British Battleships

British Battleships are available to discuss, I share my thoughts on all the main line battleships. The line feels very unified in their design, I've had a lot of fun playing through all of the ships. Hope you have a wonderful day and I'll catch you next time!
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[@Sebastien_Senet-Larson]

"Soft" and "Fleshy" and "Deep Inside" resumes the British Battleships perfectly...

[@daz0705]

Did you notice the amount of shell's and torpedo's about to hit the Hippier at 16-00, really funny,

[@shan-kw5zl]

The UK BB's are just peachy. Literally. Soft outside, like a peach, then a tough core inside!

[@dmathiass]

I think that my country, Brazil, purchased two Dreadnaught Class battleships, the Minas Geraes and the São paulo, that is the same as the tier III Belerophon. I would be pleased with they put a premium ship of the Minas Geraes that served up to 1957.

[@Ushio01]

South America line will eventually happen but it's all tier 3-5 at best so not a priority especially with how few SA players there are.

[@clikzip]

Im excited to start them! Thanks for the down the line.

[@frin4053]

Nice and fresh, ol' boy. I look forward to both sailing and sinking these beasts.

[@straswa]

Nice vid Notser, hopefully a Revenge class BB will be added as premium someday. Also hoping for Renown/Repulse.

[@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X]

Finally! But the game is too much of a grind for what it is, I stopped playing a while ago.

[@tomcmburns]

Its too bad that the real ships end at Tier 7 (minus the Nelson). I always prefer playing those as opposed to the paper ships as they have real history/career behind them.

[@straswa]

Agreed.

[@paranoidrodent]

They added the Vanguard (last ever battleship to enter service - 1946, although she started her sea trials in 1944) as a premium T8. The Lion was at least a real design (just got cancelled once it was obvious BBs weren't the future). I'll take cancelled designs over pure conjecture.

[@lordredlead2336]

@@paranoidrodent funny console we get vanguard in the tech tree also vanguard is not the last battleship put in service is the last one laid down the last battleship to put into service is Jean Bart in 1949

[@paranoidrodent]

@@lordredlead2336 You are correct! I was sloppy in my wording. The Jean Bart was active in WW2 out of necessity but she wasn't fully completed (I think she had a single turret) and put into service as a finished battleship until after the war.

[@renown6386]

Thy should add HMS Dreadnought .

[@Canucklehead21]

they did

[@toenailmuncher0772]

Yeah

[@toenailmuncher0772]

That's the O.G battleship.or should I say dreadnought?

[@dragonemperor794]

which one battleship line do you recommend the french one or this one? sorry for my bad English :)

[@loreINzo]

Pls slow down a bit when showing the ship in the port

[@cultofpersonality2002]

no

[@jackanderson313]

yes

[@mattwalden4020]

When are you going to do the French BB version of this Video?

[@quazarKiragon]

the QEs gun turret turn is the same as the warspite before it got the buff

[@baldwintheleper]

Notser what do you feel about Conqueror having 7.2k alpha HE damage, with 48% fire chance and 100+mm of penetration on the 419s?

[@Notser]

419s overperform and 457 underperform, if the ship just used 457 guns it would be the weakest tier 10 battleship

[@patrick52385]

What music is he using when he goes over the Conqueror (while in port)??

[@karmsnigguh]

can't watch this without feeling sick. what were you thinking?

[@johnhargreaves3620]

The Nelson class of ship (Rodney) is the only battleship ever to torpedo another battleship (Bismark); these were tubes fitted below the waterline. Is it not ironic but understandable (for over power reasons) that Nelson does not have torpedoes. They were rather large fish which inspired the IJN to design the long lance torpedo (which was slightly smaller and carried less damage capability.

[@TomsonPRD]

Hoping to see the Italian Regia Marina as the next BB Tech Tree instead of the French one, the guys at WG just can't swap the order again, it would be so, uh, weird and historically offensive.

[@is3t]

TomsonPRoDuctions Yeah, Regia Marina was the fourth largest navy in ww2!

[@Wanderer628]

TomsonPRoDuctions The fact that the biggest and best navy at the time are only just getting fleshed out now is what is really offensive.

[@yoyohehe2034]

Is3t ITA It wasn't fourth for sure

[@lordredlead2336]

Bunion console the game gets released with British American and Japanese and only year later the Russians we still don't have the Italian still tho also the French had a couple BB's the famous Richelieu class as the latest ones

[@henriqueduarte9774]

If I go full broad sight with... imagine the monarch, I will receive less damage, if I will go with the north Carolina (same tier )? Right?

[@shempstoogie09]

i have an upgrade that allows the damage control to run 40% longer would that be a good choose for the British bb's? since you said British damage control is not that good.

[@Notser]

I don't know, I'd say it would just push back your damage control cooldown further from starting back up. It is more important to get the fires/floods out and start that cooldown to use it again in 80 seconds

[@FunnyBricks]

Jason Tapia Use it on the Warspite, lol. That 2 secs could help you.

[@73chewie]

Notser you are my farvorit wows streamer cheers from denmark

[@emilioeguia4777]

I cant wait

[@1mol831]

I citadeled the iron duke 3 times with a nagato

[@storozhevoignevni2432]

257 DPS is not "average", RN BBs have very good mid-range AA protection but you need range upgrades to make it very useful

[@storozhevoignevni2432]

and you come to the Lion that has 463 DPS, that is simply NOT average, that shreads planes like its nothing, but 3.5km is normally a bit late so I think speccing AFT is very worth on this ships

[@Notser]

+StorozhevoiGnevni If I need to upgrade something to be useful that would be average. The modules work against British AA builds, you sacrifice too much versus American AA builds. Just use American BBs if you want AA protection

[@storozhevoignevni2432]

Notser You need to build in full AA USN to get the DPS numbers Conqueror or Lion gets on mid-range, Montana gets 325 DPS cca. on the mid range while Conqueror gets more than 500... building into AFT makes it incredibly strong, definietly not average, especially on T9 and T10, but as much as I see all tiers have very strong mid-range but the range on it is average/low. Iron Duke gets over 100 DPS while something that is considered strong AA ship in T7-Gneiseinau has bit over 100 DPS. AA on RN BBs are absolute no fly-zone with bit of building into it

[@storozhevoignevni2432]

And you need to switch imo from Fire prevention which in high tiers isn't big of a deal since your concealment can make you disengage from the fight very fast

[@Notser]

+StorozhevoiGnevni One build is apart of the normal build while the other requires you make tons of sacrifices. What is so hard about this?

[@ringowunderlich2241]

Are the shown numbers related to the stock ships or the fully upgraded ships?

[@Notser]

Upgraded through a normal build

Confusing.

[@Notser]

eh, I figured everyone would go concealment and I also did state it in the video.

[@aurelian3268]

can the KGV be played like the scharnhorst? and will it be worth it to skip directly to the t6?

[@Ushio01]

Sounds that way with a 24 second reload and shells that rarely overpen cruisers.

[@milanmilacic9311]

Who would win Hood and King George or Bismark and Prinz Eugen

[@timmy3822]

Monarchs concealment is total bull. Even if I go full stealth on my Hipper/Prinz Eugen it can only get to 11.3km or something like that, it's utterly ridiculous that something the size of a BB can outspot a cruiser... just ludicrous. Tier VIII CA/CL have a hard enough time getting one shot by BB guns as it is without getting ambushed by the f**king things. That needs nerfing even if it just gives the KM CA's a few hundred metres advantage. It's about as stupid as a CA outspotting a DD... which is very stupid.

[@FunnyBricks]

Drunken_Jedi agree

[@JojoTheMongol]

There is hardly any point to the Hipper/Prinz. Other CAs at tier 8 can do their job better and you are almost always up tiered.

[@timmy3822]

That point is mute however, since it someone wants to progress to the Roon and Hindenburg their only option is to play the Hipper for quite a period of time. Also the class is good, it's AP is utterly devastating when used correctly and her buffed bow armour will bounce all 15" shells fired at her. The Eugen in particular is great at charging bow on since she has god like torpedo angles in comparison to her tech tree counter part. Being up tiered is an issue for all tier VIII ships, including DD's given there is a much higher incidence of radar and german hydro at tier X. You try playing a Harekaze with only 13.3k HP against Moskvas and Minotaurs... it doesn't end well I can tell you that.

[@NavaNix]

British BB broke the game a BB should have better concealment than ships smaller then them selves battleships are some of the largest ships in any fleet yet to have a better concealment then CA´s thats just bull i know its a game but let´s put in a little reality as larger tings are easier to spot at range than smaller things you cant fight a monarch with a cruiser but at range you at least have a chance and that`s all i want a chance to win a fight take the chance away why even fight its like playing a lottery there is a chance you might win so you play but if there was 0 chance of winning you would have to be monumentally stupid to play that game and im seriously considering playing nothing but DD´s now just because of British BB´s

[@thomastwohey]

Shall I save my free xp to get Nelson or use it to get to tier 8 monarch instead? :)

[@colinfarris4951]

Yes

[@gamesghost2670]

Dude get nelson

[@Elgar7022]

*shrug* I saved my free exp and I'm going for Conqueror day one.

[@DuduDruidDotCom]

I know british BBs are pretty hot right now, but will you do the down the line for German DDs soon?

[@Notser]

Yes

[@DuduDruidDotCom]

Awesome! I really want to give them a shot, but I would like to hear your opinion on them!

[@user-dg7mm7nj5h]

i would like to try T9orT8

[@person_1473]

The British battleships are powerful and nice to look at

[@YorkieKDS]

I would take a reduction in the heal just to have more WD40 on these turrets. .. Can't believe no one mentions the traverse they have.

[@wanderingbread8770]

You cannot kill what does not live!

[@Viper5delta]

*527 midrange DPS base* Average he says :P

[@deepdarksecrets8053]

On xbox the Orion is tier 3 and Vanguard is tier 7.

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

You say these ships are hard to citadel, but my Yamato doesn't have any trouble at all. ^_^

[@toenailmuncher0772]

Well 18 inch is a bit bigger than what you can armour our ship to protect it without being super slow :-P

[@kikilogistics]

why dont u use HE shell?? percent set fire of bb UK is higher than other bb. i played bb UK until t8 monarch. but i think bb UK use P shell so bad when she snipes

[@tommeakin1732]

So they take more damage than US BB's? How is that possible? Like tier 8 onwards they're better armoured than the US

[@jantosch3298]

Do you think the conqueror is OP in its current state?

[@Notser]

419 yes, 457 is horrible

[@amandafranks5108]

Fun Fact the Lion was a real class of ship that was built and 2 of its class were made but never saw action. However Wikipedia thinks it was somehow only ever in plans???

[@arthurblackburn5851]

Amanda Franks the lion class was never built but one of the laid down hulls were turned into hms vanguard

[@bluestorm3628]

So are the battleship bad or dissent at lest

[@septikthescrub9290]

Help I have a problem with wows test server during the updating it said something with the data obtained from the update service is incorrect the application can not continue for detail see log file?!

[@Notser]

hmm, I don't know enough to help :(

[@septikthescrub9290]

NO WORRIES!

[@septikthescrub9290]

NO WORRIES!

[@SouthendLad600]

Hey Notser... Whens the release date?

[@Notser]

Probably 6.10, they usually only give CCs access when it will be launched next patch

[@General_Cartman_Lee]

Most likely in two weeks, the missions to get the blueprints are ending then and WG normally releases a patch every three weeks and we got 0.6.9 one week ago.

[@thegreenbean6777]

It wont be, look on the portal

[@jaydeyvanmourik5240]

Bellerophon looks hot.

[@kaplislemesis4789]

it is awful, I hope Orion is not as bad.

[@EiriUesugiKun]

**edit** this comment came out wrong. :D What I tried to say was that _my_ preference is to use the speed flag only on botes that go 30+ knots to get more out of them. :) **end-of-edit** Yes, spend a speed flag that gives 5% more speed to a slow bote.. I rather push a fast bote to be even faster with the flag than 20kn ship to go 21kn.. :P

[@ubaidaffan3510]

i just wonder why the tier VIII UK battleship is Monarch, why not HMS Vanguard same size with bismarck, and same ammount of 381mm gun

[@jamesmckenzie9551]

Ubaid Affan being a "one off" it will become a tier 8 premium.

[@haza4565]

Im not really sure what you are on about when talking about the Queen Elizabeth about having very average AA and that it doesn't comes close to the American line, when it actually has better AA than the New Mexico.

[@GeneralKingPlayz_YT1609]

So what’s that mean the queen Elizabeth is a tier 67 Star Wars bright is a premium tier 6

[@sc3639]

don't rotate so fast!

[@tommypriyambodo2878]

just got canceror yesterday an damn i like to burn bbs..,especially bbs that repair 1 fire :v

[@Ushio01]

High tier battleship gameplay is all about the big guns when so few where actually commisioned. Battleships with over 360mm guns that where commissioned by country. France - 2 Italy - 3 Germany - 4 Japan - 4 USA - 13 UK - 16 (not including the 3 large light cruisers of the Courageous class) And even with that UK has fictional ships for tier 8-10. Damn Japan and the Yamato for screwing up the tiers with it's ridiculous 18.1 inch guns

[@lnlraven079]

At least they didn't put in the Yamato's big brother with its 6 [3*2] 20.3 inch guns, then they could shoot across the map and hit you. I am actually surprised they haven't put in that ship as a Premium yet. Or the sister ship to the Yamato, which has the same 18.1 in guns, but it swaps out the 6 in guns for the Yamato with the ones taken from the Mogami when it was upgraded [the Musashi has this general build now] however they would replace the 5 inch guns with many more 100mm [the same guns from the Akizuki] with more AA guns.

[@ax2bxc]

They were proposed, but never built. These designs are real, just not materialized.

[@bullreeves1109]

7:05 Really then why dose it's AA Make New Mexico"s AA look bad

[@Notser]

Does it? Like sure personal AA is good but ranges are terrible and you can't really increase them for free like the New Mexico. I guess if the enemy only attacks you all the time it feels good

[@bullreeves1109]

True. But while that is true it dose have a 50AA Rating instead of the 43 on New Mexico, Though I haven't used it so it may be like the Kongo where it jade a higher rating then it's worth

[@juventus7131]

I'm high as hell and it's tripping me the fuck out with these spinning ships

[@Notser]

lol :D

[@Ushio01]

HMS Monarch has taken away the single unique aspect of the last Italian BB's sigh.

[@hihi-fi8by]

Ffs i have no idea what to commander build for the uk bb

[@Notser]

Neither do I at this point

[@venataciamoon2789]

hi hi. That's why you should play them and level up your captain as you go. That way you learn what skills are needed. Wouldn't life be boring if you can see the future all the time.

[@roccaraso1771]

How do British bb do against ap bombs, I mean are they like the Germans (as soon as you see ap bombs expect to get rekt) or it like murica bb, as soon as you see ap bombs you start laughing and blind shooting aa and suddenly everything that flies transforms in a ball of fire, even seagulls

[@Notser]

I haven't fought any AP bombs yet, I assume they will be weak to it if it can break through their personal AA defense

[@pocketfox743]

Hi Notser :3

[@Matuuuuuuuuu]

Please continue the down the line series

[@Notser]

Will do!

[@Matuuuuuuuuu]

Notser nice, continue the great work, greetings from Argentina

[@Notser]

+Matu Puyol Hope Argentina is treating you well!

[@hihi-fi8by]

Is secondary build good

[@Notser]

No, tried it and it is crap

[@hihi-fi8by]

Notser ok ty for reply

[@timmy3822]

I honestly think a tank build is going to be the way to go, if you have Jack Dunkirk he will be invaluable with better consumable CD and enhanced turret traverse. Skills like Priority Target, Preventative Maintenance, Super Intendant and Concealment Expert will be your bread and butter. Fire prevention will be useful against the HE spam with paper deck armour.

[@dogthatlooksattaxevaders6325]

british bb memes incoming *YOU CAN'T SEE ME MY TIME IS NOW*

[@LightSpoon]

What about hood

[@FlightTheatreAlberto]

Days a battle cruiser in reallife anyways

[@porschefgaming624]

Forgot Nelson

[@HMSHyde02]

I bring to you ANTI-Destroyer

[@1kchannel967]

American Aircraft Carrier please

[@imglidinhere]

Avg dps for the tier 10... really? Nearly 600 DAMAGE PER SECOND at 3.5km and that's AVERAGE!? LOL? That's not even specced for an AA-build... that's nuts!

[@franz_stigler]

the americans are the AA ships

[@lucasemanuel7044]

Why they dont Bring the H-44 ?!!!?

[@franz_stigler]

because no guns can be over 18 inches and the H44 has 20 inch guns

[@Elfig2011]

Franz_Stigler Stupid file, why not 20inch? There are so many paper ships that's ok, but NO 20inch because it's 'forbidden'?

[@Zero01k]

Peter Stop, think of all the Hotel players and their feelings, they are very special creatures and only they can have a lolpen bote

[@top10statuesthatcriedblood]

ey NO value of 457mm now then?

[@Notser]

Not right now, 419 is just better in every way

[@owo5869]

im 38

[@lovelyfloorcoverings]

It's taken WG'ing so long to do this and honestly I'm not impressed

[@nachtheil2829]

When will they get in wows blitz

[@arthurblackburn5851]

Did you expect A name soon!

[@dimitri1750]

Where’s da hood

[@lucasdiaz1460]

King George V is the best

[@lucian8351]

And you forgot the nelson.

[@ravissary79]

2 fast 4 u m8 it's not in the line anymore.

[@lucian8351]

ravissary79 But he covers premiums as well in down the line

[@Notser]

I didn't want to cover premiums for this down the line

[@lucian8351]

Notser OK

[@NavaNix]

British BB broke the game a BB should have better concealment than ships smaller then them selves battleships are some of the largest ships in any fleet yet to have a better concealment then CA´s thats just bull i know its a game but let´s put in a little reality as larger tings are easier to spot at range than smaller things you cant fight a monarch with a cruiser but at range you at least have a chance and that`s all i want a chance to win a fight take the chance away why even fight its like playing a lottery there is a chance you might win so you play but if there was 0 chance of winning you would have to be monumentally stupid to play that game keep this up and all you will have is BB`s DD`s and a few CV. no CA`s

[@beejebes1856]

I'm confused how's the last battleship built fictional I know monarch was proposed as KGV design so not exactly fictional conquer on the other hand is fictional sooooo only 1 is dam fake

[@phantomecho674]

Actually if you look up Hms Vanguard battleship built at the end of world War 2 Her and Conquerer share the exact same hull you can say Conquerer is an upgraded Vanguard.

[@beejebes1856]

arturo zaragoza okay thank you but I'm confused by the calling them fake then I mean you want fake look at the last 2 german BB'S neither of which resembles proposed h class BB that I've found so I'm a little lost

[@phantomecho674]

Brian Gardner Ah I see.

[@beejebes1856]

arturo zaragoza yea now if we had like I believe it was the n class battleship okay yea only ever blue printed so calling it fake would make sense but if memory serves the monarch is kgv just different guns and turrets then lion was the competition to vanguard to which the lion was basically monarch on again a improved KGV hull and if conquer and vanguard are dam near identical kinda hard to call em fake that's like saying the south Dakota and North Carolina weren't testbeds for the Iowa class on how to make a perfect BB.

[@phantomecho674]

Brian Gardner I agree I wish Monarch would be replaced with Vanguard at least.

[@Dast_gan]

English sailors are worthy of respect. England is a great sea power. I'm from Russia.

[@YARROWS9]

It's Britain Sir. England,Scotland,Wales and Ireland.

[@hopeyouaredoingwell4705]

Child:mr notser Notser:yes Child:how many ap shells does it take to get to the center of a british battleship Notser:try stabbing a 5 month old baguette with a fork

[@lucasemanuel7044]

And the Hood and Warspite !!??

[@franz_stigler]

already in the game

[@lanslater]

QI

[@FC_xEdits]

wear is te hood +++

[@Gamer-gv7xn]

Hood is a premium tier 7.

[@johnop14]

T8+ American battleships look better

[@isd_chimaera8335]

cool I'm first today

[@arnepietruszewski9255]

Notser the Con thingy has a better Camo than most Cruisers, at least than the german, russian and french line. At least it will have cause the Cruisers need to spec for movement rather than camo cause most Cruisers are better off with that cause you are an equal to a BB target in size so that only mobility will save your not so well armoured ass from incoming fire. The next powercreep to cruisers is incoming, why dont wg simply patch the cruisers out of the game with DD so that BB can play uninterrupted? BB need to be nerfed into the ground, a playstyle as a damagesponge just like the typical tank in RPG's is what i imagine. Therefore WG should remove 50% of ROF, increase Surviability by lowering the cooldown of heal and repair, and decrease range and precision, so that BB will only be viable in CC supporting the DD in capping and providing the enemy with a target to shoot at.

[@hyennavernhyavonragnarok3999]

Bri'ish ba''leship like the 'hunderer or the warspi'e

[@lanslater]

the QE!? OMG lay down and avoid I mean skip it its no fun so fkn slooooow

[@Ayowtfman586]

first comment

[@nicholasstewart8918]

Why are you wasting your time with 457mm

[@sufferingboutlife]

Nicholas Stewart Because he has to test them genius -.-

[@Notser]

+Nicholas Stewart lol, it is my job to waste time testing to inform the community. If I cared solely about competitive I'd only play a handful of ships. Doubt that would be fun to watch and definitively horrible to create.

[@scousersuk]

Don't worry notser it is probably one of flamus fan boys who seem to hate you and actively seek to ridicule and laugh at you for some stupid reason because....internet I saw some of them in a recent stream being idiots because you mentioned testing IFHE on the RN BBs so you know yeah....

[@HerrRoehrich]

As compared to you, a Notser fanboy, hating Flamu? Pot, meet kettle. :p We all know there's no love lost between these two, but the mutual disdain of their partisan fanboys is beyond pathetic. I enjoy watching both Flamu *and* Notser - Flamu for the sheer competitive skill and in depth insight into each ship and its optimal build, and Notser because he's just an overall decent human being by the looks of it, even if he goofs around more - that makes him more relatable to me.

[@mahdiajalil]

useless BB line!

[@Elgar7022]

Lol the T9 ant T10 are actually pretty OP right now.

[@BHuang92]

I HATE playing British BBs. So-called-accuracy at long-range is total BS. AP is a joke, stupidity to rely on HE, weak armor and slow af! I HATE BBs in general, next to heavy cruisers and carriers, but the British I say are the worst!