Bryan Kohberger’s Defense Demands Evidence In Idaho Student Murders Case

Despite the state filing its intent to seek the death penalty if Bryan Kohberger is convicted of murdering four University of Idaho students, all the defense wanted to discuss in a motions hearing Tuesday was evidence. “We disagree on when I should get discovery,” Kohberger’s attorney said in court. “It’s necessary to investigate this case and prepare Kohberger’s defense." The state fired back, claiming the defense has everything they have. Kohberger, a former Ph.D student at Washington State University, was arrested for the brutal November 2022 slayings at his parents' home in Pennsylvania after investigators say he drove cross-country to visit his family for the holidays.
Thumbnail Photo Credit: August Frank/Lewiston Tribune
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[@savannahpope9386]

Please listen to the judge about the cameras I want to be able to watch this trial

[@tiffanythomas11]

YES THIS!!

[@Yasmin-pj1qt]

exactly

[@earth0128]

Agreed 👍💯

[@bruzerbites1318]

And they still zeroed in on him after the judge said that!

[@dixierose8142]

Right that what I was saying to myself like he has now given a direct warning don’t f**k it up for everyone invested in this case please

[@SD0224]

Regardless of whether you believe BK is guilty or not , the defense should absolutely have access to the officers and investigators of the case . It absolutely affects their ability to thoroughly and ethically to do a good job in this investigation. This should be allowed across the board in every trial . In the event there is police corruption or mishandling of an investigation.

[@ciaralovebug360]

It’s a tactic to attack them. There is no real belief of any wrong doing. What do you people not understand about this. Yes they should have it but why is no one asking why this monster hasn’t even come close to providing any alibi or exonerating evidence???? Hello??? This guy is clearly guilty he gutted 4 innocent young students .. everyone fallingi to all the bs on KZbin and conspiracy crap makes me sick

[@TrishD33LGK]

She wants their training records. She's looking for something to smear them. Her requests are outside the scope of what she is entitled to. She's been doing this from the start when she asked for discovery of phone numbers and home addresses of surviving victims (protected witnesses). The judge has the ability to grant her request only on a showing "of substantial need in the preparation of the defendant's case ... and that the defendant is unable without undue hardship to obtain the substantial equivalent by other means" And, even then "the court may vacate or modify the order on the request of any person affected by it if compliance would be unreasonable or oppressive."

[@sunshineinarizona1726]

If this guy gets out, he will kill again.

[@skeletalwreck]

Please, stop calling him BK. Bryan, or Kohberger is just fine. These people love to have the ego boost of people casually referring to them as acronyms as if they have some sort of infamy or notoriety. He's a narcissist. That's more apparent in this court appearance, now that he's settled in a bit. That ego is starting to show in public now.

[@Seashellsbytheseashore21]

💯💯💯💯💯

[@Leah_F.]

If that’s not provided to the defense, then later on they may argue that he didn’t receive a fair trial, & see it as a reason for appeal. Justice only comes in doing things correctly, so that they won’t have any grounds for an appeal/mistrial. The female prosecutor who spoke, made an argument of speculation on the defense’s part. I found that to be extremely unprofessional, & a very weak argument. It seems she made excuses, & nothing more. This makes the state look bad, if they keep hiding things.

[@falconquest2068]

That's exactly what I thought as she was speaking. Wow, her argument is pretty damned week. She will get slaughtered in front of a jury!

[@2hearts1song4ever8]

The judge thought so too and let her know 😁

[@jenniferbrown-west782]

IDT anything is being hid. This is the second time they've used this argument. I believe it's a stall tactic. We will see during his next court appearance.

[@juniorjohnson5961]

Remember Mark Fuhrman

[@AndyCutright]

They will certainly appeal on this, if they don't get what they want. But if they aren't legally entitled to the docs, it's worthless as a basis for appeal. You don't cave to an opponent because they're going to appeal, and you don't grant access to docs without a sound legal reason.

[@sbrooke210]

They shouldn't have to demand anything, it is required to be provided to them by law

[@7DAYS_ATSEA]

Particularly in a death penalty case.

[@VirginiaWolf88]

I learned that in the movie My Cousin Vinnie.

[@chantelcpr]

Agreed

[@chantelcpr]

@@7DAYS_ATSEAexactly

[@samuelpancake4084]

She's asking to get training records to fish for something.

[@enaid54]

Why wouldn't they put all evidence on the table for everyone to see? This will be a terrible thing if they get away with concealing evidence! How could anyone ever get their legal right to an honest trial? It doesn't matter what you think of this guy, you or yours could be accused of something next. This thing stinks!

[@boxingguru4221]

They’re trying to hold it until trial..

[@1Matt3]

It’s a murder trial and now confirmed prosecution is going for the death penalty. They must have solid evidence and they are going to hold on to it as long as legally possible. Them refusing to show their hand does not mean they’re empty handed and have nowhere to go

[@keshaboykins3025]

Especially a death penalty case!😔

[@povertylevelphilanthropy1524]

Agreed. If our justice system was more trustworthy, I may feel differently, but I don’t trust it one bit. It’s extremely unfair and that hurts everyone, regardless of innocence or guilt.

[@EZ_Case]

@@1Matt3exactly. Why WOULD they lay out all their evidence?!

[@mattdiehl83]

Judge says dont zoom in on him...cameraman proceeds to do exactly that. Good way to get booted, keep us from watching the trial, and hopefully get fired

[@internetcensure5849]

5:25 The judge said the right thing about operating cameras in the court room: not to focus on the defendant but give a global view. Yet the cameraman keeps focusing on the defendant and his attorneys.

[@beffis1980]

His attorney is on the ball! She is very professional and trying to make sure he is getting a fair trial.

[@KS-hi8vi]

She’s great the State is lucky to have her. She could make so much more $$ in private litigation. She’s caught this State doing illegal unethical things in past trials.

[@chantelcpr]

@@KS-hi8viwhere is this info. I wanna see that

[@tenacaldwell7955]

Correct; which he is lawfully allowed...a fair trial. It is the state's job to prove guilty so therefore, they should be sharing any and every ounce of evidence they have obtained and how they did so. Otherwise, innocent individuals end up behind bars for decades, some even permanently. There is a justice system put in place for a reason and it is to make sure that the charged are fairly found guilty beyond ANY reasonable doubt of the actual and intended accused crime.

[@exitscreaming4637]

lol she wants to be a star

[@Tessmaria1015]

She is NOT on the side of JUSTICE‼️She wants the CREDIT (popularity) & the MONEY (of course) if she will be able set free this BK from this case ‼️😡

[@7DAYS_ATSEA]

Don't forget this lawyer overturned a murder conviction due to questionable police tactics. She's already heading there!

[@desertrose00]

I think she is well aware of how corrupted these cops are so she is demanding all evidence.

[@7DAYS_ATSEA]

@@desertrose00 Well I mean anyone in America should want a thorough defense attorney. That's the problem with trial by public/media. You don't actually 100% know if these people did it or not.

[@lindamateri9906]

God Forbid

[@SeareanMoon]

well, think how many cops have murdered people and pretending they had no choice...

[@SeareanMoon]

being a cop is not a free pass to commit crimes...

[@mody03318]

If I was on trial for death penalty , i would want defense atty to get all the information possible. IDK if hes guilty or not but i would want a defense attorney to do her job. Just like th we State needs to do.

[@WHIT10E]

Are we supposed to be zoomed in on Bryan's face? 🤔🙄 Literally MINUTES after the judge asked to not do that.

[@LauraMichellez]

Exactly

[@internetcensure5849]

Yes. 5:25 The judge said the right thing about operating cameras in the court room: not to focus on the defendant but give a global view. But the cameraman is not complying.

[@irelandgp]

Why are they withholding?? When death sentence is on the table, all evidence should be fair play

[@peacewillow]

11:11 did the judge not just say to stop focusing cameras on bryan alone? ms. taylor is talking.... focus on her. please.

[@internetcensure5849]

He said, show a global view, not focus on anyone!

[@robertwadas]

Prosecution: Oh, they don't need that information, we are not going to use him as a witness... Police officer training should be a matter of public record.

[@nellym.6555]

One of the police officers pointed out BK's vehicle, led the FBI to BK, the same police officer was on the search, at the crime scene collecting and handling evidence and also in contact with the main witness. Something is not right

[@kristen9663]

@@nellym.6555 Anne Taylor will have an absolute field day with that!!! Because I agree, something is not right. I stand behind law enforcement, but this smells like absolute corruption at its finest.

[@nowirehangers2815]

@@nellym.6555the car going in the wrong direction at the wrong time. Seems legit

[@nellym.6555]

@@nowirehangers2815 They saw the car plates?

[@verolawson3898]

​@@nellym.6555Now how would YOU know this? 😂😂

[@Eztliz]

Guilty or innocent, everyone deserves to see the evidence they have against them. This is really, really strange they don’t want to provide it.

[@luka_ingabire]

because there is little to no evidence

[@Eztliz]

@@luka_ingabire really? You think he’s innocent? Im not being adversarial btw, genuinely curious

[@sallycinnamon5370]

@@luka_ingabirethey have provided terabytes of data…

[@footyball66]

I thought DNA on knife sheath was evidence. I thought his phone pinged cell phone towers that night.

[@Eztliz]

@@footyball66 his phone was left at home that night supposedly but pinged several times the morning after.

[@sierra4pdx]

That’s literally the first step any defense attorney takes, they file something called a discovery demand request which is simply to get all of the evidence the state has in the case, which is client’s constitutional right.

[@TrishD33LGK]

She filed 8. Nine if you count the grand jury information (she's entitled to the "transcript". She wants the kitchen sink)

[@wolfiemum461]

Armchair lawyer?

[@joshlampe3458]

​@@TrishD33LGK She wants relevant information to their defense that isn't available to them without the prosecution providing it. Nothing of what the defense after is excessive or accurately described as the kitchen sink. They're simply zealously representing their client. Brian is probably guilty, but he deserves a thorough and competent defense like everyone else.

[@sierra4pdx]

@@TrishD33LGK no she’s entitled to grand jury recordings as well, usually the attorney has to then transcribe it.

[@sierra4pdx]

@@wolfiemum461 nope just a legal assistant for public defenders.

[@michellel2773]

Why they smiling like that though

[@lisamurphy4438]

It’s all a show…..they have to look confident.

[@sisino4471]

ok team, when we go in smile. except for you bryan. we need to look like we have all the confidence in our defense. we want people to pick up on our body language not his. it's all a game.

[@arnoldceja2971]

@@sisino4471facts

[@earth0128]

Facade

[@Westcoastmom65]

I said the same thing! Odd!!

[@suze6083]

Man, the pure thought of, what if it wasn’t him, makes me believe that this would be the worst thing someone could go through. I truly hope that they have the right guy.

[@eirikrdberg1161]

It’s him 100%

[@epipd5712]

If Bryan Kohberger did not commit the crime, he may know who did. I pray this trial does not turn out to be a circus, because Bryan is not guilty until proven otherwise. My prayers are with the families of the victims ( .

[@jacobrochman6630]

Your right, i think about that a lot for some cases, but here, I think if it was anyone else, that thats the DNA they would have found, he hasnt acted like an innocent man 1 second of any video ive seen of him

[@Alfredo-hc4sx]

Welcome to so many people in jail but he did, he didn’t wore wolves all the time

[@thesupervisor3270]

His DNA was left at the murder scene

[@notsparks]

The judge just ordered media not sit zoomed in on defendant's face, and just moments into the hearing media does exactly what they were instructed against doing.

[@Pllm30]

The judge's orders came in after they started taping. Pay attention.

[@woodhound0072]

Don’t forget that Bryan Kohberger's attorney famously overturned a murder conviction after catching out lying cop.

[@kristen9663]

I thought of that while she was speaking about needing the training records!

[@kennethsanders963]

THIS PROSECUTOR NEEDS TO GROW A BRAIN. THEY NEED TO TURN OVER "ALL" EVIDENCE IN THEIR CASE !!! "ALL" .

[@antbooboo5884]

I like how your cameraman deliberately panned over to BK towards the end after the judge said not to. Ridiculous.

[@antbooboo5884]

Also 24:50?

[@potheadzndrama215]

When the judge orders no cameras allowed we know why smh

[@Ben-rh9kr]

Not good for cameras in the court room folks. Judges tend not to like it when you disregard their orders.

[@potheadzndrama215]

@@Ben-rh9kr I think cameras should be allowed in so we know everything is being done legitimately. But they should most definitely respect what the judge says. This is a privilege not an obligation

[@stephflett4531]

Totally agree. I wish they would stick to the rules

[@beffis1980]

Guilty or not, his attorney is absolutely right! They should have the right to have background information on the officers that were able to make decisions that are detrimental to the case. Being vigilant and aware if they even qualify to have an opinion in different areas of evidence and interviews! She is right

[@msaijay1153]

These aren't officers who made detrimental decisions though.

[@2hearts1song4ever8]

@@msaijay1153how do you know? Their names were not even mentioned. Do you have a source for who they are?

[@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax]

@@msaijay1153 Where's your proof you fool.

[@exitscreaming4637]

lol he murdered 4 people and she is grasping at straws

[@Nikalette100]

She is a snake.

[@purplefeather69]

Pure speculation? If you interviewed witnesses, collected evidence, and told other officers to look for a certain vehicle, weapon, person, etc you are part of the case. Why would you not be expected to testify? Why would defense not expect to look into your job credentials and their work history?

[@msaijay1153]

It is impossible for every member of LE who was involved in this case to testify. Why do they want training records for these specific officers?

[@chartmann43]

Right! Every case no matter what it is. The court asks everyone who gets on the stand what they do for a living and how long ect ect.. it’s normal.

[@falseprophet1024]

​@@msaijay1153 They want to see if the cops were dumbasses who were just trying to pin it on someone to get the chief off their back about the high profile case.. The training of the cops who did the investigation is obviously relevant.. in what world wouldn't it be?

[@RussellGreerOfficial]

@@falseprophet1024Because the defense lawyer is obviously grasping at straws by seeking to OVERANALYZE every single detail of the case. The evidence proves they have the right guy: car in the area, cell phone pinging, his family was even suspicious of him. There is no need to know what these officers ate for breakfast or when they pinched a large load…. In all seriousness, you can’t convince me they arrested the wrong guy. I say let Steve G. bum rush Bryan. 🙌

[@internetcensure5849]

@@falseprophet1024 You are absolutely right.

[@pish-ssi1826]

Crazy that they have to wrestle for discovery in a case like this wtf

[@amandasailsbury1878]

The state said they have everything they currently have. They are waiting for something to come back.

[@Pllm30]

Because police training records are not considered 'Discovery'. It's a waste of time seeking police training records. The police are not up for murder, Bryan is.

[@juliaAnnBalogh]

You're not supposed to focus on Bryan .but you are. If you do that,the cameras will not be allowed at trial

[@internetcensure5849]

Yes. 5:25 The judge said the right thing about operating cameras in the court room: not to focus on the defendant but give a global view. But the cameraman is not complying.

[@charmedbymeghan]

It should not be up to the prosecution office to say what the defense should use or shouldn't use in their defense 🤨 Not that I am a fan of Kohberger! But what's right is right.

[@Pllm30]

Prosecution does not have police training records. That's the problem. You'd have to obtain them which is no easy feat, and you had three states officers involved; ID, WA and PA.

[@erikbongnilsson246]

I don't get why the states argues that the defense should not get the records. It shouldn't be a big deal so it might as well hurt their case because it looks like they are hiding something. If it isn't a big deal, why not just hand it over.

[@pameladasgupta8885]

Anne is fishing for any possible mistake.

[@agapelove2853]

The prosecutor represents the state and has no obligation to present the defendant's side of the story, he has an obligation to present evidence to the Grand Jury that is “clearly exculpatory.

[@7DAYS_ATSEA]

@@agapelove2853 Isn't withholding (any) discovery evidence from his defense attorneys a violation of his rights, though?

[@ThePencilNerd]

This whole comment section is getting angry at the defendant lawyers for smiling at their colleagues that they work with as they enter their workplace. It was not disrespectful so chill out people.

[@Lissy___]

Thank you! If you wouldn't, you wouldn't be able to do jobs like this. Its their everyday work

[@Future-zx9ts]

I swear, some people think they should scowl or growl or cry when they walk in. Their bias against the defendant has blinded them to seeing people having basic decency and professionalism. 😵‍💫

[@benx6549]

​@@Future-zx9ts100% this

[@potheadzndrama215]

America is too sensitive these days

[@2hearts1song4ever8]

Exactly!

[@ivana_333]

There is nothing fair about our justice system. This guy is not going to receive a fair trial. There’s already been several docuseries/documentaries on this case, clearly accusing BK without being tried.

[@tclyde865]

DNA doesn't lie. The state wouldn't prosecute him unless they know they have what they need to do so

[@rootiyriddle636]

@@tclyde865 state would prosecute literally anyone, even you, if it meant that the media wasn't making them out to be incompetent and unable to catch a suspect

[@dgrei320]

Didn't the judge say not to zoom in on the defendant? Or did I hear him wrong?

[@lseh]

I said same thing

[@verolawson3898]

Not CONTINUOSLY ! Doesn't mean never...

[@internetcensure5849]

Yes. 5:25 The judge said the right thing about operating cameras in the court room: not to focus on the defendant but give a global view. But the cameraman is not complying.

[@dgrei320]

@@verolawson3898 I just hope judge doesn't consider that "pushing the envelope" I really want to be able to watch this trial.

[@alikarol3]

Going for the death penalty AND withholding evidence to the defense to prove it necessary? So shady of the prosecution.

[@Aromatic.Bleach]

​@49ersfan834 you wanna say that again? Cause they still haven't sent it over.

[@CIGLLC]

Kohbergers attorney comes off as very professional and articulate. Daunting case nonetheless but I would want her representing me if I were facing a trial of this magnitude.

[@xoxsilentrealmxox]

Yes I'm very impressed by her, whether he is guilty or not

[@shazanali692]

​@@xoxsilentrealmxoxis she public or BK pay

[@xoxsilentrealmxox]

@@shazanali692 private. There's a story around why she's representing him, but I'd have to look it up, I can't remember the details.

[@765aabbzzz]

@@xoxsilentrealmxox whats the story? I always wonder why defense lawyers accept cases like this.

[@xoxsilentrealmxox]

@@765aabbzzz oh gosh I am trying to find where I saw it but can't remember now, it was like a month ago I saw it. It was something about someone she knows being upset that she's representing him. It's not really too big of a story. She has every right to represent him.

[@theresaclark93]

I have not decided if guilty or innocent. However I do think the prosecution is hiding evidence

[@potheadzndrama215]

He’s innocent as of right now unless he’s proved guilty

[@youthinkyouknowme5551]

It will be a technological nightmare for Kohberger's lead council Anne Taylor to try and squirm herself around the ping triangulation logistical placement that places not only Kohberger outside the home at approx 8 am the morning of the murders but returning back to Pulman,Washington on highway 8/270 right under that only cell tower Tower 322 I believe situated on that highway And before some Kohberger sympathizer try's and tells me ping logistics isn't accurate let me save you the embarrassment . It's accurate in present day 2023 to within 1300 feet. 400m Take into account the atmospheric conditions were perfect that night (I checked everything for November 13th,2022) and they even have his car on surveillance. I'm a Stanford grad and my field of expertise is this stuff. He's beyond guilty..

[@mullaway5746]

The trial hasn't started yet lol

[@internetcensure5849]

@@youthinkyouknowme5551 "I'm a Stanford grad and my field of expertise is this stuff. He's beyond guilty." Another academic dunderhead!😂 " It's accurate in present day 2023 to within 1300 feet. 400m" Unsurprisingly, Stanford grads don't know how cell phone towers operate.😂

[@mandydyke4248]

Im sure they are ,waiting for the right time.

[@stacieknock5828]

What a GREAT Defense Attorney. Wow. If it were me in that terrible chair, I would be so absolutely grateful for her.

[@tyleroconnor1534]

especially if you're innocent

[@SinNmyGrin]

If they have nothing to hide why not release the training records?

[@azalago]

I like that the judge called out the media for only filming the defendant since that was what happened with the Daybell trial. They just want to overanalyze every little thing the defendant does.

[@potheadzndrama215]

They did the same thing with Zachariah Anderson & had headings calling him a stalker & murderer. That trial was so awful!!! No proof & let the DA do whatever they wanted & the DA even lied to the media about “evidence” they said they had when in trial they didn’t have it. It was all to sway potential jurors. They even brought in a jail house informant who had the most ridiculous story! Now that man is sitting in prison on a life sentence. Out of all the trials I’ve watched, they got it wrong & it needs a retrial. I feel so bad for him & his family.

[@internetcensure5849]

@@potheadzndrama215 Dysfunctioning US judiciary!

[@Pllm30]

How come the judge didn't tell Bryan that when he was peeping Toming in the Kind Rd house and other places women were at? That doesn't sound fair to me. Bryan gets to peep in on nude women, but we can't look at him while he picks his nose in court and keep glancing at his attorney, which makes no sense. smh.

[@Cooper0829]

I hope the media doesn’t ruin it for all of us. I appreciate what they’re doing but don’t screw it up!

[@Pllm30]

Let's not mention it too much. Judge Judge is reading these comments. If we leave the issue alone, we might be ok.

[@SeareanMoon]

I think one of the main reasons she is asking for their credentials is the extra dna samples that appear to be ignored in this case as they focused on Kohberger... who ordered that they ignore evidence and why is a major thing...

[@sallycinnamon5370]

Yeah… should have ignored the DNA on a knife sheath under a stabbing victim and concentrated on the most DAMNING evidence. A glove found on the ground outside in winter. LOL.

[@internetcensure5849]

@@sallycinnamon5370 "DNA on a knife sheath " but no victims' dna found in Kohberger's car or apartment.😂😂😂

[@angelamarino3498]

Why didn't they follow up on all the DNA ? The sheath could've been planted. The evidence in this case is sketchy.

[@SeareanMoon]

@@sallycinnamon5370 when such misinformation is spread... there are 2 unidentified male's dna near the bodies, as opposed to a splat on a knife sheath of a knife NOT used in the crimes... or inconsistent I think the term is... especially when there were several hours to plant real evidence against him, the best they could do was the wrong style knife sheath... how embarrassing for "them" trying to remain hidden!

[@SeareanMoon]

@@internetcensure5849 supposedly it was a bloody mess and it defies common sense that he would not have the slightest trace in his car or clothes or where he lived... so yeah, agree with you on that one!

[@Crystal-nw3mv]

Everyone freaking out because the defense lawyers smiled but don’t say anything about Santa Claus rocking back and forth in his chair the whole time 😂

[@nellym.6555]

Santa is nervous

[@2hearts1song4ever8]

Right!! That’s what I said too! He seems a little nervous.

[@2hearts1song4ever8]

@@nellym.6555It sure looks like it and his head elf had nothing so she did what a lit of commenters on you tube do, she said, “speculation” 🤣🤣🤣 The judge let her know Anne Taylor came with a list 😁

[@nm93932]

The prosecution is trying to buy time. If they arrested him because of the DNA, how come they didn't keep a record? They surely knew the DNA evidence would be questioned, so why didn't they keep record? It's a bit frustrating.

[@luisyfonsy711]

The fbi didn't keep a record, not even LE's fault honestly.

[@Gilgamesh3six9]

No its Anne fishing not the prosecution.

[@Pllm30]

The Prosecution is not trying to buy time because they are not the ones asking for a time out.

[@earth0128]

The defense are doing their jobs, whether we like it or not they will try and delay at every step. The judge appears in control. I'm praying for a fair trial and that all the evidence is shown. Only the evidence matters.

[@boxingguru4221]

They only delay when they don’t have enough evidence..

[@Seashellsbytheseashore21]

It’s not a delay. It’s doing their job smfh

[@TheJimbo1791]

@@Seashellsbytheseashore21 what does smfh mean?

[@elizabethlacky6068]

@@TheJimbo1791 Smack my fu$ken head

[@cmair22]

I agree with you because if the prosecution is playing games and not turning over evidence on time then the defense deserves more time. Something is fishy about this case. They want you to believe 2+2=5.

[@Westcoastmom65]

So weird to see them walk-in smiling except BK

[@ismrph]

Right?

[@justin79811]

Why, trial strategy.

[@joy-115]

At least he didn't smile also

[@potheadzndrama215]

Walking in smiling is weird? I wasn’t aware they had to walk in looking sad

[@internetcensure5849]

PR

[@kiffen66]

The defense needs to check their giggly affect at the door.they look like they smoked a blunt together before court.

[@LadyVesuvius]

Something is up with the prosecution imo, the defense seem to have to fight for info they have a right to see/have

[@bruh_hahaha]

duh. Why wouldn’t they demand evidence?!

[@Joseph-xe1ry]

His dad flew to Idaho to they could drive back together to Eastern PA and talk about what he did.

[@MARIAKOROLEVALUXSALES]

Anne Taylor: “I’m making history right now. I better get my hair done…”

[@libragal815]

How ignorant of a comment. Sit down child. Come back when you speak like an adult.

[@DzNutz503]

This is why i hate social media. You have to understand BK is innocent right now, nobody has proven what he is accused of doing he actually did. But everyone is ready to chop his head off before the trial even begins.

[@donnalembo4243]

It seems everyone has forgotten that we are all presumed innocent until proven guilty. Sheesh! Might as well not have a trial and lock him up! Save our tax dollars from being wasted. (I'm being sarcastic)

[@potheadzndrama215]

Exactly!!

[@potheadzndrama215]

It’s why I normally turn off live chat or watch the replays of trials too. I can’t stand all the armchair lawyers & judges who think they know it all. Or the ones who don’t like the defense team just because they’re defense attorneys & can’t admit when they’re actually doing a good job. The Zachariah Anderson trial opened my eyes wide to all the phuckery that goes on. Most of these ppl have the defendant guilty before opening statements are over smh. I pray I’m never falsely accused of anything because nowadays ppl are guilty 90% of the time just through media

[@donnalembo4243]

@@potheadzndrama215 Exactly. Imagine being falsely accused. We are not saying he's innocent, but presumed innocent until proven guilty or innocent by a jury.

[@potheadzndrama215]

@@donnalembo4243 💯

[@darren1980]

They will have to present evidence at trial for anyone to see it. The defense has the right to see how they got evidence and what it is.

[@jaredgambeski2991]

"Truth is like a Lion. It does not hide or need defending, set it free and will defend itself."

[@Flotter-Flo]

Are you new here? There are tons of people who try to bend and reframe the truth in their favor, especially in courtrooms.

[@TheSliverleaf]

Man I hope the Prosecutors are capable of handling this case. After seeing this I have massive concerns we will see this turn into what the police did or did not do and not what was done to the four victims.

[@KS-hi8vi]

If they arrested the wrong man that will come out. So far all they have is a smudge of DNA on a button on a shield. I could get DNA from a person a shook hands with. I hi are the other two men’s DNA from the scene?

[@Foolofatook889]

The pros have done nothing wrong. The defense said as much…twice. The only thing they don’t agree on is the officer training and that is why it is going to a judge. If the judge says provide it, the pros will. I don’t understand . They’re not withholding anything.

[@briarrose29]

Did you even listen? Nobody on either side did anything wrong here. The Defense has everything the Prosecution has right now. The Motion to Compel is for 1) the police training records of 3 individuals. 2) a report from the FBI about how they investigated, identified, and directed the local PD to a particular suspect vehicle. 1) the Prosecution objected to the production of the police training records based upon relevance & it potentially being overly broad and unduly burdensome. Basically, the Defense’s request is for them to obtain and produce records the Prosecution hasn’t sought yet. The Prosecution hasn’t sought them because they want a boundary to be set by the court to be sure it doesn’t ”open the door” to the Defense asking for the records of hundreds of other officers. 2) The report is with the FBI and hasn’t been finalized yet.

[@falseprophet1024]

@briarrose29 So, when those cops get on the stand they will say, "based on my experience and training..." So how is their training not relevant?

[@kristenbarker29]

​@@Foolofatook889agreed. They provided what they have. Pages and pages of evidence

[@sjay149]

I want to see who and when the evidence locker was accessed. I want to compare that (above) information, to a time line of the raid at Bryan's apartment. It seems as though the authorities purchased a knife sheath, and registered it as being discovered at Bryan's apartment. Then they found trace evidence on that sheath, after they gained access to the original crime scene boxes. Who gained access to the crime scene evidence after the apartment raid? Was there an authority figure assessing Bryan's apartment and later accessing the crime scene evidence?

[@debtutterow7887]

Very well spoken defense attorney

[@Slowhobolicker]

Feels like the defense is onto something regarding one of the officers, and then the Brady on top of that just makes it more fishy. Fact that prosecution keeps refusing to send records for that one officer is quite suspicious. It's not something out of the norm to request records for police and she had a whole list of valid reasons for it but the prosecution is really adamant into avoiding that from happening, strangely.

[@zyniazynia-lg1db]

I totally agree. My instinct from the beginning of this tragedy is a police officer is involved

[@DMV8662]

The BRADY on top????🤔🤔🤔🤦‍♀️

[@glasswingbutterfly]

IMO, it is way too soon to be drawing conclusions. We are getting rid bits of information. Fragments. Let the trial proceed. Try to keep an open mind, even if you are leaning one way or the other.

[@charrielyn1231]

Right? Thank you. A lot of opinions here for a case that’s just barely starting huh?!

[@tinaschilling]

I like this Judge. He's going to be fair.

[@whipsandchains1]

I was thinking the same thing

[@LegendLength]

You need to give them time though. The judge in Melly's case seemed ok at first but he's losing his cool pretty easily recently.

[@internetcensure5849]

5:25 The judge said the right thing about operating cameras in the court room: not to focus on the defendant but give a global view.

[@Flotter-Flo]

He's not just a judge - he's Judge Judge XD

[@jasestrickland1704]

Defense attorneys coming in smiling is cringeworthy. They are not exuding calm confidence. It looks like false bravado, to me. And it’s more a grimace, than a genuine smile.

[@DesdemonaDeCay]

I can't wait for the prosecution to explain how one person killed 4 people in 15 minutes without making any noise and leave the house in pristine condition, so clean that multiple people ran around the house for 8 hours not knowing there are 4 bodies.

[@SharpTac]

How long do you think it takes to stab people?

[@earth0128]

The time line will cover that

[@SharpTac]

Did you hear testimony from the surviving roommates? Last time I checked the trial hasn't started so you're making things up to fit your narrative.

[@DesdemonaDeCay]

​@@SharpTacPlease enlighten me. What is made up?

[@annaservetas214]

​@SharpTac It's what has been said all this time. He killed 4 people in 12 minutes actually and left no trail. Next day all the friends came over and bodies were not discovered until after noon

[@AvaHawkshaw]

TY for the coverage

[@brittnaesimmons5170]

Coverage

[@autumn1734]

Right hopefully they respect the judges orders about angles so they don't get kicked..

[@dialerproof6188]

How about say thank you, you pile of trash.

[@GoldsPrincess]

Why is defense counsel smiling like creeps walking into the courtroom

[@gracetruthandlight]

They know the state has no case

[@Lou-xq9br]

I really want to be able to watch this trial, cameraman/woman stop zooming in on him!

[@T-coon]

The Judge just told them about focusing on the defendant and what do they do 🤔 / The prosecution is withholding exculpatory evidence by not presenting extremely close witnesses because LE has made a big mistake in covering for them; besides the circumstances that no one really knows except LE !

[@donnalembo4243]

Wow. The defense is strong. The state looks like they are withholding the cell phone records and how the obtained the Elantra info. Not a good look for them.

[@7DAYS_ATSEA]

I took it rather that certain police officers held certain interviews with witnesses who will likely be called and collected information that they have not been privy to yet. She basically said that they were really awesome at supplying them information in the beginning but lately they have come to a communication barrier.

[@Lamards]

I just hope that the right guy is prosecuted.

[@mintyswirll]

But why is his team so giggly as they walk into the court room? Have some sympathy for the families of the poor deceased instead of taking this whole thing like a big joke. 😡

[@sweetmagnolia-belle9134]

My sentiments exactly!

[@hqcart1]

There is a reason why they dont want to share the information... think they got nothing to share !

[@2hearts1song4ever8]

It appears that way.

[@kathleenweinberg6442]

Another sad case may the victims rest in peace 🕊️

[@adelitabriano4423]

Justice for the victims and their families.

[@Victoria_USA_]

Give Defense what the law requires. Let's get to the Justice for the Families. Follow rules media.

[@savysav9820]

Fair argument by the defense

[@kimberlybeeson3613]

If they had 100% proof they would shout it to the roof tops, wouldn’t you?

[@jaimefio643]

Anne Taylor is kind of a rockstar. No matter how you feel about the case…she is a strong woman and I’m here for it.

[@mollycuddle9990]

agreed.

[@sophiafara5997]

I'm here for you

[@missriss_xoxo]

Is that why her main tactic is going after the officers integrity and background😂

[@jaimefio643]

@@missriss_xoxo I don’t think that is her main tactic. Perhaps that is just one small element she would like to investigate. Look at the bigger picture. I’m not sold on anything in this case. My point is simply that she is a strong woman and the kind that young women should look up to.

[@Pllm30]

I'm not enamored with her as you guys are. I'm still waiting to hear something substantial from her. Asking for police training records makes no sense. Anne isn't making sense.

[@alelireds8613]

Do not point cameras to the defendant lol them zooming in 😂

[@Jeremy-pd2tt]

The defense appears very confident.

[@ceha9517]

that is part of the play

[@potheadzndrama215]

They should be. Innocent until proven guilty is the law.

[@cathyosborn9905]

@@potheadzndrama215 No it's actually not protected by law.

[@potheadzndrama215]

@@cathyosborn9905 idk what you’re reading but here in America everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law

[@cjthisisme]

I don’t know how the prosecutor could say that speculation. They better get on their a game. That defense attorney is clearly very knowledgeable and well spoken.

[@Seashellsbytheseashore21]

Indeed. Anne Taylor is no joke. I thought the pure speculation comment was a bit idiotic

[@ruthcarter1360]

This is a total one-sided affair, totally unfair, give the defense their documentation and info they're asking for, BK still looks very respectful and in control 🕑 he looks confident, his attorney is brilliant fighting every little crumb that was thrown to them fron prosecution..... crumbs

[@bobbyswain7049]

😆

[@ericstanford7670]

What has happened to innocent until proven guilty?

[@jimmyzhao2673]

It doesn't make for good sound bites and news reports.

[@potheadzndrama215]

I’d hate to be wrongfully accused in this country today. Everyone has their pitchforks out because of what the DA & media says instead of waiting to go to trial to hear the real evidence. It wouldn’t be the first time the DA put wrong info (LIES) out to the media in hopes to sway the ppl who may serve on the jury. They will remember all they heard on tv & read online even if it’s not true. Smh

[@nowirehangers2815]

Exactly

[@gerin.6418]

💯🎯💯

[@dorelyherrera]

💯💯💯

[@sarafreeman5073]

This lawyer is really doing a good job of defending her client. She is gonna be a tough act. They better get ready.

[@Bieshmac]

And no one wears skirt suits anymore OR nylons…1993 is OVER

[@flapjackbickle645]

My mum could get a guilty verdict in this case, and she's 80 years old and deaf.

[@shards0fwords]

@@Bieshmacpeople wear skirts all the time in court

[@sarafreeman5073]

@@Bieshmac Just cause you like to go around looking like a slob or a homeless hobo.. Don't lump the rest of us civilized people with yourself. I bet that suit she has on.Cost more than all your bummy outfits put together.

[@punapeter]

@@Bieshmac ok fasjionista cuz you say so LOL troll

[@shrinkwrap1770]

I'm starting to have doubts about the strength of the prosecution's case. Why is the defense having to go to court this much to get access to evidence? The stakes are very high. Like life and death.

[@Gilgamesh3six9]

Because by idaho law the prosecution didn't have to give them these specific things they are asking for. The defense has everything else, no one is playing any games.

[@Pllm30]

This court appearance was actually supposed to be about questioning the Grand Jury as to the reason why he plead silent. His Defense team totally forgot to ask about the Grand Jury and their training records and decided to ask about the police training records. In all honesty, Thompson would have to get training records for WA, ID and PA police since all three worked on his case. This might be hard for him to do.

[@tanyray84]

Few weeks, they gonna turn in evidence 25 days before trial so defense have no time, let the state review evidence from police for more then a year but give 25 days for defense, I don’t know if is guilty or not but I don’t like when police and prosecutors behave like these.

[@stephenwearing6946]

@tanyray84 maybe they're still fabricating evidence who knows.

[@andyhunter5869]

Were Dylan and Bethany smiling when they left four friends to bleed out and transition into advanced rigour mortis without calling 911 while Snapchatting their friends about these murders? Is that guilty behaviour?

[@megane11222]

No, no it's not Andy. Sit down, you look really ignorant. 🙄

[@Leah_F.]

Something’s really wrong with that picture, for sure.

[@debtutterow7887]

They did that?? OMG. How did they not hear their death curdling screams???

[@sarahdelgado8499]

exactly! so much state of shock that Snapchat was an option instead of a 911 call

[@nowirehangers2815]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@makeupqueen130]

When the State says its pure speculation and Judge Judge says based upon what Mrs. Taylor just listed.

[@beckymcevoy6638]

Ty for showing this🙏

[@dialerproof6188]

Why not just say thank you, you pile of trash.

[@nick_robertsn]

The judge ordered the court to not zoom in on the defendant, and the court almost immediately continued to do so. Are you kidding me?

[@boxingguru4221]

He will beat this case. They are holding evidence for a reason..

[@J-ellO]

The cameras are at a wide angle not in the defendants face like Vallow case

[@lseh]

@@boxingguru4221I have a feeling there will be a loop hole somewhere.

[@luchia8612]

cameras wont last long! The audience is going to suffer because of Law and Crime acting like a defiant child!

[@gpwarrior9847]

@@luchia8612 Yes!!!! The judge just said don't zoom in, 2 seconds later the cameras are zooming in on the defendant!!! 🤯🤯🤯

[@r.g6170]

At this point the defense makes 100% sense and they are extremely fair and professional. On one hand this is a death penalty case and the defendant has a right to a fair trial, on the other hand the victims deserve justice from a fair trial and to have the right person in jail and not roaming outside murdering while an innocent person sits in jail. the prosecution is starting to look really unprofessional

[@Pllm30]

He's indigent and has three lawyers, and you cry fair trial. You want him served caviar in jail next?

[@sarahelizabeth778]

Yes they are starting to look bad.

[@mariep7919]

​@Pllm30 he could have 100 lawyers for all I care, but if the evidence is not fully disclosed to the defense team, it's not a fair trial. I'm not defending him or whatever, I'm just talking about what's fair and what's not.

[@Iceman8910]

Hate to say this but Taylor is much more composed and consistent. The state is in trouble with this one.

[@earnold1896]

Hope the cops haven't stitched him up. Any tiny bit of doubt (it seems there is quite a bit)...he must be free. Commenters here have already convicted him. They can't think outside the square. There are many players connected to the murders and the drug house.

[@julienawrocki655]

@earnold1896 I wasn’t Aware this is a drug house?

[@internetcensure5849]

"There are many players connected to the murders and the drug house." Yes. Besides, why didn't they find any of the victim's DNA in his car or house?

[@internetcensure5849]

@@julienawrocki655 Then you didn't follow the case as you should have.

[@josem.rodriguez1121]

The fact they walk in with smiles....

[@briansavage932]

I question the prosecution’s competence by arguing speculation in response to a request for evidence. It’s hard to imagine they could screw up this case

[@lseh]

Didn’t they say not to zoom in on BK?

[@Rusty.1776]

JUDGE: Do not be intrusive and focus your cameras on B K! LAW & CRIME: Hold my beer!...

[@Enkayle]

He might face DP and still is calm, he’s been in jail for almost 10 months! how do you expect him to act with what you consider an appropriate demeanor toward families? You just want him to be guilty at any cost, if be sad you say oh look he feels guilty, if be calm you say oh he lacks empathy, poor kid if he’s innocent.

[@saraglickman5889]

There is way too much evidence against him... he is guilty it's so obvious

[@martrika]

He’s been in custody for 6 months not 10

[@lloydchristmas1086]

poor kid who butchered 4 kids...125 investigators including FBI and Idaho state police and you think he could be innocent? The FBI brass put their best people on this case because of the high profile of it...bK is guilty.

[@Enkayle]

@@saraglickman5889 But if too much evidence is against him being innocent, why bother with his behavior? Instead, stick with the obvious facts. If he’s innocent even just for 1% probability, these “already convicted of this heinous crime so let's judge him” attitudes will seriously destroy his life forever. Let’s all stay unbiased until proven guilty in a court of law.

[@Enkayle]

@@martrika my mistake sorry❤️, thanks for correcting it.

[@rasta6713]

Exactly. I knew this case was sketch right when I heard it. Multiple people in the house, no forced entry? Now denying access to evidence? Weird

[@Goodhello369]

Whats sketch is your dna and knife sheath being dropped at murder scene. And your vehicle matching the description perfectly. Dont drink the kool aid. He’s toast.

[@meganbessenbacher7107]

What reason does he need to be out of his jumpsuit with no jury to prejudice?

[@TrishD33LGK]

I'd like to know the answer to this too. This is twice now that this judge apparently granted him rights he is not entitled to. If this judge is going to keep throwing out the rule of law and giving his power to the defense because he's afraid of making the slightest mistake, perhaps the prosecution should request a change of venue. Because as far as judges go, I think he's the only game in town for that county. So, they'd have to move.

[@meganbessenbacher7107]

@@TrishD33LGK Maybe he is just trying to ensure a fair trial to avoid any complications.. but I have never seen a client in a suit outside of trial.

[@akademikz23]

Before i get jumped.. hes most likely guilty.. however, due process is your right as a human. You need evidence, a trial, found guilty by a jury of your peers. These processes are in place to protect your human rights. Dont get so upset just let everyone do thier job.

[@RostClan220]

Thank you and agree!

[@potheadzndrama215]

Nobody should jump on you for that. That’s what’s fair in America & it’s the law. So many ppl have the defendants guilty before it even gets to trial. It’s disgusting & I hope they never serve or have served on a jury. I’d hate to be wrongfully accused in todays world

[@akademikz23]

@@potheadzndrama215 I agree. But that shows you how powerful the media is. People forget though the media, the news etc is a business. They make their money on sensationalism It's why I don't watch the news generally. Anyway, this guy is likely guilty of something if not murder of 4 people. But I'll wait for the end of the trial to reserve too much speculation.

[@davidbrown8517]

The prosecution is making a big mistake having Father Christmas on the team.

[@tereseday4060]

He's retiring after this case, so I don't see him admitting he's wrong.

[@nowirehangers2815]

Years of experience is a weakness? Ok

[@CaseNotesOnFile]

😂

[@2hearts1song4ever8]

He was rocking back and forth a lot today. He looked nervous to me.

[@Ben-rh9kr]

@@2hearts1song4ever8 Maybe too much caffeine?

[@reeva5735]

The sooner people realise that these officials in Moscow Idaho operate in the same way as the Good Old Boys of South Carolina, the sooner you realise exactly what Anne Taylor is up against. Corruption is rooted there and they need to just get on with things and hand over the requested evidence. They should NOT be allowed to operate in secret. If everything is above board, then there is no reason to be avoiding this is there!!

[@ceha9517]

What is the reason for them to be corrupt? What do you think they did or did not do?

[@reeva5735]

@@ceha9517 Too much to even get started on. The information is available at your fingertips. Don't take my word for it. I am talking in historic terms, not specifically this case. To be fair.. they tend not to solve crimes full stop. However, they got a million dollars to solve these murders and found BK swiftly thereafter..

[@saraglickman5889]

​@@reeva5735if it's available at our fingertips what do we type in Google to get going.... you should provide some examples instead if just saying "look it up". Look what up?

[@kimstinson]

Do you live in Moscow Id? I do. I don't think you know what you are talking about.

[@saraglickman5889]

@faceykad8443 stop spreading rumors and misinformation it's not a good look

[@ShellyAnderson-un7fw]

They need to contact the attorney general's office this is a complete setup.

[@HannahRoot55]

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[@aracely1198]

@@HannahRoot55scammer 🤢

[@Ryanl1333]

The defense has a point 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@nr3858]

Yup its crazy to me that the state is trying to hide how exactly and what method they use to track BK genetically from the defense. I just don't think they have a strong case against him.

[@boxingguru4221]

Of course they do.

[@lloydchristmas1086]

​@@nr3858If they are going after DP they have a very strong case. The defense is already desperate trying to go after technicalities and saying police planted sheath...nothing but hail marys that wont work.

[@mandydyke4248]

@@nr3858 The DNA on the knife sheath is good engouh for a guilty verdict.

[@rebelred5526]

IMO, the defense came in strong with logical and reasonable requests, given that, the state has already presented the evidence in question to get warrants and a grand jury indictment. Also, IMO, the prosecutor came across as daft, claiming that they could not understand why the training records for those officers were relevant. The defense lawyer explained why the records were relevant twice, and her explanation made perfect sense to me.

[@charmedbymeghan]

Exactly. Let them do their job. And it is his constitutional right to be defended to the best of their ability. I hope the state does have correct person and proves it in court. But not by withholding evidence they find relevant. 🙄

[@Overseventy]

Completely agree. I'm not sure the prosecutor tactics of denying the defense the information they need. If the main objective of everybody is FAIR trial, then a guy who is on trial FOR HIS LIFE should be given all the info he needs to conduct his defense (PERIOD).

[@kookietherapy9398]

Requesting Police Training Records was a great Touché.

[@Clydekid]

It's a fill a buster to get more time...and nit pick

[@goated3285]

Keyword it made sense to YOU, the court will decide. Regardless they have lawfully already given her what his is untitled to BY LAW. What she is asking for is not required by law . She wants information to focus on LE & FBI because she has NO OTHER ARGUMENT. When you client is guilty, your best options is to get them off on a technicality, if that don’t work then cause as much doubt as possible which is what she is trying to do with LE who puts their life con the line for ALL of us to sleep peacefully knowing BK is in jail. Anne just stated that the prosecution HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING WRONG but the have a disagreement over evidence that’s not by law required to give.

[@vicb7341]

I don't buy that BK did this, at the very least, on his own. He checked all the boxes and the police needed to make an arrest. The evidence is circumstantial at best.

[@donhagerman4868]

Thanks for the update! 🙂✌️

[@tanyray84]

I don’t like when prosecutors don’t turn in evidence, if they have nothing how they got the warrants from judges, I’m pretty sure that’s a constitutional right. They better not messed these up or they gonna look really bad

[@7DAYS_ATSEA]

As she said, she doesn't think they're doing it illegally or on purpose but rather that their communication has dwindled. She's just asking the judge to encourage them to be transparent (legally).

[@KS-hi8vi]

Maybe he’s not guilty.

[@sallycinnamon5370]

Did you not listen to how much data HAS been produced. They are just quibbling over a few bit of data that the state don’t think are relevant or haven’t gotten from the FBI yet

[@tanyray84]

@@KS-hi8vi I guess we’ll find out in like three years if they keep holding evidence and the defense start asking for more time to prepare, I seen case’s when by the third time asking for evidence they’ll ask the judge for dismissal.

[@Pllm30]

Prosecution does not have police training records. They can't give her what they don't have.