Britney Spears Documentary #4 - (Father Jamie) - Therapist Reacts

[@francescamolino6001]

She can't hire her own lawyer but she can memorize 90 mins of choreography, she can travel all around the world, be a judge on x factor, and teach dance class to kids.......

[@annapaulamf]

preach 👏🏻👏🏻

[@TheBreechie]

Regardless of whether she can or can engage a lawyer, the conservatorship is set up so she can’t even if she develops the capacity. Her father can choose the best lawyers he wants and she is technically forced to use court appointed legal help.... It’s the fact her mum is involved that has helped level the playing field allowing her to secure more personalised legal services

[@pepperjo8252]

@@annapaulamf She can perform 97 public concerts in 2009 and gross $198,310,000. Hmmmmmm

[@annastacialong3619]

She has no control of her money.

[@kori_88]

She wasn’t able to hire a lawyer in the midst of her mental breakdown. All of the things you mentioned happened years after.

[@apollojakenwill]

Notice how respectful the paparazzi are to Jamie, calling him sir, no ones pushing him, etc. possibly because he’s a man? Just gross.

[@jasminehouston-burns1691]

Or because no one knows who he is. Anecdotal proof is bad enough, but it's even worse when it's vague speculation that isn't proof of anything, just imposing some completely unfounded narrative.

[@ktsb1563]

@@jasminehouston-burns1691 i mean its possible they feel more powerful than britney and are more apprehensive when it comes to a man

[@viviyinn]

abolish paparazzi they have done nothing good for society /halfjoking

[@jackielehman8945]

Great point!!

[@craz4jaymz]

Or because he's an old man? Men do get harassed by the paparazzi so your observation doesn't make sense.

[@Anmorataeah]

My great uncle before he passed away had dementia and he also had a psychotic disorder his whole life. He was very susceptible to scams, not really able to make his own decisions, and pretty severely mentally ill to the point where we worried for his safety. So my family tried to get a conservatorship for him, because we cared about him. We lost. Right after that, he gave all his money away to some strangers. It’s interesting how the judge looked at my very mentally ill uncle, along with the huge amount of evidence that he was unable to make his own decisions, and said “nahh he’s fine”... then the judge in Britney’s case looked at her, working, doing shows in Vegas, going on tour, etc, and said “nope she’s unable to care for herself at all”.

[@iloveyourunclebob]

Yeah, I have absolutely no faith in our justice system and I sideeye people who say to "trust the system because it works" coughLanceBasscough

[@jke387]

I smell cahoots and payouts.

[@bananawammabama]

I'm sorry you had to go through that ❤️

[@caseyw.6550]

It's almost like there's something wrong with our justice system. I have never understood why we leave decisions like this up to one person when all people have internal biases and are corruptible. I don't know what the solution is, but there has to be a better way.

[@liliangel3551]

True

[@urgh9822]

I find it kind of awesome that the generations that were supposedly going to be corrupted by Britney's style & " antics " are the ones fighting for her rights as a human being.

[@lucnorth8446]

👏👏👏

[@drewskkiiii]

YASSSSS

[@clivechiam]

This comment made me tear up

[@lucnorth8446]

@Mebra Flower, in light of Britney's words this week, I had to come back to your post. And it's STILL POWERFUL!! 👏👏👏

[@sunflowerheather7019]

Or threatening no contact with her children made her agree to anything. I also wonder if she was fully informed how reversing a conservatorship is nearly impossible when she initially agreed.

[@sparksflylove]

There’s no way she could have known... it’s so horrible. She would do anything for her kids, she must have felt like this was her only option, and not her choice at all.

[@bananawammabama]

Not to mention that any independent person SHOULD be concerned about their mental health and do what they can to both manage/maintain/improve it while also maintaining the safety of the people around them... Since Britney has so many assets and power it seems that she has to put her mental health on an even lower level of priority, below her children, then below her assets. It's really sad.

[@KisDraga]

its not typically possible not because of contractual agreement but because most people are not fit to get out of it.

[@cherishoneal9108]

@@AnaS-dy6xc and all Mariah needed was rest. Her family is trash.

[@emv8869]

I read that Britney wants her case files to be open but her dad is trying to keep it secret because he feels like it’s a family secret

[@nomdeplume2213]

Because it incriminates him and not her.

[@oliae2898]

Her dad gives off a really bad vibe

[@DeeDee97916]

@@nomdeplume2213 yeah, I agree. If Britney herself has no issues with the public knowing what's really going on, why would her dad be so afraid? Very Sus... 🤔

[@blueshoes915]

That’s a huge sign of abuse...secrecy. My mother always told me I couldn’t talk about the “family issues” outside of the house. I now know it was because it was all abusive and if I told someone she might get in trouble or someone might try and help me. He’s definitely abusing her and clearly took advantage of her at a vulnerable time, something he claims others are trying to do (projecting).

[@KP09101]

Yeah that was in the court docs

[@suzannem1135]

If her father loved her and genuinely was solely worried about her well-being, when she said she wanted an objective professional unbiased conservator, he would have been in favor and stepped aside. He could have just been there for her as a dad. He wasn't interested in that. Says a lot. 🙁

[@merricat3025]

That is true. Also I wouldn't want to have a conservatorship for somebody's money. I would much rather have somebody that knows what they're doing do it. Of course unless I want to rip them off that I do it

[@Meeexpxp]

YAS! THIS! 💯💯👏👏👏

[@bluaurora8635]

Per Britney, he only has a role with her if he works for her.

[@LeahLeah222]

I think everyone made up their minds that she was unwell, and rushed to make a bunch of decisions for her that lasted for far too long. She should be given the chance to prove if she's able to care for herself and children now.

[@sdidora5]

Postpartum depression is more than likely considering the 2 kids imo

[@Gibbygirll]

The court probably established guidelines and steps she has to follow and meet in order to get her rights back. My guess is she hasn’t been able to meet the requirements.

[@LeahLeah222]

@@Gibbygirll we dont know what the court has done because it's closed to public. I'm saying that this was more than 10 years ago, she didnt want it then and doesnt want it now. Within the past week she just got the opportunity make her own wishes heard. Can you imagine if your absentee parent had control over your life after you became a millionaire?

[@Gibbygirll]

@@LeahLeah222 I agree that her father shouldn’t be her conservator.

[@ashleyashleym2969]

@@Gibbygirll If so I wonder what the requirements are and if we placed those requirements on everyone, how many people will have their rights? Id bet it will be a small minority with their rights in tact.

[@TheGamingFilly]

Congrats on your feature on Men's Health with your Britney commentary! More men should be introduced to your content 🤗🤗

[@jke387]

Totally!

[@MeHoyMinoy-cv3ps]

He’s the best!!

[@NileshR12]

Wait where did you see that?

[@kmp820]

@@NileshR12 google Men’s Health Dr Kirk Honda. It’ll come up.

[@sarabobara8458]

I get what Dr. Kirk is saying about how its rare and what not, BUT you cannot deny that its STRANGE that at this time period this was attempted to be done to SO many other stars. Amanda Bynes for example, the way the media treated Amy Winehouse (no her father didnt put her into a conservatorship, but he encouraged her NOT to go to treatment because it would disrupt her stardom.) Beyonce also fired her father... Parental abuse, specifically of fathers over their female daughters is real.

[@annieclarf5367]

Don’t forget Lindsay Lohan. Her father said they tried to get her under a conservatorship as well, by the same woman who was involved w Britney’s

[@evanjuleen]

Reminds me of what TI said about his daughter last year... It is a pattern...

[@bananawammabama]

@@evanjuleen Absolutely!

[@merricat3025]

@@annieclarf5367 I actually trust Lindsay Lohan's father more than I do her mother.

[@JessieSamanthaEmily]

Courtney Love apparently spoke out saying it was attempted for her two. The lady doing all the convincing of these parents (of Britney, Lindsay, and Courtney anyway) was this crazy religious lady Lou Taylor who works for Tristar

[@secret_badass]

I graduated from law school, and from my knowledge of the law I would say that there are a few factors that make it extremely difficult if not impossible for a conservatee to get out of a conservatorship, especially if the conservator is fighting it. First, whatever the court found regarding the conservatee’s competence is considered to be legal fact. So, even if the judge in the original case made a mistake or was wrong in ruling that you were incompetent, all future judges will take it as a given that you are incompetent, unless you can show something like gross negligence on the part of your lawyer in the original case or evidence that was hidden. Second, even if your mental health has improved, judges are going to err on the side of keeping the conservatorship in place, because the potential harm of removing it is pretty much always going to outweigh the harm of leaving it in place. In other words, most judges will feel like it’s better to leave well enough alone than to take the chance of ending the conservatorship and having something bad happen as a result. Third, as the documentary showed, the conservatee can’t really hire their own lawyer, because the court has already found them to be incompetent. To even have the lawyer of their choosing represent them in court, there would have to be a mini trial within the current case to determine if you are now competent, with the presumption being that you are not. In order to prove you’re now competent, you’d need hire to experts to evaluate you and testify on your behalf, which you won’t be able to do without the conservator’s permission. It really is a catch-22, once you’ve ended up in the position of being a conservatee. In Britney’s case, I suspect what happened is that her divorce lawyer advised her not to fight the conservatorship in order to get access to her kids back. Especially after the incident where she barricaded herself in her house with her kids, her ex husband was likely arguing that if she had visitation with them again, she had the resources to easily leave the country with them and never come back. So, having the conservatorship in place would have reassured the judge in her custody case that there were safeguards in place to keep her from doing something like that. Her divorce lawyer was probably also the one who told her that she wouldn’t be able to get out of the conservatorship and/or that it wasn’t in her best interest to do so, and she was better off just trying to have the conservator changed.

[@nomdeplume2213]

Shes ok with a conservatorship she just doesnt want her dad controlling it. She wants an unbiased professional to take over. I really hope she gets out of this.. its legitimately killing her and hopefully with millions upon millions of ppl pushing for it that it will be the rare case where she gets out

[@Gibbygirll]

She gained back visitation of her boys at some point. I’ve seen many pictures and videos of her with her children over the years but nothing recently.

[@secret_badass]

Yes, she got visitation rights back soon after the conservatorship was put in place. That’s part of the basis for my speculation about what happened

[@hongwahliu5056]

@@secret_badass Thanks for your explanation, it sounds plausible. I feel so sorry for Britney and I wonder how she can ever get out of this...

[@rubyjemgabalog3254]

But I knew that her divorce lawyer also the one who recommends for conservatorship lawyer..But the in the end, the conservatorship attorney was denied because of the argument that she's uncapable to hire a lawyer..

[@MadameDesu]

For what it’s worth, I understand that ON PAPER there is a high bar for 5150 holds, in practice they are often abused by police to remove homeless people and “troublemakers” from the streets. The other category for the hold is if someone is considered “gravely disabled”. Police are not clinicians and use this category broadly in unjust and inequitable ways. There’s a lot of reform that still needs to happen.

[@jennyfromdablock183]

What did you think of your feature in Men's Health Dr. Honda? Was so excited on your behalf to see your content featured there!

[@goosebump801]

Really?!? Wow! 🎉🎈💐

[@quitebritish]

I just found it (can’t post links otherwise I would), that’s so cool! Go Dr. Honda! 👏👏👏

[@nicky132]

Yess, me too! 🤩

[@bananawammabama]

I'm sorry but even if Britney thought everyone except her lawyer was an alien, the fact is that the man is still a lawyer and has a legal obligation to help her. Even if she was accusing her FATHER of being an alien, it was her ONE request, did they even try to find another person who could look after her interests to be the conservator? It seems purposefully cruel that they would let that happen EVEN if her worries were unfounded and "crazy".

[@secret_badass]

I agree, even if her reasons were irrational, it seems like it would be best for her not to have her father in that role if she believes he doesn’t have her best interests in mind

[@aleka..]

my thoughts exactly it's basically torture - she's giving "consent" to the idea but not the person and it's not respected! Disturbing...

[@bananawammabama]

@@aleka.. Yeah, that too! She's sane enough to consent to a conservator... So where do they arbitrarily draw the line? Something is wrong there.

[@carter5548]

Hi Dr. Kirk. I just got accepted into medical school and in a bunch of my secondary essays I talked about healthy communication. I've learned so much from your videos as well as working with developmentally disabled adults and I'm super excited to use my knowledge to build a stronger bond with my future patients and ensure that every patient of mine feels heard. Keep doing what you're doing. We learn so much from you.

[@saski622]

Congratulations! That's an incredible accomplishment!

[@Amber-oc9ih]

Congrats! Good for you 😊

[@DeanBeanSubmmarine]

30:30 unfortunately "experts" in L.A. & Hollywood area are very purchasable... Especially in a situation like this where there is allot of money floating... I'm from the area. I also have experience. There are teams & teams of professional people who are praying on vulnerable celebrities.

[@katsand7933]

Yes. Also the last treatment center she was admitted to was a 1 star facility. Seems random to send a millionaire celebrity who could afford the best of the best and decide to send her to the worst of the worst. If it is so poorly rated it would seem more likely to be a shady situation, i.e. they would do whatever her father paid them to say and do related to her treatment and diagnosis.

[@nomdeplume2213]

Exactly. Our normal everyday, average experiences dont count in the celebrity rich world. Money is power, fame is power and together you can get anything you want. The celeb world is nothing like our world.

[@Meeexpxp]

@@nomdeplume2213 especially at her level of fortune fame and power

[@windynichya]

I always think its very telling Lynne wants Britney to be dealt with under Louisianna state law where she believes Britney will have a stronger support system whilst Jamie is adamant her care is to continue under California law where there is so much corruption.

[@sunflowerheather7019]

Yet the legal and mental health system doesn’t work the same when millions of dollars and fame are involved

[@lizliz4186]

Yep and most judges and lawyers have more opinions rather than knowledge of mental health, yet they make the judgement

[@tinareaume7484]

I agree. There are plenty of kids out there that are living with drug addicted parents, no food, no clothes, sent to school to get them out of their hair, and thank God. The schools feed these kids. We never went to school and ate breakfast and lunch there but plenty of kids eat their only meals at school. The parents still have their kids, the state never interferes because those parents are poor, spending every dime they earn, or steal, on drugs.

[@slavbarbie]

@@tinareaume7484 Are you for real? Poor people get their kids taken away more often.

[@tinareaume7484]

@@slavbarbie I have just heard my sister-in-law's stories. She is superintendent of the schools in a poorer area. She is disheartened by what she sees and tries to deal with. She is an advocate for the kids and the state often feels it's better for the kids to be with their parents. It may be a state difference.

[@faya6974]

Britney was put under a 50150 by her father, but she was quickly released before the 24 hours hold because they did not think she was unstable. Her father then tried to take away her children, so Britney locked herself up in the bathroom with her kids! When they took her kids from her arms by force, she threatened to commit suicide. This is when the father made another 50150 hold which led to her conservatorship. Im against the conservatorship but I can kinda understand its argument at that time. But it should be a temporary conservatorship, not a lifetime conservatorship. If you will keep her under a lifetime conservatorship, atleast accept her request to remove her father and replace him with a independent unbiased party. And if you will keep her under a lifetime conservatorship, isnt it weird that their making her work and tour the world?

[@Diamond-2828]

You should check out a Documentary that she did in 2008 i think called Brittney Spears: for the record, I think this might give you insight as to what was going on in her life at the time. This doc is from her point of view and it has interviews from her about this specific events in her life and it is very honest and authentic on her part.

[@thisismyinferno]

So honest in fact, britneys brand (her father) tried to remove all footage of it from public and KZbin.

[@fluffedsquirrel]

You can see it on vimeo.

[@nomdeplume2213]

I think the dad pushed the 51/50 to have an excuse to get the conservatorship. I think he plotted, planned and did it because she was wanting to quit. I think she wanted to just step away and live privately but he wanted more money and a way to force her to work... hes vile.

[@JulesA5266]

I'm having a stressful day at work and this couldn't have come at a better time. PIS videos help me turn the day around. :D Thank you for the videos!!

[@bypaller]

Here is some data for you: Uncovered court documents show, Jamie Spears claimed that Britney had dementia. Also, Kevin Federline accused Jamie Spears of attacking his and Briteys eldest son, Sean Preston. Allegedly he broke down a door to "shake him" while the younger brother witnessed it. Sean calls him "a jerk" and "a pretty big d---k".

[@bypaller]

@Nicole Its literally uncovered court documents.

[@tiffanywilliams3697]

Their reason for the conservatorship, according to legal docs, she had dementia. Clearly with 4 tours and memorizing choreography she’s doesn’t have dementia.

[@JessieSamanthaEmily]

Also dementia isn't a disease, it's a symptom of a disease. Like she would have to have something like Alzheimers or Lewey Body Dementia. Or like my aunt has been schizophrenic since around 30, but now in her 60s they have said it has progressed to dementia as a symptom. So she would have had to have a mental illness or physical illness that caused it to have "dementia". Sounds like a bunch of secretive bullshit to me. Also she wouldn't be able to learn new song or choreography if she was dealing with dementia.

[@1GratefulQueen]

I tried to get a restraining order on an abusive ex boyfriend when he resurfaced a year later after our breakup started leaving threatening voicemails the cops said it wasn't enough, then he said well even of we do an emergency one you have to go to the court tomorrow and put your work and home address and give that paper to him, it was so disheartening to not be able to get help and other people abuse and lie about such things.

[@BLONDIANN94]

Thank you so much for this series and your profound critique of the society and your empathy

[@elleon5288]

I'd love to see you partner up with a lawyer for these reaction videos! I'm a law student but a lot of what you've said in this video is accurate (regarding what I've learned so far). It would be fun to see the intersection of law and psychology. Lawyers don't get training to deal with trauma and clients typically need some emotional and mental guidance. I can't imagine how Britney handled all of this, especially since it was all being followed by fans, paparazzi, and basically the entire world.

[@emv8869]

Legal Eagle would make a good lawyer commentary partner for Dr Kirk!

[@elleon5288]

@@emv8869 Good idea! I know Legal Eagle has done a few 90 Day reaction videos too, not sure if he's done any Britney Spears yet. I wonder if they'd consider collaborating.

[@carolinaadele134]

i was involuntarily placed in a hospital for psychosis for the maximum 30 days. I was not threat to myself or anyone else. There was literally no evidence other than mildly paranoid statements. All it took was one phone call. The bar really isn't that high at all especially if you're a woman. Hospitals have "heads in beds" quotas where they get money per person they can hospitalize from state funding. It really only takes one phone call to a social worker and all of your rights are gone. I got put in handcuffs even though I was completely calm and noncombative. The police actually apologized to me because they "had" to restrain me. THE BAR ISN'T THAT HIGH. ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE A WOMAN. The system is BROKEN. My therapist tells me to be grateful they don't do lobotomies anymore.

[@lenitaa7938]

Why would your therapist say such an awful thing?

[@dkillian08]

Oooo, an early comment! I'm loving these reaction videos on Britney. I feel we have to relook how treated a lot of young women during this timeframe. In retrospect, we were pretty awful as a society.

[@GeoOTT]

We are very quick to control women

[@mayjailer9495]

Patriarchy

[@GeoOTT]

@@gideonbrown2366 thousands of years of misogyny

[@jackystar5099]

@@gideonbrown2366 I've seen it framed as protecting women from how harsh the world can be and also a general dislike of women and what they signify (femininity, weakness etc.) The main mentalities I've seen the most.

[@Discordia5]

@@gideonbrown2366 Have you ever met a man? If you're skeptical about this, you're demonstrating a lack of life experience. Every single adult woman it seems like has a story they can tell about sexual assault or an abusive controlling boyfriend in their past. Every guy I've ever dated besides my current fiance seemed to hate how femininity actually manifests in the day-to-day. They also want to manipulate and control. Every one of my female friends has had an even worse time of it than I seem to have had. Just look at cultural practices around the world- a lot of places cut off female parts and sew them shut so they never want to have sex because it hurts. Fundamentalist religion is always on about controlling women's every action. It's clearly part of the male mind to control women.

[@Discordia5]

@@gideonbrown2366 The fear/desire is to have sole access to her sexuality. It's instinctive, because they do not want her to become impregnated or injured by another man. But some people behave pathologically when acting on blind instinct and turn into pig dogs.

[@madisoned]

You gotta love Dr. Honda's optimism whenever he said "Maybe we see more evidence," "Maybe they will tell us"

[@Hannah-cd1nh]

I don't think that it should be overlooked when they said that the ex-boyfriend was possibly drugging her, and her extremely out-of the-ordinary life experiences as an adolescent. Even if you're the most mentally stable in the world, growing up as she did and then possibly being drugged- anyone would be diagnosed as "crazy". Everybody seems to be benefitting from emotionally and mentally devastating her.

[@serenahardy4457]

I remember when this was going down and thought maybe it was a good thing for the father to get involved ( I'm about the same age as brittany), now after going through issues of addiction and having a child I realized that she was unfairly judged and executed. The help she got (even thought well meaning) may not have been what she needed. Somehow she seemed to have level off but certainly not fully recovered

[@merricat3025]

I'm much older than Brittany. I remember this went down and I thought it was good to that our family was helping. She definitely needed some sort of help but in retrospect this isn't working

[@steampunk_willy]

I really appreciate the commentary you are offering, especially when it comes to humanizing Britney and what she may have been going through. There are some things that either the doc didn't clarify or that got missed: -Federline only won emergency sole physical custody, but Britney maintained visitation rights indicating a dangerous environment was the issue more than the mother's risk of harm to her children. -The restraining order on Lufti (who was her "manager") a 5-year restraining stay-away order (one more of which was issued and likely another one soon). A temporary restraining order (TRO) lasts roughly 14 days which is why it has a low threshold. A 5-year restraining order is the maximum length of time for an order requiring substantive evidence and it has been issued twice now. The court documents describe extremely manipulative behavior like drugging food, hiding her dog to make her panic then show up to "save the day", and bragging to Britney's mom that he "owned everyone around Britney" including security, her attorney, her boyfriend, etc. The man is an absolute demon. -The 5051 was likely related to getting Britney to a hospital because she was being drugged. She likely would not have been cooperative, nor was she incapacitated, and she seemed to be in fear for her child's life. -The documentary is a bit misleading in how it presents Britney's cooperativeness with the conservatorship (mostly because Vivian Thoreen was the only person actually involved in the proceeding and cannot talk about them due to privilege). The court appointed a highly qualified lawyer to represent Britney in litigation and another highly qualified lawyer as the court's independent investigator. The first attorney claiming to represent Britney (the attorney lufti "owned") appeared to have misled her about the proceedings which is why he was issued a restraining order and disbarred. I'm guessing he convinced her that "someone else" should be her conservator (like maybe him or that lufti guy). You can imagine why a judge would want to be sure Britney was represented by competent, ethical counsel and did not want to recognize the second lawyer (the one in the doc) Britney hired as her counsel in an abundance of caution. Later court documents explain that Britney had misunderstood what would happen in the proceedings or what a conservatorship was, but that she was cooperative after learning the reality. In the years since, Britney has described the conservatorship as necessary at first, though she has not spoken about it beyond that. Last fall, the court investigator who is effectively Britney's counsel explained a plan behind the conservatorship and implied that she is a conservatee voluntarily retaining the right to petition for an end to the conservatorship in the future. -Britney has implied she has an anxiety mood disorder describing numerous situations of serious anxiety issues and crediting anxiety for a lot of 2007. It was also reported that she has ADHD and stopped treatment in 2008 because of medication contraindications (seems to be credible reporting since anxiety/depression medications often have contraindications with stimulants and she had yet to reveal her history with anxiety). All of this is to say that she seems to be a perfectly competent person who was brutalized by the press and horribly manipulated by truly toxic individuals. My guess is she has yet to petition for an end to her conservatorship because it appears to be a condition of her de facto custody arrangement with her ex-husband (he seems to have changed the agreement unilaterally a lot in recent years), but that is only my speculation.

[@JemIsMyName-o]

I think that the courts should appoint an advocate or guardian ad litem for anyone in a situation like this. We all would really benefit if the system was set up to help and heal.

[@craftingranger7552]

She was set up when she was put under a 5150. She essentially didn't want to be separated from her kids so she locked herself in the bathroom with Jayden I think. Everyone at the door of the bathroom everyone kept telling her the police are leaving, stay in there. They then left her alone for the police to interact with her. She never wanted it to get that far. She was willing to give up her career at that point for her children and she was set up and had them taken from her. At this point in her life all she was doing was being a mother. Also Doctor Phil said she cabable. She never got formally diagnosed with anything that would put her under a conservatorship.

[@buzzingabout5099]

After hearing of the paparazzi all on her face after being hospitalized due to concerning behavior, I remembered when that happened to me, I remembered walking out to the hospital feeling so ashamed, so lost, so vulnerable just completely embarrassed, i can only imagine how horrible that must've been if the whole world was watching, recording, taking pictures, documenting what i wish had never happened

[@Staygoldin]

It’s a good day when the video is 30+ minutes

[@carr0760]

Well, restraining orders certainly aren't that easy where I live! I tried to get one against an ex who was harrassing me, and found out that you can't get one if you never lived together. There was literally nothing I could do.

[@nomdeplume2213]

Ditto

[@merricat3025]

That's absolutely crazy. Could you get a harassment order? Where I live you don't have to live with the person to get a restraining order

[@carr0760]

@@merricat3025 He didn't do anything to me physically, so I couldn't do a thing. He kept calling and texting, and threatening to come over, after I had repeatedly told him to stop. The best I could do was block his number, which meant the phone wouldn't ring, but he could still leave voicemails.

[@merricat3025]

@@carr0760 could you get an harrassment order?

[@carr0760]

@@merricat3025 No, because he didn't physically do anything.

[@kardelenkeskin4530]

Hearing your take on the documentary as a professional therapist is actually so invaluable. I view the whole thing so differently now

[@TheBreechie]

Dr K needs to watch Emily D Baker break down how the conservatorship works. Regardless of Britney’s need, the structure disempowers her ability to engage her own legal services. Her father can secure the best, paid for by the estate of Britney, but she is technically unable to fund her own legal defence. In spite of Britney’s mental health issues or her current level of need, no grown woman wants their father THAT involved in their life. He can dictate her use of birth control and prevent her marrying... It’s such a sad situation

[@hiwall4883]

I think her father can get access to her medical records, but he can't dictate what medication her Dr prescribes for her, that would be unethical and illegal. Brittany is her Drs patient, not her father.

[@Tyda777]

Am I the only one wondering on the mother's part in all of this???

[@Sam-bc7lz]

She was unaware of all of it till 2019 and she’s been trying to hire lawyers now to get more involved and get rid of her father

[@thisismyinferno]

She wrote in her book she thought it had been the best thing at the time, but I think Jamie eventually shut her out from knowing anything. Especially since they are now divorced. She had no idea how bad it got, because she had no voice in anything. She's been trying to help Britney legally against Jamie.

[@daisyo.6666]

@@thisismyinferno This sounds like BS to me. Did she never speak to Britney about it? It's her mum. I think she's just trying to look good.

[@Tyda777]

(Didn't watch the doc) I dont buy that mom was soo out of the loop to help Brit.

[@caseyw.6550]

@@Sam-bc7lz Didn't know about it until 2019? How???

[@lindsaycompton8042]

I am an attorney and I used to work as a judges clerk at family court. The court is going to accept undisputed evidence as fact. So if a litigant tells the court you are unlicensed and the mother didn’t dispute that contention or you weren’t there to dispute that contention (which would be the case most of the time) than the court has to assume it’s true. The court has to work off of what is presented before it, not do independent research.l, that would be a violation of due process.

[@daniellai.9904]

Dr. Honda, current forensic psych student here. The technical term is called a CST assessment - Competency to Stand Trial. 😇

[@vilkaitevii1479]

Thank you so much for reacting to this documentary! Could you pls react also to Micheal Jackson's documentary "Man in the mirror"🥺🥺🥺

[@amberkelly8055]

It's hard not to see pure greed from Jamie, I don't see altruism in his actions at all

[@ClairesMyth]

Love this. Do more serious documentaries too, like this. Ty 🌺

[@emv8869]

I love hearing your opinion on this situation! Thanks for the great videos ❤️

[@alyssahallister]

While I understand your position regarding how high a bar there is supposed to be for 5150 holds, the simple fact of the matter is that they can be and *are* granted when entirely uncalled for, and can be excruciatingly traumatizing. Taking a person who is having an issue with anxiety, for example, and putting them on a 5150 hold, is like taking an arachnophobe and locking them into a coffin filled with spiders. And unfortunately, profit motive is one of the most common driving forces behind these, as programs can recoup astronomical fees from insurance plans, rather than the state having to pay for all involuntary holds itself. In essence, my experience leads me to believe that if there are people saying that these things were improperly granted, then they probably were. The judge who signed off on all of this has functional immunity and will never be held accountable even if he knew Brittany was fully competent and that the conservatorship should not be granted. And at this point, the statute of limitations has run out for all the professionals who were involved in evaluating her. Hypothetically, the records could be unsealed tomorrow, proving that Brittany was 'assessed' by a psychologist via half a dozen questions over the phone, and that the 5150 hold and all legal proceedings thereafter were based on a 5-minute phone call, and nobody would suffer an ounce of punishment for their actions. The system may be *intended* to work in a certain way, but there are so many numerous ways in which it is fundamentally broken that it is best to always assume that something has gone wrong rather than that everything has gone right. Lastly: it is overwhelmingly clear that the paparazzi and other elements of Brittany's fame and fortune were either responsible for her mental issues, or were triggering/compounding her mental issues. No judge that had Brittany's interests in mind would have allowed the conservator to require her to continue working. Imagine having a traumatic experience with some part of the justice system, having a serious crisis during which a family member managed to gain conservatorship over you, and then being *legally required* by the terms of the conservatorship to follow the conservator's schedule, even when that schedule meant regularly interacting with that same part of the legal system that traumatized you. How would that lead to anything but further and greater trauma?

[@maleahjacobs9678]

Fascinating. What a shot in the arm today. Thank you 😊

[@andreajordan8548]

Wow! The courts don’t even take away rights to see kids from abusive parents! What the hell?!

[@inesolujic2534]

None of the info that Dr Honda has asked for is publicly available. Britney's diagnosis is private and many of the court documents related to this case are also private/sealed. People have speculated that she has bipolar disorder, but that is not officially confirmed.

[@mariaoliviahumphreys4667]

Who even knows the truth... the diagnosis is probably from psychiatrists appointed by her father.

[@Conformist138]

I am very interested in Dr. Honda's thoughts now that we know there was never any declaration of capacity ever filed in her case. Somehow, everyone was told there was good reason proving her inability to retain counsel for 13 years, and when finally pressed to prove it, they just--couldn't. My brain is melting.

[@irelandevr4046]

I was involuntarily detained here in Maine and they refer to it as being "Blue papered". I was put on a new seizure med which cause me to go bonkers for about a week or so with hallucinations, mania and threatening to harm myself. After they realized it was possibly the new meds causing my unexplained break with reality they took me off them and within a day I was completely back to normal and had zero memory of most of what occurred days before. I was released from the psych hospital after being there for 8 days. Found out later I threatened to hit a cop and EMT but have no memory of that.

[@shorty001ca]

I don't need to wait 50 years from now, I'm looking back at it right now and I'm thinking what's wrong with society.

[@tinareaume7484]

Personally, I don't believe it's right for anyone or the government to take anyone's rights away. If Britney wants to spend every dime she makes on whatever she wants to spend it on, that's her right. She worked for that money. If she wants to go live under a bridge, that's her right as a human being. Her Dad wasn't in her life until he realized she might be a cash cow and he grabbed the opportunity.

[@SorbusAucubaria]

Well i would be worried, should she choose to live under a bridge, but i agree. She should have the power to decide herself what she does with her life and money.

[@lindastraub7542]

Dr Honda... you are a gift 🎁!

[@Yordieq]

Dr Kirk, you make my day! Hope you have a good one.

[@itskaybe6348]

I feel like when this all happened it is very possible that these were all appropriate assessments. However over these 12 years she has been healthy enough to put on a full scale Las Vegas show. From what I understand she is not allowed ANY of her money like she needs approval to buy a coffee. And over the many years she has been fighting this conservatorship being under the control of her father, I understand that the original threshold to establish is so high but the argument to move control to another person should at least be reconsidered since that has been a clear issue for over a decade.

[@tinylvis]

An adult guardianship / conservatorship can be terminated with proof that the impediment / incapacity either no longer exists or, in the case of a mental health issue, the ward has been successfully treating and managing it without incident for a significant period of time (as judged by the Court). As an attorney, I have been successful in getting termination for my clients, but it can be very difficult to do.

[@parkerisles7256]

It's great that as a society we're trying to enforce professional boundaries but it's still sad to see how the public still doesn't grasp personal boundaries today. Especially with online interactions, there's a population of people who think they can say or do whatever they want without considering how it affects others.

[@gpgp1841]

Few people have asked that already and so am I - how can a person be potentially a threat to themselves and to others and yet put under severe pressure (and stress) by performing/working?! So legally her father can sign contracts in her name so she must work????

[@hiwall4883]

No I don't think he can make her work, she was probably happy to continue her career up until now anyway.

[@cheyennetomiska7779]

I’m from Vancouver Canada , I work with children and youth with mental disabilities, social work. I was shocked how many immensely dangerous situations some of these children have to go through before being put into temporary or permanent foster homes. Of course, I believe most parents should have a chance with their children...

[@natirasohumana]

the problem with the "medical assessment" is that the Judge dismissed Britney's lawyer saying she had an assessment saying Britney didn't have capacity and then after the lawyer walked away the Judge asked for the medical assessment to be produced. It was never produced. It had been asserted that there was never a Capacity Declaration filed when the conservatorship ended.

[@JustMargaret]

Dr. Honda, I have to say I have a problem with what you said about the two lawyers in this video. When the lawyer who was representing Jamie Spears said that courts take conservatories seriously, you agreed with her. But when the lawyer who met with Britney said he felt she was capable of retaining him, you implied he could have been saying that selfishly because he stands to benefit financially from her hiring him. But isn’t it in the best interest of the first lawyer to have everyone trust the conservatory system? Doesn’t she also have something to gain from us believing her? Isn’t it possible that the notoriously flawed and unethical American justice system failed this famous young woman? Come on Doc, get on the Free Britney train!

[@windynichya]

Funnily enough the first lawyer has since been re-hired to represent Jamie.

[@JustMargaret]

@@windynichya Ugh, I know! Who can blame her? She’s probably making bank. 😒

[@user-fo6kp6nt5b]

It's horrible about the order that prevented you from treating the children, but I think that it's better that judges hand out restraining orders quite liberally. One reason that I think this is positive is because I hear all too often that women are terrified of their abusers and that no one believes them if they are abused and/or raped. I think restraining orders are one way for battered women to escape and hopefully without judgement.

[@LookMissViva]

This is absolutely so tragic and sad. I personally was given the opportunity to have a trustee and conservator 13 years ago by the state of California for being disabled for anxiety,ptsd and depression disorder. I was never hospitalized or deemed a threat to myself or anyone else. I chose to have my father as mine, his job is to make sure that I’m given proper treatment and has access to my finances if at any time I’m deemed incompetent and not of sound mind, which if at that time would be evaluated by physicians. I’m young I was only 29 years old at the time and I’m 42 now and every year I’m evaluated and asked if I want to continue to have a conservator. I can clearly see the moments when she is spiraling into a manic episode and watching her having to face that with all of the cameras had to be even more traumatic and scary. The fact that you can see in her post that she is literally trying her hardest to come off like she is okay after people commented asking her is a triggering thing and often times just trying to make sure we are not coming off as depressed or panicked sends people into a much more downward spiral. I see it clearly down to the exact moments, maybe because I have experienced this so much, and understand.

[@mch3j]

I appreciate your observation of the clear lack of facts in any of this. People make a lot of assumptions without any inside information or professional expertise...

[@Allison-fc3xf]

I think the term is orientation. Awareness of person, place, and time

[@annad9534]

I think she threatened to quit showbiz and her manager made some calls and ruined her life so she could continue being a show pony

[@siumahin9049]

Larry Rudolph definitely part of the gang with her father

[@jackystar5099]

Definitely think she wanted to stop. Especially seeing her demeanor with fame and paparazzi change after having a child.

[@mariaoliviahumphreys4667]

That infamous VMAs performance says it all for me. Show pony, as you say. Poor, poor woman.

[@tatiana.gazaryan]

@@jackystar5099 she said in one of the interviews, that she wants to retire and become a 'soccer mom' at some point. And not so long after that interview, I think all of this situation began

[@jamsng]

THAT PART!!!

[@EstrellaTarot]

Excuse me: min 18:00 how come a judge said that was ok?

[@AmyE91]

I've been sectioned even though I posed NO RISK whatsoever to anyone but myself - I was hospitalized for self harming- so idk if her being 5150ed was about her posing a risk to her children. Some states are way, way too quick to section people.

[@duckduckgoose3496]

This is interesting. I have an aunt who has the whole FBI is listening through the walls and in the toilets thing but refused to see anyone. She once disappeared, left her wallet, phone, keys, and 15 yr old daughter alone and was gone for weeks. Police found her in a public bathroom the next state over, could not convince them to put her in a hold because she seemed "fine". She goes through spurts a lot but won't see anyone and there's "nothing we can do" because she "isn't a danger".

[@AmyE91]

@@duckduckgoose3496 yeah, they won't do it if she didn't explicitly say that she felt like hurting herself or anyone else. Because I had hurt myself, albeit mildly, (by self harming) I obviously couldn't demonstrate that I posed zero risk to myself. It's unfortunate! Some people that don't have good insurance that had more severe mental illness, who I have been in the hospital with, would threaten to hurt people or do something really erratic on the last day of their admission. They did this because they were scared to go home or (or back to a group home or wherever they lived) and knew they weren't ready, but their insurance wouldn't let them be in there any longer. So they did whatever it took to prove they were sick enough to stay. It is a really messed up process sometimes.

[@hiwall4883]

@@AmyE91 I guess if the insurance won't pay anymore, they are discharged whether they are well or not.

[@anon3172]

Right at the start her agent said her father wanted her money as she was becoming famous, that all he was concerned aboutwas her money making potential. If he was gaslighting her, and this has happened to me, she would have looked and acted crazy. I was lucky that my therapist took an interest and spotted the difference between gaslighting and psychosis, but not all of them do. When I first called up, the first person I spoke to thought I had psychosis and encouraged me to "play their game" which pushed me deeper into the gaslight narrative. I was referred to a second psychologist and by this time I thought I had lost my mind, I begged them to lock me up, and was told that I was being gaslit. When I figured out the gaslighter who had managed to convince several of my friends I was insane, and challenged them they screamed at me for not allowing them to be the victim. This person confessed to me, on camera that they were diagnosed NPD and had done this before. I am still recovering, but my gut says that this is what was happening to her, I remember thinking this at the time too.

[@rosemercer7159]

Appreciate you Dr. H!

[@kimf1993]

How can she be incompetent to retain council but not to have council appointed?

[@jamsng]

THANK YOU! They plotting on britney just like they did Michael Jackson smh

[@caitlin6324]

I did a pharmacy internship at a level 1 psych facility and went to several court cases for patients. I was able to see the first interviews with the psychiatrist, the risk(s) to the patient and the court cases. It was very interesting to see and participate in, but I totally see where it's beneficial to society and to the patient themselves! Anyway, I agree with you 😆

[@sarahyarmuth267]

revisiting this series after her recent memoir came out! kudos to you Kirk for making the speculations as to why she shaved her head- she gives confirmation! rewatching this particular episode i’m reminded of an article i read about postpartum Psychosis. it’s written by Ayana Lage, and she discusses some symptoms that seem similar to what Britt was experiencing. curious if you have any thoughts on this, if you decide to cover her memoir!

[@lindseystein9676]

It really blows my mind that her father is still allowed to be involved when he has “allegedly” abused his grandchild. Isn’t there also a restraining order involved also?

[@tatianaoliveira2191]

Yes, Kevin put a restraining order against Jamie Spears, after Jamie abusing his and Britney's oldest kid

[@jasminehandy7767]

I wish you would do a video on Jayden doing they live Instagram feed talking about Britney Spears quitting music and how his grandpa isn't a good person

[@G625-s1c]

earlier in the doc they mentioned that britney’s mom speculated that britney had post-partum depression. we have no way of knowing her medical conditions but maybe she suffered from post-partum psychosis at the time as well. we do know that allegedly during one of the events where she was later hospitalized she was threatening suicide so at the very least it seems that she was suffering from suicidality :( i really feel for her as someone who has suffered from depression and ptsd in my past. post-partum psychosis is a condition i didn’t know existed until recently but i think needs more awareness and destigmatization.

[@morningbread1139]

I feel terrible for Britney. Stuff like this is still going on. Ben Affleck is going through this now. People outside his home, taking pictures of him dropping his coffee. Just leave them alone

[@morningbread1139]

@Miss Manawaka Since he went to rehab they've been following him. It's sad. They should just leave him alone to recover

[@emilykochco]

This could not be true but, basically I feel like this is not only tied in with her dad but also the record label she was working with which would explain why she went back to preforming, apparently she tried to put up some new songs by running into a radio station without any body guards and then shortly after she was declared to have a break down etc.I'm guessing the songs weren't on brand. There was also someone who was diagnosing her mental health that was supposed to speak in court that somehow fell from his window in a hotel two days before he was supposed to testify in court. The song was called Mona Lisa.

[@MsSera21]

Yes, this is the thing - it's hard to judge from this documentary whether she was treated fairly by the court and psychological services or not, because we aren't privy to all the information they have. And that's correct because they are her private medical records. I also understand where the "free britney" people are coming from because, well, she wouldn't be the first woman to be unjustly controlled via overblown "concerns" over mental wellbeing.

[@inesolujic2534]

I had the same outlook as Dr Honda on conservatorships until about a year ago when I came across a very eye opening expose about the subject. Trying to find it, because I think it adds a lot of interesting context and makes it apparent that conservatorahip abuse is a problem in some states and a big $$ industry. I'm trying to find it or remember where I saw it but not having any luck :-/

[@chelseapenguin6465]

22:45 what I understood from what the lawyer was saying, is that one of the criteria for conservatorship being that they could be easily tricked into giving away their details etc., whereas the lawyer was painting it as that she was able to understand and express a rational, ‘sane’ enough understanding of the situation, so why should she need a conservatorship? or maybe like you’re saying that she knows she needs one but just doesn’t want it to be her dad. Would be interesting to know exactly what the lawyer meant

[@nicky132]

18:03 Purely based on looks, I'm not suprised they thought the 27-yr-old Dr was 19 😄

[@JoannaEve]

Thank you for these videos I sadly can't watch the videos on hulu because I am not from the states.

[@sarahserenity3872]

I found the doc on KZbin

[@sharayscorner]

Get a VPN

[@MissPop93]

@@sharayscorner doesn't work, i Tried, it rejects the credit card even though it Is international

[@jackystar5099]

I couldn't find it on Hulu and I'm in the US. Found one here on KZbin just look up the name of the documentary.

[@kristynasun9828]

Thank you for this series! I'd love to hear you did a deep dive on Britney just like you did for Michael Jackson in your podcast!

[@tracythomas343]

So Dr Honda is talking about an Ex Parte order that a person just fills out a statement and files with the court (when he’s talking about his personal experience when he couldn’t treat the children of his client). The judge doesn’t make a ruling. He just signs the order and sets a date in two weeks for a hearing. At the hearing evidence is presented by both sides and that’s when the judge makes a ruling. It most likely was a restraining order as part of the custody case. A no contact order is a criminal order. That is always part of criminal charges that are either pending or part of a conviction. A protection order is either in cases of domestic violence or to protect a vulnerable adult.

[@YgorCortes]

In the report they initially checked a box saying she had dementia. The next docs had that same box unchecked. How can someone this young have dementia and how can someone have dementia today and not tomorrow? Also, how can someone who has dementia do full world tours, memorise extremely intricate choreographies, be a judge on an international talent show etc?

[@tatianaoliveira2191]

The chanel "Deep Dive" gives more answers about this whole situation... and is better constructed. It's 5 parts Realy good

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

The things people do to their own children for money is beyond disgusting.

[@hadizabagudu]

Keeping a mother away from her children is the worst thing you can do to a woman. My heart breaks for her.

[@nicky132]

19:35 Michael Moore, always my hero! 😇

[@minapetrovic5224]

Please google "Britney Spears dementia". "An early-day conservatorship document shows the pop star's father, Jamie Spears, claimed Britney had dementia at the time of filing in 2008."

[@JessieSamanthaEmily]

I just want to know what's on that piece of paper by a psychologist that we haven't seen happen all these years. Like we saw her her mad and violent once and also shave her head. Just the secrecy of it all while she continues to make more money for her conservator dad posting every day seems super super fishy.

[@mirjanapucarevic2105]

Yes what could be her diagnosis?

[@JessieSamanthaEmily]

@@mirjanapucarevic2105 I found a much better docuseries on this all by the channel Deep Dive after writing my comment. Apparently that paper was written after a 15 min conversation with a lawyer. It makes absolutely no sense. This lady Lou Taylor staked Brittany and also tried to get close to Lindsay Lohan's parents and try to get them to trap her in a convervatorship because she's a religious nut. But Lindsay's dad stepped in and stoped it all. It's so nuts all this. But this lady was able to convince Brittany's dad to go along with it all. It's insane honestly. A human rights violation happening in front of up for the last 12 years

[@megannapier9269]

@@JessieSamanthaEmily that says a lot considering that Michael Lohan is a trash human himself. At least he's able to be a father when the situation calls for it.

[@dafr3ak]

Actually a law did pass in 2008 that limited the paparazzi. That’s why we don’t see that type of chaos now a days.

[@makeuptoday]

Please analyse the new Britney speech on court! Thank you!

[@ashleigh9659]

I went to get a restraining order one time and the judge was like well i can give you the paperwork to section them but i cant give you a restraining order...like cool ya not taking on that responsibility lol

[@juliana_f_c]

Could it be the medical assessment was done while she was hospitalized, in a bad state? but the lawyer met with her after she was released and she was in a better place?

[@MeHoyMinoy-cv3ps]

Her Dad doesn’t care about her and it must hurt her everyday among everything else she has been put through