BRYAN KOHBERGER UNMASKED -Psychologist Dr John Matthias

[@Njvghvvnn]

FOR THOSE NEW TO HTC: Dr. John is explaining how BK may have FELT BULLIED, NOT THAT HE WAS IN FACT BULLIED. Rejection from a woman, for example is not bullying , but often perceives as a slight and not handled well. Dr. John likely felt that was implied as it was for many of us because we understand the rejection logic and we understand Dr. John and how he thinks and he would never assume bullying even if it was actually bullying without being pretty sure. He’s not saying for sure he’s an incel even tho there’s plenty to support he is. So he definitely would not assume women rejecting a strange man was bullying. IN THIS CONTEXT BULLYING MEANS PERCEIVED SLIGHTS. Rejection is a perceived insult or bullying possibly to BK. Sorry to use yelling font, but it seems that needed cleared up.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you for understanding Dr John and translating exactly what he was trying to express.

[@salutsoleil3682]

This is exactly how I interpreted Dr. John’s words.

[@coleen_L_3]

I have started and restarted my response to you several times. I am not finding the adequate words to express my reaction to your “yelling font.” So I’ll say that it disappoints me on a channel like this that a hidden gem would go there to make their point. Everyone has different methods, though, and I’ll have to infer that you prefer the one you chose.

[@Njvghvvnn]

@@HiddenTrueCrime sounds like some new people to not understand. The OGs weren’t confused at all

[@Njvghvvnn]

@@coleen_L_3 would go where to make a point? And who? Whose the hidden gem

[@lpetitoiseau9146]

I find it difficult to label female rejection as “bullying”. He sounds like an awkward, persistent, clueless young man. Men like that scare young women. Women have a right, even an obligation, to protect themselves. To forcefully tell him to go away and stay away and to repeat themselves when they see him again is not bullying. Some young men have to be rejected, forcefully and repeatedly and even threatened if they continue to act in a feral manner. It’s not cruel to protect yourself.

[@Cruella-mm6qo]

Kids he went to school with said he was bullied???

[@Cruella-mm6qo]

But I do agree that he likely processed rejection as bullying and it sounds like he was too forward.

[@y2ksurvivor]

​@@Cruella-mm6qothey never said he was specifically bullied by females. that's a leap.

[@kathduncan9618]

Same. 'Bullying' can also be efforts on the part of peers to draw the 'bullied' person's attention to their poor and unattractive behaviours. I'm not excusing it but it's not always a horrific process - my sympathies to those suffering from bullies - but I've also seen really awful people calling others 'bullies' for merely questioning their actions and attitudes towards others.

[@pixl8me]

The female who re-told the awkward date and tickling may be a clue BK has issues with recognizing boundaries? The eye fuzz? Left too long behind a toddler gate for e.g. ?

[@Ashbyee]

I have to speak to this….. I am the mom of identical twin boys that are on the autism spectrum. Albeit, high functioning, but the social struggles are real. And really painful to watch through the teen years. One left for college at 19 and the other at 21. I was so worried about them…. I wasn’t sending off the captain of the football team…. These boys struggled. Mama worried. A lot. I am so proud of them. One became president of student government and the other was asked to become a tutor his freshman year! But, I WORRIED and did cry:/ Let’s speak to lack of male role modeling. I was divorced and their father’s involvement limited. Thank God we found a school that specialized in social struggles and the importance of strong male role modeling for boys on the spectrum.

[@rockscousteau]

I have High Functioning Autism. And what they need to do is this...... KZbin. I am sure they have a few "Interests" that they put everything into...and know everything about like me. They need to do videos on those things here. They will excel

[@Ashbyee]

@@rockscousteau they do know a thing or two about history;) very very bright. So proud of them. Thank you for the suggestion.

[@catherinekeller7938]

I have always suspected that BCK was on the spectrum or what was known as Asperger's. Many signs. Awkwardness, no understanding of social cues, few, if any friends, that forced(expected) smile/acknowledgement at each hearing, the intelligence (the focus on one area), also he had visual snow and depression, plus low self esteem, as he himself wrote on message boards.

[@donnakreye8339]

I disagree with judging kids on male versus female or other influential family members or friends. We have to quit pretending a family exists that has a PRESENT mother, father and functional family type existence. Inappropriate analogy.

[@SueIvy-f5g]

BEST EPISODE YET! Dr. John needs to go in depth more often! You guys are a great team!

[@dawn1913]

The reddit posts by his mom are very sad and telling. She was very insightful and had reason to worry, and not just for her son. I remember hearing that his dad drove up to WSU to help him move in. He had "jokingly" asked a neighbor to be his friend. I think both had serious concerns for their son, and rightfully so.

[@Eman__7]

Oh noooo that’s so sad. I feel so bad for them, it seems like they have tried to do their best but their worst nightmare became a reality!

[@karmakuntz]

​@@DistancetoEmpty5678This is definitely a cover up And BK is innocent. BK was not the Door Dash guy though

[@ty9884]

I just watched a documentary on BTK -- Dennis Rader -- and Kohberger's admiring teacher was the primary expert and narrator. He was about the same age as Bryan when he was laid off from a job he loved at Cessna. That same day he began practicing breaking into houses. Not long after, he murdered a family -- Mother, father, young sister, and young brother. Two other kids survived because they were not there. It was hideous. Strangling --- he hanged the 11-year-old daughter in the basement and killed her last. She was crying and asked him what is going to happen to me. He said, "Tonight you'll be in heaven with your family...." It reminded me of the 1122 killer telling Xana, "Don't worry, I'm here to help you" while she was weeping. I think BK may have responded similarly after he suffered all the rejection at this new job he had landed. Rader said it was a manifestation of his "dark side" and he became a serial killer to make society itself pay for what he saw as his mistreatment. I think you are are on the right path.

[@mikeellis4571]

I watch a ton of true crime, and most provide very good insights, but no one breaks it down like Dr. John. Your psychological profiles are must see tv. Thanks!!!

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you!

[@eliseintheattic9697]

As a parent of an adult child who struggles, I can empathize with his mother. It must have been terrifying for her to have him leave home, knowing how poorly adapted he was. Then her worst fears came true.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Yes, I can only imagine.

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

Absolutely..😢

[@catherinewylie6959]

I wondered if she even thought he could even be capable of such a thing.

[@Fairy71128]

If your child struggles, you can’t shield them, you need to teach them how to handle tough life situations that are inevitable.

[@LasPhoenix777]

@@Fairy71128🙄 hmm would 4 people be dead if Bryan was shielded a bit more? A mother know what their kid needs. I’m certain you know what yours need.

[@paigebarker1468]

I moved out of my parents' house the first time at 27, but my parents and I have a really healthy relationship. I was going to school 5 minutes from home, didn't have to pay rent, have half of a house to myself, etc. Plus I was taking care of my grandma part time for a few of those years, and my parents are older as well, my dad has a lot of health issues so I was there to help him as well. I'm actually back at their house now at 29 after finally getting out of an abusive relationship where I was (mostly emotionally) abused, but also physically and monetarily abused and have had to file bankruptcy. Thankfully I have parents that are willing and able to help me out and are perfectly fine with my moving back in while I get myself together. Not to make a big argument about it or anything, just to say that some people stay at home longer than others although it's not always because of an unhealthy attachment.

[@oakwoodnymph]

Appreciate your comment and your respect to your family. Our ancestors had no such issues with regard to kicking their offspring out of the nest. It was an interesting listen from John. Good wishes to your journey through this life..and to your parents. As parents we are not all perfect, but try our best.🐾

[@dawns.6022]

I totally agree. I don't live in the States any more, I've moved to the Middle East and I find it interesting how this is also totally different in other cultures. Here, most kids aren't expected to leave the nest before they get married, both girls and boys. They may choose to leave earlier but in general parents and the society don't push it.

[@tonystevenson26]

Heck, these Snowflakes nowadays never leave home

[@Rg-hc6or]

Absolutely.

[@sunnygirl9691]

Maybe so but you leaving home and immediately finding yourself in a highly abusive situationship seems to indicate you may not have healthy attachment and/or a healthy relationship skills.

[@DeeLish2000]

The mother had every right to be worried about her son especially after a very dangerous drug addiction. Let’s not forget how going through drug addiction with your child changes the dynamic between parents and child. It stunts the maturity of the child and they lose time to deal with life without drugs. BK mother was most likely frightened he may go back to drugs after a fight to keep him sober. Also, BK not only was overweight but he had depression which is also frightening to parents. All this makes a parent wish they could keep them safe and under their wing. Dependency is inevitable when a child has struggle the way BK has. I feel for the mother and father especially since their worse fear came true.

[@rhodadutoit1747]

Fully agree with you. Parenthood is so difficult and it is simply human nature to become protective when you sense weakness/issues in your child. He clearly had issues his entire life and they thought they were supporting him the best way they knew how??? I honestly feel for them.

[@tonystevenson26]

Their worst fear that he has been FALSEY ACCUSED of murder you mean......

[@RobinReynolds-f4d]

@@tonystevenson26m B

[@maryannheinsman739]

Very well said. I, too, really feel for his parents. There’s no manual for navigating these issues. I have no doubt they did the best they could.

[@maureens100]

Yes....yes.

[@odinsdottir3898]

On the WSU criminology PhD page online it does say as a PhD candidate they have to be in a TA program or doing research. It is a requirement. I dont know if anyone would take him on as a research assistant after being fired from the TA program

[@alicesmith6750]

Thanks, and hats off to both of you for creating content that is actual True Crime", with in-depth discussions that cover Psychopathy, personality disorders, and the mind of a murderer, and always in respect of the victims, their family's and viewers.

[@indigoblue4791]

Agreed 100%

[@estrella5935]

It doesn’t seem ethical to diagnose someone without even meeting them.

[@joannerychlik9172]

Thanks!

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

You’re welcome!

[@CCGem]

As a mother of a Gen Z/Alpha son who wants to be a police officer, I love your channel and deeper take on the forensic side. My son is an only and at times my hub and I can see where best parenting intentions have gone awry. And I've grown up and very aware of generational and cultural bias toward sons. Unconsciously, i can see that trickle into some of my behavior and I've worked with my therapist to correct it without giving my son whiplash. I get why some parents find neglectful coping methods to ease guilt. You have to be the role model - and for this ADHD gal, it's been eye opening. Every day I recommit to building my and my son's resilience.

[@MarilynFromTarotClarity]

I guess we'll never know, but I wonder if BK, if guilty, might have revisited heroin at the time of this event?

[@RLFinTX]

Listening to his mother’s Reddit posts was so terribly sad. I can’t even imagine how she felt when he was arrested. I’m certain that she has needed psychiatric help, which I’m glad it’s available for her. This is my 2nd visit, and like the first (Doerman case), and I’m astounded at how you unravel everything to make perfect sense. Thank you both for providing such a useful outlet for other truth seekers. 😊

[@cacola_3373]

Ive been screaming about this being a big part of how angry he was, especially at women, for losing everything after losing his job.

[@all_that_glitters13131]

I can't feel bad for the family and I don't know why

[@straitbrady2057]

He didn't lose that job until after he got bk to PA

[@Ther3rg]

@@all_that_glitters13131 , feel bad for assuming this man is guilty based on some clueless speculation coming from a YT channel .

[@sonflower17]

Not everyone that is rejected or treated bad are not angry but feels the deep hurt and causesone to cry. They can be merciful to others knowing how it feels to be rejected. They love and have great compassion and will encourage people.

[@barbarabrewer7086]

This has been SO INTERESTING ! I like having one primary subject discussed in a long session like this Kohberger podcast. Looking forward to the next one!

[@rivkaesther2442]

Dr. John is a pleasure to listen to-so intelligent, well prepared, balanced but not overly cautious, insightful. Every time that I have heard his insights into the criminal mind and behavior, I have learned something now. Thanks.

[@rhondablack8366]

Nailed it!! Thankyou you two for being you. never disappointed in your channel or point of view.

[@y2ksurvivor]

Genuinely curious where the evidence is of females bullying him. Rejection is one thing, harsh rejection is another, and bullying is yet another. Important distinctions.

[@ttx3]

there are statements of his former colleagues that a lot of girls from his junior-high school used to throw trash at Bryan and called him names. This is quite a bully behavior with dire consequences

[@dachshundsdogs4407]

@@ttx3 Colleagues or classmates? Any non-Daily Mail associated sources? I was also treated like that in middle school by a few people on occasion, but I never turned into a mass murderer. Bullying is awful, but I don’t think BK was made in whole or part, by some junior high female bullies if that’s what you’re getting at.

[@ttx3]

@@dachshundsdogs4407 classmates. We don’t know whether the bullying he suffered during junior high caused him to become an alleged killer. If he is indeed the killer, imo there is a multitude of social & psychological factors and this is never an excuse to comitt a murder. What it matters is the totality of factors, not just only one, albeit the bullying from some teenage girls

[@justkiddin84]

Y’all also seem to skim over those same statements where they say he becomes a bully after losing weight. So he ‘got fit’ and thought he was boss now.

[@kristenbarker29]

I think he confused bullying for rejection. His weight loss and intelligence will never mask his lack of social skills and his reactions to his environment. He just never accepted the fact that HE was the problem

[@maggiedurham447]

I’m so glad this podcast is up. I was listening 4 weeks ago in my car, and I lost connection, searched for it with no luck. It was very interesting/informative. Happy to be able to hear it in its entirety. 👍🏼🍀😎

[@all_that_glitters13131]

Love you guys such a power duo big love from Perth Australia

[@brendahart9930]

I'm really excited about finding your channel. The focus is interesting and intelligent, it answers my questions, in theory, about why people do these horrible things.

[@lindaatteo409]

I absolutely love this channel and your view on this case.

[@Judykroes]

JDK. You guys are great together. I listen and watch as many as I can.

[@nvegas4552]

Psychologically challenged men put women in a bad spot. The woman draws her boundaries and says "No thanks" and the fellow with the issues blames her, thinks it's bullying, feels entitled to sex, and resents her, then rejects all women.

[@barbarabrewer7086]

When I am viewing new posts of accounts of which I am a member, I hit like as soon as I enter a chat to prevent forgetting.

[@IgniteTransformationwithDrEcke]

Thank you for your compassionate yet incredibly insightful timeline and deep dive into BK and family. As a college professor who works with students going into the field…. plans of improvements are typically put in place during the final semesters of internship… when the professional characteristics and disposition are more visible. BK having a meeting with his profs and a plan of improvement says volumes about their concerns. We serve as gatekeepers and I cannot imagine how his profs must feel. As a mother… i understand the concerns she had… BK must have had serious developmental delays in transitioning into adulthood. But with that said… the pandemic and financial burden of college also make sense to me. the heroin addiction at such a young age! the vulnerability was there on so many levels! Bravo to you both! Thank you for what you do! your are so appreciated and respected!

[@motomaster9781]

Depression and anxiety don’t contribute to becoming a psychopath. I’ve known plenty of good, moral people who suffer from depression and anxiety. Also, OCD is normally harmless. Being overweight also is common and unfortunately people name call. Yet these people do NOT turn into psychopaths .The perpetrator was a psychopath first and foremost.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

You’re speaking to two overweight people with depression and anxiety. We promise we won’t murder anyone 😂😂😂

[@kookietherapy9398]

@@HiddenTrueCrime Okay, well ALL your commercial ads during videos are a bit much...and killing me. Can you Control how the ads come up? I'd rather have a double ad way further apart, than all these continuous interruptions. Think about it, and maybe fix it, if you agree. Take a poll.😃😃

[@GoGreen-l7e]

It's when they externalize the problem that I think it becomes a problem. Most of us internalize our pain.

[@LuluDior4]

Thank you, very true! Mental health advocate here who pushes through daily with MI, ( mine is more than anxiety & depression) The stigma is still HUGLEY still in place, I fight to end it , however it’s not accepted by society it’s not a choice

[@annieangel97]

@@HiddenTrueCrime Lauren isn’t overweight??

[@kenlaxton2750]

I really enjoy your perspective. Keep up the great work.😊

[@vincentcheap]

Interesting discussion and analysis - good job you two!

[@Sandonbeach00]

This should come down as a lecture on psychology. Thznk you so much both, I love this channel

[@beckyhiggins3144]

Such competent thoughtful content. This was very interesting and out of the ordinary. You two bring an inspired twist to topics- I really appreciate it!!! ❤❤

[@asdf7711]

Back up everything TWICE. I learned this working with floppy discs! Really enjoy your joint videos.

[@AileenBartlett-ym4ec]

Dr babe, you explain what's going on mentally with these people. Its very interesting and helps to understand why it happened. So thanks for the great content. Respect from the UK

[@cm-cathy4543]

Just watched this video. Very interesting insight! This one really made me think. I always enjoy your content. You both go the extra mile.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@wynnrichards]

Just wanted to let you know how much I love this channel - I discovered while recovering from spine surgery and ever since this channel has kept me company during my recovery. Peace & Love

[@JeeJubee]

Interesting “we can do everything right and still get harmed.” This may exactly be the point he was illustrating. The student victims braved their independence into the world and into the academic culture at young ages, stuck together, negotiated interdependent relationships with mutual respect and sensitivity. He could not develop that himself so he took it from them.

[@timewa851]

& they ticked off dealers from Pullman to Boise. He's a Cleanberger.

[@tonystevenson26]

Braved their way into academia and got drunk alot and carelessly let underage drinking and drug use occur at their house unattended...please get a clue, Bryan had NO MOTIVE and is being RAILROADED

[@tonystevenson26]

​@@timewa851some of those girls were bold and mouthy, piss off the wrong person and it's curtains

[@tonystevenson26]

​@@richardmullins44I know right, it's Ridiculous ...they'll fabricate ANYTHING to make him look guilty, it's disgusting,

[@jamiepayton8490]

Then explain why a common denominator in murders are simply easy access because doors and windows weren't secured. They didn't do everything right.

[@janai5074]

Excellent analysis, Dr John. I usually have a difficult time following but you were on the money tonight. Way to stay organized and on track 🔥👏💯

[@nellyb2434]

analysis of a person he doesn't know, who has yet to be proven guilty??

[@janai5074]

@@nellyb2434 , yes and they caveated that didn't they? They took the information they do have, and gave a good analysis on the maybes of him and his mother...I think it was rather fair and well-done. Just like you did on the good Doc here, people are allowed to judge our public lives. It's human nature and it's protective behavior, our judgements are used for daily survival. In this case, it was interesting and felt like a good introspection on human behavior. Yes, we're still not sure if these are the facts but given the info that's out there I believe it was fair and not over the top. We'll see what happens in court...until then, the public is allowed to speculate, huh?

[@nellyb2434]

@@janai5074 I agree to a point but there is speculation based on the facts and there is speculation based on what people think they know. I do not believe that a psychologist should take one sided stories and unconfirmed facts and call their video 'Bryan Kohberger Unmasked' based on rumours. It's completely unprofessional! If he was found guilty already, yes, but how does this man get a fair trial with so-called professionals posting videos like this?

[@deannag48]

Oh so sorry about 😞 your adorable boy 😔 Hope he may feel better 🩵🩵💫👏 Dr Babe & Lauren thank you so much for your timely podcasts. I know you two will always give phenomenal truths.🩵

[@deborahbarry8458]

I remain stunned that these TWO memorably horrific crimes… took place in IDAHO!

[@justkiddin84]

Not just two hon.

[@dertywhiteboy5174]

Great show,I really enjoyed this,I didn't see it live but hopefully next time,ty

[@roberte3781]

I have a theory that may go deeper than being rejected by girls at school. I think BK resented his successful sisters, who by the way are very pretty blonde haired females. I think he was teased by his siblings relentlessly for being over weight. I also think he resented his mom. When he writes about the “snow” as a teen and depression, he only refers to his dad and how he loved him, but was not nice to him. He also wrote a note to his dad, but no mention of mom. As well, it was economical for him to stay home to go to college (remember parents weren’t well off) and during his Master’s was the pandemic. Also, the prof who thought he was a “star” pupil had never met him in person, so she was referring only to his intellect, not his social interactions

[@nolasmith7687]

All good relevant points…we are all soooo multifaceted aren’t we!

[@giorgismama8024]

Wow! I didn’t know that the professor who recommended him had never met him in person! If true, that’s so bizarre, but makes sense in a way!

[@tonystevenson26]

Why would Bryan resent his sister's, are you saying Bryan isn't successful? Damn, what's it take for you ? The dude KICKED HEROIN, determinedly lost weight, studied and worked hard and had a PHD...seems pretty succesfull to me...he KNEW TOO MUCH about Mosconian shenanigans, so they RAILROADED him

[@dachshundsdogs4407]

Where did you read about his sisters teasing him?

[@roberte3781]

@@tonystevenson26 I never said he was unsuccessful. I was merely theorizing that there maybe more to the family dynamics.

[@WeavingSpiritOracle]

This is definitely the very best video on the alleged. Very thorough and comprehensive. thank you

[@Fairy71128]

His mother was in denial, shielded him from real life. Reality is that you’ll get rejected, you will fail. But she was giving the message to him that he’s infallible, that people have to love him instantly, like she loves him…. That’s just immature of the mother too

[@riatiley8549]

Hi from South Africa. Thank you for this program. I find it so interesting.

[@VikingK]

Yes, an assistantship can be a scholarship that includes tuition, housing, living stipend. It is a massive disgrace to lose such a scholarship package.

[@KChung-dt5gs]

Not only losing it , but so very quickly! It's like they faculty recognized their mistaken choice in less than half a semester.

[@bernimac]

wow..I listened so carefully..Amazing.. this was great to watch. thank you!

[@llamamama2910]

Pushing back doesn’t necessarily equate or elevate to bullying. When a guy thinks you are flirting just for talking to him you have to clearly shut it down.

[@jenleigh342]

AMEN! YES! 😊

[@addhandlehere]

This!!!!

[@chrisazure1624]

Just do it nicely. I can't tell you how defeating it is if a woman just blows you off.

[@dejuhvu1793]

Not to him. To him, they’re bullying him. That’s how HE sees it.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Perceived bullying. No one should have to appease a man.

[@MarthaHannah3851]

Dr. John is the best!

[@laneykane8062]

So happy I stumbled onto your podcast!!!

[@Kare1949]

Sorry I missed your live. Thank you Dr John and Lauren for all you do. Love from Nebraska❤️

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

You’re welcome!

[@COOLSTUDIOS-x1r]

This was so fascinating and what every true crime fan loves!!!!!!! This needs to be seen and heard !!!!!

[@mothersgauri4137]

Thank you for this great assessment Makes perfect sense. Thank you. Regarding the part about his mom, it does somehow ring similar to Brian Laundrie's relationship with his mom. I also found it interesting that when talking about her son, she never expresses any mention of pride in his achievement of getting higher learning, moving ahead in life,etc. which I would think most normal parents would do. Yes, you miss them, but you are also happy they are succeeding in life ! Yet every word is only about herself and how horribly she is missing him. Maybe a small point for some, but put in context, it just adds one more flag in my mind. Clearly this was not a "rational" crime with easy to explain logical motives. Bryan is obviously a complicated and twisted person. This was a train waiting to crash. Those poor kids that just happened to be there when it happened .......devastating !!! I pray that the trial will bring justice ! Sadly, you can't bring back a child's life. Prayers for those poor families. Just impossible to imagine.

[@kimsmith1626]

Wow great analysis!!! Love your show!!

[@debbieblair3329]

Rewatch crew! Great show! Love your take on this Doctor!

[@BoiseGreatDane]

Replay crew here … an Idahoan with close ties to Moscow… I’m looking forward to hearing a fresh perspective ❤❤

[@cacola_3373]

He was really angry at women for reporting him for discriminating against female students, so he blamed women for destroying his life.......

[@tonystevenson26]

No , not at all, the female students simply did not put in the effort required to get the grades...they asked Bryan to go easier on them, even though they may not have deserved it.They wanted him to lessen his credibility

[@Jenny-nz8fb]

@tonystevenson - you are trolling 🤥

[@justkiddin84]

@@tonystevenson26🙄🤮

[@nellyb2434]

PMSL - receipts??

[@cacola_3373]

@@nellyb2434 - google or look on you tube as to why his job was terminated as TA..... Have you been following this case?? This is kinda common knowledge.

[@Angosu]

Dr. John as always this was very insightful! I’m glad you mentioned the correlation to Roberta Laundry bc I’ve always thought the mothering was similar.

[@Gracie994]

Watching replay, I love your podcasts ❤😊

[@leefossett5777]

You guys are amazing. It makes sense that Bryan was failing at his university so he takes it out on those who did very well, and are thriving at their university, getting ready to launch 🚀 out in the world where he can’t. That leads me to think, there’s something way more evil here than meets the eye. How could Bryan pick these random students that were the epitome of the American dream? Loving life, succeeding, launching out in the world…..he strikes them down from out of town. How did he find them? Not being physically present…..just off social media?

[@pixl8me]

His father flying to drive back with him is very important. Sent by the mother. Get him home for a re-set.

[@straitbrady2057]

Parents do that on long trips I would

[@straitbrady2057]

That is a long damn trip and makes sense to me to fly and ride back come in now

[@nancyleblanc9200]

I’ve been waiting for this update from y’all.

[@brooklynrules6117]

Listen, I’ve been rejected more times than a stolen credit card and I’ve never felt bullied

[@onthecoast3691]

Omg...what a great comment!

[@Ther3rg]

Thank goodness you were never accused of murder bc your rejection would make up your profile . This is all ridiculous .

[@brooklynrules6117]

@@Ther3rg Well, the only thing I’ve ever murdered are 7 or 8 relationships.

[@Ther3rg]

@@brooklynrules6117 , and so far I haven’t heard 1 relationship BK have murdered . The guy is social awkward around girls so what …. That doesn’t make him a murderer . He doesn’t even fit the profile of someone who can carry out something so brutal . So far we’ve heard nothing from Dr . John or the DA to convince me they have the right man .

[@karenroe9219]

Was a great show!!! BLESSINGS

[@MJCwithKeriLynn]

Staying close for school and staying at home can have a lot to do with finances.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Whatever the reasons, he was leaving home for the first time.

[@cecilemulvehill7032]

Great and very informative! Thanks so much!

[@Henleysmom]

In the 1st traffic stop, his Dad mentioned that Bryan works at the university. I didn't realize he had already been fired. I guess his father wasn't yet aware. His Dad is so proud of him, mentioning he's a PHD student. That would make it even harder to break the news to your parents that your getting ready to be possibly kicked out of the program and it would make his mom's worries about him all the more true. Thank you for clarifying that this was before he was fired! It was smart of the University staff to let him know he was fired after he left the campus to PA.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

We know the exact moment you’re taking about. Technically he hasnt yet been fired. The video was on 12/15 and he was fired on 12/19. His dad is proud and points to his son, and Bryan answers proudly too .

[@Candy-O1776]

Bryan wasn’t aware either.

[@justkiddin84]

@@Candy-O1776he probably had an idea it was coming though. He had already had the altercation and then the meeting with the professor group, who would have told him a decision was coming.

[@straitbrady2057]

He didn't know he was losing that job until he got back to Pa

[@justkiddin84]

@@straitbrady2057 he had a good idea it was coming. Had already been before the group of professors making the decision. These tiny little points are all the defense has and it’s waving paper in our faces to cover up the huge mound of actual evidence against him.

[@tatumstevenson2189]

Thanks for this discussion… learned a lot

[@brittanyhaskins8252]

The letter from his mother is so sad. It truly sounds like a very caring mother who is very upset and concerned about his departure across the country. The co-dependency is also out of this world. Some foresight into what has happened. Wow.

[@FreakyDarlin]

Hello from The Netherlands… enjoy your take on things👍

[@mindhealsbody-soul]

Be wary of the "nice mother" on social media or anywhere else, really. It frightening the different faces some people can have.

[@tenaciousduk6587]

Bloody awesome. I really enjoyed this exploration. Keep up the good work.

[@havanesemommom6912]

Sorry for your terrible day- keeping it real!!! Love you guys !

[@ninaschultz6922]

I know, I am sorry, too. But I laughed so hard at the 5 yr old's perspective of not caring about the flooded house, like it's an adventure 😅😊

[@pattypankopf9478]

Supe congrats on crossing the 100k threshold!!

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you!

[@cacola_3373]

Ive been screaming about this being a big part of how angry he was, especially at women, for losing everything after losing his job.

[@fiveseat]

Ty for makin it make sense..very insightful.. Nice job Dr. and wife thanks

[@evs8827954]

I have also always wondered if he were trying to commit the perfect crime but I have also wondered how gratifying it truly is if no one can know you did it. If he wanted to show up his professors, wouldn’t he also want them to know he was the one? But, of course, it’s no longer the perfect crime if you tell anyone. Your remarks about his mother really reminded me of how truly tragic this whole situation was for everyone involved. She clearly was hurting when he left and loved him in perhaps a twisted-getting-her -own-needs-met kind of way but so very sad. I can’t imagine what she’s going through wondering/knowing her son was capable of such a brutal heinous crime and was feeling whatever he was feeling that led him to this grisly solution and couldn’t talk to her about it. She must be questioning what she did to create such a monster that could slaughter 4 innocent people. Not sure why I’m feeling any empathy

[@pezzcat6271]

I also had this same thought about the "perfect crime". if someone knows what you did, then it no longer will be perfect, so there's no proving here to outside. however; given his intellectually superior complex, this also may have been a case to prove his own worth to himself. then he can accept and make peace with the failure he had. just a personal thought.

[@christinemanson2928]

Love your show and you too are such beautiful kind hearted caring people 'keep up the great work and thank you for sharing it with us 🇨🇦😘👏

[@kristiwebb4999]

When I listen to the description of Brian's social awkwardness, I can see my 18 year old autistic son's social awkwardness. It's something we have tried to teach, but social ques ordinarily come instinctively. They are so hard to teach. My boy has been in ASD programs since the age of 3.

[@bubbabroad9051]

so true

[@LovingLioness]

Totally understand. Really annoys me when people blame the parents. Even parents who do everything right can't always help our ASD kids learn to be less socially awkward... it is considered a disability for a reason

[@dachshundsdogs4407]

You’re a great mom supporting him since age 3. I don’t know your situation, but early intervention helps so much and he’s probably so much better for it. I think there’s the added obstacle of mixed social messages. Boys are often taught by society to “not give up!” and they mistake this for “don’t take no for an answer”, and sometimes you get creeps actually trying to teach this to impressionable young males, like the pick up artist / Andrew Tate types. It’s not social cues the guys are missing, but a flat out misunderstanding of what girls and women are, fully autonomous humans to be respected. My sister is already running circles for my 11 year old nephew who is learning nonsense from his friends who get nonsense online and social media, and my nephew is not on the spectrum. Parenting boys these days is not easy. I’ve seen plenty of kids with ASD, and their parents never did any much to help them, let alone since age 3. So your son is really lucky to have you.

[@mtaylor7307]

My grandson too and now maybe my granddaughter. My son has bought into a children's sports franchise so he can spend his time with the kids as they develop working through sports, Mr. Momming-it, and special education programs. All of this is no guarantee of success for the children. We understand much more about special needs than we used to but in general society is not supportive in inclusivity. We have laws being changed with constant pushes to discriminate and hurt marginalized people and groups in our society in the USA. Our lack of quality of healthcare in general is inadequate. Our priorities as citizens has to include more than giving tax breaks to the wealthiest citizens. *EDIT: ADA requirements for education are not being met nationally with a rise in abuse of disabled children in public schools being reported. More goes unreported.*

[@Fairy71128]

That shows you that social awkwardness doesn’t lead to aggression at all… you need psychopathy element

[@wendygoldberg7209]

I love your research and dedication to this case. I am starting my channel soon here in South africa 🇿🇦 and find all your content extremely fascinating 👏

[@successfulnow]

Doctor Babe you are quite brilliant! Love you as a team.

[@divadivalein1213]

Well done you both!!!!!!!!!greetings from Germany 😊

[@sonjo2419]

Hi guys.. About his Mom being worried about him being far from family and friends. Is she concerned he might fall back into drug habit? Great idea to discuss this.

[@houseofrio1960]

I think that has to be in the back of mind at all times...

[@SheilaPeavler-zj9qe]

Loved the show!

[@catasrophieGrrl]

omg, I have 2 boys. Imagine your nearly 30 year old child finally leaving home for the first time, and then you see him months later and they've slaughtered 4 children! I can't imagine how his Mum is.

[@edamameedamame1202]

This is very scary but make sense. Thank you Dr John and Lauren your questions are spot on. Really good episode. (I’m scared 😳)

[@charisepfahl7778]

Dr. John I agree with you about the ASD. Having worked for years on with kids on the spectrum I have seen the social awkwardness many have. Kids who have Hugh IT'S try so hard to fit in, but they just cannot connect. This can cause anger to build and lead to sudden aggressiveness. Has he been diagnosed.

[@ozzietad666]

I believe John said he couldnt comment on the ASD suggestions as he doesnt know enough about that diagnosis.

[@sonjo2419]

I am very awkward socially and avoid social events. I’m discovering I was not born with this I learned it through trauma I had to survive growing up neglected l, critical and controlling mother. Feeling not worthy. Hard to heal.

[@c.nilsson5503]

I’ve taught SPED, and I also know a lot of adults with “high functioning autism” diagnoses. Great communication with each other, not prone to “group-think”, lots of empathy. Studies show 41% more brain processing than the neurologically average, but the differences in communication style and directness of “Aspies” make for more difficulty in communicating with the average than the average with someone from a different culture. There are even ideas of Aspies as “human 2.0”. You probably know a few of them, but aren’t aware of it. The neurologically average need to stop stereotyping them as broken and wrong.

[@ozzietad666]

@@c.nilsson5503 I have autism and have been involved in large autism communities. It’s a very diverse group varying from highly empathetic emotional people to very logical people - people who get angry and show it, to people who don’t show any aggression whatsoever. People who desire to be social - people who don’t have any urge for connection. We are all very very different to each other and , just like all humans, respond to our environments and experiences in different ways. People shouldn’t demonise people with autism, nor should they pretend that some of us don’t have more extreme struggles or inappropriate responses. We still have to make choices like everyone else. Autism brings some gifts but also some burdens- and for some people those burdens are heavier than others. And just like all human beings we can do bad things. We know the rules - laws- social situations are more difficult because they’re not spelled out. And most autistic people like clear rules and follow them, however there are also those who have secondaries like oppositional behaviours, aggression, lying etc. they maybe the minority but they do exist and unfortunately give people with limited unuanced views of autism imbalanced ideas on what it is and how it effects us. Fortunately, I’m finding, with more and more people having family members or friends being diagnosed, there seems to be a lot more understanding of how wide the spectrum of behaviours and thinking are and that we are not our autism. We are different human beings to each other and happen to have a neurological difference. It’s not who we are but it effects how we are. I have found the change in attitude generally over the last 2 decades to be a positive thing, with more people knowing more than one person with autism, there seems to be a broadening of thinking and less one dimensional view of us as cold geniuses or saintly super power possessors. We are humans like everyone else. If someone says “ I’m autistic “ it really doesn’t tell you much about them at all. My next question to that is “ how does it effect you?” Because for every one who loves sci fi- there is one who only reads non fiction. For every one with sensory issues hating perfume- there is one that sensory seeks perfume. Spectrum really is a word that fits it well and shows the diversity.

[@ttx3]

I’m pretty sure he has ASD - Asperger. I encountered several fellows having Asperger (diagnosed) and they all have something odd in their demeanour, although they were really inteligent, hardworking people. As far as Bryan is being described by his former colleagues, he is lot like the fellows I know with ASD.

[@hellegotthansen121]

Hi. I really enjoy your channel and listen to you all the time. Nice, that you are so competent. I'm Helle from Denmark 😉

[@KarenMazahamArt]

He appears confident and much less awkward in his recent court appearance which is strange considering what he's facing.

[@brianjoe7070]

@ap-mf8ch😂

[@richardbraley1424]

He appears more confident because he's getting the 5 minutes of fame he wants.

[@BriannaAlyce08]

Thank you so much for the incredible information and updates. You guys are amazing and im a big fan!

[@mardyross2838]

Regarding parents, in winter and bad roads often a factor .... why would they fly dad to help him drive home for a month ... then was there a plan someone would drive with him for the next semester? Why not just fly BK home and back? Did they perhaps have him ticketed then to avoid being tracked change to driving and having dad fly and escort?

[@HeadHondo]

So refreshing listening to discussion about BK grounded in reality

[@megantheestylist9410]

Thanks for the great live tonight!

[@patricias6728]

Thoughtful insights. Very interesting and informative.

[@crystaldawn9255]

The average age that children leave home in America is between 24 and 27. I think we all left a lot earlier when we were younger because it was a lot easier to have a job and an apartment whereas now you couldn't have even a job that pays over minimum wage and have even a studio apartment if you wanted to. You couldn't afford it. At least in Washington State. Especially if they're in college full-time and can't work full-time. In my opinion if you're in a four-year college and then you're continuing education it's going to be extremely hard to leave home and there really isn't a reason to if you're genuinely furthering your education. I don't know I just never thought it was that strange he was still on. Imo🙂 I don't want mothers or even college students to feel guilty if they're still living at home at 24 and 25 right now at this time that is perfectly average and normal. Where you live really doesn't matter as long as you're working and possibly furthering your education. I don't see the point in moving out before your inner steady relationship when you want to live together. It's putting yourself into poverty and necessarily. Most of My friends and family's children of that age did not leave home permanently until between 26 and 30

[@crystaldawn9255]

I'm definitely not saying you guys are wrong or judging wrongly or anything like that I just simply don't want people that are normal regular people still living at home to feel bad. When it comes to Brian Yes it's part of the puzzle absolutely

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

By 27 most of us have left home at least once. I lived at home during college. Heck, i was living at home at 28. I also set off on my own for 6 months when I was 20, and then a year and a half when I was 22, etc. But whether or not we think it’s unusual or not-we weren’t commenting on it being wrong or right. We were pointing out that Bryan Kohberger had not been away from home until just a mere couple months before the murders, and that his parents were likely buffer up until this major life change.

[@ozzietad666]

@@crystaldawn9255 I dont think its about him still being at home at that age alone....its also about his mums reaction to him leaving home. Most parents would know its healthy for kids to blossom and flee, far earlier. Even if they still may sleep at your house, they usually have lives of their own at that age and dont have a mummy worrying about them leaving.

[@lauriestaltari7107]

Im a downton abby fan unfortunately fell asleep last night catching up now.

[@stephanies6655]

I feel Dr. John did an amazing job on this podcast. I wonder if BK’s parents ever got him help. As a parent, I feel it is our responsibility to get our children the help/supports they need when they are young - especially when there are clear signs of emotional struggles of any kind.

[@kyrieteleison3009]

I think here in the south, all of us mamas are like his mom. We do not do well when our kiddos move out. It is like a little grief because that season of our life is over.

[@sarahengen3008]

My husband said the same thing abt crime and punishment. He’s a clinical psychologist. He thought also the cold, compulsive, obsessive traits were almost like he was in training, like a mercenary. Some the WWI/II mercenaries were vegan. Very structured and compulsive routines - like his running at night.

[@jason_odonnell_music]

Give me a break. Well, Kopacka was an actual Marine. Next?

[@eileenburns798]

I’m happy to be on your list of listeners. Need facts and you both can tribute to that.