Broken DREAMS | TdF Stage 17 '23

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[@robertm1552]

Pogacar really needed a slice of pizza that one spectator in the chefs outfit was offering. 14:16

[@gregordonaldson7074]

There is footage of Ben O'Connor grabbing some after he did his huge turn up the climb. Aussies, keeping it real.

[@rct8884]

Me on my chesterfield - I'll take a slice.....

[@carolinacardenas8490]

I have no idea how actually riding and all that stuff is, but he said on an interview that he OVER ate 🤔

[@koosreitsma1171]

Plenty of critism on TJV tactics during TdF. In the end it looks like they were right. Because they didn't approach it by day by day. They laid down their tactits on the whole 3 weeks. So TJV their tactics in 1st week were part of their total approach in the three weeks.. And we know how many praised Pogacar and hailed TJV. A big compliment to TJV.. It is amazing to see how well prepared TJV has been and how well the health condition of all TJV rides still are. A big compliment for the teamwork.

[@DavidSaundersPosts]

Two years in a row that TJV team tactics were superior to UAE’s. And a different each year. The common element is using WVA as a human wrecking ball; forming a break, then working as a satellite rider to Jonas. UAE had no counter.

[@ghcheong]

I hope Pogacar recovers well. To hear "I'm gone, I'm dead" from Pogacar is heart wrenching.

[@bernardibrahim]

Yea, that radio feed is a la F1, i dont remember tdf having that before. Am i wrong? But thats when i gasp and dilate man

[@ceeesmack]

is training was hampered. he started this tdf at like 90%, probably. doing great considering the circumstances, it seems. but ur right, it sucks!

[@federaikkonerer]

No chance.

[@jean-jacqueslavigne3109]

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeedyep, and he will gain 25 mins back in the last 3 km if today’s stage. Running a flat and pulling 3 teammates..

[@tonyg3091]

@@bernardibrahim They copied that from F1 yes

[@stevenqirkle]

Amazing that 2 years ago Pogacar looked unbeatable, and this year he is getting crushed by Vingegaard. Makes me appreciate just how hard it is to stay on top in this sport - and gives me new respect for Froome’s accomplishments. And even Lance (yeah I know he was doping, but so was the rest of the field… and 7 freaking years in a row!)

[@charliedillon1400]

Plenty of world class dopers got dominated by Lance and Postal, for years.

[@termita358]

Pogi Dopi is juiced too. So you have a type 😂😂😂😂.

[@stevenqirkle]

@@termita358 lol maybe I do

[@user-bm2uw7gp5h]

Jonas confirmed juicer as well

[@eugenioitem4969]

Now, Champ JV is unbeatable!

[@kevinseel3258]

Today was the most riveting stage of TDF racing I've ever seen. I was torn and conflicted emotionally between enjoying watching JV just crushing it to TP being crushed. I respect and admire both of these riders and their team mates so it was just a roller coaster from start to finish.

[@drusek57]

My sentiments exactly!!

[@alvaropineros1]

Reminded me of Landis and Pantanis miracle runs..!!😉😉😉

[@timothyskattum950]

This was your best post race yet.

[@pizzahunter808]

Stage 11 was way better last year

[@andreatrozzi2657]

Felt absolutely the same

[@donhancock1721]

I would just like to say this has been the most fun TDF to watch this year. 10 seconds between the top 2 riders through 15 stages kept you on the edge of your seat for two weeks. Just an amazing time trial by Jonas. He said from the beginning that the third week was his and that the Tour wouldn't be decided by time bonuses. Seems like looking back now he knew something all the "experts commentators" didn't know.

[@dennisdeyoung5428]

Ciccone's polka-dot shorts make him look like an old man on the beach!

[@hansjrgenhansen7579]

Tadej didn’t loose the tour… Jonas won it! If you watch closely you can see that Tadej was exhausted even before the rest day… the accumulated effort simply broke him down, he went too deep too often and too many days. Jonas has a great team around him yes… but they can’t pedal for him. He didn’t win because of the team (only) but because he came prepared and religiously followed their plan. Tadej is a champion and if you don’t love him to bits as a rider I think you are in the wrong sport - his strength, humor and energy is mesmerizing but also part of why he is missing the last energy in the 3rd week. Jonas is gifted with an amazing natural ability to perform and recover, but I feel people don’t give him credit enough for his amazing bike handling. His downhills are spot on and especially the handling of the TT bike at high speed (cornering) is super high level! Can’t wait to see next chapter of this and seeing all the young talents out there developing in front of our eyes 😊

[@gideonmthembu8693]

Pogy is a fighter. He will bounce back, no doubt about that. Kudos to Ving. The guy is calm and collected. He sure is an impressive rider and a good sportsman.

[@charliedillon1400]

This will ultimately make Tadej more human to his detractors, and the grace and humor he maintains make him more endearing to his fans. Love the guy, but also I give major props to Jonas, who sat quietly and let the media obsess over all his rivals even after his first Tour win. Two great champions we're lucky to have.

[@tonyg3091]

There is a reason this dude got booed at the finish of stage 17. People know he is a cheat and a fraud. Jonas is Lance 2.0

[@kmonsen]

He is so graceful in defeat, no excuse and still smiling. Hard to not like a person like that.

[@Nyelands]

@@tonyg3091 Someone give this guy a hug ❤

[@mikedittsche]

​@@tonyg3091lol, sooo salty mate. 😂

[@nt78stonewobble]

@@tonyg3091 "There is a reason this dude got booed at the finish of stage 17. People know he is a cheat and a fraud. Jonas is Lance 2.0" *sigh* No, people don't know. People will instead ignore that Jonas simply did a lot of things better or right, as compared to Pogacar. On the Time-trial alone: 1. More aggression in attacking the stage. 2. Better cornering. 3. Better descents. 4. Better aerodynamic form. 5. Didn't make a tactical mistake of switching bikes. 6. Paced himself better and didn't go down at the last bit. 7. Handled the heat better. Of course, you can't change the weather or your legs, but you can try to mitigate those things via ice/water and pacing. And not just pacing in that stage alone, but your pacing over the entire race so far. Pogacar and his team could and should have done better. ... That doesn't mean they didn't do well. 2 and 3 in the tour de france is a great performance, but if somebody else does the last 5 percent better, then it isn't enough to be number 1. Pogacar is an amazing cyclist and athlete and it has been amazing to see him in this tour and he has certainly given it his very best shot, but mistakes were made.

[@richmartin1427]

Congrats to Felix Gall who probably won’t get as much recognition as he is due because his win is sadly overshadowed by Pogacar cracking hard. Pogacar cracking was so sad to see, and hoping he can recover and stay on the podium. Christian Van de Velde was on one of the motorbikes (the peacock one)involved in that little blockage on the last climb. He was saying that the motorbikes were having traction issues on that stretch of road because of the steep gradient and a bit of gravel on the roads. Since the motorbikes were spinning the tires, the Race director car had nowhere to go. This did not appear to be knuckleheaded fans this time.

[@TheWorldisaLIE2]

sad to see? not really. the dude still won a stage, white jersey and likely 2nd overall. plus he already won the tour twice plus 2nd last year. he will be just fine with his millions in the bank and his already massive marks on cycling history and he is still young.

[@RETO_fps]

his win is there mainly thanks to the crack of Pogacar, so anyway. the pace would be too brutal throughout the full stage for the breakaway to win

[@ghcheong]

@@TheWorldisaLIE2 Yeah, sad to see is right. It's hard to see legends of any sport down in the dumps. Like how it's hard to see Ali get beaten up by Frazer, like how Jeremy Lin says "I'm done" injuring his knee, like how Cavendish crashed out of TDF 2023. These are sporting moments that are sad to see.

[@TheWorldisaLIE2]

@@ghcheong not sad at all. and i was happy cav is out, that prick got some karma this tour he has been an ass to so many riders over his career. part of the game, they’re human and can’t always be perfect so it’s about time Tadej finally cracked.

[@billcoady4333]

So, it's "calories" two years in a row? Actually Pog was dropped twice in the Tour last (the second time when WVA was the satellite ride near the top of the climb). I think we now have to say that Pog's weakness is long, hard, hot climbing stages. Two years running. Also have to say that TJV rode like maniacs for the past week in a contest to see whether they would kill themselves or UAE first. I think that is also part of what happened today. Why did they do that? Because that is what worked last year on Pog as well.

[@bozidarsicel3884]

Tadej is great champion and even greater young gentleman and humane being. He is following steps of two of the greatest man in all sports throughout the history. He is carving his place in hearts of sports followers beside Roger Federer and Lionel Messi. ❤❤❤ My support and best wishes to Tadej. Congratulations go to Wingegard. 👍👍👍👏👏👏

[@dandansen571]

Jonas VingeGOAT

[@counselor5286]

no still goes to the cannibal Eddy M

[@AlanForkosh]

Last week, I was calling him Jonas VingeGLUE for the way he kept Pog under control.

[@scottperine8027]

Tadej was behind the eight ball with his wrist,making no excuses here,but Jonas is a returning champion and was much better prepared. Hats off to Jumbo Visma,this team is clicking on ALL CYLINDERS!!!

[@gobears6487]

Concur 👍

[@rulifaller8474]

Well you are actually making excuses. But gracious of you to also acknowledge the great work of the opponents.

[@stevemawer848]

@@rulifaller8474 Er, giving reasons. When I broke my wrist recenlty I could barely manage anything, never mind ride the Tour!

[@rickguerrero2282]

Vingegaard was incredible throughout the Tour, and Pogacar rode his buns off. The race was excellent and lots of kudos to go around. Wout Van Aert and Adam Yates were awesome, too! Great commentary throughout for Mr. Horner!

[@tonyg3091]

How was he incredible throughout the Tour? I mean except for the TT

[@perhaar]

@tonyg3091 If you don't understand that you need to go and learn more about the sport of pro cycling. It is so much more complex than just being the fastest at a single stage. Being here at Chris' is a very good place to start learning. Good luck my friend 👍

[@tonyg3091]

@@perhaar LOL yeah right

[@Nyelands]

@@tonyg3091 Jonas was like a big bear toying with the bunny. Looks at these big claws, what am I going to do with these big claws.

[@mikedittsche]

​​@@tonyg3091ou don't get into the yellow jersey by chance or an accident, and you don't defend the yellow jersey over the course of two weeks by chance. Have you even watched the tour at all? Jonas was incredibly strong on every single stage. He has done one tactical mistake going over the Tourmalet and thinking he could drop Pog right away, but he pulled him and gave him a lead out, losing 30 seconds. But even on this stage he was strong - just not tactically clever. On all the other stages he played it safe, staying on Tadejs wheel, because he had the lead and Tadej needed to work to get seconds back, not him.

[@andrewj3372]

17 days of full gas racing. These grand tours push rider's bodies to the maximum. Human bodies are not machines.... sometimes things just don't go right. Nothing to do with lack of discipline, training, prep, or will power. It's just being human. It's heartbreaking and it's beautiful.

[@nt78stonewobble]

Well, discipline, training, prep and will power all play a part, but you can never guarantee the outcome. Weather, illness, injury, crash etc. can ruin it all in a split second.

[@epincion]

Chris, that crash by Tadej did affect him but to me the real question is why did a superb bike handler make such a rookie error as overlapping wheels in the first 10km of a race? The answer is that he was distracted and not focused. There are likely a number of reasons that worked together to make him unattentive like that - sickness (observers noted a cold sore on his lip on the Jou Plane, he talked of eating well but the food ‘stayed in his stomach and never went to his legs’) and also the psychological shock of his huge loss the day before in the ITT. So the crash was the straw that broke the camels back but it only happened because he was not in full form. As to Simon Yates poor descent after crossing the last KOM he was asked about that and said ‘mate I was cross-eyed from fatigue chasing Felix up the mountain and could barely stay on my bike on the descent’

[@bihlygoat]

I just re-watched the footage of Tadej’s crash near the beginning. Nans in front of him stood up and moved very slightly to the right. I think the crash was 99% Tadej’s fault, which I guess is good because it would suck if he got injured due to no fault of his own. But as most know, when you stand suddenly it throws your bike back. I’m not sure Tadej was overlapping wheels until Nans stood up quickly.

[@OrganicSearchStandards]

Heartbreaking! Tadej shared just how demolished he was during his post-race interview dropping the F-bomb!

[@lesflynn4455]

"How at you feeling after the stage Tadej?" "F****d."

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

💀☠️🥲🦋

[@AurioDK]

In Europe saying "fuck" is not a bomb, that´s an American thing. You can write "fuck" on the front of the Danish national newspaper and no one cares.

[@stevemawer848]

I don't understand why comentators have to apologise for riders' language - it just draws more attention to it, and is patronising.

[@reverseclipse]

I'd say the same

[@sarathguttikonda4065]

Marc soler standing by his leader was awesome to see it was heart breaking to hear those words from him but he's a rider who is fun to watch gracious in defeat but what a show this tour was hope he recovers well those words hit me even harder for me who's battling with depression and suicidal thoughts whether it's cycling or life when one loses his strength it's tough . It was bit more personal to me than i thought hope he comes back stronger

[@davids1033]

Solar was a good team rider today.

[@jean-jacqueslavigne3109]

Well, we are heading for a draw: 2 TDFs each. 2024 will be absolutely riveting.

[@acemodean]

Chris, csn we get a marc soler shout out? He has actually been a good team member this race.

[@jerrycornelius4534]

Him arriving across the finish line with his hand on Pogi's back was a very emotional moment.

[@counselor5286]

Yep props to him not once did he put himself ahead of the team

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

I have talked with his DS and everyone likes Soler on UAE he told me. I don’t believe he’s ever racing to hurt his teammates. So many times a rider thinks that by being in front it always helps your teammates behind but that’s not often the case. 🤔🦋👊

[@cjcrrazy]

Kudo’s to my Aussie riders Ben O’Connor, Chris Harper and Jack Haig for sacrificing and helping their respective leaders to 1st , 2nd and 3rd on the stage.

[@epincion]

It was great watching O’Connor & Haig who have known each other and ridden together since junior days & now both at WT level and on different teams come together on the long slog up the bottom two thirds of the last climb.

[@euniceoguba1424]

Every body underestimated Vingegard, am glad he proved to the world he is the best at this time. And he did it alone.. Congratulations to Jonas Vingegard.

[@TebaloKokozela]

Everyone including Chris Horner, Until yesterday Jonas was number 4/5 on his list and kept making statements like "Tadej is the number rider in the world...", 'I still believe Tadej is going to win this Tour de France... "

[@swisstopia]

It’s “everybody”. I didn’t underestimate Jonas; just needed more convincing. He also didn’t “do it alone”. He had the best team ever, lead the way. 🦋

[@joowsty]

I think personally that he has some kind of health issue, like a cold or even flu, or a bacterial infection (maybe with antibiotics like you said), cuz when i look at pogacar since sunday i feel he doesnt look as fresh as earlier and for sure not as fresh as Vingegaard. already on that stage where Pogacar couldnt get rid of vingegaard on saturday and he was surprised by Vingegaard starting his sprint for the boni seconds, i felt like Pogacar isnt like he was in the mountain stages earlier in the Tour. you can also see his eyes are a bit more empty looking since sunday. but could ofcourse also be fatigue, but i wouldnt be surprised if he abandons in the next couple stages due to illness.

[@chicoh22a]

Your late Chris,been waiting all day for you 🦋

[@pixym]

He has to edit his video…

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

It was a big stage and lot to digest. But a good one. I still wish I could have done the video over and add more stuff. 😂👊🦋🔥

[@ShowMeThePony]

Said it before, Pog hasn’t looked well for a few days now. Bags under his eyes etc. Yates rode away from him on stage 15 while Jonas just sat there confused, following his wheel. I’ll be surprised if Pog makes it to Paris at this point. I won’t be surprised if he looses a position and possibly the podium if he does make it to Paris. I’m a fan of both of these champions and it sucks that it didn’t stay close all the way to the end 😢

[@counselor5286]

I noticed in his last 5 or 6 post race interviews he looks like a zombie while waiting for the interview to start. I sensed the same thing you notice, He could abandon, but hope not unless he has an illness, we aren't aware of.

[@emilioroman9853]

Well he really suffered this days, even though his number showed that this tour we saw the best Pogacar in his career on Puy de Dome and he could not just kill jonas for good, that gotta be mind breaking

[@epincion]

Two flat stages and one medium mountain stage to come and unless he is really unwell Tadej will finish

[@CFCMahomet]

In this modern era the teams and riders have nutrition so dialed in that we rarely see a rider bonk like we used to, yet we have seen Pogacar bonk a few times, so what is wrong at Team UAE?

[@kenhalal375]

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink

[@cincydooley]

I don’t think UAE have it as dialed in as Jumbo and Ineos. They’ve got the money, but their race direction and training plans seem to be a step below those other two.

[@Subcold]

Seems to me Jonas and all JV respect this race. She is brutal and being cocky won’t get you a win! Well done ALL Jumbo Visma. 2 in a row!! Champions for sure now and well deserved! 🐝🔥👏🏼👑

[@riseup3117]

Funny how people always look at why Tadej bonked, stopped, dropped etc. and never on Jonas just crushed him physically, mentally on the ITT. Probably did not sleep last night as he did his ultimate best and was still blown away. Also great to see how Jonas' prediction on the 3rd week was spot on

[@ninapjust7165]

Everything you have been criticised Jumbo for is what they have been trying to do leading up to today’s stage. Making the race as hard as possible on any chance they got. They have been counting on accumulated fatigue by Tadej. As they expect Jonas’ recovery to be better. They did it last year and his shape was even better this year. That is why they are okay with being called knuckleheads. I know things didn’t go Tadejs way, and it was gut wrenching to hear his I am gone on the bike and he is still very much a champion. But can we also acknowledge that Jonas didn’t win as a result of Tadejs losses but because he was stronger and they came with a better game plan? No?

[@marnixaerts8516]

I wouldn't use the word "better," but the team came with a solid game plan, and Jonas was stronger than ever before. However, Tadej did not seem like his usual self during the last week. Was it due to accumulated fatigue? Was it because of inadequate preparation? Or was he falling ill? His post-race comments about having stomach issues since morning and struggling to gain energy suggest any of these reasons could be possible. Did Jonas win because of Tadej's setbacks? I don't think so, but I hope to see them battle when both are playing at their A-game. It's unfortunate that we have to wait another year for that. Nonetheless, they provided us with one of the most exciting tours to watch.

[@krisbowditch827]

Agreed 👍

[@remkomulder5652]

Spot on. But accumulated fatigue may be difficult to understand by someone from the era of 'another day, another stage, another bloodbag - or two'.

[@krisbowditch827]

@@remkomulder5652 that go’s for pog too, please don’t tell you think he’s natty for one second 😂😂😂😂

[@ninapjust7165]

True, not better game plan, but a plan that suited to their rider. Mikkel Bjerg said that Tadej is not ill and in order to save his second place and not blow up completely he sat up they way he did. But this is the hardest tour they have ever ridden. Not a single kilometer has been easy. The last two tours has been spectacular. Hopefully next year will give us excitement too :D

[@gbart981]

Everyone has a bad day, it was just hard watching Tadej have one. 2 great riders among a bunch of great riders, that's cycling!

[@Zephyr653]

Massive congratulations to Jonas and Jumbo Visma. This TdF has been murderous in terms of vertical climbs and Jonas has been truly phenomenal. Jonas is the quickest time trialist and the best climber. Hopefully Pog recovers and commits to the TdF next year instead of the classics. I don’t see anyone defeating Jonas though as he looks unbeatable. WVA and Primoz should go to Ineos if they have ambitions of winning grand tours.

[@TimCeulemans-dx9ux]

Wout van Aert has zero ambition or ability to win a grand tour! 😉

[@ThisIsANameBruh]

Only evenepoel has done the absolute numbers required to beat Vingegaard. Question is if he can produce them in multiple multi-mountain stages. We'll find out this Vuelta.

[@michaambroz6148]

Seems Pogi doesn't really like heat and altitude vs. cooler and wet conditions. That said, the season he's had plus the break due to the injury must have had their toll on Tadej. There should be a difference in preparation and peaking solely for stage races and grand tours vs. for one day races and classics. Pogi peaked in the spring and it's still remarkable how much of a fight he brought to TDF. Chapeau!

[@rossbroomfield5199]

Can we appreciate that Felix Gall did the fastest time up col de la loze with the exception of Jonas. Mad breakthrough year!

[@larshansen4557]

He is amazing ,and Will be a cotender,

[@TheMrbrookster]

We all expect someone to crack on the queen stage, I just didn't think it would be Pogacar.

[@wildly_heather]

Tadej alluded to a hunger flat in one of his interviews. He said "I eat and it doesn't go to my legs, it just sits in my stomach."

[@davids1033]

Maybe Tadej needed to send his wife to McDonald’s every night. The Horner winning formula.

[@mikedittsche]

I have been there and it feels absolutely horrible. Your whole body wants to give up, it is a fight to stay on the bike - especially on a climb.

[@dennisbean-larson2403]

It’s strange when food won’t work, it often takes half of a pizza, whatever, but it has to be something that lights up the taste buds, bleu cheese on crackers, a small vanilla malt and some shoestring potatoes. They all might help one time but not the next.

[@dennisbean-larson2403]

If he’d taken any antibiotics, he needed yoghurt after.

[@davidfrye7713]

I was watching that interview. That could be an electrolyte imbalance. If your sodium level is too low, your stomach won't empty.

[@davidtreichelpppj5304]

What a exciting Tour de France ! And Chris' commentary makes it even more . Thanks

[@pablofmfdoc6143]

Miss you on the TV coverage, always liked your commentary.

[@ericvonhellens8822]

2nd Solerism did well today helping Tadej.👏🏻 This hurt to watch Tadej crack hard. Similar to when Andy Hampsten popped during the itt up Mt Ventoux in '87. Tadej noted in his post race interview, calories were staying in his stomach and not going to the legs. Hope he is ready to continue.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

🥈🦋👊🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋He had Kinesio tape all up and down on his stomach today. Maybe that had something to do with it. 🤔🥲🦋

[@jean-jacqueslavigne3109]

@@ChrisHornerCyclingyes, what was that about? I thought it was just some new kind of bibs

[@Roivee]

@@ChrisHornerCyclingSeems he had some tape there in earlier stages of this Tour too if you look closely.

[@rybolov]

Marc Soler's alignment is Chaotic Good.

[@vktravellog1242]

@@ChrisHornerCyclinge is being humbled for sure. Maybe injured?

[@billnoi]

My experience with some crashes is that it jolts you with adrenaline, your heart races to 100%, and then that leads to bonking.

[@christophergrulich1538]

?????

[@tonyg3091]

Strangely yes

[@tonyg3091]

@@christophergrulich1538 He is right, it drains you hard

[@christophergrulich1538]

@tonyg3091 I've never felt drained after a crash, I've actually set PRs bridging back to the peloton. Different injuries will have different effects, and I'm not outright disagreeing with him, but I also haven't heard of a crash-induced bonk - a high HR isn't what causes hypoglycemia; insufficient glucose fueling related to your specific effort does. I can however imagine a scenario where adrenaline would hinder your ability to gauge post-crash pedaling strength possibility, subsequently driving yourself into glucose deficiency. I would be very surprised to see that in the pro peloton, however.

[@tonyg3091]

@@christophergrulich1538 Yes I’d be surprised to see it at that level too but in general it is a thing

[@Mgoblagulkablong]

I hope Gall tries to go for polkadot jersey on the last mountain stage

[@secretagent86]

let's just say this has been a fantastic tour!! kudos to all

[@JB-ir3is]

Out of all the post race shows I watched during this TDF and specially yesterday and today all I see is people making up excuses for Tadej not being able to follow Jonas. Is not that difficult. He came better prepared and he is the superior rider, I don't think pogacar needs a bunch of people defending him. Let's focus a little on the winner and hopefully soon 2 times champion of the tour.

[@gobears6487]

Agree 👍

[@daryl4841]

Even after Jonas won last year's TdF it seemed like there wasn't a whole lot of fanfare around him. Everyone was still talking about other riders like Pogacar, MVDP etc. Even Jonas' own teammates Roglic and Wout got just as much attention. I wonder if maybe it lit some extra fire in Jonas. It seems clear to me he is the world's best.

[@nathanielnichols7769]

Agreed. All the fans are coping hard in the comments, including Horner. It’s actually pretty upsetting they discredit JV’s achievements by making excuses for Pogi

[@delightchinosengwa1431]

Its time to accept that Jonas is a better climber than Pogacar

[@gobears6487]

@@nathanielnichols7769Yup... watching the talking heads on peacock this morning do exactly this, like almost everyone here. SMDH 🤷‍♀️

[@HellaRandomVideos]

This tour is just incredible.

[@stevefranke3985]

Thank you Chris and crew. Shocking stage!!!

[@samichento1494]

You are the best 👌

[@adrismith4125]

Brilliant analysis again, thank you Chris.

[@francisdayon]

The mental hit from yesterday was probably the breaking point. What a warrior! Tadej did look sick. 😢

[@neetknight9954]

Yeah, that time trial hit, probably didn’t help his confidence

[@living4speed680]

Jonas is stronger, mentally and physically, over the three weeks.

[@roberthotter7008]

​@@living4speed680he is a more endurant rider, but: 5min? No. They both are just unimageable great riders with specific skills

[@stevew3421]

Thank you for everything Chris.

[@ultimatelv27]

Pogi needs to get into best shape of his life for next year's Tour.

[@Scott-ph2yk]

Jonas and Jumbo put on a clinic on the stage. Domination. Gotta admire the grit shown by Pogi. No quit. Great stage win for Gall.

[@hernanalvarado4260]

Thank you Chris for the outstanding coverage and explanations. 👍

[@israelmatz2444]

Dude I just discovered your page and I’m enjoying the coverage!! Thank you for the hard work!!

[@silentowlscribe]

Broken dreams for Tadej. Sweet kisses for Jonas! Honestly, I was watching the final 40 minutes and I was just in awe of how dominant Jonas was in that moment. How the 4th best rider in the world took over and ended any hopes Tadej of winning. With that said, when Tadej cracked under the pressure, I started crying. This tremendous athlete, cyclist who won 2 tours of his own, through constant battle and determination, could not overcome the advantage that was Jonas and team Jumbo. All that said, Tadej gain new followers today including myself. I can watch Tadej in ANY bike race.

[@TheWorldisaLIE2]

now Jonas is #1 best rider in the world.

[@palexander5090]

Yeah. I do NOT know where you are getting this #4 bunk from. This one makes it back-to-back! Oh, the idolatry is sickening.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

#1 since stage 16 up here on T🦋E. But not a day sooner. 😂👊🦋💪

[@silentowlscribe]

@@ChrisHornerCycling Keep up the great work brother!

[@MrGtargy]

I'm listening at 2x speed. Makes it ever more more exciting, Great. I love your analysis and enthusiasm, Chris!!!

[@cb6866]

Thanks Chris. I love his one word answer.....

[@jonk967]

Great break down Chris, this stage was crazy as there was so much going on, the car/motorcycle issue was even crazy! Just a large amount of respect to both Jumbo and UAE as they have really made the TDF this year amazing for us to watch! I agree that Pogacar was prepared and on form, as yesterday alone was an amazing run!

[@cowboybob7093]

Great analysis by Chris Horner

[@lorendieu9806]

Chris, Marc was fantastic today. The way he calmly worked with the boss, talking and checking on him looked great. Sucks to have to play that roll but it looks like he did it well today.

[@roblipton9121]

massive stage, Jonas is riding well and isn't crashing, isn't having problems with nutrition, there's a great deal of luck involved, Jonas seems to be having it go his way. It was very close until it wasn't, still a fabulous TdF. This might be the golden era of cycling, Jonas, Evanepoel, Podecar, Roglic. Astounding. And great work Chris

[@rnbv3418]

Soler is a legend!

[@dag1869]

Pogacar said, "I don't know what happened. I was empty at the foot of CdlL...I ate all day...when I recover (from today) I want to give my team another stage victory." Where in there is he saying the crash or illness ruined his performance? So why don't ya'll stop making excuses for the guy and simply allow him to be mortal. While you're at it, give Jonas the credit he deserves for being a great champion.

[@treeposego]

Well said.

[@gobears6487]

Amazing. Opinion: Jonas is a hard worker, all year, and SERIOUS about his prep. Tadej is talented and trains hard but isn't serious about prep on the same level. And I think this year that made a difference. As did Tadej's injury and missed races. Plus the stages/course suited Jonas better, as did the weather. And want to reiterate about the TT: world feed showed side by side videos of JV vs TP on the same parts of the TT course. WHAT a difference. You can see visually, *easily* how JV was so much faster. He was pedaling downhill where TP was freewheeling. He was taking way way better lines (he recce'd many times, apparently?), and he was in the drops/TT bars more. Today he was also spectacular, and I'm convinced he's been riding smart and saving the hurt for these mountains. Just... wow. Impressed with a lot of riders today, but while I like Tadej & also others incl the Yates, I am happy to have long been Team Jonas.

[@The2808erik]

Wrong. Tadej is as serious. He went into the tdf under trained because of his wrist injury and jumbo visma had the much better team. Sepp Kuss alone was absolutely incredible.

[@bricebossnyab7458]

Doping cycling

[@tonyg3091]

Absolute rubbish. Pogacar spent the spring winning big stuff. The Danish robot did nothing but hide and train for this one Tour. I am sick of this kind of people.

[@gobears6487]

@@The2808erik I didn't say Tadej isn't serious, read it again: I said *on the same level* including e.g. knowing that TT course.

[@mammasut8280]

@@tonyg3091 perhaps you should adjust your expectations. You can't both win races all year round and then win a GT like tour de France.

[@mountaindiver]

I love TP and JV. However, Chris, you have got to finally give JV some credit for being the better rider this year. There are a lot of things that could affect TP, but your inability to accept that JV could be better is a blind spot in your analysis. Hind site is always 20/20 but Jumbo Vismo has pushed the tempo hard the entire Tour, why? because it plays into JV strengths. If they can tire TP out, which was observable in the last mountain stage before the rest day, then JV could ride away with the Tour victory. JV has always said that week three is his, because the plan was to exhaust TP, and it worked. Please give some credit to JV and the long term plans of the team.

[@dag1869]

Well said.

[@holctomaz2562]

Jonas got the highest honor of being #1 on the butterfly effect yesterday. Also, i assume Chris focused more on Pogačar, because Jonas's performance was expected, as opposed to Tadej loosing substantial time to not only Jonas,but other gc guys as well.

[@krisbowditch827]

Absolutely.. Chris needs at least show some respect to Jonas, As a man, a warrior, and a amazing bike rider .. he’s a class act.

[@Nyelands]

Chris Horner has a nice flow. It is almost like a cycling rap.

[@johnwilsonlee1086]

after watching the highlights of the race it is nice to go back here for some spicy details we missed in the race. good shit, always. cheers!

[@johnwood1631]

Sad to see the tour wrapped up so quickly after a nail-biting first two weeks. But Chris's analysis is always on point! I didn't notice the gear issue with Kelderman. 🦋

[@towhee7472]

Jonas and Tadejs rivalvry has made these last tours so much more exciting. Looks like Tadej has some health issues (Why would you take antibiotics if not) and that is a bummer for us fans - I just hope both return home after this tour in good health and with a good spirit.

[@tinmachine693]

I'm impressed that you picked Adam Yates as 3rd in the GC all those weeks ago and it looks like you got it right. It would appear you know what your talking about 😎

[@pgy8863]

Actually, I think Chris picked Simon of the Yates brothers. Now Simon has been really good and climbing up (pun intended) the standings (maybe 5th?). Carlos has really impressed with his consistency as a young guy. Adam Yates' performance is to be expected, he's that good, but always better when he doesn't have to carry the pressure of leadership. Adam should finish 3rd. It's been an amazing TdF - often is dull and controlled by one super-team. Not this year.

[@darrylperry6029]

If you ever raced and put your heart and soul in an event only to bonk and come up short, then you’ll know exactly how Tadej felt. The only difference is that the stakes are so much higher and there’s millions of fans watching you. I have total respect for all racers at all levels (both genders) who put themselves on the line. Reminds me of “The Man In The Arena.”

[@scottblunt7067]

Great Arrow work graphics team

[@jerrycornelius4534]

Arrow game is 🔥

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

🦋👊

[@debasishnayak8610]

It was devastating to watch!

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

🥲🦋

[@parkerinparadise4110]

Pog did knee. Handley was crushing it before he came down. It's really who can stay upright

[@perryfeyk1449]

Terrific coverage again, Chris. I agree about the crash and the rest. I think I would add that it was, with that total collapse, perhaps a perfect storm of multiple factors. The wrist and recovery reducing his preparation for the hardest race there is, the crash for sure, and I have noted that Tadeg won two tours in colder wet conditions, and he seems to suffer more than Jonas in the heat. I have noted that when he has his jersey fully unzipped, it has always been a bad sign. So those upper 90's temperatures, which would also affect his ingestion of glucose and fluid, combined with the not 100% prep coming in, and the early crash on top of it, right before the queen stage with the hardest climb of the tour.......some days you have no luck. But Tadeg is class, and he'll be back. Thanks for your observations, wisdom and insight.

[@davidmcguigan5497]

Great stage! Great ride by Gall! Tadej said his nutrition stayed in his stomach and didn't reach his legs for the climb. If he's right, I guess he could still make a splash before the end even though he can't catch Jonas. Thanks, Chris!

[@chadhawkins478]

CH, one of my all time favorites. So many reasons why I miss your presence I'm the peloton.

[@peterk9243]

I agree about the crash possibly affecting yesterday's performance. But, Tadej not having the wherewithal not to crash on yesterday's stage also points to either mental factors after the TT defeat - or indeed physical ones.

[@ecorb6614]

Chris, always LOVE ❤️ your commentary on the Bufferly Effect and Beyond The Cover. Surprised you didn’t give more of a shout out to Jonathan Castroviejo. He did a MAJOR pull for the the GC Favs.

[@333wheeler]

I think that last climb will become important in all future Tours. Maybe up there with Alpe De Huez, Tourmalet , Ventoux , after a while . Certainly provided some entertainment for sure this time.

[@freebird61885]

Top notch as always, Chris. Not a preparation issue. Think he bonked and is just psychologically out of it.

[@TheWorldisaLIE2]

and sick, his cold sore is flared and to me he has looked exhausted and sick for most of this Tour.

[@graywelz8637]

Chris, once again yo bring authenticity to an already phenomenal TDF. I feel bad for UAE and Tadej but I really like the kids on Jumbo Visma and Jonas. It would be kinda Kool if the Yates Bro's got 2nd and 3rd Portland Oregon USA 🇺🇸

[@living4speed680]

Jonas is just all round tougher, as simple as that Pogcar always had at least one day of crysis in his tour de france campaigns.

[@sithembisodhlamini5192]

Considering that he just came back from injury I'm amazed Tadej did as well as he did.

[@cheechorino3710]

Crash definitely had a part in pogi cracking definitely thought Jonas woulda put in time but everyone dropping pogi proves the crash took something out of him

[@jerrycornelius4534]

It was great to see some other teams flexing their tactics instead of it just being the Jumbo/UAE show.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

💪👊🦋

[@oscresson]

Before you're done, would love to hear you go off on the design of this year's Tour. The view from this La-Z-Boy is it was fair and exciting, but it my look different from the Chesterfield!

[@paulsolon6229]

Pogacar doesn’t seem to be digesting his food. In fact he said approx ‘all my food was staying in my stomach and not getting to my legs’ You push too hard it can upset digestion. You eat food and immediately blood goes to gut w digestion process. You fell swelled up, and powerless. Only way I knew how to deal w this issue is to train hard w food you will eat during races. Lots of riders training don’t eat their racing food. Gotta train eating too, sounds odd but it’s true

[@JoshuaParks]

Chris - I’ve been watching every stage (mostly all the way through…lately I just watch the last 15k of the sprint stages) of TdF for over a decade. I feel I’m relatively well informed (after all I read your book on tactics🚴🏿‍♂️😉👍). Still I want to thank you for all the work that goes into this. Since we can’t get you commentating, I’d suggest folks (and maybe you should too?) watch the Peacock international feed hosted by Nico Roche. He also tells it like it is. Chris I hope we get a chance to ride together someday & pls keep doing this until you can’t anymore. I’m sure there are 1000x more who agree with me but don’t take the time to comment. I’ve been rooting for Jumbo & there’s karma for Primose losing to Tadej in the TT perhaps. But it’s still been difficult to watch Snoop Pog (Thx G Thomas for that one!) explode esp with the race radio. He’s a classy guy. Finally, you owe Marc Soler a beer or at least a shout out. He’s often doing his own thing but he and Majka earned their entire annual salary today & together saved UAE’s tour. Chapeau to both those super domestiques

[@wildly_heather]

Snoop Pog is actually Tom's nickname for him, not G's, but Iaughed when I heard that on the pod, too. 😉

[@JoshuaParks]

@@wildly_heather exactly. I should have said GThomas Podcast - got to give Tom his due. One of my favorite moments was when Rowe talked about how clever the French guys are in the break, when the slow down and the bunch slows down, and then they punch it and try to hold on. Another great source for cycling insights - and was even better during the Giro to hear G’s thoughts on the daily.

[@wildly_heather]

@@JoshuaParks Plus it comes out several hours before Chris's videos do :-)

[@stevem3308]

Nico and Andrew have been outstanding commentators and I'm particularly enjoying Nico's dinner plays!

[@JoshuaParks]

@@stevem3308 exactly! He loves cheese: who knew? There’s a GCN commentator who always has a recipe from the region but for some reason that always seems overly formal and over the top to me. I prefer the Nico way

[@larshansen4557]

Everyone that says he only drive the tour forget the thre stage race he has won before the tour , he is number two on the wins this year

[@asteele911]

TP looks to have had a cold sore on the side of his mouth this past week, maybe a sign he is sick or run down a little. Tough to see such a fighter defeated.

[@dutchreagan3676]

Btw, Chris. Wout (not Poels, the other one) went back home to see a baby come into this world.

[@peterderidder9922]

Pitty of Pogacar, Maybe the races will be more open now ???? It would be nice like you said yesterday, A tour with Pogy, Remco, Vingegaard and Roglic riding in annother team. Firework !!!!!

[@brianford8493]

Love my bike more than words permit

[@savagepro9060]

When a former TDF winner is relying on ill-fate for his competitor, you know it's all over! Go! Vingegaard! Go!

[@gassamadz2704]

So sad for Tadej. I cheered for Primoz back on that ultimate timetrial and never thaught he could fail like he did at such a young age. I hope he bounces back before another unknown rider comes to dominate this sport.

[@nungshipongen457]

Was hoping that pog would emulate eddy mercxx but he'll have to come back and be ready to do more battles with Jonas and all.. Good news for cyling fans

[@ferventheat]

TP jas had just one bad day so far, JV has had none, but he had two superman days. Thats the difference between winning and losing this TdF. I think Tadej has a health issue, he looked sickly in the eyes finishing that time trial yesterday, and the same today, the tank is empty. Plus the altitude.

[@EMC2Scotia]

Well said re the reasons, or most likely reason, for today's result for Pogacar. That said, do we think it's likely he'll be trying to win every monument next spring, or doing what a TDF GC contender (I would say) should be doing, and building the form to peak at the TDF, and only the TDF?