Broken Planes in the Backcountry - Idaho 2024

[@heli_yeah]

If you have a faulty ELT you have the responsibility to deactivate it. Unplug it / take the battery out, and label it INOP. Continuing to let it fire off strains the people watching for people that actually need help.

[@TrentonPalmer]

Yes, I did that as soon as I landed, unfortunately there were no good places to land earlier in the flight where it became a big problem or else I would have landed sooner and deactivated it

[@TenMinuteTrips]

⁠​⁠@@TrentonPalmerI guess I’m just a little confused. Two minutes into the video ( 2:01 ), you have a clip of your airplane just lifting off when the ELT starts screaming. In the headset audio, you clearly state that this had been a problem that you were well aware of. In your reply to this comment thread, you stated that there were no good places to land. From where I sit, it looks like you just took off from one. I’m not judging. I’m just Monday-morning quarterbacking. A couple of things I noticed early on were that for one, you already knew that there was something glitchy going on. And two, that you were formation flying with your friends. What you could have done is talk about the situation amongst your fellow pilots and agree that due to the need for further troubleshooting, you’ll need to disconnect the ELT. The problem may only be intermittent, but it is hugely distracting. Because you were all flying in a formation, or at least a flight of two early on, were there to have been an actual emergency, there would already be someone who would know where you were, and fuel permitting, could loiter above you until help arrived. Again, this is not criticism. We’re all wanting to know what we would do, or could do, if exposed to a similar set of circumstances. I enjoy your channel. Thanks for sharing.

[@Darthvader-oc5tp]

I couldn’t hear the ELT going off in the timestamp you provided. Having not watched the entire video yet, and not knowing entirely how an ELT determines a crash from a hard/rough landing, I would guess it goes off because the places he’s landing at/just took off from is rough terrain and the ELT goes off because it thinks landing there is a crash. There may not have been any place smoother to land at nearby to avoid it going off. That being said, had it been a consistent issue before I would wonder why not disable it and placard inop before going in/taking off from where they were. It may have been a new issue so that may be why.

[@car2069]

Lets it keep going off, multiple flights. Never disables it. Irresponsibility at its finest.

[@caleccopest]

@@TrentonPalmer experimental plane.....not a lot of oopsie buttons...i forgives..

[@samdye8546]

Two things Trent. First off, I really appreciate how you and your buddies coordinate formation flying, great communication and keeping eyes on one another, yielding to the other aircraft when they may not have great vis on you. I haven't flown much formation, so I've always been pretty dang cautions when flying in a group. But seeing how you do it with your friends gives me much better understanding of how it can look and be done safely. Second, I think you handled yourself very well under the circumstances of broken equipment/gear issues while in the backcountry. AND i appreciate you showing that in your video (not just simply editing it out). I've had my share of stuff breaking in the backwoods around Alaska, and there's always that bit of uncertainty, am i making the right decision continuing to fly with less than perfect equipment... "should I just call for a pick-up?" But I think you showed good judgement on getting yourself and your airplane home, keeping others (potential passengers) out of danger, while managing your risk. Well done, great video.

[@Charles-mp2vl]

Summer 1996 taxiing down the strip at Johnson creek our 185 broke the tail wheel stingers when we went to turn and do our run up. A storm headed in delayed any help we could get so we slept an extra night and a 206 delivered us a new part direct from McCall. You never know what troubles you will run into in backcountry flying!

[@fastfreddy]

Keep the channel going - I’m an old sailor (76), made your kind of decision 3 times. Every time I left sailing for shore and came back to the ocean I was financially and emotionally better off . My last gig was as a USCG licensed captain, built two houses and 1 business. All I can suggest is ; Go For It !! Your children will be fine as long as give them the love and parenting they deserve ❤😎👍🙏🤞

[@haroldtanner9600]

My mother died in a plane crash near the Jackson Hole Airport in late October, 1979. Totally changed the way I reacted to ELT’s. After that I always imagined someone freezing in a wrecked airplane waiting for rescue.

[@dianaj3139]

I love the 1911 cabin near the water... Just an amazing place! The water looked so refreshing! What a nice guy to give you a lift down to the water's edge! Sorry about the little mechanical issues but I think the type of flying you guys do is just part of the game! Awesome trip over all!

[@GrimshawAviation]

This is the best advertisement for the sale of the plane 😂

[@theresacaron4238]

I wonder what aircraft he'll replace the Freedom Fox with. A Katmai 182 with the big engine would do the job and get in to the places he likes to go to.

[@joesacher]

@@theresacaron4238 Bearhawk or Bearhawk Companion

[@PetesGuide]

@@theresacaron4238 Scrappy 1.1, so that Mike can build Scrappy 2.0.🎉

[@laynepalmer8690]

The freedom fox hitting the market? I missed that comment if it was in there.

[@PetesGuide]

@@laynepalmer8690 It was revealed in a community post by a KZbin guy, PilotSebrief I think. Posted on Barstormers.

[@chadwwwick]

Always stoked to see a new video brother, cheers

[@chrispbacon550]

1984 called and said they want the jeans shorts back! That was some incredible flying!! Absolutely beautiful country. Great video.

[@slam854]

That was a rewarding adventure. Thaks for taking me along.

[@cay378]

Hearing American Beauty flying out of ONO brought some feelings living in Boise. Such a wonderful song I’ve tied to my nature times.

[@CanardBoulevard]

Ditch that ACK. I ripped the ACK out of my plane and replaced it with an Artex 406, with a GPS fed from my G3X. Works great. I trust Artex, I have an Artex PLB as well.

[@MikeCris]

Word of caution...Artex uses proprietary batteries.

[@CLEAREDDIRECT]

Great to finally fly with ya, Trent!

[@tommydykes305]

As always the content is great, but the editing and story telling is excellent! Awesome video.

[@JAMESWOLFE-l4x]

I'm like almost double your age (I'm 74) and I played The Oregon Trail. May still have it on my Gateway Windows 95 machine! Dead battery on the motherboard, so it's a pain to get running. Also carried over Wheel of Fortune from my 286 . . . dial-up modem to get on line . . . beeeeep boooop! Ah, the old days! I don't miss all of them - give me FIOS any day.

[@nickwulf]

ALWAYS KEEP BOARD SHORTS IN THE CABIN and a large travel towel and flip flops in a mesh bag

[@navion1946]

What a fun adventure with good friends. BTW, my ACK 406 has served faithfully for 6 years. I note that you can remove the battery and de-power it. That was surely annoying for you though. Good bless 🙏❤️

[@randylafleur2201]

At 40:08, that was airliner Captain Smooth landing, so soft and gentle, thanks for your videos!!

[@philipjones9306]

One of your best Kent. Thanks a million

[@cookimnstr]

Another AWESOME vlog!! With the music and all it felt like watching a WM movie! Glad your home safe 😊

[@chrisgossman6512]

So impressed the cinema photography. It is no wonder why I love this channel.

[@danielmoss2394]

45 minutes of fantastic Trent content. Sweet!!

[@jeffley2523]

Trent love your content. My favorite quote of the day @37.07 "There some fresh ones in there" LOLOL

[@justinparker7795]

Always great to see a new video!! Thanks Man!

[@Zt3v3]

Those giant loop fuel bags are awesome. I carry one on my bike.

[@GlensHangar]

I have an ELT remote switch on the panel - can you not turn it off from the panel?

[@GlensHangar]

Oops - I see you switching it off each time. Pretty annoying.

[@circusfactory]

choice of music is wonderful !

[@garrygballard8914]

That was even fun on my end. Tks. Trent.

[@whiskey-sierra]

That green Cessna looks so much like my uncles old 182. WOW that brought back some memories! 0G, wingovers, stalls and spins - hell yeah! Great times!

[@patrickheavirland3599]

Good morning from Minnesota!! Great episode!!

[@gscott5778]

In the early 80s I was stationed at a NORAD radar control site in Duluth, MN. I can tell you that the sound of an ELT coming over our radios set the hair on the back of your neck straight up. Our command center had the Guard Radio always on speaker for just that reason. Late one night we had a ELT go off and everyone on duty ran to our radar consoles to locate the thing. Turned out to be an F-106 at one of our fighter bases that was being worked on. Big oopso and of course reports filed. So in case anyone wonders, unless the attitude and policies have changed, that sound awakens folks and they get to work to locate and provide assistance. We did have on actual event when an F-106 went down and that was the only other time I heard that sound. Not to throw darts, but; folks need to be aware that those things set wheels in motion and unless you respond that its a false alert, people are going to be looking for you to help and that could mean thousands of dollars in cost. So if you are out in the back country and it goes off, I'd recommend you self-report immediately, especially if it happens as you are landing or if as a result of that false activation you decide to land. Imagine ATC pulling up radar tracks (History) and it shows a plane descending, with an ELT going off. In a real emergency what would you want to have happen?

[@TenorDad]

$400K? You want the Bearhawk 5... it's advertised as a 6-place, so easily 4+bags. Also, you'll have enough to buy TWO Bearhawk 5s, plus toys. 😉

[@luke_atthat]

Great video again ! Thank you so much to give us simple terrien, a glimpse of the flying life ! I like so much to visit the sites you went in your videos, with the FreedomFox in Microsoft Flight Sim ! Could you help us by giving us the official names of the paradises you visit, or the coordonates!... please !

[@skyepilotte11]

Very nice backcountry adventure.

[@jeffbonvallet9480]

ARTEX ELT 345X KIT, WITH 2 WIRE SLIM SWITCH (8108) is a direct replacement for the ACK E-04 ELT. Our ACK E-04 ELT false triggers when the avionics is turned on (Vans RV14a). Wrapping in foil solved the problem for 2 years then it happened again. Many experimental aviators have this problem with no support from ACK. VansAirforce has many posts concerning false trips. You are in good company.

[@TrentonPalmer]

I read all about these issues! I’ll never buy another ACK ELT again

[@jrholand]

do you have a StarLink installed ? This could be creating an EMF field which can actually energize the ELT. Try turning that off

[@matthewnelson4039]

so awesome to see you in my hometown, Grangeville!!

[@GRW3]

One of the best things about you, Trent, is you don't gloss over the trials of aircraft ownership.

[@flyingturnip1]

Trip of a dream Trent, thanks for sharing it

[@dwykejack1279]

One of your best vids

[@floridian7143]

Thanks for sharing, loved the views, great backcountry!

[@superbill9066]

It was fun to see you guys hitting all my local strips! Next time stop at cache creek. Fun strip, but not great for a group.

[@Downtownsarahbrown]

This soundtrack was so dialed! (I mean, minus the cacophony of the ELT). But seriously great airstrips and awesome tunes to go along.

[@thechac0tac0]

If it’s an ack e04 then I see them go off like this all the time at my shop. Put in fresh batteries in remote and speaker. Avoid coiling the phone wire and route it away from battery and relays. After that doesn’t work send it to them they will change the g switch and hopefully that fixes it. Once I had one that I sent back to them twice and still had problems owner got frustrated and we just replaced it with new and it worked fine. There must be something they can’t test that is letting the elt go off.

[@NorthernChev]

My nephew is actually a Lieutenant on the ground working those fires you flew around.

[@mt2020]

What a wonderful set of backcountry places to land

[@Dan_Bender]

That's a Turkey Tail feather.

[@1hornet1]

When I was a student pilot, I too had a tailwheel fall off. Mine happened during takeoff. Long story and a short flight, I have a fun story to tell. LOL Nice video...

[@ggoodwin6202]

Hi Trent have a look at your right undercarriage bearings or brake adjustment, as it appears your wheel stops rotating immediately after going airborne while the left wheel continues to rotate thus I assume you are not tapping the brakes after liftoff

[@TrentonPalmer]

I ride my brakes, horrible habit, but since I don’t run steering springs on my tailwheel it requires brakes to turn while taxiing and I just end up doing the same thing when giving rudder inputs on takeoff. You’ll notice some takeoffs that I don’t ride the brake and the wheel spins freely.

[@charlesmartin1121]

Damn. I guess wildfire smoke has become the new normal in the western United States. We got a taste of it back east last summer. And it sucked.

[@josephstephen4295]

idaho is basically just a ball of fire at the moment unfortunately.

[@charlesmartin1121]

@@josephstephen4295 So is California and Nevada.

[@MTKARusty]

I live in Idaho. It's every other summer we get bad smoke at least in Boise. This summer has been hell, July was about 105 every day then when it 'cooled' to high 90s we've had heavy smoke almost 80% the time from late July til now (mid Sept). I'm yearning for Fall...

[@charlesmartin1121]

@@MTKARusty For Fall or some soaking rains perhaps.

[@michaellewis4632]

It’s always been the norm it’s just more noticeable because of social media

[@johnmarkey5470]

The Ace hardware cat!

[@rosstheboss8633]

good job FLYING THE AIRPLANE! Never get distracted w/ equipment!!!

[@energyfordays]

Loving these longer videos Trent!

[@TFlight77]

I am currently building an RV8 and have the ACK on my BOM to purchase for my ELT option later. I am now rethinking that unit after seeing this.

[@TrentonPalmer]

I’d definitely recommend going away from it, get the Artex, sounds like it’s by far the best option

[@patdough7515]

Trent … take a look at the Sling High Wing … you can seat 4 and baggage or remove 2 seats and have more baggage. Has the 916 Rotax Turbo … has SxS seating. Really nice aircraft!!! Love your videos and am subscribed!!! ✌️ Fly safe!!!

[@TwitchFlys]

I grew up on the front range in colorado and had an ELT Repeater on our house. we could see a large swath of the colorado rockies spanning from Longs peak to pikes peak. Can't tell you how many times dad and i would go DF a popping elt just to figure out it was in a bird flying down the front range.

[@rqstaffan]

Smoke and a broken tail wheel, I'd rate the unhappy ELT in there as the major thing.

[@aarondelafuente8507]

Trent, consider something like JP's Sling High Wing. It's a four seater that can carry a bunch. And they've flown those everywhere!

[@josephstephen4295]

aww man you landed at my home airport kono

[@kylec3dfpv]

Yes!!! Oregon Trail!! That's all I played at school

[@michaelsamson3276]

If you had a certified aircraft you would probably know there is probably an AD on that model ELT. One of the few advantages of the FAA.

[@KitYeeScott]

Turbos are definitely the way to go in that high, back country.

[@StraightTail56]

I just flew to the San Juan islands from southern Az. The smoke in Oregon was terrible

[@dwolfbauer]

Did you fly over the camas prairie near Fairfield, ID Friday afternoon? I saw a flight of 6-8 small planes flying west on my way back to elk hunting camp. Pretty cool to see.

[@fourdoorexpeditioner1570]

This video with another pilots perspective and conversation is entertaining.

[@donadams8345]

There have been many crashes at Fish Lake over the years. it can be a dangerous strip.

[@Squawk-VFR]

Liv'in the dream guys. Looked like a fun time (mechanical issues aside). KONO is where I did my X country from U76.

[@HollywoodRebel]

Hey Trent, what fuel bags do you use?

[@TrentonPalmer]

They are the Armadillo bags from Giant Loop Moto, best bags out there by far!

[@robertadams2857]

Haven't watched for a while. Looks like a good time and Good Channel

[@michaellane1316]

Thank goodness for Ace hardware. One motto that dares to keep Murphy away......"Always Something"...!

[@terryevans1976]

Nice to see you up north. Come up further and pick some huckleberries at Horse Haven. Don't forget the bear spray, ha, ha.

[@Bearhawk_Life]

Hopefully the new video coming out will give details about the new plane to replace Freedom Fox

[@jamesv2811]

Is that smoke out of the exhaust when landing @40:00?

[@EmergencyStormPursuit]

Awesome video Trent! What camera do you vlog with, and what lenses do you use? Thanks man!

[@TrentonPalmer]

I’m a Fuji guy, my main camera is the XH-2S and I’m running all Fuji glass, most of this video was on the 16-55mm 2.8

[@chrishickman9738]

Another great vid TP u guys seemed to have a good weekend away :) That ELT would've been pulled out on day 2 lol

[@jimcripps3612]

Great shots of your escapades in the Back Country. Only gripe is your choice of music . I am more of a Glen Miller man , so "American Patrol" would have suited me better. Regards, Jim the Brit

[@davidmeek8017]

Aloha; brilliant as usual! Mahalo

[@joshholt1513]

Did you play the color version of old oregon trail or just the green one on a floppy disk?

[@Potato_Man1776]

That jet boat only house is owned by Killgore Adventures they do Jet boat tours on that river. Making the house a party/hunting retreat for hire. My dad provided some A/V equipment for that project. Pretty sick house. Edit: my bad wrong house. The one im speaking of is visible in the bottom left corner at 21:37

[@travisk5589]

Dont ask how I know, but Trent is in the market for another plane.

[@dill5500]

This is so sick

[@davidxmcgrath]

I hope everyone's dogs and cats are safe. Idaho seems to be ground zero for what's been going on. Thoughts and prayers 🙏 😅

[@AviationAutomation]

It's your G switch inside of your ELT...Had the same problem...Send it back for warranty...

[@jr5218]

Curious about the audible fuel pressure warning on takeoff

[@TrentonPalmer]

It’s always given me that warning when I have both pumps on at high throttle settings, I think it’s a calibration issue because the pressure is always consistent. I’ve spoken to a few people at Rotax about it and they all agreed that it’s not a concern, but is somewhat annoying

[@jr5218]

@@TrentonPalmer thanks Trent. I’m a retired airline pilot in my 70’s. Love watching what you guys are doing and I live it through you. I hung up my spurs when I did my last airline flight, so it’s nice to experience some fun flying with you guys. Keep the blue side up. jr

[@glevideo]

Thanks Trent for the adventure. Question…does flying a drone around an airport (even backcountry airport) require any special permit? I’ve seen several drone shots at the backcountry airports and I’m just curious. Not complaining.

[@KL7EN]

Which model ACK do you have installed in your plane.

[@Nicky_Nacky_Nooo]

Having a smoke system is fun to use when flying passed people, but using it for just half a second just makes your plane look like it's burning too much engine oil and having issues. If you're going to use it, use it for at least 3 seconds to make a decent trail. It looks much better.

[@dalestockman4292]

Oregon Trail, via teletype and printer attached to the intermediate school district’s (county level) mainframe. When notified by printer that you were under attack, you had fractions of a second to hit the space bar (return fire) or be killed. That feature was not maintained in the PC versions my kids played years later. IMO, the original was more realistic and more interesting, as real travelers did encounter both good and bad persons on the trail.

[@fernandobarajas5926]

You said you ferried it to get the ELT fixed, do you not need a permit approved to be able to do that before moving the plane? Asking for SA

[@FlyingShotsman]

No, FAR 91.207 specifically authorizes ferrying a plane to a place where an ELT can be repaired.

[@GlensHangar]

Here in Canada you can remove an ELT from a GA aircraft for re-cert or repair, and still fly the plane for 30 days with the ELT removed while the work is being done.

[@fernandobarajas5926]

@@FlyingShotsman thanks for the education!

[@fernandobarajas5926]

@@GlensHangar Reading up on it more, thanks for the input, and I love your channel!

[@Next0mancer]

He has the kitfox listed for sale now, ill miss it on the channel.

[@EchoKilo]

What day did you pop-in to KONO? I work at the Life Flight base on the approach end of 15.

[@jjjwin1]

I was Went fishing down stream of Pitsburgh Landing Last month. Caught a nice 80 lB Sturgeon. Yes very HOT in Hells Canyon

[@ikay2102]

Love your videos Trent

[@av8or971]

i bet them cows are like... ok now i have seen everything, planes landing in our backyard

[@mikebruegger8654]

Great trip, great video..

[@jsmann8949]

You know, Ace IS the place

[@dustin0133]

do you get nervous flying in places with dense trees or mountainous terrain where an engine out landing would most likely not be smooth and easy? I live in new england and landing in the pine trees is one of my worst fears about flying single engine.

[@jabobb8274]

It's so cool to see you flying around pittsburg landing.

[@Viszla628]

You should’ve shown in your video the plane that’s in Fish Lake. My dad and I would fly in frequently.

[@paramotortheory]

Big sink then huge lift was you flying in to a thermal. Sink around the edges, lift in the middle.