Sometimes emergency dispatchers often make me so angry with all the questions while an life & death event is going on
@Cinderella23Queen8 ай бұрын
Exactly
@sinkingslowlywithasmile8 ай бұрын
They ask these questions when they've already sent police on their way. There's a reason they ask
@Cinderella23Queen8 ай бұрын
@sinkingslowlywithasmile , okay, thank you
@truelife9748 ай бұрын
The goal is to keep them on the phone until help arrives, keep them calm, and get as much information about the situation as possible.
@cjones82138 ай бұрын
They ask questions because if the victim doesn’t make it, the police has something to work with. Doesn’t seem compassionate, but there’s a reason
@issacmorgan28308 ай бұрын
Bruh. When big bro came in the room and little bro instantly looked for direction. That hug was intense. That sibling bond is something.
@AnthonyATonFoster8 ай бұрын
Bro
@TahitianTreatt8 ай бұрын
both of them weirdo af. so are u
@phatmusic8 ай бұрын
Hearttouching moment right? That's a weird comment
@bunzboyd8197 ай бұрын
@_indentno honestly i think it was the little brothers doing. The older brother didn’t even have a story, he told about their lives and when they asked what happened he said things like idk like the spot on his eye. It was like he was covering something which was the younger brother. They both said the older one was the one to always save him. That was the younger brother doing hence he said his temper was bad. He told the story exactly how it happened. The older brother was going all around the world.
@DanaWilliams-fx7gq7 ай бұрын
😂😅@_indent
@kellybrown61498 ай бұрын
That's why having peace in the home is so important❤
@LA-en1yz8 ай бұрын
That doesnt matter either. Dont be naive
@bab33oftheyearperiodt458 ай бұрын
@@LA-en1yz it definitely does matter. because they didn’t have much peace or a bond. then the kids drove themselves to commit soemthing so horrible. I A LOT START AT HOME
@VegasKandy488 ай бұрын
🎯🎯🎯
@EbonMaster8 ай бұрын
@@LA-en1yz It does matter. There are some cases where people from great families do horrible things but there are MANY more where people from horrible families do horrible things.
@commonman7118 ай бұрын
@@LA-en1yz you the dummy here.....
@StuckTrippin6 ай бұрын
I left my home on the day of my 18th birthday. 9 years have passed, mostly no contact with my parents. Things got physical many times at home, and my mental state was so broken. Only in the last year or two have I truely recovered who I am. There is no excuse for what these boys have done. But it is a crying shame what terrible parenting can do to children.
@soldierpsalmist6 ай бұрын
Agreed!!! Those parents aren’t innocent
@truth_defender45726 ай бұрын
Wait till you have raised kids
@StuckTrippin6 ай бұрын
@@truth_defender4572 i have two, what is your point?
@rosalindbryant49216 ай бұрын
Oohhh my this is so tragic, raise and teach your children, give them the space to grow and make decisions without judgement, guide them to make the best d visions for the individual child. They could not once come to the mom and say anything about the way they feel. I stopped watching after listening to the 911 call serious trigger warning ....I decided to continue to watch...no excuse for this horrific tragedy... This is the only way they saw fit? This means the parents did not connect at all with the sons 😳 Understanding that the relationship should evolve as the kids grow.. listening showing understanding and compassion to life's challenges is imperative. Simply showing unconditional love as our children grow and make decisions we may not agree with❤️🙏🏾❤️
@truth_defender45726 ай бұрын
@@StuckTrippin they may try delete you. Watch ya back
@jimmybrito70328 ай бұрын
Imagine venting to the detectives because u think being honest will help you only to find out they used that statement to charge you with as many crimes as possible. Officers are never your friend or care about how bad it was for you while growing up.
@jakephillips44538 ай бұрын
Exactly. Some people in the comments are actually mad at the interrogator because he was "helping" them. Yeah helping them dig a hole for themselves. lol. It's crazy how clueless some people are.
@ebaymotorhomes8 ай бұрын
In this case, though, they (the brothers) may have done themselves a favor by talking and emoting spontaneously w/o an attorney. And I'm not saying this is often a good idea. But I think their parents' subsequent empathy helped mitigate the sentencing and perhaps have an impact on parole date.
@godschildyes8 ай бұрын
Exactly! These boys are BRATTS!
@JCMthebrand8 ай бұрын
They aren’t programmed to and it wouldn’t matter if they did. It’s all up to the prosecution.
@jackiejohnson21728 ай бұрын
The detectives have a job to do. These boys knew better. It was premeditated and all about money. They need to get to the truth regardless of method.
@NeilCrouse998 ай бұрын
I feel SO fortunate, I was adopted and raised by two people who loved me, gave me all the attention I needed and never abused me. I'm 58 and my Dad lived until he was 89,.. Mom is 92 and healthy still. When I see things like this, I think to myself... "I won my lottery Years ago"...
@n3v3r2l88 ай бұрын
I can totally relate to you. I too was adopted at 22mos, my parents are the best people in the world. My father just died this last November, he too was 89. My mother just turned 89 last month and me and my siblings do everything we can do to be there for her. I love how you said you already won the lottery years ago. That's the perfect way to describe it.
@chimom71128 ай бұрын
What a wonderful thing to say about your parents. They hit the jackpot with you also.
@JulieIreland8 ай бұрын
Saaame!!! I was adopted as an infant and can honestly say I am highly blessed. I have 2 sets of parents who love me. My bio parents loved me enough to give me a chance of life and my adopted parents loved me enough to accept that challenge. 🙏🏻
@ChristinaTodd19708 ай бұрын
You are so lucky, I’m jealous. I grew up with a drug addicted alcoholic mother, no father. At 13 my mom had brain cancer and surgery. What I ended up with was a crazy person I didn’t recognize. Basically, I parented myself all my life. Of course I ended up an addict myself until I got clean. When I had my own children I decided I would do the exact opposite of everything my mom did. My 3 boys are adults now and they’re all wonderful young men. Knowing what I know now I cannot understand why my mother didn’t love and cherish me like I love and cherish my kids. They are my everything. Why couldn’t I be my mom’s everything? Sad, huh.
@TheDroneZoneIRL8 ай бұрын
@@ChristinaTodd1970because her everything was her addiction. It's not your fault she was an addict and the only thing you can do is love your children 110% and hope they never feel like you did. Can't change the past but you can change your kids future.
@louisejones57738 ай бұрын
You just never know whats going on behind peoples closed doors. My peace is priceless
@sonjiaamerson66317 ай бұрын
Mine is too. Both of my kids have their own place and I said since you all stayed over 18 years old. You’ll are getting your inherited while I’m alive. 💯💯💯💯💯
@specialkdm9007 ай бұрын
Ain’t that the truth.
@kokakolagodcomp-vi2yv2 ай бұрын
if they're black though, you pretty much know
@ua1000ua6 ай бұрын
This has been a HUGE learning moment for me honestly. One can never be too busy for their kids even if one is stressed and struggling to give them the best . Time with children is valuable and important. All I heard and took away from this is that when you think the kids need too much, all they need is the easiest thing one can give, LOVE, and ATTENTION. They gave them what they felt was love through provisions, some comfort, but not what they yearned for, ATTENTION.
@miathebarbie75448 ай бұрын
one thing I can say is the love he has for his younger brother is completely unwavering
@edwardpiss8 ай бұрын
Facts
@edwardpiss8 ай бұрын
And I’m winning to bet the dad was evil no it doesn’t make it right what they did but also we must learn to stop trying to live through our children just because our dreams didn’t go as planned.
@willhammer86658 ай бұрын
Traumatised by a bully father
@kaioiamo15038 ай бұрын
Love?! He’s a narcissist.
@DapUniversalTarot8 ай бұрын
@@kaioiamo1503 I didn't get that vibe. It's giving traumatized not malicious
@lifendeathchzlife51598 ай бұрын
"Honor your father and your mother" , But also, " Provoke not your children to wrath".
@gladysrichardson55627 ай бұрын
Amen.
@TheeGoddessQUEEN7 ай бұрын
As parents and children we must understand both of these! I remember getting angry with my parents and when I look back it's like my parents were out of line as well. Respect is EARNED both ways!
@WoodyWard7 ай бұрын
That's just about the dumbest thing I ever read 😂
@ty23777 ай бұрын
😊Indo-Guyanese9 yt 9😄
@ThirtyThree-sq2ie7 ай бұрын
Yep. Too bad manipulate parents only use that first verse to control you, while refusing to acknowledge the second one you mentioned.
@AChicRevue8 ай бұрын
I taught these boys.. Their parents were extremely involved in education, more than the normal parent and they were good kids in school. This stunned us all
@tiffanydaugherty65288 ай бұрын
The Dad spoke correctly-the devil entered their home)🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
@lesg52708 ай бұрын
Older one was a narcissist, wasn't he?
@moneygrowz8 ай бұрын
These are boys. Is like putting explosives under pressure. Parenting according to gender is so important. But also the mother should have been more proactive in response to the bullying conducted by the father
@titoqwentezproductionz34068 ай бұрын
nothing happens for no reason. there must of been a reason. maybe molestation or something
@MayaLove19768 ай бұрын
@@lesg5270narcissists don’t cry for what they’ve done. Or sacrifice themselves to stick up for their brother. They were both in pain.
@kentsneed7 ай бұрын
That hug! Monsters. But that hug looked so therapeutic. They LOVE each other. They might be distant from the parents but that brotherly bond is TIGHT!
@lystrawilliams91116 ай бұрын
This is so sad, when i heard the 911 call i was so upset, how kids could even do this! But hearing their story i can see how they could snap.that dont give them the right to do this but "Parents dont provoke your children " love them!
@phillysfinest2154 ай бұрын
Looked gay atleast put a shirt on I don’t want no one nipples on mine
@Iconicshandi2 ай бұрын
They aren’t “monsters”… smh
@sharrodjoe7 ай бұрын
I see a lot of people in these comments dont ubderstand how emotional abuse can really be traumatizing beyond control.
@bayou504ctcL97 ай бұрын
🐮💩
@ledoniapope2757 ай бұрын
I'm with you on this, they are not in their shoes 😢
@powerinvolved-di3vl2yd6q7 ай бұрын
Cry a river softy. It's no reason to go where these children went
@crystalsherman88967 ай бұрын
That maybe true but you don't kill your parents. You leave
@byrdie11117 ай бұрын
ur so right a lot of ppl r ignorant & have absolutely no understanding of it. U can clearly c they r both good kids, very polite, respectful, well spoken & lacked love from their parents. They were both very deep pain from years of abuse. They made a very awful decision based on years of built up anger, resentment towards their parents. Some ppl r not fit or equipped with the tools to raise children.
@oneilleiba31437 ай бұрын
Treating your children with respect is also important.
@starr381277 ай бұрын
Whatever
@Osmosis32107 ай бұрын
I think you mean compassion
@j.wright38887 ай бұрын
@@Osmosis3210respect like he said compassion too but u don’t know how some people are raised some parents show their kids no respect at all they have to deal with that mentally
@honeybaby38267 ай бұрын
What’s the matter mummy’s boy?
@iamdawnmwilliams7 ай бұрын
Sounds like the kids were spoiled.
@tenaciousduk65878 ай бұрын
My dad was a bully. I left home aged 17, paid my way through Uni at 26yrs old. I am perplexed. Not all of us were blessed with decent parents, but hell, get on with it and make good in your life, for yourself.
@IFITAINTBROKEDONTBRAKEIT8 ай бұрын
Problem is that some kids think ALL other kids got it better and feel like they should have what those kids allegedly got. Further thinking that mom and dad are the ones that should be giving it to them. I had no family support when I went away to college at age 17. But I never returned home to live, I visited every so often. Even when things were difficult, I didn't call home asking for anything. 37 years later I am very proud of making a pretty descent life for myself and not relying on my family to put me over. Some things ya just can't dmn do!
@jacks40098 ай бұрын
You are gonna make it! God got you, you are destined for great things.
@FallingInLoveWithWhoIAm8 ай бұрын
Same situation with my mother. I left at 17 and never looked back.
@jerryherrin4588 ай бұрын
@user-lx4vj6ll4y the country has changed in the last 37 years, buddy. A college education now costs you what multiple homes cost, which is funny because you can't buy homes anymore unless you're an investment firm. But keep trying to compare your trials and tribulations to this generation. I'll be sitting here with my popcorn.
@IFITAINTBROKEDONTBRAKEIT8 ай бұрын
@@jerryherrin458 @jerryherrin458 the point is that at any time in life anybody can believe their problems are insurmountable. In 1987 the minimum wage was 3.35 hr. Working 80 hours bi weekly at a full time job making minimum wage back then could not buy you a house in any community. If it could , I will get my popcorn and wait for you to give me that story. A mobile home is what it MIGHT get, and a mobile home is a declining automotive asset. Today the minimum wage is 7.25, in some places, 8.25 in others, with it supposedly being 15$ by 2025 or sumthin. Same buying power as in 1987. Today, you MIGHT be able to buy a mobile home. The point I'm trying to make, no matter how much people believe that outside forces have prevented them from doing whatever, no problems are going to be solved by bichn at anyone. I only made the statement of I had to work just like the original poster of the comment. nobody helped me, nobody offered either. It didn't help me to be bichn about they should have. I struggled a lot. There were just as many people back then unable to buy homes as there are now.
@yabadaba18586 ай бұрын
This is a sad case… the hug between them was one of the most emotional moments I have ever seen.
@Margo-v5p5 ай бұрын
❤😢
@AlexReeseCouncil4 ай бұрын
They need to go to jail
@michaelmckenzey95522 ай бұрын
The older brother manipulated his younger brother to kill their parents. I have no sympathy for them and they need to go to prison. If they did not respect their parents rules, the older brother could have moved out and the younger one was close to finishing high school and moving out on their own. Who cares they hugged one another, the Menendez brothers also hugged one another!
@litaramjatan13642 ай бұрын
Jaa😔💔💔vind ik ook, triest😥
@cazdiamond13598 ай бұрын
When children grow up feeling that they are never good enough in their parents eyes. This pain can turn to hate. It is very important for parents to validate their children, even when they are failing. Correct them in love
@BSOG38 ай бұрын
Absolutely agree!!
@iManifestMyDesires8 ай бұрын
My mom need to see and understand this comment but she never will
@DrAlexisM8 ай бұрын
@@iManifestMyDesiresHey there, I’m so sorry you’re experiencing this. It is incredibly distressing to be emotionally neglected and invalidated by the people who are meant to provide you emotional safety and attunement. There are plenty of great resources but the one I’d recommend the most is Personal Development School. Amongst many things, it teaches you ways to validate yourself, meet your own needs and heal wounds of feeling “not enough” when others have failed you. (And it saved my life!) Either way, please know that you’ve got this and you’re not alone. You are important. 🥹🩵 💪
@JacqulyneThomas8 ай бұрын
Oh the pain they were in.
@nicoleholley70498 ай бұрын
You have to turn to the creator!!!
@kbeard51307 ай бұрын
The way they hugged…they’ve been suffering
@traceystanley35548 ай бұрын
“My children are trying to kill me”.. I’ve no words
@Unapologetically_Sassy_Me8 ай бұрын
Unimaginable….
@mshaw68368 ай бұрын
Makes a change from parents killing their children!
@shuntaebank57908 ай бұрын
Left me completely speechless
@BeautifulTruthTalk8 ай бұрын
Chilling
@nequelnelson19508 ай бұрын
Correct
@toschajeffries88335 ай бұрын
These are the most honest sad young men I ever seen. Its so sad that it came to this but I'm happy that both of their parents are ok.
@heart-2-heart-talks-with-tj8 ай бұрын
This entire situation is heartbreaking. I pray for the healing of this entire family. 🙏🏽
@keishah59687 ай бұрын
Me too..
@mikeydurden7 ай бұрын
Healing? Say what? You think they are going to get all back together again.
@mjones39117 ай бұрын
for the kids, there's no coming back from this
@ysheresse2267 ай бұрын
Why does dispatch always say hello, be quiet and document what you hear....people be fighting for their lives
@MusicLover-bp2cc8 ай бұрын
I litterally burst out laughing when the cop said: "Thanks for telling us the truth. Things are going to work out"
@tonysnow22248 ай бұрын
Lmao these cops knew these kids where green as hell..
@aliveandconnected8 ай бұрын
@@tonysnow2224 definitely green because that's what going to college and having nonstreets smarts makes you.
@edwardpiss8 ай бұрын
@@tonysnow2224honestly they weren’t green they were just telling the truth. I honestly feel for both of them but by no means approve of what they did. They should’ve gotten atleast 15 years each. If they can give Casey Anthony no time then they should’ve been let go with little time.
@dotspkfaqs8 ай бұрын
Like fr
@michellethorpe99358 ай бұрын
@@aliveandconnected 😂😂😂😂
@martinphilipps86786 ай бұрын
their deep strong love for each other testifies of how much they lacked the love and understanding of their parents
@senn965 ай бұрын
You sound crazy
@latoyadpayne20037 ай бұрын
If you can't deal with your parent anymore just leave. Don't kill them.
@justjulez58387 ай бұрын
Funny how they are grown enough to take a life yet too infantile to get a damn job and their own place
@AtibaVV7 ай бұрын
Leaving comes with the possibility of retaliation
@dnationapocalypse7 ай бұрын
@@AtibaVV... Retaliation from the parents 🤔
@Emoney5597 ай бұрын
💯
@dadevi7 ай бұрын
@@AtibaVV I left when my mother was out of the house. My mother couldn't find me for six months. You can always leave. You just have to time it right.
@duaneayers61178 ай бұрын
Just because your child is over the age of 18. Doesn't ever mean that your child will never need your support & help throughout their life.
@sunnystormy49738 ай бұрын
-my kids have paws-
@sunnystormy49738 ай бұрын
-what is : " xx " ?-
@Itried20takennames8 ай бұрын
True, but after 18, the primary person responsible for taking care of you is you, and anything your parents provide is a extra and a gift, not something you are owed for life. If you have good parents, great, and if your parents are awful, over 18 you now now get to go make your own way in the world and set your own rules. Not always, but often staying home just traps adult “kids” in a kind of perpetual adolescence, where they unnaturally think they should still have the “low demand, low responsibility, parents pay my bills” life of a 13-year-old indefinitely, and get angry if denied this. Those who feel owed continual care as adults can sit home wallowing in decades old grudges against the aging parents and blaming parents for their own failures and frustration, which can lead to violence.
@The_Joy_Finder8 ай бұрын
I disagree. Once you are an adult your are responsible for your own actions, including your finances. Your parents have completed their job. Parents are not life long hostages to their grown up children's decision making.
@sunnystormy49738 ай бұрын
???
@shawncalderon49508 ай бұрын
“Your enemies will be right in your own household.” Matthew 10:36
@Josee20308 ай бұрын
Very true!
@undermysaviour8 ай бұрын
No children are your own fruits not the household enemies. Every fruit has it's own needs parents should be able to see and treat appropriately.
@undermysaviour8 ай бұрын
What verse would you have picked to kids who committ suicide ?
@TerryWallace-ty1cp8 ай бұрын
THATS EXACTLY WHAT JESUS SAID ! HE SAID, A MAN'S FOES WILL BE THOSE OF HIS OWN HOUSEHOLD.
@shawncalderon49508 ай бұрын
@@undermysaviour Thank you for sharing. This quote from scripture speaks of the last days when children would hate and kill their parents. It doesn't say every child will hate their parents. The Bible teaches one of the signs of the last days would be children murdering their parents. These two young men prove this Bible prophesy correct.
@99trees7 ай бұрын
Watching this grown man cry breaks my heart. He tried so hard to please his parents and then almost ends up killing them. I truly wish the brothers find peace and a productive and prosperous future. ❤💕
@rachel61326 ай бұрын
You meant his father. He wanted his father approval
@lauiresmallwood8858 ай бұрын
This younger kid worked for the company I used to work for one summer and he was quiet, so well mannered, but seemed so sad.
@arlishasamuels66007 ай бұрын
He most likely was not being treated properly overwhelmed it's so sad
@audram12957 ай бұрын
Curious to know what you think about this: this is really really scary to me. I think that the older sibling explaining that his parents were NOT really rich, only explained that they HAD TO WORK HARD and LONG HOURS, which is why they did NOT have time for their KIDS; yet they had time for a TV show which the kids grew to HATE. I blame the MOTHER for not being a mother, and I blame the FATHER for not RECOGNIZING what was going on in HIS home. I don't believe either story: i don't believe the mama, nor the two sons, especially not the eldest son because HE HAD BEEN OUT OF THE HOME FOR YEARS AND THE ONLY THING HE SAID BAD ABOUT HIS MOTHER WAS THAT SHE DIDN'T HAVE TIME FOR THEM - plus he was found in the bathroom upstairs KNOCKED unconscIous by a GUN, the mother was ALREADY BEATEN but didn't sound like it (no CRIES, no PANTING, NOTHING), the FATHER and the younger son in the garage (I assume the father TRIED to escape). I think that the MOTHER gave the gun to the YOUNGER SON, told him to go kill his father BEFORE he could get away, he LOST the gun by knocking out the eldest brother (Where was the GUN found by the police ???), then grabbed a KNIFE (maybe he was CHARGED by the father, then the father ran to the garage to get away ???), PLUS, WHY DID THEY WAIT ALLLLLL NIGHT ???????? At any rate, according to the police, the father was in the GARAGE stabbed several times, and one of the sons was also there in the garage with the father, and the second son was ON THE FLOOR UP STAIRS KNOCKED OUT BY A GUN (not the weapon used to kill ANYONE - was the gun even LOADED???) ? And why was the mama so COOL, CALM, & COLLECTED on that call and giving a READY MADE MOTIVE and POSSIBLE MURDER WEAPON to the police (like, if they were trying to kill BOTH parents, then why not just SHOOT HER FIRST, and why was the eldest unconcious by a hit with the very gun SHE said would be used to kill her husband ???)??? I think that the YOUNGEST SON was told to kill his own FATHER, the eldest brother found out and TRIED TO STOP HIM but got HIT OVER THE HEAD WITH THE GUN (was he hit in a spot that knocks a man unconscious ???). The gun was somehow lost or USELESS with NO BULLETS (by this time the father is awake and trying to escape!). Then the 17 year old was charged by the father, or the 17 year old grabbed a knife from the kitchen and ran after the father, and then proceeded to stabbing his father. I would like to know WHERE DID THE STABBING take place in the home (the garage, or did it START some place else?). The other thing I would like to know is was the mother having an affair of ANY kind, and if she had ever showed SIGNS OF PHYSICAL ABUSE, or ever COMPLAINED TO FRIENDS/FAMILY ABOUT MENTAL/EMOTIONAL ABUSE, or simply COMPLAINED about her husband AT ALL. Plus, WHY DID SHE PUT DOWN THE PHONE (like it was a SECRET), only to tell her SON(s) that she had CALLED THE POLICE ??? Did she tell BOTH sons or just ONE son that she had called the police ? and if she told BOTH sons, then from the time she made the call, until the police arrived, when was the ELDEST SON KNOCKED UNCONSCIOUS ??? ******************Naw, I think that THE MOTHER used that time to tell her children that THEY needed to take the BLAME because of their AGE ! I don't know, but her story about the GUN just doesn't make ANY sense, because why didn't she mention the one son KNOCKED UNCONSCIOUS ??? Plus, SHE said that BOTH SONS went DOWNSTAIRS after their FATHER, but that wasn't true, that was a LIE !
@infinitybless71327 ай бұрын
@@audram1295 you sound like a criminal yourself! Seek help!!!
@Shelby526906 ай бұрын
It's always those strange weirdos. Can only imagine what other students thought about them, overly sensitive insecure narcissists! Don't care how you are treated, just walk away. Silence is the biggest weapon of all. This is why I don't want children, no matter what you do for them, ungrateful sick bas***! 😠
@desrabbitt41286 ай бұрын
Now you know why goes to show moving forward in this life you NEVER know what someone’s going thru just be gentle lead with Grace❤
@virtueq8 ай бұрын
Glad the parents survived and are ok
@godschildyes8 ай бұрын
Me too! 😢
@brianal71438 ай бұрын
Yup. Their kids were extremely ungrateful. It's hard when you feel you've disappointed your parents but to attempt to kill them is abhorrent 😢. That's crazy
@mcdonaldscake8 ай бұрын
@@brianal7143sounds like a working abusive alcoholic father
@teetawn94548 ай бұрын
They're so wrong and soo dangerous They were good, hardworking, and smart kids with hardworking invested parents who cared enough to see them succeed in life. However, the pressure they placed on them to do this was too much that they just snapped. That does happen unfortunately when some kids feel too pressured.. All the best on their long journey back to family and normalcy.
@WillieAdams-et8zg8 ай бұрын
Thank God they doing well.
@The_Viking_Highlander7 ай бұрын
A child is a pure innocent soul until it is corrupted by it's environment.
@Alex-bb9lc7 ай бұрын
Wise words
@kenkaniff61427 ай бұрын
No doubt.
@kittygirl1719796 ай бұрын
Not always
@TatankaSapa6 ай бұрын
They are 22 and 17. Far from a child
@drealomeli10206 ай бұрын
@@TatankaSapabut they were children once, u don’t just turn into this, the parents definitely had a hand, prolly why they forgave their children and our mending their relationship, glad they are taking responsibility as well
@dadevi7 ай бұрын
This is the problem: Lack of emotional control. If you can think of how to murder someone, you can think of ways to leave them and be a success! I came from an emotionally abusive home. I left as soon as I got two jobs and could afford a cheap apartment. I worked hard. Years later, I am a homeowner and have a successful career. If you are still reading this, don't think I'm bragging. If you've been through what I've been through, you can make it as well. The best revenge is success and your freedom, not being locked up for life. Don't ever give up!
@nini650786 ай бұрын
I agree. Goodluck to u. Cos I know it’s ain’t easy.
@scottinamcqueen68955 ай бұрын
Sweetheart, you said something vital, (YOU) Everyone is different just because you were able to do it you can't put other people in your shoes.😢 . They messed these children's heads up😢😢😢😢 .
@dadevi5 ай бұрын
@@scottinamcqueen6895 You call a cop and get out with nothing but the clothes on your back if things are that bad. I don't make excuses for murderers. What makes this case even worse is that these were two grown men. I left by myself.
@miloteagan42738 ай бұрын
So instead of moving out, he decides to kill his parents? These “ kids” are weird.
@Sdfghjtgy18 ай бұрын
You'd be surprised to find out how many people are kicked out and end up homeless. Selfish parents make kids but refuse to care if their kids have a financial security.
@billstill17948 ай бұрын
Two super-beta "males"!
@murdagzz46348 ай бұрын
It's ppl like u that raise kids like this just the kids are weird not the parents not the father who only bonds with his son threw an activity his son dosent even like
@mekajones72738 ай бұрын
F that . They got to go..
@77sinner8 ай бұрын
@@murdagzz4634 Did your cat walk over your keyboard?
@godsfavoredservant78677 ай бұрын
I felt that when he said..."all me and him ever wanted was his approval " I think the dad is a narcissist and nothing was good enough for him. The problem with the mom is she never listened to her kids over the dad...living with a narcissist and trying to please them is a personal HELL on earth. They wanted to be told they were enough and their parents didn't tell them.
@Alex-bb9lc7 ай бұрын
Yep. This is a prime example of parental narcissism
@iLBae7 ай бұрын
Idc you know no to kill nobody even with those feelings. I hate how they felt because I was in that same situation fighting fr mothers approval. Decided d to leave, not murder. These dudes are just psycho
@prentfaiyaz7 ай бұрын
Doesn't mean they get to kill then
@brandon79137 ай бұрын
This sounds about right. I would rather they ran away than attempt to murder their parents. The parents may never trust them. This family is greatly damaged
@achini157 ай бұрын
Exactly
@voice-of-reason3187 ай бұрын
When I saw the caption and the picture of the brothers, I thought what heartless monsters to try to kill their parents. But, after listening to both brothers, this was a tragedy not completely of their own making. I dont agree with their actions and I thank God both parents survived and forgave them. I hope they can also forgive themselves (every family member). May we all learn from this. Children have a right to live their own lives. As long as they're happy, let them choose their future. I hope both of these men get to enjoy some happiness when they get paroled. A miracle happened here inspite of everything. A family was united. ❤🙏🏽
@1Candysweets7 ай бұрын
Well said,
@sheilacarter38066 ай бұрын
Lord help and heal
@aprilgosa57796 ай бұрын
so in other words you people bought these 2 punks pity story
@harrynac60176 ай бұрын
@@aprilgosa57792 punks would have tried to blame eachother
@user-pd5vl4lr5p6 ай бұрын
We are hearing one side of a story. Too easy to criticise parents without all of the facts. Either way, it wasn't physical or SA. If you think your parents emotionally abuse you, then you move out and make your own way. You don't kill them for money, because that negates any argument that you may have.
@marye15967 ай бұрын
Their lives are now ruined because of "their" actions, not their parents.
@latoriajackson52886 ай бұрын
That part
@sunnybright82065 ай бұрын
@@marye1596 their parents are responsible too
@TaesheonaMounds4 ай бұрын
Their lives are not ruined. They got 10 years. And I absolutely blame the parents. The father is definitely a narcissist. My mother acts just like this. She will put on a mask and pretend she is a innocent woman of God. Yet would abuse my brother and I mentally, physically, spiritually, and emotionally. The father was trying to force them to do things that were not in there hearts desire. They had other plans and dreams. Them both as parents are supposed to support them no matter what. That's what's wrong with a lot of parents. "Monsters", are created somehow. Just like a school shooter. They were most likely bullied and mistreated at home. So when they react to the pain, now they're "monsters".
@elsiekai23313 ай бұрын
Exactly
@landaps7 ай бұрын
They treated those kids like they were burdens. Emotional abuse is awful😢😢 They messed these kids up.
@arlishasamuels66007 ай бұрын
Yes they did shame on them parents!!!
@achini157 ай бұрын
I agree poor kid's
@tammyg38327 ай бұрын
Exactly. They were heartless
@JameelaSaydia-pv1ey7 ай бұрын
My child will tell you l am the worst person on the planet. The things l heard blew my mind. I know how it feels to be lied on by your own child.
@aliceharris42197 ай бұрын
@@JameelaSaydia-pv1eyit’s absolutely insane 😢
@Construct877 ай бұрын
Do not talk to law enforcement without your attorney present - ever !
@iamcalledirenechaliz-lopez7 ай бұрын
Fr
@audram12957 ай бұрын
what if the mother told them to confess? what do you think about this? this is really really scary to me. I think that the older sibling explaining that his parents were NOT really rich, only explained that they HAD TO WORK HARD and LONG HOURS, which is why they did NOT have time for their KIDS; yet they had time for a TV show which the kids grew to HATE. I blame the MOTHER for not being a mother, and I blame the FATHER for not RECOGNIZING what was going on in HIS home. I don't believe either story: i don't believe the mama, nor the two sons, especially not the eldest son because HE HAD BEEN OUT OF THE HOME FOR YEARS AND THE ONLY THING HE SAID BAD ABOUT HIS MOTHER WAS THAT SHE DIDN'T HAVE TIME FOR THEM - plus he was found in the bathroom upstairs KNOCKED unconscIous by a GUN, the mother was ALREADY BEATEN but didn't sound like it (no CRIES, no PANTING, NOTHING), the FATHER and the younger son in the garage (I assume the father TRIED to escape). I think that the MOTHER gave the gun to the YOUNGER SON, told him to go kill his father BEFORE he could get away, he LOST the gun by knocking out the eldest brother (Where was the GUN found by the police ???), then grabbed a KNIFE (maybe he was CHARGED by the father, then the father ran to the garage to get away ???), PLUS, WHY DID THEY WAIT ALLLLLL NIGHT ???????? At any rate, according to the police, the father was in the GARAGE stabbed several times, and one of the sons was also there in the garage with the father, and the second son was ON THE FLOOR UP STAIRS KNOCKED OUT BY A GUN (not the weapon used to kill ANYONE - was the gun even LOADED???) ? And why was the mama so COOL, CALM, & COLLECTED on that call and giving a READY MADE MOTIVE and POSSIBLE MURDER WEAPON to the police (like, if they were trying to kill BOTH parents, then why not just SHOOT HER FIRST, and why was the eldest unconcious by a hit with the very gun SHE said would be used to kill her husband ???)??? I think that the YOUNGEST SON was told to kill his own FATHER, the eldest brother found out and TRIED TO STOP HIM but got HIT OVER THE HEAD WITH THE GUN (was he hit in a spot that knocks a man unconscious ???). The gun was somehow lost or USELESS with NO BULLETS (by this time the father is awake and trying to escape!). Then the 17 year old was charged by the father, or the 17 year old grabbed a knife from the kitchen and ran after the father, and then proceeded to stabbing his father. I would like to know WHERE DID THE STABBING take place in the home (the garage, or did it START some place else?). The other thing I would like to know is was the mother having an affair of ANY kind, and if she had ever showed SIGNS OF PHYSICAL ABUSE, or ever COMPLAINED TO FRIENDS/FAMILY ABOUT MENTAL/EMOTIONAL ABUSE, or simply COMPLAINED about her husband AT ALL. Plus, WHY DID SHE PUT DOWN THE PHONE (like it was a SECRET), only to tell her SON(s) that she had CALLED THE POLICE ??? Did she tell BOTH sons or just ONE son that she had called the police ? and if she told BOTH sons, then from the time she made the call, until the police arrived, when was the ELDEST SON KNOCKED UNCONSCIOUS ??? ******************Naw, I think that THE MOTHER used that time to tell her children that THEY needed to take the BLAME because of their AGE ! I don't know, but her story about the GUN just doesn't make ANY sense, because why didn't she mention the one son KNOCKED UNCONSCIOUS ??? Plus, SHE said that BOTH SONS went DOWNSTAIRS after their FATHER, but that wasn't true, that was a LIE !
@Construct877 ай бұрын
@@audram1295 relax
@audram12957 ай бұрын
@@Construct87 i'm relaxed, i just see a lot of inconsistencies in different cases: R. KELLY'S, YSL, YNW MELLY, ERNESTO WILLIAMS, NATURE BOY, MY OWN CASE, ETC.. So, because I have been through it myself, I go through these cases with a fine tooth comb.
@jameswalsh24276 ай бұрын
Glad they didn't get to see your advice prior to the attempted murder.
@Richie8a8y8 ай бұрын
The dispatcher’s, “Yvonne, hello… Hello… Miss Yvonne?” was heartbreaking. Such compassion in her voice.
@queenkeii9707 ай бұрын
And that could have gotten her killed!!
@drsheshenp7 ай бұрын
@@queenkeii970 exactly. That was awful. She should have been quiet.
@ucanthandlethetruth66007 ай бұрын
The parents know exactly why their children tried to kill them!
@privatecitizen4162Ай бұрын
I think so too and because they are so superficial they just jumped to the "the devil made them do it" to cover it up. Honestly they all seem to be completely loopy. The older Brother just wanted the insurance money and was done with the parents. The younger Brother is just as dangerous they all seem to be sociopaths.
@ucanthandlethetruth6600Ай бұрын
@privatecitizen4162 Every effect has a cause.
@CloudyDea-cz3qq8 ай бұрын
This is tragic but I’ve learned a long time ago that you never really know what goes on in families unless you’re apart of said family. My mother looked perfect from the outside. She was mentally and physically abusive to me behind closed doors. I’m just glad no one died in this case and some peace is found for all of them.
@Leeleesfiiles8 ай бұрын
yes, you never know what’s going on inside of a household, there is always a reason before the destruction
@baldieintuition8 ай бұрын
Exactly that when I finally started talking about how mean and abusive my mom was everybody was shocked because they thought we had the perfect relationship
@larbahmanow26958 ай бұрын
Your mom was a communal narcissist!
@larbahmanow26958 ай бұрын
Always thought about what the public thinks and always about her image
@Poeticfloetic7 ай бұрын
*Part of the same family. Apart means separate.
@nettricegaskins18718 ай бұрын
At 17 I graduated from high school, left the state for college and just never went back to live. I had no family support and after my parents tried to claim me on their taxes I threatened to sue them (for lack of support). I moved on with my life without them.
@afenismama8 ай бұрын
❤
@SrKA1838 ай бұрын
Warrior ❤
@laraoneal72848 ай бұрын
@nettricegaskins1871. God bless you. I came from a very toxic family of origin. I went no contact over 25 years ago.
@LuvLight448 ай бұрын
🙄
@truelife9748 ай бұрын
Life taught me that all we really needed from our parents was life. Ironically, it's the one thing we never asked for.
@ChakaSasha-vq3su8 ай бұрын
It pisses me off that they always asking questions knowing some ppl need to be QUIET to avoid being found! Ughhh
@rmarvel1698 ай бұрын
YES! Me too !!!
@rosalindmize39198 ай бұрын
VOTE it changes the RULES 😮
@36msme8 ай бұрын
Exactly they be putting folks at risk. Just send the cops and STFU
@LechTaczka8 ай бұрын
You have no idea what you are talking about.
@pattydiggs50188 ай бұрын
Thay have to do that in case you survive and you have to testify.. The want to ask alot and to take your mind to another way
@vondzellblack43027 ай бұрын
Parents need to let their kids grow and make their own decisions in life. This is so sad 😢
@funsizechao28957 ай бұрын
My heart breaks for those boys. That hug they had was so heartfelt. What a big brother.
@scavengerhuntatlanta83677 ай бұрын
Those "boys" tried to kill their own parents. Save your pity.
@Rabbit_the_Realtor7 ай бұрын
Boys? You realize on of these males is a grown man? Nothing is heartfelt about two attempted mur ders embracing as they realize their plan was stupid they caught and now will be going to jail
@funsizechao28957 ай бұрын
@Rabbit_the_Realtor I'm talking about their brotherly love for one another. Doesn't excuse what they did to their parent. Loosen up those panties.
@funsizechao28957 ай бұрын
@@Rabbit_the_Realtor yes, boys. Real men don't do that!
@Rabbit_the_Realtor7 ай бұрын
@@funsizechao2895 this is not the definition of brotherly love it’s sad we don’t understand a true definition of love brotherly love or sibling love would manifest in a way of steering each other in the right direction. This is a case of brotherly manipulation. Maybe you should tighten your panties cuz they falling off and showing your true character. Nothing in this video was about love. 🤣
@danielledavis98768 ай бұрын
My mom was a abuser. I never tried to unlive her, which she probably deserved to be. When i graduated, i went into the military and never looked back
@TheWriterWalker8 ай бұрын
But these parents were not abusers.
@BeckyAdams-m3x8 ай бұрын
They mentally abused them, they didn’t do what their parents wanted them to do - play football, go to a particular college, not be in the band - and by the boys doing what they wanted, the neglect, the coldness and unwanted feelings came into their lives. It’s sad when your parents make you feel like that; I know how that feels. I never done it said anything about it, but it does hurt. Mom seems like she was a silent partner because the dad was overbearing and if things didn’t go his way - they all caught hell. I hate the boys made a decision to do that; but everyone has a breaking point and they’d gotten to it. I hope the family can mend their relationship and possibly start over. 🙏🏽prayers for them.
@danielledavis98768 ай бұрын
@@BeckyAdams-m3x my mom did both, and I did unlive her. They still was wrong for doing that. Once they got of age, they could have left...plain and simple but they stayed for the money and a place to stay.
@undermysaviour8 ай бұрын
@@danielledavis9876It depends some kids aren't mentally tough enough many do commit suicide but when you have siblings you want to protect it is another story.
@shigreene138 ай бұрын
@@TheWriterWalkersounds like they were
@msinspired1018 ай бұрын
The Dad is a bully. I hate when they don't make it and try to live vicariously through their children. He doesn't want to play f$%#^& football. Let him be what he wants to be. He was doing good academically and congratulating him would have been the right thing. He discouraged him, and that turned the son into hating him and wanting to eliminate him.
@emc80207 ай бұрын
Their Dad sounds like a narcissist. The way he treated them was bad. He emotionally, psychologically, verbally, and physically abused them, even financially. It's very sad. I wish they'd just moved out and cut off all communication.
@The_Viking_Highlander7 ай бұрын
Agreed. There's a comment up higher from the boys teacher in School. She said the kids were great in school, but the parents were over-involved in the boys lives and education and were too controlling. All the judgemental racists in these comments are so narrow minded. They have no clue what real abuse feels like as a child.
@msinspired1017 ай бұрын
@emc8020 I agree 100% but circumstances made that difficult. They saw a way out but they really did not want to kill them because they are not killers but just tired and frustrated and loveless young men.
@msinspired1017 ай бұрын
@Weegie_skin_head_93 I saw that comment. The parents did not treat them well and showed zero interest in what the children loved and enjoyed doing. The dad's main focus was having them walk in his worn out shoes and follow his footsteps. Not happening. He ruined those two brilliant men. Some people are not meant to be parents.
@The_Viking_Highlander7 ай бұрын
@@msinspired101 100%
@SarahJackson-d6h3 күн бұрын
To live for your parents approval to only ever feel like a disappointment, brow beating, and never getting it. You keep trying harder and HARDER, atp your killing yourself (not sleeping for 3 days to accomplish goals) 😢 this is soo tragic. I feel for them. The mother not having a clue why her kids are KILLING her is actually very telling.
@uriyahbonafide41948 ай бұрын
I stand 6'5" and was a physically in top shape muscular guy, but the thought of putting my hands on my parents never, not one time crossed my mind. I couldn't stand my Dad at one point, but all i did was get out of his house and i joined the military. My Dad is only 6 feet tall and nowhere near as muscular as me, but still i couldn't even bring myself to putting my hands on my parents. When they get on my nerves, i just get away from them.
@michellethorpe99358 ай бұрын
They had no respect and regards for their parents and are pathetic loosers
@lesiemehle19018 ай бұрын
It depends with the stress they went through. Don't compare your experiences
@bruh...9508 ай бұрын
@@lesiemehle1901girl think with your head doesn't matter what stress they were put thru u should NEVER and I say NEVER kill your parents or smb
@lesiemehle19018 ай бұрын
Well, some parents or people can put you through some mental stress that you end up not thinking straight. So I would not really say when is it right to plan to kill someone some situations push you to thinking about it.
@uriyahbonafide41948 ай бұрын
@@lesiemehle1901 If anyone or any situation gets to you that much that you want to kill someone, that is the time to remove yourself from the environment.
@JohnEJazz8 ай бұрын
that hug tho... you can tell all they had was each other... heartbreaking in a sense. im not justifying their actions by no means but you have to understand what can drive people to go this far. and chris owned up to his mistake and wouldnt allow his brother to take the fall and as a man i can respect that
@VantresaKrause8 ай бұрын
❤❤❤
@edwardpiss8 ай бұрын
Same here much respect to big bro. You said exactly what I was thinking.
@ShellyCline8 ай бұрын
That's exactly what my brother said when he and I were watching this. Once he saw them interact with each other it became clear that they were all each other ever had. We started off completely disgusted with the sons and ended up completely disgusted with the parents. We still don't condone what the sons did but what they did they did out of stupidity. The parents did what they did out of callousness.
@edwardpiss8 ай бұрын
@@ShellyCline well spoken. You should see the way the articles try to describe them as well, Calling the older brother the “More bulkier intimidating brother” and the younger one “The more eloquent brother/son.” It’s digusting as if almost their insinuating that it was all the older brothers doing. 22 is very much still young and brain wasn’t even fully developed not nearly as much as his body.
@desireesade18 ай бұрын
I’m sorry maybe my mind is warped but that hug looked a bit sexual to me. I wonder the nature of their relationship
@gigiarmany7 ай бұрын
these boys remind me of the Menendez brothers..many parents torture their children & then act surprised when they go insane & act out..
@RiverwoodSecurity3 ай бұрын
Exactly. Then claim abuse.
@Amyathedon3 ай бұрын
Thank you the whole time the similarities were there. I hope them nd the Menedez brothers get out soon
@1115asmara3 ай бұрын
@@gigiarmany Yep, I thought about the Menendez brothers.
@bjorkhorseman2 ай бұрын
I thought of the Menendez brothers too 😢😢
@Cristi-nd6oy5 ай бұрын
At first I thought this detective is showing sympathy, but the more I watched it he's just trying to catch them lying
@thanaaabdullah34525 ай бұрын
It’s called trying to get the real story out of criminals, who like to like and victimize themselves
@Plugweirdbutheacinnaphile5 ай бұрын
I would never claim to know but i wonder why you've ASSUMED they're lying @@thanaaabdullah3452
@aliciawoodard74735 ай бұрын
That’s literally their job
@Locs0fLuv5 ай бұрын
That's what they do, build a case to use against and charge the suspects. They should've never spoke to the detectives though without an attorney.
@FasterFaster1968 ай бұрын
I so appreciate the tone of the narrator in this video. Factual. With compassion. There are so many youtube crime channels rhat delight in saying the worst things about perpetrators. Not all crimes are the same.Of course these young men should be in prison. That doesnt take sway from the sadness of so much wasted potential
@Lvnshyrn078 ай бұрын
Little brother fucked up and knew his brother would protect him. This is heartbreaking.....
@belleblaas38438 ай бұрын
It is so scary. Boys' plan. Burn the house with parents asleep. Insurance? How the disappointment from their father or pressure to make something of yourself, and not be a kid behind Xbox all day or hang outside and get in trouble, made them feel this way. Expectations. Young brother just graduated and saw how older brother's life already was for 5 years. Older brother tells a bit about trusts and Maserati's and without football a 4.0. Etc etc. Pressure. Working and having to pay himself. Navy a solution. While maybe, the youth just want to have fun. Going out and videogames.... Sad. How they both thought, this was a good idea. And that they were capable. Without mom being on the phone with 911, would they have succeeded?
@orionxtc11198 ай бұрын
Sad all round... at least the parents didn't die
@shayharris65448 ай бұрын
I'm seeing other people say it was the other way around. I just started the video so it'll be interesting to see who it is
@Savedbygrace-z6d8 ай бұрын
@@orionxtc1119Thank God
@belleblaas38438 ай бұрын
@@shayharris6544 What do you think? After finishing video? I think, little brother, saw his next 5 years from older brother being unhappy. Pressure. Needing to succeed. Expectations from parents. Grades. Football very important for the dad. To get scolarships...While, maybe at 17, you are just happy graduating highschool. And not wanting to be shipped off Navy immediatedly....
@reneegabriel6498 ай бұрын
That 22yr old is trying to justify why he tried to kill his parents and no doubt cohearsed his younger brother to help him. If he didn't want to listen to his father or he felt his father was controlling his life, he could have left home and did his own things!!! There is no excuse for what he did!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬
@PauletteCooper-j9u8 ай бұрын
Facts 💯 unfortunately 😢 sad situation
@sterlingharris18128 ай бұрын
Interesting take..i always got the sense that it was the younger brothers idea and the older brother was willing to take the fall to protect his younger brother as much as possible..but who knows
@simonecherry8 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly...older son should have left home if he was that upset w parents.. no excuse...
@stackmosayless-16698 ай бұрын
@simonecherry He grew up in a no nonsense upper middle class black American household that was pushing them to work hard for it. The younger generation is soft they get too many outside influences. My parents always told me if I don't like the rules get your own place make your own rules. If I raised my hand to them they have the right to take me out of this world. Boys have differences with their fathers understood. When he attacked his mother I lost it just listening. I know the Bible speaks about forgiveness but under the Law them kids would of been stoned to death. I wouldn't trust them. When they come home they had 15 years to plot a new plan. You won't get a 2nd time.
@iamGRILLSY8 ай бұрын
I interpreted it as quite equal, if anything the eldest seems to be explicitly saying he wont let his brother take the fall. They also said that the eldest had moved out to college so I must have missed the part where he had moved back in.
@user-nf7dk2lk3v7 ай бұрын
Please, I hope this system helps these boys. Not just Throw them in prison They are worth saving.Don't throw them away
@travisreed40706 ай бұрын
Nobody is worth trowing away..these kids was spoiled
@esotericenigmamelaninshe12536 ай бұрын
So let them rent a room from YOU
@positiveenergy41316 ай бұрын
They don't give a damn about the young men being psychologically tortured. Only thing they care about is having fresh young slaves on the plantation (prison).
@cmac1loc6 ай бұрын
@@esotericenigmamelaninshe1253kids often experience trauma from the way they're treated. No one deserves to be killed but parents need to he accountable
@tynishasimmons80786 ай бұрын
@@esotericenigmamelaninshe1253😂😂😂😂😂😂😅😅
@blucation60608 ай бұрын
Please, if you older enough to leave, then you should have
@iamcalledirenechaliz-lopez7 ай бұрын
Fr😢
@CurativeNutrition6 ай бұрын
I've just written that. You're right.
@leilou192 ай бұрын
This. He could have went on and rented an apartment with a couple of friends. He got mad that his parents cut him off financially and did not want to "adult"
@carolannkaplan15 күн бұрын
He probably stayed to protect his brother.
@vfwh8 ай бұрын
This must be the saddest and the most tragic crime story I’ve ever heard. How these obviously smart kids are so obviously full of love for each other, with a bright future ahead of them, and got to a place in their head to make this insane decision is so awful, makes you want to cry.
@tracihead17358 ай бұрын
I know the younger one and when this happened SHOCKED wasn’t a good enough descriptor for how I felt. He had always presented himself as a cordial and polite young man. I had even dropped him off after his last prom (I was a teacher at the high school) as the parents did the after prom party at their house to provide a safe place for the students. This was just heartbreaking.
@alimax97288 ай бұрын
really, how are the parents doing now? Are they still in the same house?
@KevonialJemonathoy8 ай бұрын
🧢
@rosalindean51148 ай бұрын
Yeah I went to church h with them. They were very involved and loving parents. This was just an act of Satan. ......But God!
@abayaa8 ай бұрын
He didn't just present himself as he is that cordial and polite young man and also a quietly aching boy.
@TheBosslady04178 ай бұрын
@@KevonialJemonathoy how would you know???
@SJOHNSON-CROCKETT-rp6od5 ай бұрын
This DISPATCHER needs to be FIRED period. She didn’t let her know HELP is on the way!!! That’ll make you give up 😢
@tommeredith74628 ай бұрын
I can understand how one feels having a father that is distant and your only in his favor when you are serving a specific purpose of your father. This does not justify the actions of these brothers participating in their attempted murder. My mother was precious, I wasn’t my fathers favorite child.
@JennieAndrews-l8j8 ай бұрын
Thats almost everyone. Did we kill our parents.
@QuadriviumNumbers8 ай бұрын
Justify? Stop regurgitating trite soundbites and use intelligence to form your opinions! It EXPLAINS IT, Justifying has nothing to do with it!
@tommeredith74628 ай бұрын
@@QuadriviumNumbers GFY!!
@jayjones27918 ай бұрын
These are spoiled rich kids! Clearly they are out of their mind!!! They are healthy, fed, cared for, not being abused. I mean so i can only imagine what they are saying isn’t nowhere near as bad as they make it seem! Prolly never been beat or anything! Is mean his life is based of a song called “rich kids problems” lol shit st they ages i had been on my own
@niawashington60048 ай бұрын
Just a bad as the Menendez Brothers
@GinaAllen-fd6wh8 ай бұрын
I’d have been so proud to have had a son so academically successful!!!! I cannot imagine not supporting my kids in what they wanted, especially college!!!
@CMoore85398 ай бұрын
I feel the same way.
@faithgirl88448 ай бұрын
Right! The dad (parents) using the weapon of control and manipulation. To be honest person can only take so much. I feel like the dad was trying to live his “failed dreams” through the boys..
@zetar1930818 ай бұрын
I agree! Just a sad situation 😞
@runeplate1238 ай бұрын
Being academically successful doesn’t mean good kids… the environment and how they were brought up makes a BIG Difference.
@DrAlexisM8 ай бұрын
Absolutely. I felt incredibly sorry for these boys watching this. It’s clear from their behaviour that they had endured hell. Such a heartbreaking situation all around.
@WRLDESTROYER8 ай бұрын
He venting to the wrong people, vent to a lawyer
@marksimmons10988 ай бұрын
This Man is beyond lawyers help
@truelife9748 ай бұрын
The problem was that he couldn't vent to his parents!
@13lueBomber8 ай бұрын
These two deserve prison, not a lawyer.
@DrAlexisM8 ай бұрын
You know, I felt like they’d done themselves a favour by speaking to the police before I discovered the crazy sentence. Turns out, as always it was used against them. They could have shared this in court but perhaps they wouldn’t have felt safe to do so with their parents there. I believe these boys need to be nurtured and supported with trauma informed therapy, not locked up for two decades.
@michaelirons27127 ай бұрын
True but the lawyer can work with everything they said
@southernitalianfolkmusic6 ай бұрын
if i could hug those boys I would. Hats off also to the parents who faught for them. It’s never too late for love. 🙏
@enchantedDagonfly8 ай бұрын
Mr. Black!! This my new favorite channel! Thank u!
@zoefree39508 ай бұрын
He’s on so many channels now…brilliant
@latonyajones4397 ай бұрын
So it was all the younger brother. The older one was trying to protect him. Lord have mercy
@bernadettejones72768 ай бұрын
Those kids could NEVER come back in my house though.
@Ibrahim-ei4ij8 ай бұрын
Facts REAL TALK my kids or not they better move
@msrozy918 ай бұрын
EVER!!!!
@Luckyl890778 ай бұрын
Naaaa ya think
@Kitten7710008 ай бұрын
Ya think ?
@jalenshaw32988 ай бұрын
In your house? I would get a restraining order we would never breathe the same air again!
@lexiaaforever4373 ай бұрын
Parents have GOT TO STOP 🛑 Living Their Lives Through Their Children. Let your child grow up & become who they want to be in life. Stop forcing things they don’t want to do .
@isbeltv7 ай бұрын
I may have an unpopular point of view about the "motive". What I am seeing are two boys in a state of disassociation (the older one more so than the younger) after years of weaponized silence & transactional love by their parents. What happened that night, was the culmination of years of psychological torture in the heads of those two boys triggered by the father's assault on the younger brother, which was seen as as the final straw in this lifelong injustice, giving way to their darker instincts in the human psychology that sought retribution against their "parents" for being their " their abusers". Although, I may not be able to comprehend ever hurting my parents (I love them dearly), I also know that there are plenty of household where children are regularly humiliated (silent treatment, mockery, induced in-sibling rivalries etc.) if the child fails to meet a standard that purely benefits the parent. Often, the reward for following the parent's wishes, is the parent's "Love" (ie - Their father: Play football & in exchange, I will "Love" you). For ANY human being who grew up in a household like this, this is deeply hurtful. Although not physical, it IS A VIOLENT ACT against the sanctity of a child's innocence. Over time, as the child grows up, this wound does not go away until the parent outweighs the damage by celebrating their child's self worth outside of their parent's wishes-- while in full receipt of the parent's unconditional Love & adoration. As a society, we may assign the criteria of a "parent" to these boy's mother/father, but the brother using lyrics of a song to describe how he felt, & the older bother's recollection of life events with stifled breakdowns, leads me to believe that communication (or, lack thereof) was weaponized in that home. As social creatures, It is through frequent communication with the parent, that the child internalizes ideas about themselves through what their parents or primary caretakers, are telling them. Words signify ideas that provide the child a framework to decipher their parent's wishes, motivations, & to assure themselves that -- in fact -- they are loved just because they exist. Sounds like these parents were poor communicators, & accross 17 (younger brother) & 22 (Older brother) of existance without proper communication, those boys were left to come up with their own framework to decipher how to appease their parents, who appeared to only care if the boys obeyed. If you can draw parellels to circumstances in human history, where subjects are hungry for fundamental resources (food, shelter, water) they will engage in acts of violence against their tyrant (not, always, but frequently enough). In like fashion, a child who has come to the conclusion (I say "child" since childhood wounds accompany you no matter how older you get) that their parents are witholding love to torture them for not making them happy, may enter a state of absolute rage, since there was no reason the parent should have witheld such a fundamental resource that was needed for their development.
@AnnaSzabo7 ай бұрын
You’re 100% right.
@19671967tc7 ай бұрын
I 100% agree. Not excusing thier behavior but there was some issues with the parents upbringing of thier kids. I wonder if they look back with regret on thier relationship especially the dad.
@TheBOG37 ай бұрын
@@19671967tc*Their
@essencemanuel19547 ай бұрын
Well said
@margaretrosemakoni70967 ай бұрын
It's sad that the parents never saw the injustice they did to their children. In Africa a child never pays fees for themselves. Family rallies around to help. I believe these parents are far well off than a lot of parents in Africa. Yet there's thousands and thousands of university graduates coming from Africa to UK and America. It's the self centeredness which some people in the west have. Which is very sad.
@Buffy831908 ай бұрын
This should be at least a lifetime movie.
@atlantik7708 ай бұрын
When I see something like this I am just grateful for my parents!!
@sandib42348 ай бұрын
Me to even though I had it rough I would never have hurt my Parents!!
@SrKA1838 ай бұрын
Always respect your parents if u have great parents ❤ i dont have but im used to be but if u have try to be with them always when u hav3 the chance
@atlantik7708 ай бұрын
@@SrKA183 They died 12 years ago but they always there
@dsmith45138 ай бұрын
They should have been glad for their parents who provided them with a home and didn't abuse them. But The SONS Felt ENTITLED, PARENTS SHOULD HAVE PUT THEM OUT. 22 yr living with parents & not respecting them!
@anxietylounge84388 ай бұрын
It sounds like you had great parents who guided you in the right direction in life! That makes a huge difference in the type of adult you turn out to be. I'm so glad that you had the parents you clearly deserve. Sounds like you have a very good head on your shoulders!
@kayfeathers72095 ай бұрын
Parents: Listen to your kids and adult children, your life just might depend on it .
@mariachristou43648 ай бұрын
"When a kid don.t feel the warmth of the family he will burn down the village"!
@Leeleesfiiles8 ай бұрын
HELLOOOOOOOO
@priscillasmith63068 ай бұрын
They are just evil
@TONYFROMFL8 ай бұрын
@@Leeleesfiileshellooo
@slaymarie_rdh_2B8 ай бұрын
There was warmth! These boys had both parents and the opportunity for education, The love of money was the culprit here!
@theoryofpersonality14208 ай бұрын
No, It's a choice.
@icecreamladydream8 ай бұрын
No sympathy. My mom was a horrible parent. Never in a million years would i want any harm to come to her. These males are evil.
@Goneinsane6168 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@tsmith35228 ай бұрын
My Mom battered and abused me and Dad as I grew up; she was an alcoholic. She went to jail for scratching Dad's face and throwing clorox in his face. We never tried to harm her back.
@xten11118 ай бұрын
Good for you🎉 everybody didn't incarnate to experience the same thing, the 1INFINITE CREATOR EXPERIENCING ITSELF
@CoachBad8 ай бұрын
Where you been Rashida?
@magicworld32428 ай бұрын
Her children grew up and wanted to delete her. I guarantee you, she was a horrible and extremely abusive mother. She's the one that was evil. She just got her Karma. PERIOD.......
@lisasowers92728 ай бұрын
So heartbreaking hearing the call she made to 911. And then the call ended. So horrifically sad.
@takeitzenman78948 ай бұрын
Geez. I watch interrogations literally every single day and this was a truly difficult one to watch. Truly sad all the way around.
@relaxingsoundsofrainvideo65117 ай бұрын
Hurt people, Hurt people! That’s the bottom line. They were all hurt.
@lorimcbrayer84316 ай бұрын
They had a choice to move and get a place together.
@reesiejames4 ай бұрын
@@lorimcbrayer8431with what money? I’ve lived through something similar luckily I had somewhere to go
@CeoMainman8 ай бұрын
This is why I'm a proud Foster Child...I wasn't spoiled but Was cared for, I didn't feel privileged I felt blessed, we didn't have the best but we had Love and a Real Family who taught us that shit don't always go your way....but never give up and let God do the Rest.
@VegasKandy488 ай бұрын
Amen
@gogoldiego8 ай бұрын
Amen. God bless you and your journey in life.
@ladybird4918 ай бұрын
Many people did but still did violence, evil can take over anyone, even someone living in a good home.
@pauladouglas98917 ай бұрын
These weretwo very sensitive boys with a father who put football above anything they wanted to do. And refused to even talk to them, they just exploded in frustration and rage.
@party2theppl9698 ай бұрын
What is even more heartbreaking, the parents did not want to press charges against their kids after they tried to put their lights out
@whatistruth11558 ай бұрын
I know, right?
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr28238 ай бұрын
Hmm, I believe I'm starting to see the PROBLEM here...coddling.
@IFITAINTBROKEDONTBRAKEIT8 ай бұрын
Maybe they finally got the idea that they shared responsibility in the actions of these young men. Some kids disconnect and never talk to their parents again, some stick around around the relationship is tumultuous and some do this.
@godschildyes8 ай бұрын
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 EXACTLY 💯 % Finally someone called it out! 😮
@godschildyes8 ай бұрын
@@IFITAINTBROKEDONTBRAKEIT No! They spoiled and cottled them. When they finally decided to pull back,their sons didn't like it!
@Over60sowhat8 ай бұрын
Chris and Cameron's love for each other was touching. I'm so glad they weren't successful in killing their parents. Thank God.
@SharronDenice8 ай бұрын
I dont think they love each other at all because loved ones dont allow you to follow through on something so horrible.
@Over60sowhat8 ай бұрын
@@SharronDenice I remember hearing an interview with George Foreman where he said when he was younger he didn't even know robbing and beating people up were wrong. Murderers can feel love and attachment.
@SharronDenice8 ай бұрын
@@Over60sowhat oh I’m sure they can but it’s hard to believe it was present while they were together plotting to off their parents. At lease the big brother should have felt “something” for his little brother and stop the insanity even if they both despised their parents. I love you found the silver lining though, that’s commendable
@Over60sowhat8 ай бұрын
@@SharronDenice Yeah... I agree that if you love someone you don't let them do something bad. You're right.
@SharronDenice8 ай бұрын
@@Over60sowhat i wish Love was taught and experienced
@mythoughts23558 ай бұрын
That dispatcher needs some hearing aids. This woman fighting for her life has to repeat herself multiple times, and she’s very calm nearly going unconscious, and this dispatcher keeps getting her to repeat what she just said clearly
@donnab80008 ай бұрын
The dispatcher was trying to keep her on the line. She already called for the police early in the call and they were on their way to the home. She had to keep mom on the phone
@cherylbrantley47368 ай бұрын
@@donnab8000No she wasn’t, you’re giving her a lot of credit.
@YUMp38 ай бұрын
have to remember these audios are probably remastered for us to hear them well on these videos, I doubt its the same quality audio in the dispatcher's ear in real time, & we also have the words captioned for us to read along... perhaps she really couldn't make out what she was saying
@nursehoney248 ай бұрын
She’s trained to keep the caller talking & on the phone. Help has already been dispatched within seconds of that call. The only way that dispatcher can assess an unseen situation, is ask as many questions as you can, also very importantly, all those questions helps them determine how safe that scene is. Also repeating questions will help keep the caller calm as they’re waiting for the help that’s on the way. I know it sounds & seems so inhumane at such a tense & crucial time, but the longer they can keep that victim that’s fighting for their life talking & answering questions, it could very well lots of times, be the very thing that keeps that victim fighting & hanging in there until paramedics & cops reach that destination.
@BuddahHass23608 ай бұрын
Man that dispatch sucks..
@sweetpea74556 ай бұрын
I feel so bad for these boys 😢 when they hugged in the interrogation room my heart broke for them. 💔
@heavyizthacrown-58428 ай бұрын
Great job by the interrogator, he got the older brother talking and got the younger brother to confess. A good interrogator simply says “tell me what happened” and lets the suspect fill in the blanks. Great job 👏🏾
@megmoe438 ай бұрын
It's scary how many people in the comments are taking every word these guys are saying as fact. They just tortured and attempted to kill their parents. They wanted to blow up that big house. They were both doing drugs for years. They are certainly capable of lying. They wanted the cops to feel bad for them. If the parents were so bad and hard on them why would they forgive them?
@monicatolden3538 ай бұрын
Thank you! Like wtf, I feel no sympathy or empathy for them!
@deescott83128 ай бұрын
Agreed if their parents was so bad why not leave
@motleymama65878 ай бұрын
Yeees! I just said the same thing. I haven’t heard one thing the parents did that would warrant this reaction.
@noahh23388 ай бұрын
💯
@susanengel-ix8bl8 ай бұрын
Exactly, these two planned this ,it takes an evil mind, in this case two, to almost get away with this, all they had to do was leave home, but no, they wanted to get rid of them??
@athensmajnoo36618 ай бұрын
If the elder one was soooooo unhappy, he could have just moved out...... Why try kill parents, get younger one in trouble????
@sunnystormy49738 ай бұрын
-ikr ... !-
@pppppwuei8 ай бұрын
lol bum ass HAD A JOB i dont see why he couldnt move out at like 23 lollll
@Jebe_Noyon8 ай бұрын
He blatt 🤣
@m3mn0nYT8 ай бұрын
Why are you assuming he never did? He clearly says at mark 19:00 both brothers were meant to be out of the house for the Navy and the youngest, soonest he graduated. He seems very protective of his younger brother - he keeps saying “we did this … we did that”, while the younger brother takes full responsibility, saying “I stabbed my father … I poured gas all over the house” , suggesting the older is covering for him. How do you know he never left because he didn’t want to leave his younger brother with his parents? He clearly says at the start of the interview, his father had started physically abusing his younger brother - slapping him etc. - and, in the interview with the younger brother, the younger brother says the older was constantly in the habit of breaking them apart when physical fights between the two of them escalated. Didn’t the older brother say, at the start of the interview, the younger brother fled home for weeks after a physical altercation with his father? Did we watch the same interview? We shouldn’t always draw conclusions so rapidly and be quick to condemn people because we will never know the complete truth of what happened, only the people who were actually there. I’m inclined to believe these parents are not at all innocent also and created an emotionally toxic home for their children.
@athensmajnoo36618 ай бұрын
@@m3mn0nYT I totally understand the brothers are trying to protect each other and both seem to have undergone abuse from dad, I know it is a sad situation, but getting out , staying away from dad moving to a far away place seems to be a far better option than murder.
@nashbullet32133 ай бұрын
No matter what the parents did, there’s NO justification for murder
@aliciakrause24878 ай бұрын
I hated my dad growing up! He was extremely abusive mentally and emotionally. My siblings and I would joke about pushing him down the stairs after he is old and in a wheel chair bc we couldn't do anything about it then. THANK GOD WE NEVER DID ANYTHING bc my dad is the biggest teddy bear now and we all love him very much. He has changed so much over the years and I regret ever feeling that way about him.
@Arimas-bx2rt7 ай бұрын
I felt the same way about my dad but I don't think our dad's have changed much. I think we're just older and wiser so we understand their reasonings better now.
@shachede68287 ай бұрын
@@Arimas-bx2rtthis! Growing older helps you understand a lot of parents are doing their best. This doesn’t excuse abuse, neglect, and lack of validation.
@kelcey75797 ай бұрын
Their go u got wise and understood@@Arimas-bx2rt
@Samuel-hz3os7 ай бұрын
My dad was cruel to me. But I never would try to kill him. I just left.
@Alex-bb9lc7 ай бұрын
He abused you, but he's a teddy bear? Those two do NOT go together.
@abibradley17418 ай бұрын
My Mum kicked me out at 14 for 6 months. I lived with my brothers girlfriend and had absolutely nothing. Then kicked out again just before I was 16 I never did drugs had boyfriends or behaved badly just the odd backchat and truancy (nothing major i was a pretty good kid) My parents worked I grew up around people with money, My parents owned their house had their own cars and life insurance. I held anger and a grudge but I got on with it. I lived a troubled life for a while in and out of employment, bad realtionships, had a child at 18 and lived turbulent life... I am now 40 with 3 very amazing succesful children, im succesful in my work and home life and have a great relationship with my mum. The sympathy everyone feels is misplaced IMO. No amount of excuses, excuses murder. Mental health problems anger and resentment yes, murder NO! We can all say we were wronged treated badly but it doesnt excuse trying to murder the person that wronged you somehow.
@oliviaa_clairee8 ай бұрын
period
@schrisdellopoulos92448 ай бұрын
Everyone? Speak for yourself.
@nycgirltee8 ай бұрын
👏🏾 thank you! We all have a sad story some worse than others it doesn't give us a pass to kill people
@Jsarmy871248 ай бұрын
They couldn't kick you without 30 days notice plus at 14 you had right !
@marisolflores43388 ай бұрын
@@Jsarmy87124what are you on about?🤨
@leonorcobos99468 ай бұрын
This is story is so heartbreaking
@aplum42186 ай бұрын
For all of those sympathizing with these men, you should be aware that when this story first occured, a relative described them as getting everything they wanted. The oldest son went to 3 colleges in 3 years then enlisted in the Airforce but dropped out of basic training. The oldest son was trying to garner sympathy with the detective who immediately picked up on the motive when he described his other friends having trust funds and driving Maseratis. The full extent of what occured was not relayed. Both could have left at anytime especially the oldest. There are two sides to every story and the fact that both parents forgave their sons is a testament to their love.
@RanaeV55 ай бұрын
That's what I am saying. There are a lot of people that have been severely abused mentally and physically and they don't try to kill their parents or others. Yeah the parents could of been a-holes but it doesn't seem like they were abused lets be for real.
@nashbullet32133 ай бұрын
Finally, some much needed common sense
@daveh3228 ай бұрын
I left home right after graduation from High School. My parents wanted me to do other things. We went through rough times in terms of our relationship. Some were very difficult. Didn't think it would ever recover. But it did. And no one tried to kill anyone. These are just excuses from 2 VERY weak people.
@klassmusicgroup8 ай бұрын
Their story is not your story
@Talk2Neit8 ай бұрын
Yes!!! Weak, spoiled, entitled, brats!
@gogoldiego8 ай бұрын
Exactly
@edwinmwenda9513 ай бұрын
🚮🚮🚮
@bjorkhorseman2 ай бұрын
You want a cookie?
@choppingitupw_sammie60087 ай бұрын
I’m grateful my parents were who they were and gave us what they could.
@setapart34528 ай бұрын
That stupid dispatcher made my blood boil.
@samuelrebecca99158 ай бұрын
So annoying
@willankhatter8 ай бұрын
All dispatchers do this, exactly 🚮
@DARLUCHY8 ай бұрын
Well it’s for a good reason, it’s a tactic of distraction to reduce stress in the victim and to keep them focus and not to lose consciousness. Stop criticizing when you don’t know.
@godisgood50388 ай бұрын
@@DARLUCHYWow! Thanks for sharing...now it make sense. God bless you ABUNDANTLY!
@leandreaferguson10698 ай бұрын
@@DARLUCHY thank you!!! im a dispatcher and reading the comments are horrible because people are so uneducated
@KrystalPrince-s9c4 күн бұрын
The love they have for each other is simply amazing ❤
@vluv95638 ай бұрын
He's following his brother footsteps all right straight to the lockup
@jlfrench36678 ай бұрын
Your comment is very ignorant considering the psychological abuse both of these young men suffered at the hands of their parents. All they had was each other. And it’s clear they are both educated and very intelligent. They just snapped. And made a terrible mistake. They aren’t thugs or hoodlums they were pursuing higher education and the navy. But they are their brothers keeper and they were in this together. This wasn’t a “follower” situation. They were both angry and deeply hurt. But they ultimately told the truth after realizing how wrong this was. And was willing to accept responsibility. And stayed logical throughout the entire interrogation. Give slack and reasonable judgement where it’s due.
@sandib42348 ай бұрын
@@jlfrench3667 BS!! I got my butt whipped with a belt a tree limb whatever my Dad could get ahold of and Mom never intervened. Not one time in my 69 years on this earth did I think about hurting either one!!
@Halloweenfeen8 ай бұрын
@sandib4234 good for you but abuse triggers and effects people differently.
@r3aux8 ай бұрын
@@sandib4234Good for you, bud. Ever consider the fact that it was wrong for you to get whooped like that?
@dwanedexter76858 ай бұрын
@@jlfrench3667 Your comment is considered ignorant, yes they both suffered abuse, but it's still no excuse for the abused to go and attempt to murder their own flesh and blood
@nicolejttmom60618 ай бұрын
This is so depressing😢
@afenismama8 ай бұрын
Man😢😮💨
@queenofattraction8 ай бұрын
Yeah wish they got therapy before this all blew up. There are so many people who feel like this and suppress it. Sorry it exploded like this.
@tiaroulhac14858 ай бұрын
No fa real
@tiaroulhac14858 ай бұрын
The parents are messed up to say the boys aren’t violent! They really didn’t know their kids!
@simeonapajarillo64998 ай бұрын
This happened all the time. Parents are horrible to their kids and parents get murdered. It's parents fault
@NG-wq8hf7 ай бұрын
I'm glad the police officers let them see each other. This whole story is just sad. Respect and peace are so important in the household.
@barbaragladney37637 ай бұрын
Wow what about his parents they're not the victim. Do the things they did to their parents making there home a blood bathe 😮
@NG-wq8hf7 ай бұрын
@@barbaragladney3763 like I said respect and peace are so important in the household from both sides. Parent to child/child to parent. Get it????
@kali4good5 ай бұрын
This was the best outcome for everyone involved. I’m glad those sweet guys were given leniency, and I’m glad their parents gave them grace and forgiveness and I’m glad they’ll be out soon! They have an amazing relationship and deserve the best
@wingv3138 ай бұрын
Imagine your own children trying to kill you 😱😱😱 Both of them are disturbed & dangerous. So glad the parents survived but this must be so hard to live with💔
@cand33cane8 ай бұрын
But surely you’re going to be looking at WHY you have TWO disturbed kids. One you can probably explain as unfortunate but TWO?! I’d be looking very very closely at who raised them and how…
@carlylouis38218 ай бұрын
@@cand33cane Thanks for clarifying because she clearly didn't understand
@dennazz21508 ай бұрын
Parents should stop abusing their kids
@crabb99668 ай бұрын
The dad wouldn't talk to his successful son when he stopped football, the whole family had problems as far as I can tell.
@wingv3138 ай бұрын
@@cand33cane that is very true. 🤔 I didn’t want to shame the parents but honestly, a full psychological mental health assessment of them is crucial to understanding why & how BOTH kids got to that point. I’m sure 1 brother was more dominant & devised the plan but both were definitely disturbed.