Brundle and Scheckter on Schumacher

Martin Brundle and Jody Scheckter discuss Michael Schumacher's comeback to the sport in 2010 and their all-time top drivers

[@jeremyschumacher4932]

I agree with brundle. It really depends on the definition of “the best”. If the definition is simply the most natural talent behind the wheel, its Senna, he was fearless, ruthless, exciting, courageous... all or nothing approach.... a Hero that deserves all the respect and praise he gets. RIP.... Michael is the more compete driver, if the definition is expanded to not just performance behind the wheel but whole package, developing the car, the team, strategy, fitness, tyre management, developing new technologies, and just straight determination and hard work .... its Schumacher. Senna and Schumacher going head to head beyond 1994, ... I think senna would have more poles and many hero drives, but over course of a season Schumacher would have an edge .... his style is the benchmark of the drivers of today for a reason... although it’s certainly less exicting than Senna’s style. Both great champions, just depends on your definition of “greatest driver”.

[@schumachergirl1956]

I agree with Jody, Michael Schumacher might be a bit of a bother to some drivers but i have found him the best always by 100 per cent no matter who is world champion, Michael is far the best f1 driver of all time.

[@scentland4753]

How funny they never remember what Senna did to many of the drivers including Michael and especially Nannini. Senna had the same reckless style as Schumacher but its more hype to hail him, than to say I love Michael Schumacher and he is the best. He is. Was....

[@GTAGIS]

+Scent Land (“Chris Georg”) If you are talking about Hungaroring 1990, whqt is the problem ? Senna tried to pass and Nanini shut the door. They collided and Nanina was off . So what is the big issue ? overtaking in such track was difficult and Senna tried. He tried on Boutsen but could not pass. Can you compare that with . Spoonface driving an illegal B-194 ? Spoonface benefiting from illegal refuelling system that year ? Spoonface colliding on purpose with Hill to be WDC ? Spoonface colliding on purpose with Villeneuve aiming to be WDC ? Spoonface bringing his broken car on the track at Zeltweg in order to create a red flag after having crashed on the first corner ? Spoonface sending Frentzen out at Montreal 1998 and since, we hqve these fucking white line at the exit of pitlanes. Spoonface steeling Barrichello 2nd place at Zeltweg in 2001 ? Spoonface steeling Barrichello win at Zeltweg 2002 ? Spoonface putting on purpose his car in the middle of the track at Monaco ? That one is a mega-gang-bang-bukkake-bitch trick Spoonface sending Barrichello in the wall at Hungaroring 2010 ? etc .........

[@scentland4753]

+GTAGIS Whom are you referring to as "spoonface"?

[@GTAGIS]

Scent Land The first nickmane of Michael Schumacher

[@KKinterlude]

hey chris, funny that i found u in the comments on a formula 1 related video

[@TheKestevon]

Senna deliberately collided with Brundle in f3.

[@AMS97PS3]

"All the great champions are ruthless" - Vettel - Malaysia 2013 ;)

[@mandeepreehal8460]

Look I''m a schumi fan through and through, but you cannot compare all F1 drivers from different Era's you can only view from there Era alone. You have Fangio, Clark, Jackie, G Hill, Hunt, Senna, Schumi, Alonso, Hamilton etc etc it just goes on and on. But the key thing is they all brought magic and raised the bar to a new level for the next generation to be that much better.

[@christianschollaert2764]

The One And Only Schumi "The Legend"

[@minhhoang_belula]

They were all jealous of Michael

[@Richard-qu5vi]

You're an idiot

[@sam-nariman6236]

@@Richard-qu5vi Martin Brundle never liked him, this is a bit because he is a German racing driver. Brits don't like German racing drivers and always question the hate around Lewis Hamilton.

[@willbeattie9985]

@@sam-nariman6236 Not really, a lot of british people these days don't like Hamilton. I agree with you that before the Hamilton era Schumacher wasn't a popular driver here but now the way that the world championships are won by Lewis I think it's helping build Schumacher's fanbase/reputation

[@vrzM8]

@@sam-nariman6236 No... this about actual incidents. For instance Vettel is a less dirty driver. Schumacher shouldn't be protected from criticism just because he's talented and successful

[@Phoenix1664]

@@sam-nariman6236 You have no idea what you're talking about. Schumacher had so many English fans. There were even Brits that wanted him to beat Hill. Compared to other countries the UK has some of the most unbiased fans in the world. Go to other countries and all they talked about is their driver, nothing else. UK is not like that. You can argue. But you'd be wrong.

[@dalfifran7572]

Brundle spoke as if suggesting Michael achievement only come because all stack come for Schumacher favour, have all the resources and in some way just lucky. Yet. Brundle completely ignoring (or pretend to forget) that in order to be able to do so someone has to have and shown a great talent, hard work, develop, loyalty, and many other things. If it was Brundle himself or Damon Hill that go to Ferrari, would Rory Bryne and Ross Brawn would got persuaded to move from Benetton to Ferrari? I dont think so! I bet they would choose to stay at Benetton and rather put their effort for Alesi and Berger on Benetton. One of the reason that Rory Bryne and Ross Brawn moved to Ferrari is because they know Michael exceptional ability and quality, knowing that their effort would not go wasted and could get the maximum from it. Brundle also casually forget that Ferrari has long in the dark, that even Prost has gave up. Alesi and Berger only manage 2 lucky win from 3 years, and that 2 win come because of lead runner has trouble. When Michael came into Ferrari, no one really believed that Ferrari can really uphold to be a championship contender and Schumacher only join for the money (while in fact both Williams and Benetton sponsor of Rothmans and Japan Tobacco willing to pay as much money should Schumacher choose to join them). Remember when Ferrari in his dog year like on his first full season at 1996. Both Schumacher and Irvine have really hard time, they both spin, slide, and crash all over the place (Irvine more so). Irvine even goes to said... "This is the hardest car i've ever driven... It's nearly undriveable". Yet Schumacher able to scored 3 wins and 4 pole that year. Irvine said what Schumacher did on that year is simply amazing, and only someone of Schumacher and maybe Senna could have driven that car. Worse yet, that season both car is flooded with many technical problem. At some point they even have 9 DNS/DNF out of 10 start that Italian press outraged and demand Jean Todt head. Many people tipping that how much longer Schumacher can stay at the team that is so absurd on getting it right. Yet.. Schumacher dismissed it, and stated firmly : "We are a team. We win as a team and lose as a team". He stood by the team and defend them, he didn't falter, badmouthing and crticize the team (at least publicly) or quickly ran to other team when he obviously can go to any team he want. He stay and stood up for the challenge. This kind of loyalty, hard work and ethique helped bring the trust and the best from the team. There is a feeling that everyone in the team dont wont to let down the other and their hardwork wont be in vain. It's all bring the full potential on all of them. Also the team know with his superior skill and ability he could made the difference on the grid, as he is proved it over and over again, winning the race in the car that should not won it (Spain 96, Spa 96, 97, Monaco 97, Montreal 98, Hungary 98, to name the few of many other races). It's only bring the best and respect from the team with his exceptional skill and professionalism attitude. Then just in the next season and after it.. Schumacher is already a serious contender for championship on a car that is obvious nowhere on par to the speed of Williams 1997 or McLaren 1998 of the genius Adrian Newey. Hell.. on opening season 1998, the two McLaren lapped the whole field at the rate of 2-3 seconds faster to the next car. Yes, Ferrari close the gap in mid season, but it was clear that McLaren still has significant upperhand. It was Schumacher remarkable performance that he can made a strong challenge and a serious contender for championship on a car that clearly not the fastest on the grid, and by some considerable margin of 1 - 1.5 secs. The result of Ferrari dominance of 2002 and 2004 is just fruit of his hard work over the long years of struggle. But by no means i regarded as his best years, any decent and good driver could won the championship on that very dominant car! Just as any decent good driver could won the championship on 1992, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, and 1999 of all conquering Williams and McLaren of Adrian Newey car. His best drive and performance to me is his 1991-2000 periode when he doesnt have necessarily the best car on the grid, and yet able to consistently win race, pushing hard and race like a mad man, and made bid to be a strong championship contender, and even goes to won some of it (1994, 1995, 2000). To me... this is Schumacher best performance and greatest achievement. ---- Mansell has to made sure he have the undisputed #1 contract at Williams before he rejoin them at 1991. When Mansell made comeback at 1995 to McLaren and found he is in uncompetitive car and getting killed by the young hungry wolf Finn in the name of Mika Hakkinen, he quickly ran away... Alain Prost need to made sure that he has the best car before he decided to made comeback at F1 and join all conquering Willliams on 1993. Ayrton Senna throughout his carrer always demand the best equipment and car that is available to him. He playing politics (and he is very good at it, although sometimes ugly and go overboard) to get it. First move to Lotus while still under contract to Toleman (later Benetton), then to McLaren while he join forced with Honda, and it is very clear that Senna is Honda golden boy, not Prost, so to some extend he defenitely get the best treatment. Then he quickly decided to abondon ship as soon as McLaren is not the best car. He playing politics again and trashed Mansell by saying Mansell idiot and he (Senna) will drive at Williams for free, calling Prost coward, go batshit with Ron Dennis and refused to raced for McLaren but then settled at race by race basis (at the cost of Hakkinen have to put aside as a reserve driver). Schumacher? He doesn't care even if he didn't get the best car. As long as he know the team capable to develop, support, and strive to get better. Schumacher don't even have the undisputed #1 contract on Ferrari as Irvine can testify for it. There are team order, but tho whom benefit is remain to be seen by who is the fastest and have the highest chance to win the championship race by race and by the season goes. As Irvine and Jody Scheckter said. The fastest guy got the treatment, that's the way it works, and it always is. This is truly proven on 1999, and Schumacher always is a team player, although forced and begrudgilly, he duly done his duty to support Irvine to bid for championship on his comeback, but he never showed and tell it on public his dissapointment. He just got the job done beautifully on Malaysia 99. But the british media always playdown by saying Schumacher number 2 driver play second fiddle and always has to defer (just as shown again with Brundle on this video), when the truth is most of the time they don't even in a positiion to do so. Only on 2002 season Barrichello able to close the gap and challenge Michael on couple of races, that team order can be argued when Ferrari has a very dominant car that in some ways negate Michael skills. But on 2000 and 2001 when Ferrari was not the fastest car or a dominant, most of the time Barrichello was nowehere near Michael and team order would be irrelevant. ---- If Schumacher only go and care for win and championship, he could pick the easy way should he decided to join Williams or staying at Benetton on 1996. Practically he could go to any team he wanted anyway. The whole 1996 driver market (or 1990's decade after Senna died) basically was centered on Schumacher and wait for him to decide his move. But NO! He want a challenge and decided to join Ferrari, who by that time is a joke and on doldrum. He could also join McLaren by 1997/1998 if he want. Ron Dennis very keen to have him and approach Schumacher since Senna pursued Williams drive at the end of 1992. He persuade Schumi again on 1993, and it also being rumoured again on 1997/1998. It's should be easy since Schumi know and have good relationship with Norbert Haug the Mercedes Boss, remember Schumi is sponsored and a protegee of Mercedes on his way to F1. So it is a real temptation, yet he is loyal to struggling Ferrari and keen to finish his job and mission there before he decide something else. At the end he succed doing it in 2000 then proceed to dominate it, it is by far Schumacher biggest achievement that no other driver (yet) can do it. Although for me this is just fruit of his effort after long years of struggle and not his best performance, but he waited long and worked hard for that and he earned it.

[@TheKestevon]

John Barnard refusal to move to Italy was also the reason Rory and Ross got called up to join Ferrrari. Ferrari in 97 was designed by John Barnard.

[@commenttorv5572]

Amazing read. Disproves all the silly anti-Schumacher narratives which make zero sense and I cannot believe how so many people really think that Ferrari was hampering its own drivers to make Schumacher look good although paying him 10 times more money. None of those journalists, etc. can explain me what Ferrari gained from such thing. Your points were clear enough. But I will just add a few more things. "Schumacher had Nr1 status" argument is totally invalid. Because, his Nr1 status was no different than any other drivers', like Hamilton had in 2017 and 2018 when there was finally a rival team that can challenge Mercedes, which was always the case with Schumacher and Ferrari. When there is limited equipment, Nr1 driver gets it. Why else should the team give the Nr2 driver the bad equipment? Why would Ferrari hamper Schumacher's teammates? The teammates were so far from Schumacher that he would be the first one to oppose them being hampered. It could cost WCC and WDC, because they would not be able to steal points from Schumacher's title rivals. Just imagine Irvine stealing one more point from Hakkinen in 1998 so that the 2nd place at the final race wouldn't be enough for Hakkinen to win the title. Or think how useful Schumacher was as a fast 2nd driver in the 1999 season. Or do you think Ferrari were hampering them because they would challenge Schumacher? That is even more crazy. They were paying Schumacher 10 times more than his teammates but still hampering them to make sure they'd not pass?? If they were hampering Irvine, Barrichello, why didn't they just hire slower drivers than them? Was it too hard to find drivers slower than Schumacher? The same people who criticize Ferrari of using team orders are also criticizing for hampering his teammates. Since Ferrari were using team orders when needed, why would they hamper them? Because they'd let Schumacher pass anyway. Just two crazy ideas, which are conflicting with each other. Even in 2002 brazilian GP, the 3rd race of the season, when Schumacher got the only ready f2002 chassis, people were moaning about inequal treatment etc. What was Ferrari supposed to do? Just wait until two are ready? Just to make it fair while there is a championship fight going on and Schumacher is clearly the faster of the two until that point?? And at the first two races of the season, both drivers drove F2001. So, was Ferrari hampering Schumacher, too? Also, Schumacher never won a title with team orders. in 2000, Mclaren used team orders in Indy. Coulthard jumped the start blocked SChumacher and after being overtaken, let Hakkinen pass. And DC got the 10 second stop go penalty much later. And none of these journalists complained about it. Just imagine the roles reversed, Barrichello doing that favour to Schumacher. The hell would break loose. in Australia2000, after both Mclarens are out, Barrichello, who was way behind all weekend, started to get closer to Schumacher and Ferrari told him to back down to save engines. And people were whining again like Barrichello showed even a 1% chance of winning until that point. But when Mclaren did a "no overtake after first corner" deal at Australia98, nobody cared about it. Austria2001 and 2002 also don't mean anything, Schumacher won those seasons in the middle of the summer. And Schumacher let Barrichello pass in Indy2002, and backed off in Nurburgring, Hungary and Italy so that Barrichello could finish the season 2nd. Another thing is, people say he won only with Brawn and Byrne. First of all, Brawn joined Ferrari in 1997 and Byrne in 1998. His race engineer Pat Symonds didn't even join Ferrari at all. Not like he took everyone from the championship winning team. Schumacher was still excellent in 1996 without the Benetton crew. Second, best teams get the best crew and the drivers, so it is no coincidence for good drivers to end up with good crew. And as you said, Schumacher didn't go to Williams or Mclaren when they were clearly faster, but people still act like he benefited from car during his career. It almost looks like he tried to dodge Newey all his career and people still wanna rate him lower. The only season he drove a dominant car was 2002 and 2004. For 2000 and 2001, just compare Barrichello to Coulthard. Ferrari was definitely not the best in 2000 and definitely not dominant in 2001, maybe not even the best. Schumacher and his teammates had 23 front row lockouts during his career. But Hamilton and his have had 75 so far. The dominant machinery Schumacher enjoyed is no way near to Hamilton's. Also, Schumacher's teammates won 15 poles compared to 46 of Hamilton's. Hamilton fans wanna explain this by telling how great drivers Rosberg, Button and Bottas actually are. Wow, there has been hundreds of drivers in the F1 history and 3 of the all time greats just happened to be the all teammates that Hamilton faced since 11 years. Totally not coincidence. Before 2002, when Ferrari was dominant and easy to drive, Barrichello was no better than Irvine compared to Schumacher. In fact, these two were even teammates and Irvine was faster on quali. Considering how Barrichello who was past his prime did against Button (outqualified him in 2009 and over their 4 years together), I don't think prime Barrichello and Irvine are not better than Button. Bottas and Kovalainen are even worse than Button. And, Rosberg was better than Button and it was enough to beat Hamilton. Barrichello and Irvine were rated much higher before being teammates with Schumacher. But that works totally the other way for Hamilton's teammates. It is just a huge deadlock. Hamilton's teammates are great drivers because giving hard time to Hamilton, who is also a great driver for beating them. And then there is Alonso argument. If Hamilton was good enough to beat Alonso in his rookie year, maybe he could have just done better against Rosberg. A single season that took place 13 years ago really doesn't feel so strong now. And even what Schumacher did during 2012 against prime Rosberg (yeah, the guy was in his 7th season and Hamiltons fans want us to think that Rosberg hit his prime in 2016) shows that he would smash Rosberg on his prime easily.

[@dalfifran7572]

@@commenttorv5572 I think we're pretty much on the same page here bud.. :)

[@commenttorv5572]

@@dalfifran7572 Can you give me your reddit account or sth?

[@chokonma9951]

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[@kallo182]

3:23 thats the Point. Brundle dont like to hear it. He would like to hear another Michael-Bash.

[@commenttorv5572]

Sore loser Brundle just didn't shut the hell up so that we can listen Jody Scheckter talk a little bit like we don't listen to Brundle all year. But yeah, Jody was kindly mocking the theory of Schumacher having Nr1 contract. So, Brundle felt like he had to interrupt him. What a stupid thing that contract is by the way. You are paying a driver 10 times less than his teammate and making him sign a contract so that you are making sure that he will stay behind the other guy all the time. Why the hell were Ferrari paying Schumacher so much money then? He was richer than Tiger Woods at some point. And he doesn't know what he is talking about. He is making fun of Schumacher finishing 8th to win the title in Japan2003. It is not like it was Schumacher's fault that the quali was wet on his time that he had to start 14th. And then again it was not his fault that Sato of all people took of his front wing. Totally biased and uninformed. And the funny thing is when Brundle was on his prime his career totally tanked after being annihilated by Schumacher on his first full year, yet he says Senna is the best he raced against although Senna beat him with a smaller margin in british F3 or whatever thing they competed in. But yeah, I bet he saw something we didn't although his record against Schumacher is hilarious. 16-0 in qualifying. Actually, it is even worse than it sounds. 16-0 is not only 1 shy of 15-1. Because, you cannot do worse than that. A 90 year old man could sit on that car and could not do worse than 16-0. He was that slow. Well, compared to Schumacher. And he says Rosberg being faster in 2010, etc. I would like to ask this to Brundle after Monaco2012 qualifying or after the end of 2012 season. At that age (43) Martin was commentating with a huge beer belly in ITV in 2003. If he just paid attention to his work, maybe he could remember later on what happened at the 2003 Japanese GP.

[@disclaimer.imjokin]

Look at what nico did with shumacher as a team mate they were very even more so than what Lewis and nico have been at the end of a season. If shumacher had the car nico and Lewis have had then he'd have done a lot better. Plus simple fact is 4 years out and over 40 he's never going to compete when he's not got the car..

[@ThePanthersdkfz]

Brundle's talking shit about Schumacher and Jody's like 'Don't forget apart from his deeds he was a pretty deng good driver'.

[@henrymoreira7898]

You got it wrong. Saying he is the most complete driver is NOT talking shit

[@akschmidt2085]

Brundle said he's a great driver too. If you don't hear this you're just fangirling a bit too much over Michael. A lot of people were sick of his cheating. Because he didn't NEED it either. But he did it because he had to win every time. Mind you, Senna was whinier about having to win every time than even Michael.

[@ThePanthersdkfz]

@@akschmidt2085 Of course Brundle said he was great, because if he didn't no one would take him seriously. And I didn't claim he never praised MS. All I said is that Brundle never missed an opportunity to take a stab at MS, which is not even debatable. You sound like I denied or defended MS usportsmenlike or unfair moves, which of course at no point I did so STOP putting words into my mouth! Your're beating a straw man. Try understanding what you read, it helps

[@swistral1]

Loved it! Nice to see Jody. But the end says it all for me. Seeeeeeeennnnna!

[@tazio2]

Jim Clark was the best and most gifted driver ever to step into a race car , in an era when there was a better than 25% chance of getting killed

[@fergalhopkins1230]

Fangio

[@Sfcfan120]

@@fergalhopkins1230 Clark was better than fangio. Even fangio agreed.

[@blaumausfrau]

You must realize something. Clark WAS great. But look at the way HIS Lotus handled (brilliantly) compared to the insane badly handling Ferrari that Gilles Villenueva drove compared to Clark. Put Clark in Gilles car and see how he does.? Put Gilles in Clarks Lotus and see how HE did. GV's car was a sliding skidding death trap compared to Clark's smooth as silk Lotus. I'm not saying Gilles was better than Clark. I'm saying that Gilles car wasn't half the car as far as handling that the Lotus of Jim Clark was.

[@Mr18000rpm]

Winning percentage still higher than Senna despite 3 years with Mercedes at over 40 years of age. 50 more wins is still 50 more wins...

[@emelle1283]

50 more wins with 150 more races and 150 more races in better cars. Schumacheer wasnt a patch on Senna

[@johnhassall1782]

Senna died at the height of his powers! Cars were less reliable in the 80s and probably the toughest eara regards rivals! Mansell Prost Piquet Berger,, Berger was a number 2 aswel,, Mansell was also viewed as a number 2 ,, Shumy would have cut it in any eara but stats just don't tell the full picture,,, make a mistake now,, run wide rejoin if you're unlucky you might hit something,, in the 50s60s you'd be lucky to be alive!

[@TheKestevon]

@@emelle1283 Not every year he had the best car.

[@abba9462]

Yes ... but you just cannot compare a complete season, versus one that was halted, possibly even before the peak of it. Senna's car in 1994 could have been even competitive as his MP4/4, but this time he had no World-Champion as a team mate. All respect to Michael, but if Senna was driving a superior Williams in 1994 and 1995, things would be quite different. And 1996 and 1997, those where the weakest champions of F1 ever, Senna would have won if he had any car, doesn't matter what. In those 2 years, Michael was building a champion car, but still with a long way to go. 1998 was different, as suddenly there was some real competition going, ending the Williams dominance.

[@larrylevious8205]

@@emelle1283 Just watch Brazil 1994 and see Michael destroy Ayrton with 100bhp less. Only Michael could do this. Brundle shouldn't talk as MIchael destroyed him and 3 time World Champion Nelson Piquet as a rookie. PS higer winning percentage consistently winning more often, like Schumacher did when compared to Senna

[@blendon8]

after his tyres, I mean the cars nowedays are driving at 60-70 precent. That is not Schumacher's style, but I'm sure when he could get a faster car he would pown everywhone. When you want proofs look at the race of champions he screwed Seb with equal cars. I hate when people use the Rosberg is faster then Schumacher equation, he just isn't he is much faster par to par and Schumacher has already won 7 times , don't compare him with Nico Schumacher had never something to lose.

[@sam-nariman6236]

Why British people always question the hate of Lewis Hamilton while they're hate Schumacher, Vettel and...

[@martin4458]

That is a good point, the number 1 driver is the fastest driver. Get well soon Michael. 🏎️🏁

[@NationOfMasturbation]

All F1 drivers do what they can to win.

[@Richard-qu5vi]

Agreed. And all fans think there hero somehow is the only one that didnt.

[@blendon8]

Did you even saw what happened this season? Schumacher had atleast 5 times technical difficulties and Mercedes has succeeded to screw his race even by making a pitstop. He was extreamy unlucky , not the mention that he could won in monaco easely. Many experts say that he could be in the top 5 racers with points some say top 3. Why do you even compare Vettel with Schumacher Vettel has a the fastest car, even when Schumacher wears soft tyres vettel is still faster. He is born to push not to look

[@saracen7774]

must be a british crowd,they hate micheal.lool

[@heliumtrophy]

Well it is from Autosport so it kinda goes with the territory.

[@addsy6396]

After Senna blocked Warwick from joining Lotus, the brits didn't like Senna much either...

[@flipflop4396]

Addsy Brits are getting irrelevant in F1...all their teams are in free fall

[@addsy6396]

Adicka Adooki sorry, don’t understand how that’s relevant... also, if it weren’t for the Brits, Scumacher and Ferrari wouldn’t have got anywhere. Ross Brawn was a major lynchpin in getting Ferrari out of the doldrums!

[@flipflop4396]

@@addsy6396 Ferrari did it even without Ross...2007...oh yeah they would dominate 2007 and 08 if that British guy didnt sold their car details to Mclaren...which proves my point

[@bazbakmatis]

well put Martin Brundle: "The man with the most God given talent & my greatest driver of all time is Ayrton Senna"

[@michaelroberts2023]

Josef leberer once drove ayrton senna around a very poor area in brazil and josef said that ayrton generally cared about the plight of the poor and that he felt terrible for all those people. Also, he saved erik comas's life. he could be very shy and intraverted of the track, as are many drivers. he was just a normal down to earth guy. Same with schuamcher, just had a quiet private life.

[@flipflop4396]

Senna and Schumacher...who was better? Well thats like Pele and Maradona...we will never know, everyone has own opinion. I watched them both...i was great fan of Senna...i can say they were bit different, Michael is more complete driver, smarter on track..knew when he had to push...while Senna was attractive, people like that...kinda "do or die" driver..which i loved back than...

[@GTAGIS]

+Adicka Adooki According to : - Fangio - Hunt - Prost - Dennis -Williams - Lauda - Berger - Patrese - Villeneuve - Raikoneen - Hakkinen - Brundle - Alesi - Briatore - Hamilton - Alonso - Ascanelli - Dudot - Schumacher etc.... and myself , we know who was the best.

[@Bailey03_C]

GTAGIS your completely right what is our opinion but when you have the opinion of all of the legends ^^ must be 15-20 world champions

[@zacharyrobinson6723]

Japanese wood joining

[@fredswetnam3682]

No, facts speak for themselves. Senna was much older than Schumacher and at that time when Senna died, he had 10 years of Formula 1 racing experience while Schumacher barely had 3 years of F1 experience. _The only correct way to compare the two drivers is as follows:_ Within 10 years of F1 participation, Schumacher won 7 world championships... but within the same period of time, Senna only won 3 championships.

[@emelle1283]

wrong - Schu also won 3 WCs in his first 10 seasons - 94,95,00. He started in 1991 - so 2000 was his 10th season

[@Obetv01]

Funny, Schumacher was judged by completely different standards to everyone else. Thinking of the Hungary incident, did Button do same to Hamilton in Canada 2011? Jensen's just put me in the wall. Were Hamilton's precise words as he retired from the race that Jenson went on to win whilst also taking out Alonso. There was not a word about Jensons dangerous driving that day. By comparison, Barrichello did not end up in the wall.

[@rushhour1310]

Right but this Video is from January 2011 the Button incident didnt happend to this Time. I was later in this year. Please correct me if i am wrong.

[@tomcharlton586]

The difference is that canada was wet. Jenson had no chance of seeing hamilton

[@Obetv01]

@@tomcharlton586 If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.

[@tomcharlton586]

@@Obetv01 go get a refund from your optician pal. Or go try selling that bridge to martin brundle, he blamed hamilton for the collision too.

[@simonkevnorris]

In their first season together at McLaren Senna attempted to put Prost into the pit wall in Portugal.

[@Andylad99]

Out of how many races

[@michaelroberts2023]

For the record, i think jim clark is the greatest ever. So smooth, so clean, and yet he was way faster than everybody else. He won the 1963 belgian grand prix by 4 mins 54 seconds, and it was rainy that day as well. i think it was this race where he got out of the car afterwards and said 'why was everyone else so slow?' And he wasn't mentored from a young age either, his first proper car race wasn't until his very late teens.

[@marks_sparks1]

Michael Roberts Senna himself said that he believed Clark to be the greatest ever

[@TheKestevon]

The greatest in the era where most drivers were not professional racers.

[@TheTororist]

Agree with Jody. By the numbers we have to say Schumacher. And Lewis was the best back when they shot this, like he said. Still is

[@michaelruatfelaralte84]

I have been a fan of F1 for 20 years, and Brundle was and still is so bitter with Michael!! You can smell see hatred and jealousy

[@danielpooley7148]

I don’t know I just think sometimes Michael

[@SeshvirSeodutt]

“You hit the wrong part Michael”

[@michaelastockbauer672]

I don't get the anger...both say pretty much Michael was the best, or at least the best next to or after Senna! ! Even Brundle! He had dark sides...ruthlessness. And thats true. And thats something all the Big Drivers had. Especially the best! Senna and Schumacher were the Most extreme here. But thats ok. The would not have been that great without that...

[@arthusthefirst]

Nice to see some objective points of view... Michael is surely not the most popular driver, but he's the one who has most skills for the moment... Can't wait to see him drive a good car... Perhaps this years, or in 2012. Come one Micheal ! Give us the best that you got !

[@rodris8461]

I for one think that the comparison between Senna and Schumacher should not even be held in anu circumstance, Schumacher had many tgood thinrs going on around him for a very long time, although he was an absolute above average driver, he strod without competition for far too many seasons, he also had the best cars and best engineers, the best team around him.. as opposed to Senna who raced against Prost, Nigel, Piquet for almost all the ten years he had in Formula 1, I for one happen to think Nelson Piquet (which is a very underestimated driver IMHO) was far more complete driver than Schumacher when it comes down to setting ip the car and coming up with new technologies, He was the guy who invented the “tyre warmers” no one else did this back in the day.. who won many races because of that.. so if both of them (Schumacher and Piquet) were to race together maybe Schumacher wouldn’t be able to beat him...So to summarize, Senna is the GOAT IMHO ..

[@Neil0014]

Of course brundle is gona say senna was better, he's a bitter driver who never won a race and he's deffo not gona side with a german. sad man.

[@Richard-qu5vi]

If he had said Schui was his fav and then a Senna fan wrote the bullshit you did, you would probably tell them "let the man have an opinion and just because you don't like it does not mean shit to Brundle so stop crying" Just a guess.

[@TheKestevon]

He is jealous that rookie Schumacher won a race in 1992 but he didn't but he was better than Patrese there is no doubt about that.

[@pelgram7770]

They should have been asked who would win in the same car

[@sherman3211]

People love to talk about Schumacher is a dirty driver. Funny how no one mentions Senna, remember him? Ask Alain Prost.

[@fredswetnam3682]

Holy Senna.. **lol** .. same ridiculous way to argue like you hear from people that are idolising the communist terrorist Che Guevara.

[@TheKestevon]

Senna punched Irvine in the face.

[@addsy6396]

Interesting, as James Allens' biography on the man goes into this a little. Schumacher was unlucky in that during "his" era this behaviour was now discouraged and frowned upon, yet during Sennas' hiatus, it was still considered acceptable.

[@SelfRaisingWheat]

Prost and his SS FIA friend were assholes, as was Schumacher.

[@Mr18000rpm]

Only 50 fewer wins than Schumacher...

[@emelle1283]

Hear hear! Well said Richard.

[@TheKestevon]

Richard 77 In nine years from 1991 to 2000 He had more wins than Senna.

[@addsy6396]

TheKestevon he also had less world champions for teammates. Senna had Prost (4 Championships) , Häkkinen (2 Championships) , Hill (1 Championship). Michael had Piquet for four races and Rosberg. His teammates were paid number two drivers. Irvine actually had his testing privileges removed when he out qualified Michael in Melbourne. HARDLY A FAIR COMPARISON...

[@TheKestevon]

@@addsy6396 You can't blame him when he was much better than his team mates at Ferrari. Senna also was a contractual no. 1 driver at McLaren after Prost left the team. Despite bs excuse you give to look down on his great achievement with inferior machinery he was still the best driver of his generation.

[@SIDYfe4r]

​@@addsy6396 Senna didn't drive against Häkkinen or Hill towards their Championship, Schumacher did. Schumacher couln't disprove Sennas brilliance, because he didn't have enough time in F1 at that point to show otherwise, just as much as Senna couldn't disprove Schumachers brilliance as we all know what happened in 1994. The fact people try and compare the two on ridiculous standards is HARDLY FAIR. Both have been fantastic drivers and done all the right things to win 3 + 7 Titles, by being the best there was during those years!

[@aliijahnshawn9667]

Brundle is nothing compared to Michael!!

[@gallagherii]

I would have like 10 championships if I hadn't been such a lazy fuck.

[@michaelroberts2023]

If that was a joke, then it was the best i've ever heard. Even if senna might not be as good as schumacher, he's still not way worse.

[@michaelroberts2023]

Stats don't tell the whole story. If they did, then jean alesi would be a crap driver, but he was actually very good, just mechanical failures costing him.

[@akonkar]

I think senna have real aggression. Prost was plan things. I don't know about Michael schumacher.

[@1greenMitsi]

if you say so then it must be so

[@henryt9254]

I thought wearing the informal jeans is just an American culture.. You see the likes of Steve Jobs in Silicon Valley wearing their standard attire. Now the Brits are catching up with plain shirt and jeans.

[@tristantopambudi3186]

Even JS can see the great talent of Lewis Hamilton sadly I don't rate Brundle me me me...

[@blobby232]

Senna?

[@jimdemassi8788]

I love listening to bitter brits badmouthing Schumacher. They really sound like jealous little boys. It's petulance really.

[@Sonu666]

Jim DeMassi they’re doing the same about Alonso now! terrible

[@zofo1961]

Oiiii I'm British Michael is my hero, come back too us Schui 👍

[@4ll4nb31l]

lol great wording

[@zofo1961]

Thing us F1 fans are global, we dont do age sexualitie male female and where we come from, we got our favourite teams and drivers, but we love the sport the most. Go to a grand prix weekend, if you go Silverstone do the camping thing wirh the real fans, and u aint lived till u done THE SILVERSTONE POOH 😱

[@peterb3842]

Schecter isn’t a Brit...

[@cliverudman1489]

ol Brundle couldn't bring himself to saying anything positive about Michael, always the passive aggressive. Your opinion only carries weight amongst people with the same outlook. Like Flavio Briatore said, a lion knows when another lion is near, Senna knew Michael was unlike anyone he had raced before and there was a knew sheriff in town.

[@Teknisk]

@swistral1 ehm...yea xD complete without science or reason. Quite stupid statement from martin.

[@acruzp]

He's right though, as much as we all love ayrton senna (we all love ayrton senna), he was a bit of a rough driver, and alain prost knows this yes he does.

[@b26leather29]

Brundle still hates the fact that Schumacher was better than him, even from the beginning. Hahaha

[@zekvuc6552]

1. schumacher 2. senna 3. .............. 4. rest of all

[@SeshvirSeodutt]

3)Hamilton,Prost or fangio

[@dj7oya]

Funny to see mainly germans trying to say senna and schumacher were the same when it came to ruthlessness. fix your eyes, schumacher was so fucking deliberate with no fucking excuses for that. Senna vs Prost crashes are at least controverse, not to say Prost (in my opinion) forced both of their crashes. these bastards that defend SCUMacher must be the same idiots that believe vettel is always right. seriously, get a grip on yourselves, Senna crashes were controversy. schumacher cheats (not only by crashing) were purely deliberate intent of winning no matter the costs.

[@dj7oya]

too bad his ruthlessness couldn't do too much of a thing against that stone... guy was so used crashing into racers... maybe he thought he could crash into rocks and get away with that. tsk tsk...

[@oscoe]

I think he’s struggling a bit from not having the best car by miles…….hmmm.

[@CarloSpicyWein3r]

Yes, at some points in his career Senna could be a sore loser, but Micheal was more of a 'dirty bastard'. Take Monaco 2006 or the incident with Villeneuve both situations were he cheated plain and simple. And yes, there were people that could beat him on a regular bases but that is what made him so good. Micheal was never really challenged from 2000-2004 and when he finally was, he lost and left the sport (all be it not because of losing). Look at him now against 5 world champions- uncompetetive

[@G0007]

you dont know much about this sport

[@canbost]

Who the fuck is Martin Brundle anyway?

[@Quixpeed]

Brits ... LMAO .. SO SORELY SORE

[@SeshvirSeodutt]

Jody is South African 🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@srxt6758]

Brits cant ever give credit to Michael can they? They just find the words to slate him...

[@hannahmillington5781]

Schumacher was a brilliant and talented genius and a cheat

[@woocash1817]

He ended up killing himself anyway.

[@michaelroberts2023]

Ayrton senna was one of the furthest things from 'dirty bastard' that it's possible to concieve. Actually, senna was a great personality off the track, very human, very considerate, hell everyone loses their temper sometimes. Doesn't mean that they're jerks. He made private donations to so many charities in brazil to help with the poor people struggling.

[@larrylevious8205]

It's true that Ayrton was personable around the track. I had the pleasure of meeting him while he was in the company of his buddy Thierry Bousten at the track. Both were very nice and accommodating to the fans. On the other hand, Alain Prost was a complete jerk-off!

[@Davetheravepow]

A wannabe what?? That gold chain is probs worth more then your car........

[@abba9462]

It's worth more than your spelling

[@acruzp]

That is not true, where do you get your silly percentages? If that were true then you would see laptimes fall dramatically in the last laps, like 30-40% if we stick to your numbers. And they don't, so no, F1 cars arent doing what you say they're doing, and michael only said that because he's butthurt that he's lost his mojo. Yes tire management is more important nowadays than balls, but... still, talent is talent, and many drivers have more of it now than what Schumacher has left.

[@copersucar1]

Senna is the best f1 driver of all time.

[@akonkar]

Everybody knows Ayrton senna is the number one. If he alive Michael schumacher mika hakkinen will not win many championships at all. Imagine he and mika against Michael schumacher.

[@Mr18000rpm]

Senna was way worse than Schumacher

[@Richard-qu5vi]

"way worse"? So why is he always higher on the all time greatest lists? where would you put Senna? 1000th?

[@larrylevious8205]

@@Richard-qu5vi More frequent brake testing of his co-drivers, getting in other's way during qualifying. Just ask Keke Rosberg. For the record , Senna is one of the greatest of all time. Guys like you can handle that Michael was royally kicking Ayrton' s ass in 1994.

[@Richard-qu5vi]

@@larrylevious8205 That was my point. How can one of the greats be so much worse then another driver? Also I don't think Senna was the greatest but he was not crap! Read my fucking post next time so you don't waste my time. BTW why don't you ask Adrian Newey how far behind the 94 Williams was compared to the Benneton ... for the record I think you would understand Senna was not "way worse" then any driver ever to have raced. I hate it when people like Mr18000rpm say an f1 driver is garbage. One last thing that benneton had an illegal fuel rig which they admitted to and as everyone now know had launch control which schumacher has denied using but it was there. I have Schumacher in my top 5 of all time but I'm no fanboy of anyone.

[@G0007]

@@Richard-qu5vi he is not always higher:) all in all they are equal

[@Richard-qu5vi]

@@G0007 Yes you are right but I stand by my point.

[@denkih272]

Senna was better, he would've had more championships had he not crashed.

[@G0007]

next to michael on the track that is not likely

[@A.Santos1]

The Top 3 of all time, not necessarily in that order: Senna Fangio Clark Completing the top 5: Prost Lauda(maybe Stewart)