Britney Spears Conservatorship Hearing - Therapist Reacts

[@leavecowsalone]

When Britney is bringing up Miley, I think she is referring to the fact that the younger generation of pap stars can do “controversial” things and still maintain their autonomy, not be punished for it, or even face consequences in the media, whereas when Britney was at Miley’s age/state of fame NONE of those things were true, and she is still being punished for things that she said or did that were controversial many years ago. That is why she follows it up with “I work so hard to be so good and so pretty”. She is trying to communicate that there is a double standard and that she has been punished with the conservatorship that she is currently in for behaviors that her younger contemporaries do freely without hesitation or consequence.

[@xxxmochibaby]

You nailed it and it’s so chilling when it’s put into perspective like this :(

[@goldbiscuit2708]

I think she could have also brought up Miley because they both had the same manager at one point (I don’t think they do anymore but I’m not 100%) and Britney didn’t agree with his lack of punishment toward Miley when she did something “bad”

[@leavecowsalone]

@@goldbiscuit2708 I really doubt Britney wishes Miley was punished, I think she is only trying to highlight the fact that she, herself, is punished. And tbh the fact that they shared a manager for years only exaggerates the outrageous the double standard IS for punishing Britney.

[@goldbiscuit2708]

@@leavecowsalone oh no i didn’t mean for it to sound like she wanted Miley punished sorry. Britney seems like such a sweetheart, I’ve never heard her say anything bad really about anyone. I completely agree with your reply - that’s what I was trying to say but didn’t convey it well enough.

[@ashsdr]

she brought up Miley because they had once had the same manager, but Miley has since fired him

[@missalpaca6116]

even if she has bipolar, this situation is clearly abusive

[@ebrena1876]

exactly she's 39 and still under her dad's control. Many people are bi-polar and have a life. Not sure if she has her kids with her or they are with their dad.

[@onlinecomment]

Why do you assume she has the most popular disease “bipolar”. She showed signs of schizophrenia very early on in her career. She has mental age of a 15yo girl.

[@Sarablueunicorn]

@@onlinecomment Let's just say she was never allowed to grow. Schizophrenia doesn't stunt one's mental or emotional age, trauma does. This doesn't make any sense at all for any kind of mental illness. She can work more than full time, handle the stress of world tours, tv shows but she has less rights than a child. How can a person who is treated like a child or incapacitated all her life can be totally well? Mental illness is very useful to legally contain one person's rights, that's all I have to say.

[@kjeracarroll450]

@@onlinecomment I agree

[@drockherb2073]

@@onlinecomment what early on signs did she show 🤔

[@LisaRichards_123]

If the therapist repeats everything to her father, why the hell would she want to see a therapist?

[@inesolujic2534]

Right?! Apparently HIPAA doesn't apply to this situation?!

[@NatalieMarie917]

@@inesolujic2534 it wouldn’t be considered a HIPAA violation if release forms were signed, unless the therapist was broadcasting that information to people who the therapist wasn’t granted permission to share that type of information with.

[@unknown-lf6zx]

That would be a healthcare privacy violation

[@TKthings]

@@unknown-lf6zx no because HIPAA forms list people they're allowed to disclose info to and I am sure that- in a conservatorship I am sure those release forms are signed.

[@lulunz6809]

@@unknown-lf6zx They can share if there is a risk of serious harm to another person or suicide. So if they have shared then it is clear why that has happened.

[@carter5548]

This is forced sterilization. She's 39 now and her years of fertility are nearly over. She's been forced to be on birth control for the duration of her fertility since her two kids over the last 13 years. This is a huge ethical problem. No one deserves this.

[@mostHumblePersonAlive]

@June Bug if you are forced to stay on it all of your childbearing years, yeah.

[@ellavateyourselftarotwdken7869]

@June Bug That for many years added with how old she is now yea

[@LaNoturna]

@June Bug No, being on birth control (pills, IUD, implant) will NOT make you sterile. Sterilization is a PERMANENT method of birth control, and the pill/IUD/implant is a TEMPORARY method of birth control. It won’t sterilize you. I think the point people are trying to make is that Britney’s “team” is forcing her to be on birth control until she loses her fertility due to age (she is 39, so she’s close to being infertile since only 5% of women at age 40 can get pregnant naturally).

[@LaNoturna]

@@brbsnortingcatnip I was answering the question of the first commenter that specifically asked if birth control can make you sterile. And they asked this question because the OP specifically wrote “forced sterilization.” That term is confusing people into thinking birth control pills/IUDs/implants sterilize a woman, so I clarified it does not.

[@onlinecomment]

Do you want someone with severe mental health disorders, where they need to take medication daily, bodybthat is full of chemicals - to breed? She is not capable of functioning as an independent adult because of her childlike mental development. Her body is also not in the state to reproduce healthy offspring. Whom she most likely is not capable of taking care of either. We know one side of the story. We have no idea as to what her actual issues are that she'd need conditions to keep her living a decent life.

[@TwoBitColorPencil]

For me, the main issue is how she's forced to work, even while being considered impaired enough to need such stringent controls over all aspects of her life. I think that based on that alone, the judge should make someone else her conservator because how can someone be "taken care of" if they're being forced to work every single day?

[@angelkaterose]

Exactly.

[@zeldazebstrika2127]

Yeah, being well enough for them to force her to work everyday whilst being so unwell they are essentially one step away from sterilising her against her will raises massive concerns.

[@carr0760]

Also, a couple of years ago her dad was quite sick and nearly died. She cancelled shows to care for him. If she's well enough to care for her father, why does she need him to "take care of" her?

[@thebeamli]

I don't understand either. I've worked with clients on conservatorship that worked bit if at anytime they chose not to, they had the right to.

[@katpillar4131]

This.

[@michaelapoetry]

This really feels like a chicken and egg situation - even if she does have bipolar disorder, the way it’s being managed isn’t helping her. Making an adult woman feel like she has no control over her life just feels wrong, disorder or not. Re: the Miley Cyrus comparison, it makes a lot of sense to me. Miley has done a lot of things in the public eye that aren’t “socially acceptable” and seem completely “out there”, but she still controls her own life. Not sure if Britney was thinking about Miley’s dad when she brought up that example, but Billy Ray has always been super protective and supportive of Miley, which Britney never had the luxury of experiencing.

[@rage455]

At those wild miley times around 2013 and so, miley was managed by Larry Rudolph and Adam Leber (both are also Britney's managers). Larry being the main one and part of the team that orchestrated all of this conservatorship set up with Jamie Spears and Lou Taylor, amongst many others.

[@h8a1c3]

We also have another good example in Kanye West. Nobody is controlling his life. Quite frankly, I think Britney has been victimized by our culture from childhood. Treated like a commodity. Shamed for becoming a normal sexual adult. Stalked by paparazzi. Condemnation of all kinds. And then put in this conservatorship. It's sexism. She failed to be a good little girl (even if due to mental illness) and is being handled.

[@rage455]

@@h8a1c3 definitely. Unfortunately britney didn't have any way to defend herself at the time. The media was against her, society was against her, her family was against her and she couldn't trust her team and most of her friends. just media and paparazzi made enough damage for her "wild behavior" to be used against her in court. The woman was severely judged and slut shamed by even the smallest things in a worldwide scale. Like when a paparazzo went down her skirt and took a photo of her private parts, yet she was the one that got shit for not using underwear, and people talked about that like she had committed a crime.

[@misstmemrs]

It is impossible how to say how much of her behavior were normal and temporary reactions to abuse. She has proven for thirteen years she is very able to handle herself. This game of having some idiot evaluate her and claim she was not in reality and forcing her to engage in some cockamamie four month rehab, with l.a. psychologists many of whom could easily be cluster bs projecting onto her, using her as a guinea pig with this new Blavatsky bs, and the psychologists actually unable to maintain reflective functioning, and unable to engage in a reasonable deliberation, with rigid unspoken rules. It is a new form of inquisition by therapists and lawyers who are suspect. Finland open dialogue therapy heals psychosis without drugs. The drugs seem like induced autism. There is too much secrecy. If you listen to what the lawyers and judges have said you will find that they are wildly off. They speak in distortions and fallacies regularly. It is common nonsense in courts. And can cause psychosis. It is control freakery. It is common in alcoholic families for a scapegoat to be falsely accused of being bipolar. The gaslighting is crazy making. The lawyer admitted to lying to her. There are alternative treatments. More is being learned all the time. Q96 is one option. Joan Mathews Larson. Dr Ross. Open dialogue family therapy. Evil people of the lie such as these lawyers and judges and many therapists will see a sane person as deluded. Some peoples life falls apart because they are targeted by sociopaths who smear them as stupid crazy bitches. I personally know a doctor of psychology who worked for the courts who was a diagnosed borderline. It is unknown how many psychologists are narcissistic or sociopaths. The reality is that trying to get help for dysfunctional families is very difficult. Her father is an alcoholic. What kind of insane system puts an alcoholic in charge of her? The group delusions and sick group dynamics are crazy making and can drive people crazy. The nonsense language patterns used by lawyers can cause psychosis in victims. It is word salad. And linked to victims speaking like schitzifrenics like her sister. Sheshould be in Alanon. There is zero evidence she is delusional. It is the judge and lawyer who evidence delusions. Lying. Missatunement. Callous.

[@misstmemrs]

They were testing her blood because of the lithium. She is exaggerating.

[@DaleyWhaley91]

She means “vials” she’s from Louisiana and is very upset. I’m from the south and when I’m upset I sound exactly like her. My words gets really fast and I sound more southern than usual , also messing words up. She’s been quiet for years she’s extremely nervous and was told this could be a bad idea for saying anything done to her. So id sound crazy too.

[@rabbitwho]

It's like the 1700s, instutitonalize a sane woman and then say "look, see how angry she is? Clearly we were right all along!"

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

Exactly. That’s also what I heard. Southern dialects can be tricky to people who are not used to it.

[@melsinki8]

Yeah I’m surprised at his lack of trauma- informed approach as a psychologist. If you have ptsd you tend to be quite scattered and also circumstancially she barely has this chance to cover everything so she has a lot to say. I also don’t like the way he discusses bipolar because whether or not she does, he’s implying that having bipolar would discredit her and bipolar people are always delusional. I know bipolar people who are trauma survivors, I’m not gonna go and assume they’re lying cos of mania. I think that’s extremely unethical. Also hate this misogyny bias and that he hasn’t done his research on her family. I get he’s only reacting to the links people are sending him but he’s making a lot of in my view, harmful assumptions without full context which is actually documented in court and by journalists.

[@ElevenBird]

Exactly! The Necked for Naked I was like "Hey Gurl!"

[@jamescoleman6510]

EXACTLY.

[@cynthiahunter8819]

Dr. Honda, I think you missed a potential explanation for Brittney not wanting to be evaluated again that has nothing to do with a mental health diagnosis. Most of her concerns are related to her lack of autonomy of her own body. She has been poked and prodded and in a sense ‘owned’ by the public her whole life. So not submitting to another evaluation may be her way of trying to exert some sense of control over herself and reclaim some privacy. Not to mention just being completely exhausted and traumatized by everything she’s been through and just wanting to be left alone and not picked apart or analyzed anymore. You could feel that way in this situation regardless of having bipolar or not. It wouldn’t necessarily have a relationship to a diagnosis.

[@ninanano]

She doesn’t want to get evaluated because every time she gets an evaluation the conservatorship gets worse

[@kapkone]

No wonder she doesn't want another evaluation, she has been violated so much already

[@mariepresho3653]

I totally agree with you. She wants control back

[@gregoryreid8106]

Agree, he did miss a crucial part.

[@thisisacrappyusername892]

It could definitely be this, I also wondered if it was because what she and the pro-Brittany movement are thinking the person who is evaluating could be paid off. Could also be what Dr Honda was saying, I really don't know, but I do think this comment chain also rings true

[@inesolujic2534]

If Charlie Sheen and Kanye West can walk around freely, so should Britney. Period. Britney was a judge on a reality show, she did tours and had an incredibly successful Las Vegas residency and released multiple albums during her conservatorship. If she is well enough to do all of this, she is well enough to not need a conservatorship. How can she be simultaneously so sick that she isn't even allowed to pick the color of her own kitchen cabinets (this happened, not mentioned in this testimony) but well enough to be a work horse and cash cow for dozens of leeches around her?! It's one or the other. I will always er on the side of human dignity and freedom, and Britney is being denied freedom and dignity. Ask yourself this: if she wasn't mega rich Britney Spears, would she be under a conservatorship? Nope. She absolutely would not be. That's all we need to know. This is about money.

[@delsi1204]

Exactly!

[@maggie0285]

I was listening to Howard Stern speak about this and I 100% agree with him. He says everyone's attitude towards Brittney is sexist. How is it Charlie Sheen can live a more reckless lifestyle, have control of his money and end up with HIV? I'm just shocked that this poor woman is being treated this way. If she's not a threat to herself or others then why?

[@maryblack2140]

Where can I listen to this? Is it Howard stern podcast?

[@shooklizard9039]

Because Charlie doesn't have a mental illness

[@barnacles1804]

@@shooklizard9039 Charlie does though, He also has Bipolar disorder, he came out about it in 2016.

[@caseyw.6550]

If britney had been a man, there's no way this would have happened. No way.

[@caseyw.6550]

@@shooklizard9039 You sure about that? You have access to his medical records?

[@mimittal5550]

Dr. Honda, she is nervous and speaking too fast. However, you must take into account the violation of her basic human rights by her dad and the team that he hired to control her. It is illegal to force someone to work 7days a week. It is illegal to force/stop someone to reproduce simply because the conservatorship is giving them the right to do that. Britney stated that in the past, her dad was not really present in her life. However, it baffles me to see that he is her conservator. What is her mom doing? and her siblings? The worst part is, it is her money and she is entitled to spend her money however she wants to. She had a public breakdown 13 years ago and so what? that was a long time ago... Her family is not saying much as they benefits from her being that controlled. Again, even if she is bipolar, she is entitled to live her life as she see fit.

[@Mila-Nova]

I didn't like how he talked about being bipolar like that is not a reason for her to be dismissed.

[@Mistyfaery]

Exactly. I've lived with someone who had bi polar. Do they have extreme mood swings? Do they have highs and lows? Yes and yes. But they still are in control of their actions or lack thereof. There is absolutely no reason to have a conservatorship,especially that restrictive of one, on someone with bi polar. That's completely absurd.

[@seriouslyjoking2]

@@Mistyfaery She has a dual diagnosis of Bipolar I...the worst & a drug addict. She was self-medicating her Bipolar.

[@kayceejane1740]

Exactly, and why does the sick person have to be the most well behaved And work to the bone. The conditions surrounding her would make anyone feel a bit crazy. Her father seems like a callous manipulator yet he is rewarded with full control. That is actually the sickest part!

[@prtdiva]

@@seriouslyjoking2 we don’t know if she has a drug problem. If anything, she’s on so many prescribed drugs now that I would consider what the “professionals” are giving her to be a drug problem.

[@magopal5610]

Her entire career, it has always struck me how kind and down-to-earth she has remained, despite her incredible notoriety, wealth, fame. This audio is no different. Polite, measured, despite what she's going through. She does not deserve this.

[@bashmeesh]

Agreed!!!

[@xoDianaDuong]

She always seemed super kind, genuine and charming to me.... Still got that charm. :(

[@cupcaceandchocko]

She should be free to live her life, bipolar or not. This is a grown woman who has the right to mess up her life like anybody else.

[@janedoe3648]

👏👏👏👏

[@shooklizard9039]

Yes but when you put your life or other ppls life because of a mental ilness is needed

[@caseyw.6550]

@@shooklizard9039 Every time you get behind the wheel you are putting your life and the lives of others at risk. Should we all just live in padded rooms? I'm being hyperbolic, obviously, but how do we know where to draw the line? Just seems like a slippery slope to me.

[@maggie0285]

@Silver & Cold reading your comment reminded me of Anna Nicole Smith. I think her lawyer boyfriend kept her drugged so he could have control of her. If I was Brittany I would lose it. I've been in lots of therapy and met some people not right in the head and they were free to live as they pleased. This can't go on with Brittany. She's gonna snap and try to kill herself. I would. The privilege of being an adult is to have freedom to make your own choices. If you don't have that then what do you have? Maybe there's something about Brittany we don't know? I know her medical records are confidential.

[@Orque]

I don't think Britney is free from mental health issues, but I mostly believe her. I just don't see how something that clearly causes her so much pain and discomfort is the way to help her. This conservatorship seems to absolutely prioritize keeping the business around her going on. As many people have said before, this is a disabilty rights issue.

[@goosebump801]

🙌

[@Mistyfaery]

I have a mental illness too. I've never been in a conservative ship. Something tells me if I made the kind of money Britney Spears makes I'd suddenly have some family members trying to make that happen though. 😉 even without her testimony it's soooooo obvious her family and management are full of shit. It's all about padding their pockets. She's their meal ticket.

[@rabbitwho]

Agreed, also, who is free from mental health issues?

[@xoDianaDuong]

"mental health issues" is such a vague thing these days.. but I know a lot of people automatically think that means "crazy". So many suffer from mental health problems.. be it depression or anxiety or concentration issues but they don't get enslaved and their basic human rights taken away... It's so disturbing how much revolves around money and greed and control. I would be surprised if someone who endured that much emotional, physical and psychological abuse DIDN'T end up with mental health issues especially severe anxiety and PTSD... There are people who suffer and mask it so well for so long that it would be so hard to tell for a lot of people especially those who were never subjected to that kind of abuse but there comes a point when their defence mechanisms are no longer helping them and they can't keep it up anymore and need to break free. I am so glad she got through that phase of denial (of the abuse) and has so much more self-awareness now and is trying to take control of her life back.

[@Orque]

@@rabbitwho Yeah, I know I'm not. I put it that way because we don't know her diagnosis (and english is not my first language, so i tend to mess up sorry!)

[@chelseat311]

If someone is so mentally incapacitated they they need such a stringent conservatorship, there is no way they would be capable of working. The two seem rather mutually exclusive, and it just doesn’t add up.

[@inesolujic2534]

💯

[@michRobalino]

Yeah I was thinking this!!! But what if at the time she agreed and worked 24/7 bc she was manic? But, as he said, she could now have distorted the past.... Damn I just wanna know the truth 🥺 aside from whether she is manic or not, her feelings are still valid and no one should feel like this

[@ellavateyourselftarotwdken7869]

Mmmhmmm EXACTLY THAT WHOLE THING IS MAD!!! SKETCY

[@madfairy]

and even if they use the excuse that she would benefit by doing something proactive, having a routine why the world tours? around 2016 she taught dancing lessons to little girls, why can that be her "work"? Is it because it doesn't make them money?

[@melinagomez3788]

you can have a mental disorder and be high functioning but that doesn't mean you don't have symptoms. She can work very well and still present worrisome symptoms.

[@jodjam]

The fact that this conservatorship was done because she was suffering from un-verified claims of dementia yet she was working on tv shows and music within weeks of the conservatorship coming into effect should make it null.

[@nobody8328]

This! If she's so incompetent that she can't pick her own dance moves, or be allowed to find a therapist thqt she likes better, how tf does she manage to perform and tour at the level she does? It doesn't make sense, unless there is an ulterior motive.

[@kseniyarosina2357]

I also don’t get it - if she really is so bipolar that she needs all this psychiatric care, how come she works so much? I’ve had depression for several years and besides it being debilitating in itself, it also impacts work because with time you just can’t predict. So if she does a tour they need to make sure she would be able to do this tour. How do you make these plans for a full year ahead is beyond my understanding. Also just the fact that she is working so much. Seriously, how much money one person needs to have a decent living even if they need this extensive care?

[@nicolesteele6000]

@@kseniyarosina2357 I have bipolar and im not under any supervision but I would fall apart if I had to do a tour like Britney does. I wouldnt be able to handle that amount of stress. If she needs a conservator, that much therapy, etc. It would be cruel to have her touring for all these years.

[@hanzuglam]

These dementia claims doesn't make any sense. That was the reason for the conservatorship but she still has worked her ass off for all these years. She doesn't have dementia. I'm not a doctor but I'm still 100% sure of it.

[@GenieLiz]

Thats what I can't get past. I feel this Dr is missing the very obvious point. She makes money, money corrupts ppl. He keeps talking about bipolar, but it states she has "dementia" (she doesn't I work with dementia ppl) why is he not pulling that about first. Then he gets stuck on her mis-wording of the vials v gallons of blood. The more I watch this the more this Dr makes me uncomfortable about what he is choosing to pick on.

[@TheContentofCory]

From what I got from the documentary and her testimony. It seemed like Britney suffered from Post Partum Depression from giving birth to 2 children within a year. That had her symptoms escalated with the harassment of the paparazzi. I don’t think she was bipolar. I think she had PPD with borderline symptoms from the traumatic experience with the paparazzi in 2008. I think the conservatorship was needed in the beginning for maybe a year to give her a break. But 13 years is excessive and abusive. Edit: The only reason why she willfully participated in it for so long was because they threatened her with her children and considering her breakdown. She probably felt like she had no choice.

[@MsJeanneMarie]

We really don’t have enough information to make an armchair diagnosis.

[@rage455]

The fact that she didn't take a break after the conservatorship was put in place, was aready shooting a tv show 1 month after, recording a new album, shooting music videos, doing performances around the world to promote singles and rehearsing for a world tour within a year tells a lot about the purpose of this conservatorship. They didn't want 'Britney the human' to be refreshed and well to follow her own path. They wanted 'Britney the celebrity and entity' to be restored from the bad misogynistic media, so that they could make money again.

[@greenunicorn9908]

@@rage455 yeah. If she is bipolar or going through something psychological then why didn’t they just removed her from the public persona and let her relax give her a real vacation.

[@imaginethatcake4791]

Omg I always said maybe it is ppd. I am not that good In English,never could comment normally what I wanted to say. I absolutely agree with you 👍

[@03lisajade]

💯

[@Adara007]

The conservatorship seems much more excessive than it should be and sounds like it's caused her C-PTSD. The conservatorship needs to end.

[@MsSera21]

Yeah. I feel like even if it's warranted, surely the goal isn't for the conservatee to be this miserable for as long as she's been? Couldn't they change the terms of the conservatorship so that she feels less trapped? People with mental illness or disability are so often disempowered or have their agency and dignity compromised to an extent that isn't warranted and I worry for her.

[@seriouslyjoking2]

@@MsSera21 That is what they are going to do: Review the conservatorship.

[@roygbiv9038]

@@MsSera21 it was not warranted ever in her case.

[@GabriellaLascano]

Kanye west scares me more and seems more unhinged yet he’s left to his own devices. I think she sounds terrified and full of adrenaline, I would be too.

[@TheSaiyanPrincess89]

Sexist double standards are at play, for sure.

[@kelb6073]

I totally agree! I didn't even think of that. Why is he able to do whatever he wants when he is unstable but this woman isn't allowed to live life.

[@Emmah1243]

@Lex Baker Amanda Bynes set someone's lawn on fire. It wasn't just smoking a joint. However, I definitely agree; women get put under conservatorships far too easily, while their male counterparts can do worse and the same level of behaviour and not have anyone say they should be put under conservatorship.

[@user-bd4bo4tb8u]

@Lex Baker If a woman did what Kanye has done, she’d be called hysterical, crazy, unhinged, etc.

[@maggie0285]

And not to mention Kanye tried to run for the president of the united states! Good Lord!!

[@GS-xs3we]

Even if things are on fence and you can't completely tell if someone needs a conservatorship- isn't it best to err of the side of freedom? Cmon. People should have the right to make mistakes in the life and not be the best with their finances.

[@268RG]

No. If you don't know then you don't know. You don't need to defend one thing or another.

[@cody4229]

@@268RG but the default is freedom? Freedom is literally the baseline

[@brainfluidZ]

A lot of ppl suffer with mental illness & don’t have their rights taken away. They drug her with uppers to work & downers to go to sleep. The same thing they did with Shirley Temple, Judy Garland, Rita Hayworth, etc. it’s very common in Hollywood to pay off doctors to drug these ppl up to force them to work while their conservators profit.

[@namuseraici]

@@268RG Well actually the legal system should err on the side of freedom when unsure "beyond a reasonable doubt". It's not like murder trials end with people shrugging and the defendant going to jail indefinitely.

[@annfron]

@@brainfluidZ you’re so right. I never made that connection before, but yes, even if she does need medications for mental health, as many people do, she needs to he so “up” and “on” for so many hours daily while doing shows that she is probably given something, even if it’s literally “just” caffeine, and then probably needs something to sleep after. That does a number on anyone’s system. If she is taking meds to manage any mental health challenges, that has got to mess with the efficacy and constancy of those drugs. Ugh. That is what they did to Judy Garland, and that certainly didn’t end well. Research has shown that musicians are at a higher risk for SUD and mental health disorders. People should he helping her if she is struggling not making her work to the point of exhaustion. That makes it worse as does her isolation. My heart goes out to her and hope her situation improves in the best way for her.

[@sarajhayy]

I was misdiagnosed as bipolar 9 years ago and the psychiatrist tried to recommend I be removed from university because I was failing classes…when I had only failed one test. Of course I was angry with him. Everything I said or did as a reaction to him involving himself like that in my life was blamed on me being bipolar and not wanting to take medication I didn’t need. It was later diagnosed as adhd. And the stuff that the previous doctor wrote in my medical file still comes up even when it isn’t quite right. He asked if I ever got drunk and I honestly answered “yes”. He labeled me as an alcoholic. You can’t change records even if they are wrong. I really feel for her. We don’t know everything, but it’s awful when people won’t believe you. Especially when you are actually in the right state of mind and people disregard what you say because a doctor is more believable. She obviously isn’t comfortable with her doctor/therapist. That’s scary. It’s all speculation though…I guess.

[@jke387]

This type of sht is why I was actually TERRIFIED of psychs for years!!! ..the prospect of being misdiagnosed/any little thing you say or do being pathologized

[@sarajhayy]

@@jke387 Yesss. It took me a long time to go back, but I still have trust issues with doctors :/

[@jaymiegill9506]

Dude this happened to me omg. It was ADHD and not “bipolar” like they said. It’s fucked with my head.

[@daypeanut4406]

I had been misdiagnosed since childhood. Then finally got the right treatment (cptsd), and was healing. Only to then be abused by a therapist! This shit IS scary. I nearly lost my life to an eating disorder I developed as a consequence. All I wanted to do is live, man. Instead, my life turned into the tragic lives of writers and people in their books I used to study at uni... Now I in some ways turned "crazy" -- from trauma. But you lose your leg to stand on, like you say.

[@jwhite5396]

I wonder if she’s not even bipolar. Just very stressed by the lack of healthy support from her family, manipulative management and fame. When she acted out due to frustration her father and management seen their chance to control her and her finances. Another commentator said her father isn’t allowed to see her kids. He shook the kid in anger and now has a three year restraining order protecting her kids from him. What about protecting Britney from her father?? The courts screwed this woman over. Her lawyer should be defending her and her rights. Why is she having to look things up online? Give this woman freedom.

[@zeldazebstrika2127]

You hear about so many celebrities that have been misdiagnosed with bipolar I wouldn't be surprised.

[@MsHollylove]

I totally agree

[@rociogarfias9096]

i don’t believe she is Bipolar. i think anyone would react the way she has.

[@caseyw.6550]

I often think about this. I don't know many people who wouldn't have been severely effected by what she has been through. Hell, I have no doubt she has handled everything as well or better than I would and I'm definitely not bipolar.

[@rickda8729]

I believe this, she's just an anxious person bc she deals with fame, paparazzis and stressful situations who wouldn't be anxious? she should be living her life by the fullest, I wish her the BEST life!

[@CuriousMind92]

She has been fighting consistently against her father being the conservator over a long period of time. Even if she is manic at this particular time, her overall request has stayed consistent

[@fartboxsupreme]

Great point!

[@inubakablog]

My aunt can be manic like this and has consistent targets of her hardship. It is possible it helps B to have a consistent target. Or her father is truly vile. I wish we knew.

[@jwhite5396]

@@inubakablog Her father is under a three year restraining order and can’t see his grandsons, because he shook one of them.

[@ninanano]

@@jwhite5396 he’s also a known abusive alcoholic. Even if she does need a conservatorship, I don’t understand why they would allow someone like that to be in charge of it

[@melsinki8]

@@ninanano exactly! All of this context is missing from the video and I wish he had at least done a slight bit of research to have more context.

[@MsSera21]

My question is that if she is so ill that they control her whole life to this extent, why is she working? Why is she working when she does not want to? (Well, not now, because she is refusing)

[@MsSera21]

I think the 8 ‘gallons of blood’ (vials?) was during this rehab they sent her to? Also, if you're removing someone's bodily autonomy you better have a rock solid justification, right?

[@MsSera21]

I believe that Miley and Britney have shared management in the past; Miley had period of wild public behaviour

[@TrangPhamNguyen]

Agreed, as a judge, that would be a red flag to me. Why are they working her, when they should be making sure she gets help. Its similar to demi levato where u wonder becuz so much money is at stake that pays for so other ppl’s salaries… that u wonder what their motives are. AND i would HATE being given a therapist etc. i wanna choose my own that i feel *safe* with

[@alaalfa8839]

Well and this videos is contraproductive..... the fact that the expert says in this video..Bipolar people see the past differently and may see it as control, abuse etc..... but in same time he says in this video, But I dont know whether this is the case of her (seeing things differently than they are)....... Its dangerous to say this.... because then any doctor or lawyer may say this in court "but I DONT KNOW whether it is the case here",...so now we may "label" her as mentaly fragile and take all her money..... Well if you dont know why do you talk of it as an expert.....Ask her to take polygraph test, ask the father to take polygraph test ask the doctors to take the polygraph test, ask her lawers to take polygraph test.......Well I forgot that experts, doctors and lawyers are immune to a polygraph test, because they would lose money from their business.

[@bigwhy6845]

I think this is the solution. Britney should retire. It seems like she needs a massive support system to stay working at the level she does. However, this support system is very oppressive and problematic. Britney should step out of the public eye and focus on her health and family (the family members she loves).

[@GHo224]

the thing that bothers me, is she is in her 40s, yet she was never allowed to actually experience anything that someone her age has experienced, it is normal she seems awkward, she isn't allowed to live and make mistakes and grow

[@heftyhefty_]

Also Britney was hurrying through her prepared statement because she was afraid of getting cut off. She’s rarely been given a chance to actually speak.

[@sassypants7536]

I agree 100%. Britney is so used to not being heard, that she expects to be cut off or for the court not to listen to what she has to say. When you are used to being silenced, you start to believe nothing you say is of value. Plus the nerves of addressing the court, and trying to relay all the relevant information (which is hard to do clearly when you are under enormous stress) not to mention the ongoing trauma and PTSD. I think what she did was incredibly brave. I have been through trauma myself and would not have been able to stand up for myself the way Britney did. She is clearly terrified, yet she did it anyway.

[@sadielee7000]

Yes!! Exactly this!

[@victoriat5103]

Listening to this I think she may have also been talking fast because she was nervous. This was her first time talking publicly in a long time and it's in front of a court which, last time she testified, locked her down further according to her.

[@sarahserenity3872]

I also talk fast when I see or am anticipating seeing disinterest on the other person's face.....like there's a time limit to how long someone will listen to you, especially if it's a "complaint" as Dr. Honda calls it.

[@268RG]

@@sarahserenity3872 Or she could be manic.

[@alyssahomen3753]

Yep exposed her abusers knowing she’d have to go home to them is terrifying and she must be triggered

[@nah7656]

reliving trauma could make her talk fast. Also i think she just wants to say as much as she can until it was time to get off the phone.

[@Adara007]

It's likely due to a high degree of anxiety at trying to get out as many of her experiences as possible and, being accustomed to being cut off if not also ignored, she's trying to say as much as possible. It's also the first time she's been able to address the Court whilst knowing it's recorded for the general public to hear. Some people assume that because she's an experienced performer that she should be calm and collected under all situations but this petition involves highly personal matters from her medication to gynaecological issues and Britney's probably justifiably worried about this being her only opportunity to get this conservatorship ended.

[@emmamurray6639]

Dr. Honda you seemed to miss some key points because you kept stopping the audio. She talked about being abused by a therapist. If someone thanks God a therapist is dead, what happened? She also talked about her family living off her conservatorship. That money might explain why her father's lawyers have tried to keep Bessamer from starting an audit-- something reported on about a month ago. Her father earns a percentage of her profits from working. What reason do people making money from her estate have to help her gain independence or ease control over her?

[@jke387]

He also skipped the part that she said "well, maybe I need some therapy"....but I don't think she has anything to hide, in not wanting to be evaluated. It's from all the trauma and bad practice she has been been subjected to. If extreme measures, like psychiatry aren't handled properly, they can damage an individual, even more.

[@Mackenzie-s4q]

Yeah if i remember correctly i thought i heard before how her therapist was abusive and "on her fathers side"

[@Mila-Nova]

His whole take on this was awful.

[@positivepenny5477]

I agree, he stopped at strange places and missed stuff, seems like he skipped stuff. Other KZbinrs usually pre-cut the audio so they don't stop it mid-thought. Very annoying.

[@rosadouglas87]

You guys must have stopped watching early on Dr. Honda gives his thoughts on the last 15 minutes of the video. The other parts are edited for time many KZbin must cut out parts. In the end he's agreeing that someone shouldn't be forced to go to therapy and that the way this coservatorship is set up is problematic. He basically agrees with all of you in the end.

[@thebowandbullet]

Listening to Dr. Honda list the number of different ways Britney may be refusing evaluation for reasons other than her being fed up with evaluations, I can't help but think a bipolar diagnosis is ideal to discredit someone, and that's a scary thought.😕

[@namuseraici]

I know right? He seems to be saying literally anything she says can be untrue because *maybe* she's bipolar. This is so disappointing.

[@Te3time]

was she ever actually diagnosed with bipolar

[@thebowandbullet]

@@Te3time I'm not sure. It sounds like maybe she was, but I'm not really well informed on this story.

[@thebowandbullet]

@@namuseraici I'm not even saying it's wrong to consider all the possibilities, but women can often be discredited, now imagine a bipolar woman in a conservatorship... it seems like an impossible situation. Her father has all the power to make her do what he wants and take her money, AND all the power to discredit everything she says so she can't even defend herself. It's an untenable situation. :(

[@bluebirdredrobin6827]

@@namuseraici He literally never said that. He’s reiterated multiple times that he doesn’t know what she was diagnosed with and can only speculate based on what was presented in the documentary and his own personal experience.

[@fashattude]

Hi Dr. Kirk, I was a little disappointed that you perhaps mistakenly implied for most of your reaction that her being manic or symptomatic would make this conservatorship valid in some way. Having bipolar does not mean someone deserves to have absolutely no control of their life. They may need help but a conservatorship is incredibly extreme.

[@tashybellgoesrawr]

He already stated that he is familiar with conservatorship as a form of protection to the individual and those around them. I imagine that would be case by case depending on how much the person is impacted by their own impairment.

[@malenavarro100]

Totally agree here

[@NatalieMarie917]

@Persis judges can grant temporary, limited, or total guardianship for people with bipolar disorder

[@TheCandiceWang]

This is Britney Spears we’re talking about. I don’t know this doc, this is my first video. I didn’t hear ANY of this implication in his video. This is astonishing. I felt he presented a very well informed layout of possibilities. We’re talking Britney. Her infamy and her over exposure, all of those 10 years, all that that came with, is what might constitute why she needed a conservatorship! This is unique to her level of infamy. I also believe it is totally possible she has early onset dementia. Rare, but not unheard of. I’ve seen it happen to young people. It is not well understood by the public, though.

[@TheCandiceWang]

He didn’t say that, morag, now did he? Or are you just pouncing?

[@politicaltroll8920]

This situation gives a whole new meaning to “Why does the caged bird sing?”

[@greenunicorn9908]

A golden cage is still a cage

[@lavinder11]

She has a song called Lucky. The MV basically summarizes her celebrity life.

[@suelawson7273]

Because it's the only freedom the bird has? I've never heard that saying before 🤔

[@politicaltroll8920]

@@suelawson7273 “I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings” is the title of a book that Maya Angelou wrote about her childhood experiences with abuse and racism, I believe the title comes from an old poem.

[@LisaRichards_123]

Her manager gets 35% of her tour proceeds. Her father also gets proceeds. So they forced her to tour.

[@elijah2604]

Britney literally did tours when she was already in conservatorship and there was a lot of fire around her, she was multiple times in the air singing, sometimes holding ONE thing when she was high in air, someone only holding her or just standing with no security on platform when it was going up. Doing this every night. It's worth to check the video on YT ''Britney Spears - The Most DANGEROUS Moments On Stage'' (moments since 2008). Is it even possible for a person being ''at risk'' all the time doing all of these dangerous things? She did tons of tours like that since 2008 and she was performing day after day.

[@nicolesteele6000]

Thats a really good point. If someone is a danger to themselves or others, you wouldn't want them to be allowed in that kind of situation

[@evak6444]

"We don't know if she's bipolar" *Comments the entire hearing from the premise that she is bipolar*...

[@LaNoturna]

But the reality is that we don’t know. Dr. Honda said it’s possible Britney has bipolar disorder or schizoaffective disorder because of her being prescribed Lithium by her doctor, but that’s not enough to say we KNOW what mental illness/disorder she has. In all his videos he speculates to teach us about psychology, but he never diagnoses anyone.

[@ellenino]

EXACTLY

[@melinagomez3788]

I'm a psychologist and I cannot say with exactitude if she is bipolar but she does seem to present a lot of the symptoms.

[@NatalieMarie917]

@Persis the purpose of his channel is to speak about mental health topics & analyze situations using a mental health framework. He’s not saying that it cannot be true that the other people involved have hidden agendas (in fact, he states that it is a possibility numerous times). He is much more qualified to speak about bipolar disorder than he is to speculate whether or not other people involved have malicious intent.

[@86crud]

Yeah they’re going to have to allow her to choose a doctor and be re-evaluated from zero. She hates that idea and I understand exactly why the idea terrifies her.

[@MoonWomanStudios]

I didn't realize how triggering this would be for me. I only made it 26 minutes. Having someone control your life is so traumatizing.

[@fartboxsupreme]

Glad you stepped back when you needed to 💙 hang in there

[@sarah3796]

Take it easy on yourself. 🥰✨

[@laurmichelle9560]

Sending you so much love 💕 You should be proud of yourself for recognizing your triggers and what you needed to do to take care of yourself in the moment. Your well-being is more important than forcing yourself to endure the entire statement. I hope you start to feel more comforted and know that we’re here for you in support. 💕

[@roofcactus]

Listen to yourself and take it easy🧡

[@roofcactus]

You are not alone🦋🧡

[@antoniapopescu8286]

I always loved dr. Honda but I find this video troubling at times. I understand it was not the intention but by speculating so heavily on her diagnosis and scrutinising her statements under a strict symptomatic bipolar diagnosis, the message that comes across is that people affected by mental illnesses should have no human rights or freedom whatsoever. I, too, if I was in her shoes, would be emotional and agitated if I were given one chance every two years to speak my case for why I deserve bodily autonomy. Even if she does have a diagnosis and is highly symptomatic, that should not be a reason to deny her basic human rights, such as not being forced to work against her will and under the threat of losing even more personal freedom - if anything she should be allowed more time away from performing and a business that is even in the best of cases still highly exploitative for vulnerable women. It is inappropriate for her conservators to directly profit off of her work, which they deem her competent in and capable of doing, while simultaneously claiming her dementia (the condition they used to claim her conservatorship 13 years ago) is incapacitating we enough they have full conseratorship over her personhood instead of just her assets, which would be more understandable and humane for someone in her position.

[@gregoryreid8106]

Agreed

[@kayann100]

And not only that, but for the person who is controlling the conservatorship to be a physically and emotionally abusive parental figure who you have repeatedly stated you want no contact with.

[@cheesiscool335444]

Did you watch the full video? Based on what he says (especially near the end, which is why I ask) he completely agrees with your latter two paragraphs. As for the first, he never says anything like "oh she's definitely symptomatic so they should be controlling XYZ." The most he says is like "I have seen similar behaviour from symptomatic people, for whom it may be reasonable to keep an eye on XYZ." And even when he does, he always notes that it is entirely possible that she is mildly or not at all symptomatic, and/or that the restrictions are excessive/oppressive/unnecessary.

[@rptnar]

@@cheesiscool335444 yeah but if she doesn't have bipolar then half of the video is going to trash bin. Britney was never evaluated to get her into the conservatorship. That was voluntary at first. They took an advantage of her later on. That's why she doesn't want to be evaluated. She was promised to be free after doing Circus tour. And then after another project. Then she was made to do other things threatened with not seeing her sons

[@payachan]

He sounded exactly like my first therapist (180 bucks for a session, I was 26). Everything he said was scientifically correct & made sense to me, revolving around diagnosis. But i felt zero empathy and he did not make me feel better in the end... I like Dr. Honda as a popularizer of psychotherapy. Such a KZbin gem. But I have a feeling I might not like him as my therapist after this video.

[@BretValdez]

Miley's manager was Larry Rudolph - also Britney's manager. When she brought up Miley smoking weed on stage and going through her "wild" phase, she was encouraged not punished the way Britney was, and Britney doesn't find that fair. Also, interestingly, Jamie Lynn, Britney's sister, wielded a knife at people in a restaurant several years ago, and she was never put under a conservatorship. Isn't that interesting? The one without the money gets to go on living freely.

[@abbmidwife]

Licensed Midwife here, it is absolutely a violation of her reproductive rights to have an IUD inserted in her body against her will AND deny her access to a practitioner who could remove it for her, when she clearly expresses her desire to have it removed. All the other stuff I don't feel qualified to weigh in on but it is unethical to put anyone on birth control without their informed consent and choice. It is an assault. I do not understand how they managed to get a licensed professional to do that. Not only is it wrong on every level, that person could lose their license or at the very least face disciplinary action by their licensing board for that abuse of power. And if that part is true, I hope that practitioner is investigated and is never able to touch another patient again. Respecting peoples' bodily autonomy is integral to quality, safe, and respectful reproductive health.

[@valhasviews]

She is not allowed to pick her own laywer because of the conservatorship (its a court appointed laywer)...she cant pick a doctor or a therapist or anything for that matter due to the constrictiveness of the conservatorship. Its extremely constrictive.

[@solveig964]

She is allowed to pick her own lawyer now

[@valhasviews]

@@solveig964 Thank God for that! I posted this 3 weeks ago before the court ruled on it.

[@JD-FIES]

Even if she has some symptoms of bipolar that she’s still managing, it doesn’t entitle them to imprison, control, and profit from her. Very few other people with bipolar on earth have to deal with this. Just because they can use all her money to hire this team of prison guards doesn’t mean it’s alright. She has a condition she struggles with like millions of others; she’s not a mass murderer.

[@melsinki8]

Exactly

[@imant3854]

If Britney is as mentally unstable as they say and such a huge danger for herself and maybe other, why on earth have she been touring and performing for years. So she is good to make all those million dollars and carry-on the Britney cash-machine but not good enough to enjoy her own money, her life and make decisions for herself? Not saying she shouldn't have people helping her in her life and advising etc but clearly the situation here is totally out of control. Consistency please.

[@mylah5406]

It's incredibly difficult to discuss trauma with even a therapist or close friend but then to do that in a court situation where you are fighting for your own freedom. She killed it and I hope she finally gets the freedom she has long deserved.

[@janedoe3648]

🔥

[@triciam4798]

Indeed!! I so want her to be free and happy!

[@taylorcook8377]

I’m a physician and we assess patients daily for the ability to make decisions- I.e. leaving the hospital before medical treatment is completed- this should not be this complicated. Very sketchy

[@m.calexander8914]

This abuse of the conservatorship reminds me of the move “ I Care A Lot” with Rosamund Pike where they would falsely claim the elderly is incompetent in order to take over their lives and money.

[@Orque]

Britney and Miley had the same manager, Larry Rudolph. It is very different the way he handled Miley's "transgressions". Very different cases, I know, but I see why she would be angry about seeing everyone else having more liberties than her.

[@lavinder11]

Miley "transgressions" was a marketing ploy and all her idea. She was coherent and still is.

[@Orque]

@@lavinder11 Oh absolutely. As I said, completely different cases. Just trying to explain where Britney was coming from, even if I don't think they are comparable, or Brit was making a fair point.

[@katherinegunaratne3365]

For what it's worth, I heard "vials" not "gals"

[@MsJeanneMarie]

Hehe the auto generated closed captions wrote “gals” but I’m positive you’re right.

[@celifacejones]

I think she said "gals" but meant "vials." She misspeaks when nervous. She also calls the IUD just "ID".

[@janedoe3648]

She has a little bit of an Southern accent

[@belinda7192]

Britney has been in this conservatorship for over a decade and wasn't allowed to speak or be interviewed without permission. If she is now, it is understandable for her to be upset and nervous and really angry. That can make her mess up her words because she is trying to get through this. I can't see her mess ups during this audio as a way to judge her stability. Seems unfair. I would have been locked up long ago if that were the case because I am a horrible speaker. Secondly, you mentioned Kanye West is bipolar, which she is suspected of having. No one has ever mentioned a conservatorship even when he says he refuses medication and people don't seem to want to intervene because people say it will mess up his musical 'genius' this seems so sexist. So many celebrities have made super controversial choices, and she is the only one who was forced into a conservatorship in exchange to keep her children close. Lastly, this seems like disability rights issue. Whether she suffers from a mental illness, this is obviously not to her benefit. She is suffering, she is telling you so. Her dad has filed for bankruptcy in the past, and was given control over her fortune, a dad she never had a good relationship with. How is that to her benefit? She can keep making them so much money, performing and creating choreography and teaching her dancers said choreography, and yet she is too ill to make choices over her body and her treatment? So unfair

[@kadygirlforever]

8 vials. She’s got a heavy accent

[@sunflowerheather7019]

I absolutely love her real speaking voice, accent and all.

[@jamesjackson8292]

Yep it's not the baby voice she was forced to use for a long time.

[@maam-yj8ph]

She sounds a lot like Melissa Gilbert who played Laura Ingalls Wilder in the Little House show.

[@madmisskelly]

I think she is an example of being terrified and being allowed to speak freely for the first time in a long time. I could only imagine how full of adrenaline and anger she is.

[@katpillar4131]

Would be interesting to have Paris Hilton and her documentary crew interview Brittany. She is word vomiting because she was not allowed to speak last time before the judge. This is her only opportunity to advocate for herself.

[@nicolesteele6000]

13 years of pent up emotions and suffering. If shes only at a 2/10 on the scale of concerning speech, id say she's fine.

[@zeldazebstrika2127]

Agreed, I talk like that when I'm stressed and trying to defend myself too. Overexplaining is a common trauma response.

[@Charlotte8591]

@@zeldazebstrika2127 Okay, that's eye opening to me. I didn't know that. I overexplain often.

[@TheCandiceWang]

Or, she’s symptomatic, like the doc said was a possibility. 🙄

[@zeldazebstrika2127]

@@TheCandiceWang either way she deserves her basic human rights

[@RockyDaTherapist]

What she’s describing can be considered abuse of a dependent adult in the state of California. Adult services can be called in to evaluate her situation and determine if she is being abused and needs to be removed from her current caregivers.

[@illuminaughty9124]

I had the same idea when I was hearing her speak, was that at least in my state, we could call and report suspected abuse of a dependent adult. I don’t know much about California though.

[@RockyDaTherapist]

@@illuminaughty9124 I read that the judge is having her claims of abuse being looked into.

[@christinemichele2318]

Good point!

[@DodoToutDoux]

I feel bad for saying this, but this reaction is extremely triggering.

[@shadow.verse1990]

I feel the same

[@magopal5610]

Yes, it's very dismissive. Like symptomatic people can't be trusted, and their pleas for help should be ignored.

[@LEZPEZ1]

Yea I couldnt finish it I just relived my family members denying reality and constantly invalidating me via narcissistic abuse and the enablers... Took like 10 years in therapy to trust my own judgment and realize I was right to feel I was treated unfairly, with my mood disorder and adhd used against me as a reason to say I can't be trusted, despite regular treatment and meds and stability.. Some people like to take advantage and prey upon ppl they think can make them feel superior

[@rebalove]

I had to stop watching because I'm feeling extremely triggered. He is basically calling her delusional, yet she is apparently lucid enough to work and earn all of the people who are controlling her money. She's obviously not overstating, we've all watched her work for the last 13 years.

[@kmonkey8874]

i believe her

[@stellak8730]

Bringing up Miley isn't confusing at all because she's trying to draw a straight line between Miley's behaviour especially after her first split with Liam Hemsworth where she was twerking and carrying on which was not punished to her own behaviour which has been met with conservatorship and being declared incompetent. What it comes down to is she had a couple of bad years after giving birth and instead of getting support she had her life stolen from her. Its like they don't think she has a right to make bad choices that is how much they infantilize her.

[@janedoe3648]

Miley acts so crazy and bizarre and she is applauded for it, yes

[@TheCandiceWang]

You're missing the point. She was in COURT, bringing up someone who just is famous too, out of nowhere. You didn't understand the part the doc said about not tracking did you? He's saying that bringing it up, expecting the Judge to understand why she is bringing up someone who's unrelated to her situation, lacking the sight to see that this would be confusing and hard to catch up with, that CAN be a symptom. That is what he is saying. It doesn't matter what Miley did, it matters that the court can see that she's competent, capable, made so much progress that she doesn't need the conservatorship anymore. She is not making the case for hereself well. She's actually showcasing to the judge here poor tracking, obstinateness, confusion, refusal to the very things that would help her get rid of the conservatorship. How is the judge supposed to follow or know why she's referencing Miley or VMAs etc etc? The manicures? She's definitely lost in her own world and that's disheartening.

[@swoopyeagle7102]

@@TheCandiceWang Anyone would be after that much traumatic abuse. The fact that she can still speak up or defend herself in any way at all is amazing. If you put a perfectly normal human through all this they'd come out of it with mental issues.

[@ghostfrequencies]

as someone who was placed under conservatorship, you don't listen to neurodivergent people nearly enough to be doing a video about it. we already have voices on the healthcare side, what our culture needs is to listen to the people it's actually happened to.

[@gunillajohnson5923]

What I find perhaps the most concerning is that someone who has bipolar disorder is made to work 7 long days a week for a longer period of time. If she is highly symptomatic, that is barely possible, and perhaps they are using her for slave labor. Or, if she is not symptomatic, overworking her is a good way to get her into mania. Someone with difficult bipolar needs to have proper rest to keep good diurnal rhythms. Lack of sleep and exhaustion are a recipe for mania, which usually causes even more lack of sleep, which worsens the mania until finally there is a collapse.

[@laurentate6239]

even if she is bi polar why does she need a conservatorship? I know people that have it very badly and don't have help for it and still live great lifes.

[@SerafinaP]

Some people with that do need it. I think usually the ones who also have delusions. We were trying to get a conservatorship for a family member when he passed away. He passed away because he did not seek medical treatment because he wasn't with it enough to seek it. At the time he was actually going to work every day and on meds. If we had been able to get one. I really believe he would be alive today. I think bipolar has a huge range of functionality.

[@angelacanedit]

exactly. like, halsey has bipolar disorder too and so do many other famous stars

[@baysavicious]

If Kanye doesn’t have a conservatorship by now, Brit does not need one!

[@kitten4790]

Her Father wants her fortune and money hence this controlling conservatorship. This is also why Britney Spears hardly performs anymore (I think she was also forced to perform anyways) because most of the revenue will go to her father instead to her. I also would not be surprised if her Father was bribing the judge or lawyers to keep Britney under his control.

[@unl5426]

@@SerafinaP I don’t think Britney’s condition is that serious considering her team has been forcing her to do worldwide tours and record albums for over a decade since the c-ship was put in place.

[@Alex-ph5ir]

For people who are following this situation and feeling upset at what Britney is enduring, I encourage you to also look more into disability movements as well. The disability community has long been fighting for changes to the conservatorship system, as it is rife with abuses. Disabled people are very vulnerable to having their agency removed; even people who need many supports still deserve agency as well. Many disabled people are subject to abusive conservatorships that remove their autonomy and most don't have the publicity or resources that Britney Spears does, so have even less ability to fight it. This is a well known problem in the disability justice world. Please stand in solidarity with disabled people and prioritize our voices when learning about and amplifying these issues. I hope Britney gets justice and freedom

[@annfron]

Thank you for mentioning this! I’m a person with a disability who is constantly advocating for disability rights and al embarrassed to say I didn’t even make that connection at first. I guess since there hasn’t been a confirmed diagnosis to the public. Thanks again for this comment. I have a friendly request, please try say “persons with disabilities” instead of “disabled people.” That also helps our community 😊

[@jke387]

I knew a social worker whose job was to investigate these abusers, was an abuser, themselves.

[@bashmeesh]

Thank you!!!!! Disabled people deserve autonomy.

[@Alex-ph5ir]

@@annfron No problem! Thank you for advocating for disability rights! I'm disabled myself and prefer identify-first language personally, but I know that isn't a universal preference across the community. Thanks for the note, and I apologize if my choice of language made you uncomfortable!

[@Alex-ph5ir]

@@bashmeesh Exactly! The funny thing is that non-disabled people are free to make poor life decisions if they want to, but once someone has a disability society sees it as acceptable to remove their autonomy. It is possible to support people in their care and decisions while still allowing them agency. I believe that in the future, we will look back on this current system as a gross injustice.

[@kmonkey8874]

Shes saying Miley Cyrus is allowed to smoke weed on stage by the same management as her, and she throws an umbrella at one paparazzi and they take her life from her basically.

[@angelacanedit]

no matter the situation, there is no way her father should be in charge conservatorship

[@leavecowsalone]

Right, the father is known to be a violent alcoholic and has gotten in trouble with the law several times because of this. Every business endeavor he has gone on has failed. WHY would he be put in charge of anything? If anyone needs one, it should be him that is the one in the conservatorship.

[@kimhaas7586]

Her statements regarding her father make perfect sense after I read the third party accounts in Ronan Farrow’s piece in the New Yorker. There are witnesses who report that once he got her into the conservatorship he bullied her, called her fat and some other pretty unsavory terms, and then threatened to cut off access to her kids if she didn’t comply. He’s been holding that over her head for 13 years. Also, some parents are NOT benevolent. I’m sure this comes as no surprise to you. But until you’ve actually *lived* under the control of a super controlling parent, you have no idea how it feels. It is crazy making. And then that parent can point to your reaction abs say, “see, I told you she was crazy”. If Britney has BP, she needs to learn to manage her symptoms. But if she’s reacting to an over controlling narcissistic parent, she needs to manage her interactions with her parent. She should have the right to not have him in her life. That’s what she is saying here. A lot of children of narcissistic parents have had to go “no contact” for their sanity. California is preventing her from divorcing her parent. This is the thing I find most outrageous. I can’t IMAGINE a worse kind of existence than being an adult who has to live under the control of a narcissist with the state reinforcing the arrangement indefinitely. This is how i see this situation. She doesn’t want her father controlling her life. She isn’t asking for the end of the conservatorship-yet. But give it time. She’s starting to figure things out. And sometimes it takes a whole lifetime to figure out that your life is in the hands of a manipulative narcissist. The person who needs the psych evaluation for a personality disorder is Jamie and what California is putting Britney through must be pure torture bipolar disorder notwithstanding.

[@ct6926]

Listening to this now sheds a lot of light on the many clips of her in concert barely going through the motions of her dance moves. I remember news outlets framing those as further showing her mental decline or using them to make fun of her. But now in hindsight, she does look like a person who is being forced to perform and is doing the bare minimum to get through it.

[@nicolesteele6000]

Dr Honda, you have always been skeptical of peoples ascribed diagnosis without knowing more. You refused to say for sure if Trisha Paytas had BPD even though she herself said she had that diagnosis. . Yet throughout this video, you address Britney as though she has bipolar and use that give a shadow of doubt to the credibility of all of her experience. I dont know if itd because the psych community is involved in the case or what. Its completely against your usual painfully objective approach. This is unlike your normal behavior and I find it very upsetting. As a bipolar person im very triggered to think that mental health professionals may be casting doubt on literally everything I do like this. :(

[@shadow.verse1990]

😟❤️

[@janedoe3648]

The psych system is fundamentally pathologizing, demeaning, gaslighting and abusive regularly enough. Seek help in Jesus, you won't find real love or cure here♡

[@annieclarf5367]

❤️

[@catherinepowell4149]

Your comment stuck out to me because while watching the video I was surprised that he made so many references to BPD as if that might be her disorder when no one knows what her diagnosis is. I feel like he should come from the angle of using the umbrella "mental health diagnosis" instead of a particular one.

[@Little8Mochi]

100%. He completely invalidated her.

[@JD-FIES]

She probably messed up the measurement of the blood, but that doesn’t mean she’s delusional, she probably just goofed on that. It doesn’t destroy her credibility

[@janedoe3648]

Therapists have a problem with patholigizing everything!! It's gaslighting and abusive. The fundamentals of human relationship and society is giving people the benefit of the doubt and dignity as a human being, and the corrupted psych system undermines that

[@athanksgivingbaby570]

I actually read the "8 gallons" of blood as sarcastic exaggeration for "A lot ". Keeping in mind that she indicated at the start that she was reading from notes, it makes sense that the sarcastic emphasis didn't quite come through. Britney also has an unusual speech pattern. Some of it might be the Louisiana/California upbringing but she's also been working since she was about 10. She's intelligent but I think her formal education was probably minimal so her word choices sound a little unusual.

[@TheFryedIScream]

honestly i think she said vials

[@hecticeclecticmama8950]

@@TheFryedIScream I heard vial's as well.

[@ellenino]

@@athanksgivingbaby570 Exactly, she was taken from school at a young age, some words she says a little bit odd... And her accent contributes, like Nekkid instead of Naked

[@tailorednoire]

Edit- She's speaking the way I did at 17 in front of a judge for emancipation. You gotta get everything out as fast as possible and use everything you can think of to convince the judge you are capable of thinking for yourself. It's almost like a blind panic I was misdiagnosed as bipolar as a kid, and every time I wasn't "happy", I was locked in psych. Our wonderful Healthcare system overmedicated me and threatened that I couldn't leave the unit if I didn't agree to be in the geodon study. 3 years of unalive attempts and memory loss- and someone finally realized I wasn't bipolar, I was being abused. Our mental health system is a joke

[@blahblah1287]

If she was highly symptomatic then why would she be out there working like she has been? I thought she was explaining things pretty well, she brought uo miley to say that famous people these days can make mistakes and not have the control over their lives taken away, unlike her.

[@rosewein]

Exactly this. No one would ask a poorly person to work like this if they cared.

[@caseyw.6550]

Especially if they are men. (Looking at you, Charlie sheen)

[@kristin123a]

It probably has smt to do with the fact that the Cyruses seems not to be absolute assholes who have no problem exploiting their daughter. At least Miley seems to have her family on her side.

[@hanzuglam]

Britney's father had the nerve to say that Britney had a dementia for the past 13 years. That was the reason for the conservatorship. That doesn't sound like someone who has dementia. Not to mention all the work that Britney has done for the past 13 years. Albums, tours, interviews etc. If she really have dementia, she shouldn't work at all. And things wouldn't be this bad if Britney was a male.

[@kerrybutcher283]

But I have read that once you have a diagnosis it is nearly impossible to get it removed or changed. I remember reading about four researchers who had no mental illness who checked them in to mental hospital to study how long it took for them to be released. It took months.

[@gradepending1]

It's unfortunate. Where i worked they use electronic medical records and I would see a whole list of medical and mental health diagnoses. A lot of it wasn't even active, and when I asked how this person had this diagnosis/who gave that to them, no one could answer. I also couldn't take it off of their medical record in their list of "problems"

[@Justthatgirlish]

Can you remember what that research paper was called? It sounds interesting

[@kerrybutcher283]

@@Justthatgirlish it was called the Rosenhan experiment. There was two experiments. One when they sent in pseudo - patients and one where they arranged with an institution to send in pseudo patients and the hospital clinicians had to identify them. It basically came down to biases I think that if they were looking for something wrong they found it, whether or not the patient was actually ill or not. Just about how the initial diagnosis could be unreliable. This was back in the 70's so I don't know if they could repeat their findings. But it was definitely an interesting read.

[@kerrybutcher283]

Also I have read too where criminals who mistakenly thought that they would get an easier go of it if they faked a mental illness to get sent to a mental facilities ended up incarcerated in a mental facility but now can't get out as they can't prove that they aren't psychotic. These were violent criminals but some have been longer in mental institutions than if they had just served their jail time instead. Of course they could just be incredibly cunning and trying to game the system again. It was just another example of once having a diagnosis how difficult it is to prove it is wrong.

[@curiousone6435]

Indeed! It can affect you on so many levels (economically, for example). It can make it difficult --or incredibly invasive -- for people who work in national security that require athe acquisition or maintenance of a clearance. DoD updated the rules, but far too many vets with PTSD commit suicide because the treatment is poor/ineffective, they wont allow approaches like medical marijuana without revoking your clearance, and they are in fear of losing their jobs/careers, too.

[@shadow.verse1990]

Came back to read all comments again, because I can't simply believe what he did with this video..

[@janedoe3648]

It is disturbing, this is the problem with the psych system smh. It robs people of their humanity, dignity and autonomy

[@leavecowsalone]

@@NN-zk4uz no, because other reasonable (and likely) interpretations for her presentation during this testimony are ignored and that robs her of dignity and autonomy. She is likely talking fast because she is nervous and has been shut down from complaining for 13 years. She is likely (more than likely, probably) bring up other pop culture icons to create examples and analogies about her experiences and receptions with respect to theirs - not because she is manic and making disconnected statements, she is saying she is great at choreography because SHE IS and is saying so to refute the claims by her team that she doesn’t dance in practice - not because she is having delusions of grandeur. There are a lot of things going wrong in this video centering around the Dr.’s insistence of speculating about the cause of the substance Britney’s presentation in court *necessarily* as symptomatic bipolar disorder. There are many many equally likely causes for why she is presenting this way, and not all of these causes are indicative of her suffering from a diagnosis that has never even been revealed to the public. There has never been any confirmation that Britney suffers from bipolar and none of the released documentation indicates that is what she is suffering from, if she suffers from anything. The only confirmed allegation of mental disorders is the fact that her dad claimed she had dementia at age 26 on the conservatorship application. 13 years later, we see this woman obviously does not have dementia or she’d have very noticeable disability by now, as that is a degenerative disease. What the above comments are pointing out is that is was actually pretty irresponsible to interpret Britney’s presentation the way Dr. Honda did here, and this video is representative of the way professionals in the field who unjustifiably and unreasonably relegate behavior to manifestation of some assumed disgnosis effectively disable clients from being considered to provide reliable accounts of their experience. It’s very dangerous territory if people start thinking others with supposed diagnoses cannot recount their own lives without their reports having been affected by their supposed diagnoses. It truly does strip someone’s ability to advocate for themselves if nobody will take their word for what it is, even when there is plenty of reason to believe their account to be true, which is the case here

[@bluesideace]

Same

[@katiebear]

Wow, I am really taken aback by your take on this tbh. I expected a much more unbiased view and you really painted her as super unstable. This woman is a literal SLAVE and has been stripped of her basic human rights. Shocking.

[@janedoe3648]

THANK YOU

[@sunflowersandstarss]

right this was so upsetting like what’s the point to side with a clearly abusive system

[@fmr9009]

If you were held prisoner for 13 years and suddenly able to have a voice wouldn't you talk fast and be pissed.

[@minergirlcrafty4224]

You go out from the assumption that she's is bipolar. What if she isn't? What are the symptoms from years of abuse? I saw a interview with the father, it's from the daily mail, but the father's answers are problematic. I find a little lack of research here. You can find a lot of extra information online. When you do research on this case, and their is plenty from both sides than I find it more a valuable observation.

[@carr0760]

There is no public confirmation of her diagnosis, so no amount of research is going to give him that answer. He started out by saying he doesn't know the diagnosis but that the rumours, and the hearsay from the "documentary" say bipolar, so he's working from that assumption. That said, the most common use for lithium is bipolar, so the assumption is valid from the information given. And again, he never said she is.

[@minergirlcrafty4224]

@@carr0760 so he works from an assumption but takes a diagnose and base his observation on that assumption. That's a wrong outgoing for an observation. It's a rumor to go on. As a professional I will question him. His whole observation is based on a rumor, you shouldn't do that if you are therapist. The evidence and research you will find on the internet you can be more researched. When I would do an observation like this I would do my research, he didn't.

[@minergirlcrafty4224]

Also again he diagnoses her on behavior signs like talking fast. Talking fast is also a symptom for ptsd, adhd, add depression,.. he goes on an on about bipolar and even then you should not take their human right away. I find this observation very problematic.

[@minergirlcrafty4224]

As somebody outside America this observation gives me a lot of inclusion problems that already exists in other countries. I don't say that we are perfect but this observation in our team we would question this observation and how he talks about people with mental issues. We think different than this. I have questions, what's your education?

[@carr0760]

@@minergirlcrafty4224 I guess you've never noticed the thousands of times he says that everything he says is total speculation, he can never diagnose anyone from afar, he would have to speak to them at length to confirm any hypothesis, that he simply uses what he sees as a jumping off point to learn something, etc. Or the dozens of times in this video alone where he said on their side, this could be evidence of the following, and on Britney's side this could be evidence of abuse and such. He literally never took a stand on either side.

[@krillrule99]

Agreeing with other comments, I have bipolar disorder and this video seems pretty dismissing of Britney and also that he speaks so heavily of bipolar when to my best understanding this is not confirmed for Britney. He also mentions that people with bipolar don’t like taking medications and miss specifically hypomania where I’m at in the video. That is certainly not the case for everyone. And stability is possible. I can’t articulate exactly why but this video and reaction really truly rubs me the wrong way. I can only imagine if I was placed into a conservatorship during an episode and if I was still in it today how devastating that would be. He just makes it seem like you can’t live a normal life with bipolar and I have found that while I have to manage it for the rest of my life and take medication, life can be just that, manageable and even fulfilling, enjoyable, etc.

[@GenieLiz]

It rubs me the wrong way too. I have ADHD. Her reading of the paper sounds exactly like me when I have written something and I have gone though it 1000x's of times. She's traped in a house with her oppressors. I would be speaking as fast as I could in case someone was going to cut me off.

[@Mourmaline]

What bothers me is the way that Dr. Kirk dismisses Britneys concerns. Makes it seem like they're irrelevant because she's bipolar.

[@positivepenny5477]

Bipolar has touched my life deeply and I agree. Listening to him say we don't know her diagnosis but also I'm going to paint this picture as if we have confirmed this diagnosis and therefore she deserves this shit really put me off to this guy.

[@ninanano]

It’s also fair to mention that Britney did mention she’s fine with therapy because she admits she needs the help. Trying to make her look like a mental health patient in complete denial who would be dangerous without a conservatorship is exactly what her conservators are trying to do, and they sure will go harder on that strategy moving forward

[@TheCandiceWang]

This is my first video of his. I’m not a layman in Psych. I also suffer, myself. I even understand her rapid over-explaining and non-tracking. You do realize these very well can be symptoms, right? He was completely presenting all sides. Unbiased. He didn’t use tones pro or con. He made it VERY clear that for some, bipolar disorder can completely disrupt lives. Are you guys specialized in all manifestations of Bipolar? Doubt you have more understanding than a professional would have. All the bipolar sufferers I know have a severe suffering. One of mine needs a conservatorship or something similar. Just bc yours is manageable, doesn’t mean HERS IS. For many bipolar sufferers, it ruins the lives of them and their caretakers. That doesn’t mean it happens to ALL, and he didn’t say so! You guys just want to believe Britney when you haven’t even heard both sides of the story. Strange.

[@RT22444]

Interesting. Although I do wish Dr. Honda would watch a LITTLE bit more than 5-10 seconds of the material before talking for 5-10 minutes lol. Also I'm not really sure what he expects... I respect being objective about this but she's been silenced for 13 years & traumatized & is probably terrified & nervous of getting cut off/not saying her entire piece. I don't have mania but if I were her I'd probably find myself talking in that manner as well at times. This is an INCREDIBLY emotional ordeal. She's fighting for her life and all odds are against her. I get trying to consider all sides of this but I kind of get the feeling Dr. Kirk leans more towards her having a mental illness that justifies her conservatorship. He seems to get REALLY stuck/fixated on the idea of her being bipolar. I think this discounts her entire experience leading up to this situation. She even EXPLAINS WHY she doesn't want to be subjected to ANOTHER evaluation where in the end they'll just do what they're paid off to do anyway and I think her concerns about that are totally valid even if they're not practical for how the process/system works. You HAVE TO HAVE TO HAVE TO consider the incredible amount of trauma and lack of support and care before her conservatorship even started. I doubt she even knows how to properly regulate her emotions with all she's been through & the shady people around her. The more I think about this the more I don't like that this recording was even analyzed at all.

[@RT22444]

Yeah, this is….kind of upsetting actually. It really feels like he’s discrediting everything she says because she “might” be bipolar (and therefore somehow cannot be trusted, is lying/exaggerating/not able to perceive reality??). Which is fucking terrifying, especially coming from a therapist. If this theory deserves so much consideration, why isn’t her trauma and history of treatment that lead up to this be taken into consideration just as heavily? And even if she is bipolar, it is NOT a justification for her conservatorship. Its NOT a justification of the slavery and abuse she’s in, & it is NOT a justification for not being heard or believed or taken seriously/trusted. His speculations are not truly objective because he’s clearly leaning towards not trusting what she says based on textbook knowledge rather than the actual situation at hand. It isn’t being looked at as holistically as it should. Bipolar or not she deserves rights point blank period. If she wants to fuck up her life, shouldn’t she have the right to do so?? ITS HER FUCKING MONEY!!!! This whole thing exists because her family & others are feeding off her money. That’s it. Its really not hard to see. OH BUT HER NERVOUSNESS SOUNDS LIKE MANIA IN OTHERS SO WHAT CAN WE BELIEVE? Disappointing. How hard is it to consider nervousness? Or talking fast so you can say everything you need (after being silenced for YEARS) without being cut off? Or how bout this, TELLING THE TRUTH JUST TO HAVE EVERYONE AROUND YOU SAY YOU’RE LYING AND PULL THE REINS OF CONTROL EVEN TIGHTER. How many of y’all can speak clearly, calmly, and with perfect articulation when you’re nervous as hell and deeply upset and fighting for your rights and autonomy after 13 years have already been stolen? Also so incredibly tone deaf ignoring the blatant sexism happening with this situation in general & historically. This whole conservatorship was on the claims of her having dementia. cmon. There were also moments he just COMPLETELY misheard her & rode off with it…ugh. I grew up in the 90s but wouldn’t necessarily say I’m a Britney fan, so those comments were pretty disappointing too. She can’t say anything without it being under the lens of MAYBE being bipolar/symptomatic, which somehow discredits her experience? It means she’s lying? A lot of assumptions without any research it seems. Why comment on a case when you have minimal information on it? A waste imo. :( Emily D. Baker is a lawyer and did a great breakdown of this case with A LOT MORE background facts and humanity. Highly recommend it.

[@paulap4675]

This is the first time I feel de Kirk is too clinical and is more concerned with ‘is it true or not’. I believe she is finally speaking up for herself and definitely was in a situation where she was easily exploited, money wise and other wise. I wish he was more compassionate and supportive. Usually he gives the benefit of the doubt and believes whoever he analyzes. Either way it’s her truth and how she sees it.

[@lazyexistentialist4550]

Even if Britney is symptomatic, I don’t see why she still can’t be released. There are thousands of people with BPD that don’t need a conservatorship. Clearly she can work and advocate for herself. If the standard for getting out of a conservatorship is being “cured” then clearly that’s an impossible standard.

[@hyoga5551]

We believe Britney. After 13 years of being imprisoned and has done all that they asked her to do and still in this conservatorship it's her right to be freed it's her right to live her life the way she wants NO ONE is allowed to use and abuse her like that

[@tocafanart]

I speak like this when I’m nervous and/or really excited about a topic. I think it’s a result of my brain trying to summarize a lot of info/data for convenience because I deem a lot of necessary details boring so I speed up. She really sounds nervous but is doing her best to show that she understands the system controlling her.

[@bashmeesh]

Yup totally do too. She is pent up and sounds reasonable to me considering.

[@leftypaws1131]

100%.

[@Characterispower9481]

Yeah I do too, I go ridiculously hyper when I’m nervous, emotional or stressed and to be honest sound exactly like Britney does here.

[@dc-bm3vn]

Dr Honda, her dad lives off of her conservatorship. He has no job, and he gets more a month from her estate than she is allowed. She even has to pay him an extra $2,000 a month to rent an office.

[@triciam4798]

And she pays for HIS lawyers… it’s all ridiculous

[@bananawammabama]

Wow. What a gross misquote and misrepresentation of Britney. You recall her saying "I'm perfect and everything is fine" with some allowance in the wording... She was actually talking about her career and her dancing choreography specifically and said she is GREAT. Which she is. I mean wow. To imply she was saying she has feelings of grandiosity and was saying everything is fine. That is so unprofessional for you to say that. I'm disgusted.

[@RT22444]

Yes I was about to pull my hair out during that section, so disappointing!!

[@madfairy]

Like yes, she's a legend known for her chart topping songs and dance hability, I'm glad that she knows that

[@silkozmic9619]

This looks like the first time he listen the audio, there are a lot of moments where he misquoted her. When she says they took "8 gals" of blood she's not being literal and he talks about it like she believes they actually took that amount of blood. Then when she talks about Miley it is quite clear what she means, she's not being incoherent.

[@Characterispower9481]

I’ve seen and known a couple of people with bipolar. Everything for me comes down to this. She is being made to work 24/7 without days off yet she has no autonomy, there is no way that can be seen as ok. They can literally work her to the bone and use her money while putting her on a $2000 a week allowance, there allowances range to the millions but she’s not capable of taking care of herself. This is abuse, no other way to look at it and it’s legalised by the court system

[@nobody8328]

Could the court give the conservatorship to someone else? A neutral party who would do a minimum of interfering? If she's so ill that she can't choose her own dance moves or pick her own lawyer, why is she OK to perform and tour? 🤔

[@staceyann1180]

I think that's an extremely fair question. If she had cycled through 20 conservators and cried conspiracy at each, I could understand the court's hesitation to remove the current conservator. But that simply isn't the case here. All I hear is a frustrated woman who feels trapped and asking for help.

[@Cameron_F]

Another management company has been brought in as a joint conservator of her estate. It's currently a joint conservatorship because of the complexity of her estate so there needs to be some knowledge transfer, at least that is the reasoning of the court.

[@illuminaughty9124]

Most normal guardianship (our state’s equivalent) if the person wants a new guardian try get a new guardian, normally a bank if they are unsure of who they want but don’t want to work with their guardian anymore. But here, instead of letting that happen, her father keeps fighting against her legally. I’ve never seen that happen ever… and all I do is work with individuals with disabilities.

[@nobody8328]

@@illuminaughty9124 I can't understand why the judge won't help her. The statement I read was basically an exercise in how to say "get tf outta my face" in legalese. The current arrangement is obviously not benefiting her, and quite possibly making things worse. Anyone fighting against the person he has control over should be a flashing red neon warning sign. I'm a dog groomer, and even I can see that. I don't know much about her music, but my heart goes out to that young woman. She seems to have no agency or advocates at all. Do you know if guardianships monitored by anyone? Or can the person in charge do whatever they want without oversight? How does one get out of that sort of arrangement without a lawyer or even an advocate?

[@lightscamerasashley.]

whether a conservatorship is necessary or not, what has been done to Britney is disgusting & wrong. normalize taking victims seriously.

[@LittleMissMorningstar]

When she said “necked” instead of naked, my country heart was very happy. I have been made fun of my whole life for saying it like her and I’ve tried to change it. Might as well embrace it.

[@lulutwentytwo]

I couldn't finish this video, Kirk this is a case which you either don't comment on or you deep dive and get the facts straight. It doesn't work to speculate when theres so much factual evidence out about her situation. Just saying, it doesn't take long to research if you do want to make an educated reaction video, as opposed to a disappointing one.

[@prtdiva]

But he didn’t speculate. He said several times he doesn’t know and the video didn’t give him any new evidence. Just because he didn’t blow smoke up everyone’s ass and hop on the free Britney train doesn’t mean he’s speculating. Hell, we’re ALL speculating because none of us, whether we’re pro or against Britney, know what’s really going on behind closed doors. I hope she gets her freedom AND I also don’t think she’s as well as she’s claiming to be. I just don’t think she needs all of these restrictions if people like Kanye are out here walking around free.

[@kristin123a]

But there isn’t much factual evidence for her mental health. Of course everyone including Kirk sees that something is wrong if she’s able to work this much yet they control her ever move. Still, there isn’t “so much factual evidence” available to us.

[@NatalieMarie917]

@Persis he mentioned multiple times throughout the video how & why Britney could be telling the truth. Did you watch the video all the way through??

[@fmr9009]

You might want to volunteer at a women's shelter and listen to PTSD women that have been abused for a long time. They sound a lot like this.

[@melsinki8]

Exactly. It’s shocking how many psychologists are victim blamers and/or don’t understand ptsd.

[@ghosticyuppy7294]

They are making money off of her. What does it have to do with her having bibolar? They claimed she has dementia in the beginning. Now she has bibolar? If you don't know her case doc, why are you disseminating false information?

[@paulap4675]

Absolutely ridiculous.

[@melsinki8]

Exactly

[@toocutepuppies6535]

How much of this is just keeping her as stable as they can so she can keep supporting all of them? I've been a foster mother for a few kids who were very psychologically unstable and the State would do absolutely NOTHING to step in with conservatorships to them safe from themselves, and they were far more vulnerable than Britney has ever been. Given the amount of money involved Britney has a pretty good point. Courts sure don't do much for the poor kids.

[@haleymist09]

At every cross roads, Britney was given a heart-rendering decision: work or can't see your kids; take meds that make you feel off or you're sued; go to inpatient or management won't allow you vacation. Though teams of people and her immediate family DEPEND on her to work and FORCE her to work. This is absolute exploitation. I'll bet anything the dancers and concert team are covered by NDAs and have seen her mistreated. Britney has no one to speak for her and i can't believe her own parents do this!!!!

[@DovesEyes623]

The fact that the “team” could justify a conservatorship for 13 years and then when she gains counsel like she wanted to, and when he asked for all the records, and Jamie stepped down, that all of a sudden he said the conservatorship should end, that she’s all of a sudden not a threat to herself? All of this is infuriating. I can see this starting with interests of her well being which is why it was initially temporary, however I think the justification to continue it was completely motivated by greed and I definitely hope an independent team investigates so all wrong parties are held accountable.

[@kikirani7270]

Britney has never been medically diagnosed with bipolar disorder, they used dementia as the reason to put the conservatorship in place. Which at that time she was in her mid 20s.

[@Bee-uy2cn]

This is so hard to analyze. I typucally use occam’s razor in one of my line’s of thinking when trying to analyze a situation. “The most obvious answer, is usually the right one”. But in this case the 2 opposing situation are the 2 most obvious. 1. She is being abused, or 2. She is truly a danger to herself. The middle ground is also a possibility. She is mentaly unstable, but doesn’t require this degree of control. Or maybe this conservatory relationship was necessary in the beginning but is no longer necessary. Overall, in my opinion, she should have 100% control over her money. She made it. If She wanted to take all of her money and burn it to the ground, its her right. She made it. That is what i don’t understand.

[@lizparker88]

Yesss, thank you for doing this! Much love! I have been a Britney fan for 20 years and I've seen her suffer and change due to what has happened to her. It's so unfair how she's been treated not only by the media but by her family and handlers. She is such a sweet person at heart and I really hope that she has the life she deserves one day. ♥️

[@flipmaya]

27:00 I think Britney is saying that she feels punished for her past behavior while “current generation” of superstars like Miley Cyrus is not. Both Britney and Mikey Cyrus comes from the American south if that helps.

[@jackieresnik]

And Britneys manager is also mileys manager

[@Orque]

Also: they both had the same manager, Larry Rudolph.

[@AprilT72]

Exactly! Miley has done a lot of stuff than can be seen as "crazy" or shocking.

[@emv8869]

I’m not completely finished with the video, but it seems like you are giving Britney’s team the benefit of the doubt but giving little belief to Britney’s perspective....I also believe that she is speaking fast because she is reading off a previously written statement and she is nervous. One thing that I think can’t be debated is she deserves autonomy over her own body. She shouldn’t be forced to work- she deserves a break!!

[@tvaddict2543]

Yeah i gotta agree, its like he hears her but at the same is kinda justifying what happened to her as she ''may have been symptomatic'', I get that he's trying to be objective but like you said he's giving little belief to Britney’s perspective

[@TMTgirl]

It's not that she doesn't want to go to therapy, she's saying twice a week is too much. And she should be able to have it in her home.

[@Characterispower9481]

Yes I agree with you. Britney clearly stated she didn’t agree with therapy but would be ok still going just not 3 times a week and she wanted it at home so she could remain private and not tabloid fodder

[@kristin123a]

She’s filthy rich. If they cared about her what so ever they would get a therapist to come to her home. It’s not that hard. It seems like they just want to ridicule and bully her.

[@ninanano]

Britney’s concerned about another evaluation because everytime she had an evaluation the conservatorship got increasingly worse. It’s not that she’s hiding anything, it’s that she’s scared that her situation might get worse, which is very possible specially now that she has publicly defied the conservatorship and they might be pissed at her. They have repeatedly made her suffer consequences for being defiant and more than a decades after the conservatorship started this has been her strongest response. At this point, the conservatorship sounds terrible enough and I can’t imagine having to fear the consequences for speaking up, and I’m sure she still left a lot of horrible things out on that hearing. She also easily admitted by herself that she would like to get therapy because she know she could use it - and who wouldn’t after being put through that. This isn’t a “mental health patient that would be dangerous without supervision” situation, not even one bit.

[@annieclarf5367]

I must admit, I’m really confused about why you’re talking about bipolar so much when no one has ever claimed that that is her diagnosis, nor is her conservatorship tied to any medical capacity declaration. Like, we may speculate about people on reality shows having mental illnesses, but you never really go off talking about them. But here you are kind of reading this entire thing through the lens of “she is bipolar”. I’m having trouble making sense of it. I feel like with almost anyone else you would only talk about mental illness they themselves said they had

[@paulap4675]

Yes exactly!!!! She’s never even been confirmed as having any mental disorder that I know of.

[@inubakablog]

He has watched Britney stuff before and speculated this. It's speculation.

[@annieclarf5367]

@@inubakablog yeah but like.. why? He doesn’t speculate anyone else he watches has bipolar or any other disorder unless they themselves state it (like Trisha Paytas)

[@inubakablog]

@@annieclarf5367 he speculates a lot about people on reality shows like 90 day fiance, especially with anxiety and schemas.

[@annieclarf5367]

@@inubakablog not mood disorders or mental illness. I am a patron and listen to his podcast daily. I don’t recall him speculating baselessly this way. No one has ever said she has bipolar disorder ETA: also to me there is a big difference between speculating on someone’s attachment style and speculating that someone alleging abuse could be experiencing delusions

[@pauletteorhii8200]

whether or not she is actually bipolar, there is a case to be made that the conservatorship is still wrong and I would've love to see more of that angle

[@ghostfrequencies]

there are a lot of disabled folks already talking about this right now, if you seek them out

[@pauletteorhii8200]

@@ghostfrequencies I am very much aware of the discourse which is why i brought it up

[@stitchlightly5995]

"A third party who is not being paid by either side." The problem is that Britney is PAYING FOR BOTH SIDES. The entire conservatorship is funded by Britney's career.

[@kerryannhughes2367]

She is reading from sheets of paper, she is clearly flustered, she is a naturally shy woman, she is nervous and terrified. She does not have bipolar. Im confused on why you spoke about it for 90% of the video? Very disrespectful and it comes across like you just see her as crazy anyway.

[@deinellpugs]

Exactly

[@nicnonya5239]

He's a doctor and your are not

[@kerryannhughes2367]

@@nicnonya5239 a really bad one from the sound of this

[@kierbelly7756]

This is about human rights for disabled, neurodivergent, and mentally ill people. Period.