Bruckner: Symphony No.9 - Sir Simon Rattle/Berliner Philharmoniker

[@Verklarung5]

The finale to the Bruckner 9th is just great. It took me a while to get it, but once I did, it was amazing. I'm so glad I was able to experience it. I am fully convinced that Bruckner would be very satisfied if he knew the way it was finally realized and played. Listen to it! Give it a few tries and you'll be convinced too!

[@iduefoscari]

Bruckner finaly after 115 years can stand on the pedestal next to Beethoven with this, the supreme masterpiece in the whole symphonic repertory. .The fourth his most lyrical. The fifth has his greatest final movement coda. The sixth ,the most original opening movement with a chorale coda with over 30 modulations.The seventh with the homage to Wagner.The eighth,which Celibidache and Von Karajan considered the absolute symphonic masterpiece.And now the supreme 9th completed.

[@iduefoscari]

Changjiiang-The first three movements of the Bruckner 9 are amongst the finest of any movements in the whole symphonic repertory.Yes, there is something satisfying as Bruckner finaly appears to die peacefully in his "farewell to life" and goes to meet his maker. BUT Bruckner was still not sure where he was going and we can tell that from the opening of the fourth , with the repetitive dotted quavers,surely the birth of minimilism.No, this symphony does need its finale,and boy ,do we get it

[@iduefoscari]

There is a great scene towards the end of the film " Alive" wnen Nando says to a despairing Canessa who can only see mountains in every direction for miles, " Man its great to be alive" . I am 66 years old , not in the greatest health, but , man is it great to be alive to hear the finale of the Bruckner 9 .The greatest symphony ever composed. If you have BBC I Player,you can hear the final movement on " CD Review" where this performance has been given 5 stars .

[@CianMalikides]

My god I agree.. the more I listen to it the better it gets

[@roadwaywiz]

whether you agree with this completion or not, the plain fact is that the three movement symphony leaves much to be desired musically and the only way to bring the work to a full and proper close is by hearing this finale. all in all, this is the most convincing realization of it that i've heard, and the BPO does an incredible job in making it happen! well done!

[@roadwaywiz]

in a strictly musical sense, the finale is essential to understanding the piece as a whole. take for example, the fact that most of the themes/material appearing in the finale is based on material heard in the first three movements: the 1st theme is derived from the 1st mvmt's 1st theme; the chorale theme is a restatement of a horn passage in the adagio; and of course the "hymn of praise" comes to us from the trumpets in the adagio as well.

[@emilianocorradi4079]

Marvellous! Thank you so much for that explanation!

[@shantihealer]

The 4-movement complete version. I love it! Nothing more magnificent in music. Except perhaps others of Bruckner's titanic symphonies.

[@mr-wx3lv]

I love it too. But I think there is just too much of a final statement in the colossal adagio not to be taken seriously. A real problem for conductors and musicologists.

[@mr-wx3lv]

But what it does prove is how much fresh music Anton was capable of writing, even right up to his final days.

[@threethrushes]

I'm no Bruckner scholar, but to my layman's ears, the Finale passes muster.

[@annakimborahpa]

At 3:47 the caption states 3: Adagio (third movement) but the music is from the first movement's second theme.

[@dudel39]

thank you i kept skipping through the movement and just couldnt find it.

[@tankej]

Tremendous interview. I have been waiting, and shall wait no longer, to get myself a copy.

[@femmesistor7871]

I love it!!!

[@banjocracy]

The Finale is fascinating and has many fantastical inspirations and new harmonic sounds, such as the juxta-positioning of triads a tritone apart in the opening. There is a sense of exploring a new world (which Bruckner might have seen Life after Death as being). But the inspiration is not consistently present. Some passages sound cadaverous as if Bruckner were obsessed with the image of the ossuary of monks's skulls in the crypt beneath the organ at St Florian. Other moments seem to betray a composer consciously struggling to find an inspiration which he knew in his heart was beyond him. Mostly, the Finale's grandest moments do not seem inevitable, and increasingly so as the movement progresses. The fugue is a prime example and is more or less redundant. Compared to the tremendous finales of the 5th (irresistible), 7th (exuberant) and 8th (titanic) this finale does not generate a convincing momentum which would allow it to stand alongside (never mind complete) the first three movements. I talked with Robert Simpson two years before his death after we had just listened to one of the several completions available at the time and he noted laconically that he didn't think Bruckner would have been satisfied. Of that I have no doubt.

[@JeeRant]

banjocracy I tend to agree, the reconstructed 9th finale, despite some very striking material, has always struck me as a stitched-together collection of fragments rather than a coherent and musically satisfying whole. Besides the first three movements are so magnificent as to be artistically complete, at least in my opinion.

[@litoboy5]

stunning !!! you had raise the bar again!!!

[@iduefoscari]

. The genius of this final movement is that we are hearing inklings of the later Schoenberg as opposed to the early Schoenberg at the beginning of the adagio.The 9th is the forerunner to so much later music. This is 20th century composed however late in the 19th. We hear the beauty of the Tallis by Vaughan Williams in the Adagio, but also the iron and steel music of Prokofiev and Shostakovich. Mahler uses the same theme in his own 9th symphony as Bruckners "farewell to life".

[@JimTLonW6]

Most interesting, I've not played this for a few months, but coming back to it, it seems to be so much more effective than when I first heard it!

[@guidepost42]

The third movement ends the third movment perfectly

[@TheFriejo]

3:50 is wrong! The music is from the 1st movement!

[@changjiang001]

it ends the symphony perfectly

[@riaklop]

great

[@bobfrancis8594]

Maybe you're not interested, but Bruckner apparently was since he wrote it.

[@stephanzhechev141]

OMG, the tender excerpt is from the 1st movement and not from the third!

[@osrub5787]

+Stephan Zhechev Yes, you are right!

[@D800Lover]

That's right, that hit me too, definitely 1st movement.

[@ameliacaspurro8095]

Sir Simon Rattle É um --MAESTRO--fantástico!!! Amélia Caspurro

[@famuhao967]

Bruckner đã bỏ dở chương IV. Thật đáng tiếc.

[@iduefoscari]

Does anybody know when Bruckner completed the THIRD movement of the 9th? Was the "farewell to life" written when he knew he could not complete the symphony? Because I believe i that if anything is wrong with the the fourth movement ,it is the way the third movement ends.. I just think if the third movement ended in the dissonance of the frightening visit to HELL and not Heaven as many say, the beginning of the fourth movement with its minimalistic dotted quavers leading to the chorale would of made more sense. Yes the ending of the choral is still dissonant.BUT we are at least beginning to get to a resolution after a torturous journey to "Hell and Back" Foscari-Barry Bernstein

[@mrsneaky2010]

iduefoscari 1894, two years before he died

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

The answer to your question is: November 30th, 1894. So he still had one year and ten and a half months to live.

[@boxers7x5]

Opening of the 3rd movement.

[@guidepost42]

If you are right. why do you suppose Bruckner spent so much time on what, by your definition, must be an unnecessary 4th movement?

[@Skidoo22]

Bruckner would never have settled with what he left for the finale, he would have rewritten it, the material isn't strong enough and he probably knew it, his health got in the way of his creative juices.

[@CaracolTulus]

anybody knows which part of the symphony is the one sounding at the beginning of this video?

[@FilipusWisnumurti]

Any idea where to buy the score of this new finale?

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

Any bookstore should be able to get it for you. Here it is repertoire-explorer.musikmph.de/en/product/bruckner-anton/

[@mr-wx3lv]

Lol, he said there's more Bruckner in this than in Mozart's requiem....As far as I know there is no Bruckner in Mozart's requiem...🤔

[@threethrushes]

Bruckner the time traveller.

[@robertofajardo920]

Oh my god what an idiot.

[@Balfour.]

There's an old quote about Deryl Cook's succesive reconstructions of Mahler's unfinished symphony that goes "there's more Mahler in his Tenth than there's Mozart in his Requiem". Maestro Rattle just rephrased it here to refer and promote his performance of the 'completed' Bruckner's 9th.

[@iduefoscari]

And how much is Hans Zimmer indebted to Bruckner. One of the finest musical endings to any film is Zimmers "The Da Vinci Code". Where do you think this minimilism comes from? Yes , Bruckner is also the founding father of minimilsm.

[@klavierklang]

You have a good ear. Of courae zimmer is an aprentice of Bruckner. Not a genius like him but Bruckner influence him. Not agree in saying that Bruckner is a minimalist or a father of minimalism. Repetition in Bruckner's music have another final idea. And is the result of an inmense work of spiritual, mental and supreme skill of his hole musical soul.

[@mrsneaky2010]

The very ending sounds too "convenient " it's just a simple rising motif played by the brass with swirling strings behind. Yes it sounds very Brucknerian but I think the composer would have put a bit more complication s just here. But it is a fair effort and full marks to the musicians for keeping the orchestration Brucknerian and not slipping into the world of John Williams film scores..!

[@annakimborahpa]

It is what precedes the concluding D Major peroration that puts the ending in perspective. In the fourth movement's coda Bruckner: (1) quotes the first movement's opening theme, (2) restates the main themes of all four movements in combination, and (3) returns to the unresolved dissonant climax from the third movement Adagio. What you hear beginning at 6:48 of this clip is the fourth movement's resolution of that dissonant climax taken from the third movement. In effect, the "convenient" ending makes lucid sense out of all that has gone on previously in the symphony.

[@MrBrandenBurn]

It's actually the "Hallelujah theme" from Bruckner's another composition "Psalm 150" (Appears in the beginning of trio section, beginning of third movement, and the chorale theme in fourth movements

[@jackwilmoresongs]

I'll always take the Bruckner 9h with three movements, closing with that serene peaceful third movement conclusion. Adding more music to it is like adding to Schubert's Unfinished Symphony. Sorry he ran out of time. That's God's sovereignty. Bruckner may have prayed to complete it. And God's answer was No. Amen.

[@robertofajardo920]

Although I am a fan of the Fourth Movement version performed by Rattle and the BPO, I deeply respect this analysis and observation, how it was God's Providence that Bruckner simply ran out of time. Well said, and your point is made much more professionally and maturely than so many of the stupid and snarky comments I find.

[@jackwilmoresongs]

@@robertofajardo920 Thankyou for your comment. The story of king Hezekiah comes to mind. His requested extension of time was a failure for him.

[@D800Lover]

I wonder if that four phrase rhythmic figure, that Bruckner had something in mind, YHWH, the Tetragrammaton?

[@changjiang001]

the third movement ends this symphony perfectly.

[@jackwilmoresongs]

Leave the finale off. I will always regard the third movement as the sovereign conclusion to Bruckner's last symphony. The impact of first hearing that conclusion was unforgettable. It was love for life for Bruckner's music from that moment. I think the 9th symphony should be its three movements and no experiments added on.

[@sansumida]

No way! I am now becoming a Finale obsessive, I am devouring all versions of this finale - a ride through Dante's inferno ....

[@mrsneaky2010]

To be honest, I'm warming to the finale more and more. Because the ending of the adagio is frequently called his "farewell to life " we are stuck with that mindset and conductors have always finished the ninth with that mindset. But supposing we approached the adagios of symphonies 7 & 8 in similar way, we could quite happily say that those movements endings were moving enough not to expect another movement afterwards. So as Rattle said, there is a long playing tradition of the first 3 movements and nothing with the added finale. So I think we should expect more Ninths with the finale. And with so much great music in it, why not!?!

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

It is inconsequential what you regard as a souvereign conclusion. Bruckner did not regard it as such. He never wanted it performed in the 3 movement form.

[@D800Lover]

This is simply not true, he worked on the Finale for several years and composed most of it, in fact more than 90%, so how can you say he wanted only a 3 movement form. It's just not so.

[@famuhao967]

Cần có một cái kết có hậu cho câu chuyện.

[@dvdlpznyc]

yes bruckner wrote 90% of the music, but he didn’t rewrite it and rewrite it and rewrite it and rewrite it and rewrite it and rewrite it... additionally, rattle is just a little bit flavorless...

[@jackwilmoresongs]

Leave the Bruckner Ninth ALONE ! Not interested in a fourth movement.

[@sansumida]

So what about Elgar's 3rd, Tchaikovsky's 7th or Mahler's 10th Symphonies? Or even the Mozart Requiem?

[@amydunne25]

Sandor Szarvas yeah Elgar's 3rd, Tchaikovsky's 7th and Mahler's 10th all sound good if they had of been composed/started by the composer.

[@shantihealer]

Just walk out of the concert before the 4th movement starts. Easy!

[@alanrobertson9790]

No problem, I love the 4th movement but nobody has to listen to it or any other music.