'Britain is one of the least racist countries' - Robert Tombs on CofE reparations

'Britain is one of the least racist countries' - Robert Tombs on CofE reparations | SpectatorTV

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The Church of England aims to raise more than £100m in a reparations fund to links over slavery. Historian Robert Tombs writes for the Spectator about his scepticism of reparations and the Church has made the decision based off false evidence. Alex Renton has written Blood Legacy, and defends the Church's reparations fund. Kate Andrews speak to Robert Tombs and Alex Renton on Spectator TV.
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@Draugh39 Ай бұрын

Nobody should pay reparations for acts done 300 years ago.

@FC-PeakVersatility Ай бұрын

But the claim is that they're talking about recent history not ancient

@Siddhartha02 Ай бұрын

Stop gaslighting your viewers into thinking of this as a question that is in any way valid and that we should waste our time on. The question should be, "What should we do with the anti-white racist that try to push for reparations and white guilt?".

@FiveLiver Ай бұрын

Exactly.

@shelleyscloud3651 Ай бұрын

Ok Alex, you benefited, you should personally cash out then. There’s no justification as to why the rest of us should bankroll your familial guilt.

@silviariver718 Ай бұрын

Today, nobody is responsible for acts that happened 300+ years ago. What a load of nonsense 😵‍💫

@robbiatbarracks Ай бұрын

What a farcical joke

@khankrum1 Ай бұрын

Are the African nations that also kept slaves, and sold slaves going to pay reparations. I am comfused as to who is going the revirve them!

@ktsf81 Ай бұрын

The whole situation makes the CofE look ridiculous.

@James_Rivett Ай бұрын

and they beg money to repair the church roof or repair the organ! Giving reparations of acts that happened over 200 years ago is just idiotic.

@janelowe524 Ай бұрын

@lesleymanchester7149 Ай бұрын

No reparations should be paid. Nobody here was around when it happened. Use that money for the homeless people or the pot holes in this country

@Floortile Ай бұрын

As churchwarden of a rural church, I find the ‘optics’ of this appalling for those who struggle today (not yesterday) to take the mission of the church forward and, yes, to preserve, conserve and interpret its glorious built heritage for future generations, of whatever ethnicity, to enjoy. Paying out vast sums to people who have not themselves suffered a wrong really does grate.

@georgesdelatour Ай бұрын

I don't know if you know Robert Conquest's Three Laws of Politics. The Third Law definitely applies to the C of E: "The simplest way to explain the behaviour of any bureaucratic organisation is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies."

@lindaa9778 Ай бұрын

It's ridiculous to pay reparations today especially since Britain spent so much money already to stop the slave trade . But since the Africans themselves provided the slaves for the Europeans then it becomes senseless . Not all black people in America or Britain are descended from slaves either . And could we all remember that the majority of people in Britain had absolutely nothing to do with the slave trade , they worked in dreadful conditions themselves , perhaps even worse than slaves in some cases . Why should we pay for what a handful of rich elite businessmen did back in those days ? Most people in Britain came from poor or destitute backgrounds back then , at best working class and so we should not feel guilty nor obligated to pay anything . And let's not forget the millions that we give to African nations in foreign aid every year for many many years now . And for that idiot Mr Renton that does not know what several means , it means any amount more than two , so don't reprimand someone when you obviously don't know what several means . Mr Tombs was correct to use the word several in this instance .

@paranormalchannelx1307 Ай бұрын

THEY WANT TO SPRND IT ON BUSINESS SETUPS .... IM SICK OF THIS SCAM

@sauermaischeyahoo7834 Ай бұрын

Many of the descendants of the slaves who were transported across the Atlantic have grown up in the UK or the USA rather than in Sierra Leone, Equatorial Guinea or the Congo. They are better off as a result. If the Church of England was involved in taking slaves across the Atlantic, then those descendants should be paying the Church of England for having been involved in delivering them from life in sub-Saharan Africa.

@ashlibabbittcroakedit9108 Ай бұрын

How arecthey better off ?

@nsturgeon7145 Ай бұрын

Out of interest, what are the ongoing consequences?

@RufusToots420 Ай бұрын

Better lives in the places they now live compared to the ones who stayed behind!

@annemarieforprimeminister8020 Ай бұрын

@@RufusToots420 Yes blacks in the West are better of than they would be in Africa - maybe they need to go there and learn it first hand?

@nsturgeon7145 Ай бұрын

@@RufusToots420 what absolutely lame comment, wherever you are there are good and bad places - it's what you do with your life. Even Bernice Grant, said "he wouldn't have achieved anything if it hadn't been for Britain.

@JohnHarmer Ай бұрын

Alex Renton has an odious way of talking. It does remind me of that tone of voice that vicars and bishops use, where they are so pleased to be voicing what they see as the virtuous point of view.

@Bard_Land Ай бұрын

Unfortunately Mr Renton appears to feel personal guilt about the wealth his family built-up through slavery, but then wishes the rest of us to pay for his guilt. Mr Tombs is right to question both the validity of reparations for long distant crimes and the right of people such as the church commissioners (advised by Mr Renton) to give away money in this way that isn't their personal property.

@johnbeal1405 Ай бұрын

My Ag Lab ancestors certainly did not benefit from the Slave Trade (in fact they were in reality 'slaves' themselves). Perhaps those whose ancestors did benefit should pay reparations (if any are paid) not those of us whose ancestors lived in poverty.

@abumohandes4487 Ай бұрын

All religions should start paying their fair dues. Property tax, VAT, etc etc.

@tonywilson9950 Ай бұрын

With slavery being still rampant in Africa by the descendants of those who sold us the slaves.

@stephenwaters7105 Ай бұрын

Reparations for what, something somebody did over 200 years ago! There is nobody alive that has suffered at the hands of another to pay reparations to in this example. However, if we are talking about the 1.6 million people currently enslaved in Nigeria for example, I'd be happy for Nigerian slave owners to pay reparations for that!

@dianabower3960 Ай бұрын

No, they shouldn't. Why would they, there's British people in this country are in more nee.

@goa9034 Ай бұрын

Let me save your time: NO ZERO reparations

@paranormalchannelx1307 Ай бұрын

REPERATIONS for something they dodnt go through TRAITORS

@ReekieReels Ай бұрын

The cost of reparations would be borne by the treasury, why should the British people; the majority of whom are descended from single plot farmers, miners, and mill workers pay a penny!? These were people who worked 12-16 hours a day, 6 days a week, had very few rights, and couldn't even vote. The Empire was a middle class project. If the middle class want to self-flagellate, let them do so at their own expense.

@user-qo2in5si5s Ай бұрын

Absolutely not Welby should take a history lesson then afterwards go seek mental health help

@RufusToots420 Ай бұрын

If they are it should be to Ireland, but I don't think they should pay anyone anything.

@georgesdelatour Ай бұрын

The problem is, the Irish example disproves the point they want to make. 800 years of English/British domination, some of it very brutal. Yet today Ireland has a higher GDP per capita than the UK.

@RufusToots420 Ай бұрын

@@georgesdelatour exactly and the worst affected area dead... Actually all of them at this stage given it wag so long ago 😂 (well that's in reference to the famine and not the troubles)

@georgesdelatour Ай бұрын

@@RufusToots420 After the famine, British governments did - belatedly - redistribute land in Ireland. The Wyndham Act bought out the landlords to create a class of owner-occupiers. Today, only 4% of Irish people work on the land, so land is now basically a non-issue. Proportionately more of the Irish have professional qualifications than Brits, and that’s one reason among many why Ireland today has a higher GDP per capita than the UK. I can’t help feeling that there are local factors why some societies rapidly overcome their previous disadvantages while others don’t. 1) In 1950 South Korea was an ex-Japanese colony devastated by war. It was poorer than India. Yet within 40 years it had become a rich “first world” country. 2) In the early 1970s, while still a British colony, Hong Kong’s GDP per capita overtook that of the UK; partly because the smartest business minds of Shanghai mostly migrated there after Mao won the Civil War, and partly because of the pro-business policies of Sir John Cowperthwaite. 3) Many of the super-rich in South East Asia are the descendants of Chinese indentured labourers. The rich Asians expelled from Uganda by Idi Amin were also descended from indentured labourers. 4) One of the most disgraceful “end of empire” episodes was the brutal British response to the Kenyan Mau Mau attacks. Yet, by African standards, post-independence Kenya has been a success. I think this is largely down to the sober post-independence policies of Kenyatta. The contrast with Robert Mugabe’s governance of Zimbabwe is striking.

@James_Rivett Ай бұрын

don't encourage them. Next thing is they will want the English to pay for the murderous rampage by Cromwell.

@alancadwallender Ай бұрын

It is nauseating to see the UK continually self-flagellating.

@vaughanellis7866 Ай бұрын

No the Church of England should not be paying "Reparations". The Church of England as an organisation did not exist back as it does now, then and the funds that the church has it holds in trust

@chrisvoiceactingvoiceover1431 Ай бұрын

21:40 YES! 👏🏽

@carlbyronrodgers Ай бұрын

No!

@FC-PeakVersatility Ай бұрын

Should they? No definitely not.

@shelleyscloud3651 Ай бұрын

The statement that accompanied the announcement was pure apostasy.

@mariannerobertson6877 Ай бұрын

I was -171 in 1800. I was not there, I am not responsible, I am not guilty. What a fallen world where people claim wrongs they did not commit and make excuses for wrongs they did. Anyway, these bogus reparation actions do not meet any criteria - causation, remoteness, contributory negligence, reparations already paid, quantifiable loss etc.

@martinstevens2925 Ай бұрын

Anyone with left wing ideology should never never have their hands on power period 😮😮😮😮😮✝️✝️✝️✝️🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿✊

@reginaldgraves1684 Ай бұрын

At least one person who considers that he should contribute has shown himself. Indeed, contributions should be voluntary, good on him but count me out.

@dreadfulspiller8766 Ай бұрын

No reparations for the highland clearances or for the engineered Irish potato famine?

@dreadfulspiller8766 Ай бұрын

@@dogbreaththe3rd851 Why not?

@sylviaemberton6489 Ай бұрын

If you feel guilty for your enrishment I expect you to make good. Instead you try to dilute your family involvement and push the responsibility elsewhere to a mysterious other. Your family no doubt treated their own staff in this country as lesser subservient people. Give them reparation. Pay more tax.

@James_Rivett Ай бұрын

To pay reparations to ancestors of the slave trade today is much the same as holding a person accountable for a crime that one of their ancestors carried out hundreds of years ago. You do not punish the innocent of today for the crimes of the guilty in times past!

@ianshearer6813 Ай бұрын

Firstly, how many British people actually directly benefitted from the slave trade? I’m guessing that it was a fraction of a percent of the population. The 99+ percent that didn’t participate shouldn’t be held accountable for the actions of the few! Secondly, who is left alive that benefitted or suffered from these actions? Spend the money on people who are suffering today, regardless of race!

@marc21091 Ай бұрын

(1) African countries almost all have lower incomes per head than Caribbean islands. (2) The French Caribbean islands are constitutionally part of France and half of the Dutch-speaking Caribbean islands remain linked to the Netherlands constitutionally. Reparations can't be paid by a state to itself.

@michaelpcoffee Ай бұрын

Reparations is actual proven victims being compensated by their actual violators. I don't know of anybody who opposes that.

@andrewwhite3793 Ай бұрын

Norway has one of the biggest sovereign wealth funds . So does that mean I should get reparations for the Vikings invading Scotland. Why do we even have these discussions. ? Ukraine / Russia yes but this.

@IbnBahtuta Ай бұрын

The land of the four million quislings. rofl

@asnowman8094 Ай бұрын

Sorry... I'm much more concerned with the ongoing attempt at the colonisation of the UK and Europe....

@starworld7343 Ай бұрын

Wow!!! 1834 is a time frame you want to account for? What a pretentious man!!!

@duckndive. Ай бұрын

No it will fall to tax payers.

@thomasbentele2468 Ай бұрын

What about the jews.

@lectorintellegat Ай бұрын

The cofe reparations grifter says he had a better education than Robert - you wouldn’t know. Peak midwittery. The smugness of the man is outstanding. “ERM acTuAllaAsHY it’s not 2o0 yEaRS ago” - oh so, 190 years then. Or more than 200 years if you regard 1807 (rightly) as the moment when Britain reckoned with the slave trade, even if it couldn’t ban every practice at once. At the end of the day - why should someone in Jamaica benefit from MY parish funds?