DOJ: Google Must Sell Off Chrome

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Bryan Lunduke

Bryan Lunduke

Күн бұрын

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@mgatelabs
@mgatelabs 5 күн бұрын
Microsoft, you have the chance to do the funniest thing, buy chrome, rename it to internet explorer (edit: also change the default search engine to Bing)
@chadmckean9026
@chadmckean9026 5 күн бұрын
LOL that would be funny, but it would just be merged with Edge and renamed Microsoft chrome to convey the info to consumers
@kenabi
@kenabi 5 күн бұрын
and wind up in the exact same situation as before? hard pass.
@CommanderRiker0
@CommanderRiker0 5 күн бұрын
They basically already have that with Edge, Isn't it based on the same base project?
@chadmckean9026
@chadmckean9026 5 күн бұрын
@@CommanderRiker0 yes edge is chrome based
@JackeryThompson-lq8zk
@JackeryThompson-lq8zk 5 күн бұрын
It's infuriating. Chrome is not a monopoly. I have FIVE browsers that I use for different purposes. They have no idea what they are regulating.
@Amipotsophspond
@Amipotsophspond 5 күн бұрын
judge: so you committed this crime. what would be a good public solution to address the crime you committed. bank robber: well, I should at least give 5% of the money I stole back to the bank but I'll go out of business if I have to give 10% and when I rob in the future I promise yell less so people are less afraid. judge: this all sounds reasonable I can see you are more then trying to be cooperative you don't have to go too far.
@aac74
@aac74 5 күн бұрын
Don't forget ChromeOS. Chrome can not be separated from it so it will have to go too and it has a 20% US market share, bigger than Apple on the desktop.
@mariotime7821
@mariotime7821 5 күн бұрын
something something year of the linux desktop
@JodyBruchon
@JodyBruchon 5 күн бұрын
@@aac74 And that's 21% too much.
@sqlexp
@sqlexp 5 күн бұрын
That's why they are working hard to implement all ChromeOS functionalities in Android, then start making Pixel laptops, and stop making Chromebooks. They're going to shut down the web store and stop allowing web apps to run on future versions of ChromeOS so that only Android apps and Linux apps can run on ChromeOS.
@horusfalcon
@horusfalcon 5 күн бұрын
@@sqlexp Interesting hypothesis. Any evidence for it out there? (I'm asking because I'd like to see it, not to challenge the hypothesis, mind.)
@JonitoFischer
@JonitoFischer 5 күн бұрын
The market share of chrome os is 2.12%, below the 4.31% of Linux desktop...
@markcahalan5698
@markcahalan5698 5 күн бұрын
Okay, but does this actually matter? Breaking news: Android partners with browser titan Chrome who partners with Google Ads....
@TehKarmalizer
@TehKarmalizer 5 күн бұрын
Stuff like that could still see them penalized under antitrust laws.
@username7763
@username7763 5 күн бұрын
We've put so many features and standards into browsers it has become insanely expensive to develop a browser engine. That is the core problem. The web was never intended to be single browser / single vendor. The vast majority of these complications are not necessary. But now that they are there, you cannot create a browser without supporting 100 different ways to do CSS layout, ajax requests, sockets, javascript and so on.
@nopenoperson9118
@nopenoperson9118 5 күн бұрын
How many "programs" are just skins on top of Chromium Embedded Framework? Discord and Steam immediately spring to mind.
@kurtwinter4422
@kurtwinter4422 5 күн бұрын
Microsoft tried that with Edge - not the Chromium Edge - but og Edge that did everything better. Didn't last long.
@gunt-her
@gunt-her 5 күн бұрын
Yep, that's called monopoly. They made the architecture this bad on purpose.
@myhandleiswhat
@myhandleiswhat 5 күн бұрын
Remember the old Playstation tagline of "it only does... everything"? That applies to internet browsers now.
@mytech6779
@mytech6779 5 күн бұрын
That really falls on users, who only care about instant gratification and don't care about the long term consequences of supporting broken bloated web development practices, spyware, and DRM. If a website is broken in a good browser (because the site is a bad actor), the user will switch to another browser that supports the bad website.
@algavone
@algavone 5 күн бұрын
I always thought Google + KZbin was too much power concentrated in one company.
@comesignotus9888
@comesignotus9888 5 күн бұрын
US justice becomes extremely slow and lenient every time when it comes to protecting people from monopolies.
@Joshua-pr9vg
@Joshua-pr9vg 5 күн бұрын
Well if you deconstruct US economy... the main goal most corporations have is to corner a market which essentially is the same as thing as monopolizing. So, we here in the US say with our mouths monopolies are bad for the culture and economy and even pass laws to deter such things, then turn around and focus all our efforts on finding ways to form monopolies. In other words... because it makes the stock values rise. So, it is baked into the cake. The folks in Washinton make money from this system. They have no incentive to end unfair toxic business practices.
@I_Am_Your_Problem
@I_Am_Your_Problem 5 күн бұрын
@@Joshua-pr9vg Impossible to take you cereal.
@piked86
@piked86 5 күн бұрын
Im old enough to remember when microsoft got in trouble for similar things. Remember when a page wouldn't load in Netscape and only Internet Explorer? Microsoft made website building tools and ensured this problem. Google has taken control of Internet standards in the way the Microsoft tried to.
@asdfqwerty-u9n
@asdfqwerty-u9n 5 күн бұрын
chrome dont show certain formats either and if i dont want chrome users on my site I would use them
@dantenotavailable
@dantenotavailable 4 күн бұрын
Chrome's monopoly vs IE's Monopoly are very different things. In so far as Google has "taken control of Internet standards" at least there's still a standard that (generally) takes input from people other than Google. Comparatively, MS just completely ignored the standards and they weren't worth anything because you could be standards compliant or you could be viewable by 90% of the internet. Probably the biggest effect of Chrome's monopoly i've seen is Manifest V3 which sort of hamstrung browser security (allegedly) because it was threatening the advertising business.
@KAZVorpal
@KAZVorpal 4 күн бұрын
No, websites wouldn't load in Netscape communicator, because Netscape Communicator was garbage.
@dantenotavailable
@dantenotavailable 4 күн бұрын
​@@KAZVorpal While there's some truth to that, it's also true that most of the sites that wouldn't load in Netscape Navigator (Navigator was the browser, Communicator was the entire suite and everything outside of Navigator was definitely trash) because they would have something saying "if your user agent doesn't contain IE then say that i'm not compatible" which was more often than not incorrect (which was why IE and Firefox gained the ability to mimic other user agents) and almost entirely because the site was relying on components that would only work on Windows (COM/ActiveX based). That's the MS plan that "Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish" came from. I'm never going to say that Navigator was the greatest but it was on par with comparable IE releases (not saying much, IE was dogshit too). When Firefox came out it was a huge improvement.
@exe_
@exe_ 5 күн бұрын
man, thanks for your hard work, it's nice to still have a journalist that's not a talking head for companies.
@nopenoperson9118
@nopenoperson9118 5 күн бұрын
How many "programs" are just skins on top of Chromium Embedded Framework? Discord and Steam immediately spring to mind.
@tuningmachine
@tuningmachine 5 күн бұрын
The vast majority of the people that work for Alphabet donated money to the politicians responsible for appointing the very people who want to break up the company.
@unter1103
@unter1103 5 күн бұрын
really just shows everything around you is being ran by nitwits
@clutchboi4038
@clutchboi4038 5 күн бұрын
It's beautiful isn't it? 😂 Got what they voted for
@imnotusingmyrealname4566
@imnotusingmyrealname4566 5 күн бұрын
and?
@corinnacohn7389
@corinnacohn7389 5 күн бұрын
What’s more, and this is vital to understand, most of the Alphabet employees are politically disposed to the destruction of powerful institutions, including that of their own employer.
@rottenmeat5934
@rottenmeat5934 5 күн бұрын
Funny how the closest companies to regulators are all exiting the browser market.
@Timely-ud4rm
@Timely-ud4rm 5 күн бұрын
I wonder what'll happen to KZbin if Google gets broken up - who might buy it or what changes we'll see? Honestly, while Google deserves these lawsuits, there are bigger fish to fry. Take BlackRock for example - they're a much more serious concern. They don't just own one industry, they have stakes in everything from the tech you use to the food you eat. Sure, some argue they're "just" an investment company, but that's exactly the problem - they have influence over all companies, that could push for price hikes, pump rent prices, and affect everyday costs. They have more control than Apple, Google, and Microsoft combined, yet they fly under the radar. THAT'S who we should be breaking up.
@zuzoscorner
@zuzoscorner 5 күн бұрын
More controll then the USA goverment. that's creepy
@DocNo27
@DocNo27 5 күн бұрын
Should let uBlock Origin back into the chrome store - ha!
@pyrioncelendil
@pyrioncelendil 4 күн бұрын
Should let AdNauseam back into the Chrome store.
@nicoleking772
@nicoleking772 4 күн бұрын
ORRRRRR, you could just do a simple web search and find it on numerous locations
@sourdface
@sourdface 5 күн бұрын
"Baby Googles" sounds like it belongs in the same class as "Coco Melon" style of children's entertainment
@iiisaac1312
@iiisaac1312 5 күн бұрын
A long time ago, the Bell System basically had a monopoly on the phone system. When they were broken up in 1982, the smaller companies were called "Baby Bells"
@sourdface
@sourdface 4 күн бұрын
@iiisaac1312 Baby Bel is also a cheese
@renderlessgames
@renderlessgames 4 күн бұрын
Aka colorful, mindless garbage
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 4 күн бұрын
@@iiisaac1312yeah ATT and Verizon used to be apart of Bell Atlantic
@KAZVorpal
@KAZVorpal 4 күн бұрын
That is a stupid, empty gesture. Which is why they're doing it. This is essentially sweeping the problem under the rug. It's a fucking open source project. Make them sell off YuckTub. Make them sell off Gmail.
@tiagotiagot
@tiagotiagot 5 күн бұрын
Imagine if somehow the EFF or the Tor Project ends up buying it...
@lesath7883
@lesath7883 5 күн бұрын
THAT would be awesome. Do they have the resources for that?
@tuckersguitarfiasco
@tuckersguitarfiasco 5 күн бұрын
dude that would be so cool
@etziowingeler3173
@etziowingeler3173 5 күн бұрын
lol no
@distorted_heavy
@distorted_heavy 4 күн бұрын
Tor Project? Bro
@DxBlack
@DxBlack 4 күн бұрын
They CLEARLY don't have the money for it.
@AFistfulOf4K
@AFistfulOf4K 5 күн бұрын
Wow, imagine Android or Chrome if its developers' goal was to make them function better instead of just integrate as much Google dogshit as possible
@chaos.corner
@chaos.corner 4 күн бұрын
I knew things were on the downturn when they started moving functionality out of the open part of the OS and into the proprietary Play Services.
@ddoumeche
@ddoumeche 4 күн бұрын
it's extremely hard and expensive to build an embeddable browser engine, and if Mozilla foundation had done a decent work with their browser, developers would use inside their programs. But no, they preferred to concentrate on failed projets like Firefox Os, discontinuing embeddable Gecko and layoff their browser team Now Servo is a project of the Linux foundation
@floppa9415
@floppa9415 4 күн бұрын
unless they are run by the mother of all nonprofits I don't see how splitting them off from Google would do anything but significantly hurt these Projects. Android and Chrome by themselves do not need to make any money but if they were owned by another smaller company they most certainly would. Then the big enshitification would happen.
@addmix
@addmix 5 күн бұрын
I think that KZbin must also be separated from google.
@chudchadanstud
@chudchadanstud 4 күн бұрын
Google isn't the problem with KZbin. It's management and legacy media.
@dantenotavailable
@dantenotavailable 4 күн бұрын
I have a feeling that forcing KZbin to pay market rates for bandwidth and storage would certainly take a huge bite out of the pie remaining for ad revenue sharing.
@julianbruns7459
@julianbruns7459 4 күн бұрын
Google have abused their ownership of chrome to maintain their search monopoly. Have they done something similar with youtube?
@Black_Cat_997
@Black_Cat_997 3 күн бұрын
We need people like you to stop "thinking" so poorly.
@addmix
@addmix 3 күн бұрын
@@Black_Cat_997 womp womp
@loki42dnd
@loki42dnd 4 күн бұрын
I wonder how many pieces of Google could survive without Ad-sense cash subsidies.
@TheAllSeeingIan
@TheAllSeeingIan 5 күн бұрын
But is independent Chrome really a business proposition? It only works because it’s a part of Google’s strategy. Who would buy it and how would they make money, given the Firefox situation with loss of the Google revenue for search defaults? Microsoft or Apple?
@vytah
@vytah 4 күн бұрын
If someone buys it and slows down development so that the competition can catch up, then it'd be nice
@DxBlack
@DxBlack 5 күн бұрын
Mozilla: "IF ONLY I WEREN'T POOR!"
@renderlessgames
@renderlessgames 4 күн бұрын
Mozilla should have gotten that Ukraine Israel money tbh
@spiritofstar
@spiritofstar 4 күн бұрын
@@renderlessgameswhat? Why and how would that even happen?
@KAZVorpal
@KAZVorpal 4 күн бұрын
Mozilla: "If only I didn't suck." Firefox: "If only I weren't woke bloatware."
@pyrioncelendil
@pyrioncelendil 4 күн бұрын
Mozilla's being kept afloat by the goddamn Soros Foundation. They've got the backing of a billionaire and still they somehow manage to be poor.
@nicoleking772
@nicoleking772 4 күн бұрын
Mozilla: IF ONLY you weren't so woke
@ILoveFreeBSD
@ILoveFreeBSD 5 күн бұрын
So when are we going to see the breakup of microsoft, amazon, every single US ISP, etc. ?
@nandoflorestan
@nandoflorestan 4 күн бұрын
Let us also not forget Adobe and Apple in that list...
@pyrioncelendil
@pyrioncelendil 4 күн бұрын
The cable ISPs, yeah, they deserve some comeuppance.
@ApoMaTu3aTop
@ApoMaTu3aTop 5 күн бұрын
To whom it is going to sell it to though?
@User9681e
@User9681e 5 күн бұрын
Microsoft probably wants a share of the pie
@lesath7883
@lesath7883 5 күн бұрын
Well, splitting stuff does not necessarily means selling it. Selling is one way, though.
@vytah
@vytah 5 күн бұрын
Elon
@pyrioncelendil
@pyrioncelendil 4 күн бұрын
@@User9681e Microsoft wouldn't benefit from buying it. Edge is already a Chromium fork, and it costs them basically nothing.
@MoeE3999
@MoeE3999 3 күн бұрын
​@@pyrioncelendilyes they would benefit. They would own the most used browser so they can do whatever they want with it to their advantage
@Joshua-pr9vg
@Joshua-pr9vg 5 күн бұрын
This is good. We need more of this.
@DivergentDroid
@DivergentDroid 5 күн бұрын
That's not a slap on the wrist or even a band aid. I think splitting these companies up is a sly way of creating Two monopolies out of one.
@pluto8404
@pluto8404 5 күн бұрын
duopoly is the term I think youre looking for.
@justanothercomment416
@justanothercomment416 5 күн бұрын
@@pluto8404 Federally, it's not considered competition unless there are three or more options available.
@pluto8404
@pluto8404 5 күн бұрын
​@justanothercomment416 ironic since our elections only have 2 real options.
@SenileOtaku
@SenileOtaku 5 күн бұрын
@@pluto8404 Well, start voting third-party then. The Libertarian Party would welcome you.
@MCNOISE666
@MCNOISE666 5 күн бұрын
RESIDENTS❤
@dalulu418
@dalulu418 5 күн бұрын
Splitting it up has no bearing on the problem with the monopoly Google holds. That's how the biggest companies conserve their power over decades. They need to rebrand and conceal their identity through various companies to remain under the radar. The same was true for the Rockefeller Foundation roughly a hundred years ago. Today, very few people even know its name, but its power and influence in the market remain significant.
@coenraadloubser5768
@coenraadloubser5768 5 күн бұрын
Has there been any ruling of this scale since Microsoft was forced to do this in 2000? ... And didn't that ruling pave the way to the vibrant tech sector we have today? ... Would Google even have been what it is today, if not for that ruling?...
@nephatrine
@nephatrine 5 күн бұрын
Microsoft wasn't forced to sell off IE, though, just stop forcing it on users. Penalizing companies for doing monopolistic things seems very different to me than penalizing them for having a product be too successful. Forcing google to stop making deals to be default search would make sense, forcing it to sell chrome would not.
@AndRei-yc3ti
@AndRei-yc3ti 5 күн бұрын
​@@nephatrine its not being penalized for being too successful. Its penalized for its anticompetotive practices
@justanothercomment416
@justanothercomment416 5 күн бұрын
@@nephatrine They steered Firefox into the ditch so they could have a successful monopoly with Chrome.
@AndRei-yc3ti
@AndRei-yc3ti 5 күн бұрын
@Tyneras google did many anticompetitive things to force people to adopt chrome and destroy the competition
@sqlexp
@sqlexp 5 күн бұрын
​@@justanothercomment416Mozilla dares not improve Firefox to surpass Chrome and risk angering its money lord. Instead, Mozilla just keeps Firefox mediocre and sabotages all features that can increase market share.
@Amipotsophspond
@Amipotsophspond 5 күн бұрын
chrome with 90% market share is still a monopoly, and android with 60% market share is also still a monopoly. it's just not chrome and android, together.
@vytah
@vytah 4 күн бұрын
It's still progress. Right now, Chrome is designed to serve Google's interests, not the users'. The whole manifest v3, Google deliberately slowing websites on Firefox, or making some website features work only on Chrome, and so on
@cbdp
@cbdp 5 күн бұрын
Will be interesting to see how this goes, but I won't celebrate until I know it turns out.
@alphago9397
@alphago9397 5 күн бұрын
.. I wonder what will become of Google's data centers with suspiciously high (practically military-grade) security ..? 🤔
@ФеофанЭтополедолжнобытьзаполне
@ФеофанЭтополедолжнобытьзаполне 5 күн бұрын
I wonder if they have the balls to split into 33 new companies named from A to Z.
@StrawberryKitten
@StrawberryKitten 5 күн бұрын
33???
@asdfhjoaijfosdfhkasjnkaa
@asdfhjoaijfosdfhkasjnkaa 5 күн бұрын
В английском алфавите 26 букв?
@ФеофанЭтополедолжнобытьзаполне
@ФеофанЭтополедолжнобытьзаполне 4 күн бұрын
@@StrawberryKitten aw, sheet. Russian spy exposed himself on account of alphabetical differences. Classic 🤭
@ejolite
@ejolite 5 күн бұрын
And who's going to finance Chrome? Why would anyone buy the company?
@pyrioncelendil
@pyrioncelendil 4 күн бұрын
Considering Chromium is an open-source project, Chrome is literally nothing more than an icon and some customized UI elements. There's basically nothing for anyone to actually buy.
@sakalava47
@sakalava47 5 күн бұрын
It would be funny if Yahoo bought it.
@bobclarke5913
@bobclarke5913 5 күн бұрын
Yahoo still exists?
@kenabi
@kenabi 5 күн бұрын
@@bobclarke5913 barely. pretty big in japan still though, from what i've seen.
@lesath7883
@lesath7883 5 күн бұрын
That would be epic. "You know we declined your proposal years ago......"
@TehKarmalizer
@TehKarmalizer 5 күн бұрын
@@bobclarke5913 it’s where boomers get their internet news and recipes when they aren’t on Facebook.
@donaldbaird7849
@donaldbaird7849 4 күн бұрын
​@@bobclarke5913 Yeah. Current day idk what they do, but Ik they fund a few Linux distros.
@dantenotavailable
@dantenotavailable 4 күн бұрын
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Google would suggest shelling chrome out into a separate entity. They may however try to pull a sneaky and maintain de facto control over the chromium project. As you mentioned, there's a goodly number of browsers out there, most of them are Chromiums (particularly when Firefox becomes volunteer only). The reason that Google went into the browser business to begin with is because there was a risk that MS and Apple would block them from the advertising game entirely.
@pyrioncelendil
@pyrioncelendil 4 күн бұрын
Particularly as all Chrome really is is an icon and some UI elements slathered atop Chromium. All Google actually loses is brand recognition.
@Techsupport243
@Techsupport243 5 күн бұрын
Need to completely separate every aspect of Google.
@donaldturnbull
@donaldturnbull 5 күн бұрын
What does this mean for Chomebook?
@paxcoder
@paxcoder 5 күн бұрын
I heard today that ChromeOS is already being replaced by Android. Not saying it's related.
@No-mq5lw
@No-mq5lw 5 күн бұрын
100% going with the Chrome web browser
@JodyBruchon
@JodyBruchon 5 күн бұрын
@@donaldturnbull it means buy a real computer.
@sqlexp
@sqlexp 5 күн бұрын
It will be replaced with Pixel book or Pixel laptop, whichever name they choose, running Android.
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 5 күн бұрын
It’s being killed off
@seancollins9745
@seancollins9745 5 күн бұрын
They need to split KZbin and search apart
@SenileOtaku
@SenileOtaku 5 күн бұрын
Would probably have to be bought by some company like IBM or (barf) Oracle.
@gblargg
@gblargg 4 күн бұрын
Does that mean that Chrome might eventually be developed to cater to users rather than advertisers? Imagine a browser that improves its plugin interface to make ad blocking easier, not harder. I might actually try it on desktop if this happens.
@cccpkingu
@cccpkingu 4 күн бұрын
Chrome getting sold and FF revenue halting sounds like a win-win.
@SierraSierraFoxtrot
@SierraSierraFoxtrot 21 сағат бұрын
I can't believe Google was a monopoly the whole time! I did not see this twist coming...
@TheJimNicholson
@TheJimNicholson 5 күн бұрын
After 40+ years of working in IT, I've learned that the only thing more stupid than tech company leadership is the Department of Justice.
@Anonymous-e7t3w
@Anonymous-e7t3w 5 күн бұрын
This guy gets it.
@pyrioncelendil
@pyrioncelendil 4 күн бұрын
Yeah I could totally see the DoJ slicing Chromium off and selling it to, say, Oracle. And nobody would doubt the veracity of the above claim.
@Harry_Tick
@Harry_Tick 5 күн бұрын
So they gonna have to let KZbin go too? Force google to stay in the search engine market?
@OctagonalSquare
@OctagonalSquare 4 күн бұрын
Imagine if they were forced to split off their ad department.
@kissmiasma95
@kissmiasma95 5 күн бұрын
I hope they're forced to sell off TTS because voice typing on Android is virtually useless at this point. It worked very well about 5 years ago. Just another example of Google's adoption of a product/service causing enshitification soon after the fact.
@VeryBratty
@VeryBratty 5 күн бұрын
holy yes take android away from google
@CRYPTiCEXiLE
@CRYPTiCEXiLE 5 күн бұрын
dude u realize thats not a good idea
@georgeokello8620
@georgeokello8620 5 күн бұрын
@@CRYPTiCEXiLEAndroid is currently very bloated and it needs to be redone
@taaest-xek
@taaest-xek 5 күн бұрын
@@CRYPTiCEXiLE They are dumb what do you expect ...
@SenileOtaku
@SenileOtaku 5 күн бұрын
What we need is for cellphone manufactures to UNLOCK their bootloaders. They definitely should have to provide unlocking tools the moment any device goes out of support.
@VeryBratty
@VeryBratty 5 күн бұрын
@@taaest-xek they? who's they?
@msromike123
@msromike123 4 күн бұрын
No final decision has been made. The case is still ongoing. So, "Google Must Sell Off Chrome" not yet. As far as Android, the potential remedies have been changes to Play store, not forcing a sale of Android.
@unter1103
@unter1103 5 күн бұрын
finally but i still dont like chrome
@moetocafe
@moetocafe 4 күн бұрын
If they brake up Ggl into small companies, this has the potential to fix a lot of the stagnation in the IT industry and become a stimulus for new and interesting development.
@SierraSierraFoxtrot
@SierraSierraFoxtrot 21 сағат бұрын
What would you do if you knew your critical product will not be yours in 1-2 years? How would you mitigate the damage?
@yahm0n
@yahm0n 3 күн бұрын
Manifest V3 was the straw that broke the camel's back.
@BlueDolphinBlues
@BlueDolphinBlues Сағат бұрын
How is this going to affect the quality of the chrome browser?
@justfellover
@justfellover 5 күн бұрын
Awesome. When do I get degoogled chrome?
@MinePossu
@MinePossu 4 күн бұрын
When microsoft acquires it. ❤
@pyrioncelendil
@pyrioncelendil 4 күн бұрын
When you go download the basic Chromium browser, or any other browser based on Chromium.
@nilkonom
@nilkonom 4 күн бұрын
there is literally a browser called ungoogled-chromium
@samuellourenco1050
@samuellourenco1050 5 күн бұрын
Now, the billion dollar question is: who wants to buy a problematic browser that is riddled with issues?
@loganmedia4401
@loganmedia4401 4 күн бұрын
Make Alphabet pay someone to take it.
@Demopans5990
@Demopans5990 4 күн бұрын
Open source the entirety of Chrome
@eternal864
@eternal864 4 күн бұрын
Ultimately, this may or may not affect google's revenue, but hardly anything changes for the people.
@gurupartapkhalsa6565
@gurupartapkhalsa6565 3 күн бұрын
While my knee-jerk reaction to this is, "Who is John Gald?" After it sunk in for a while I was left thinking that Chrome is really the produce of a collective, there is no true claimant.
@WilliamAshleyOnline
@WilliamAshleyOnline 4 күн бұрын
doesn't microsoft basically have the same model though with Edge? just personally for being targetted ads I havn't seen anything I like, so something isn't right. imo it is more about tracking and profiling people the ad stuff is just a cover for the data gathering.
@kenwood7195
@kenwood7195 4 күн бұрын
Now the DOJ should look at the way Apple uses its iphone and server tech to provide Apple only messaging features.
@pyrioncelendil
@pyrioncelendil 4 күн бұрын
Would only be fair if Apple had to divest itself of its entire walled garden. That would be an order of magnitude more hilarious than this.
@SomeRandomDeveloper
@SomeRandomDeveloper 5 күн бұрын
It's not just Google who are a monopoly, what about Microsoft and them constantly forcing Edge, this now can't be uninstalled without a lot of hassle. Apple are just as bad.
@ivolol
@ivolol 2 күн бұрын
The scariest part of this is I don't know what large, competent private entity I even trust more than Google to run chrome/chromium the project.
@turtlefrog369
@turtlefrog369 5 күн бұрын
buying chrome makes no sense, when anyone could make a patchset against chromium already. Chrome is just a google patchset on top of chromium. unless someone wants to buy all of chromeOS of course. But still does not make sense in my head. Microsoft should also be forced to sell Edge then. It just seems like they want to prevent youtube from being sold.
@bigppbigproblems
@bigppbigproblems 5 күн бұрын
Google should be forced to sell KZbin and Android at the very least
@magicalnoodles
@magicalnoodles 5 күн бұрын
Google would be very happy to sell off KZbin. It's a massive money sink that relies on ad revenue and data collection to barely exist. It's only very recently that KZbin has brought any profit. I'm curious if anyone is actually willing to even buy YT
@innovationsanonymous8841
@innovationsanonymous8841 5 күн бұрын
Make KZbin great again
@nixielee
@nixielee 4 күн бұрын
I have a hard time seeing how this would matter at all. You do a company split to raise value of both companies, not lower it.
@xwize
@xwize 4 күн бұрын
How can Microsoft be allowed to keep edge?
@etmax1
@etmax1 4 күн бұрын
The reason why Chrome is so dominant is because Google has done a Microsoft where they've created proprietary web interface extensions that Mozilla and others don't support such that there dominance is assured and expanding IMHO.
@floppa9415
@floppa9415 4 күн бұрын
Its not like Firefox doesn't have their own "extensions" or quirks as well. Everyone who has worked with CSS knows there are half a half a dozen -moz prefixed css properties. Also many of Chromium's "exclusive" features like WebUSB or WebNFC are officially accepted W3C Specs that Firefox and Safari just don't implement for some reason. Problem is that for most product managers "Chromium only" is good enough because it is the de-facto standard, especially on Desktop.
@renderlessgames
@renderlessgames 4 күн бұрын
And KZbin...
@SmaugMedia
@SmaugMedia 4 күн бұрын
chrome??? wtf how tf they going to make any money chrome is basically just the chromium project which everyone else uses? except firefox
@utfigyii5987
@utfigyii5987 4 күн бұрын
They can control how web is browsed which in turn returns as income from data and ads. For example, manifest v3. They just killed off adblocking, making more google ads visible.
@runderwo
@runderwo 4 күн бұрын
You need to frame in a previous video where you're framing yourself in, for a more maximal Hall of Lundukes effect.
@ConfidentialMeerkat
@ConfidentialMeerkat 4 күн бұрын
OK, but they will just set up an entire new company that they still have control over. Appoint someone who worked or part-time works for them and will then set up a partnership so they can share the information. It will be like the uks BT and OPENREACH conundrum all over again, and i'm sure there are many more examples.
@BharatK169
@BharatK169 5 күн бұрын
I think they might sell gmail and google drive
@hanselito2416
@hanselito2416 19 сағат бұрын
I just want google to take users' privacy more seriously than consumers wishes. Very sketchy business.
@sillonbono3196
@sillonbono3196 5 күн бұрын
As much as google is bad I do not think breaking them will improve anything, forcing them to comply with open standards would be a much better outcome.
@Joshua-pr9vg
@Joshua-pr9vg 5 күн бұрын
It is a step...
@emptylog933
@emptylog933 5 күн бұрын
They do comply with open standards though. Really well in fact. A lot of nonstandard browser specific cruft had to be included for interoperability early on, but that is slowly getting phased out since those old browsers and sites don't exist anymore. What they actually do is use their position to advocate for new standards, but if the other players don't play ball, then there is really nothing Google can do about it.
@Pengochan
@Pengochan 5 күн бұрын
google no longer in possession of android, wouldn't that free android from the google store to some extent?
@emptylog933
@emptylog933 5 күн бұрын
They said Android, not Google Play. Very different things. Android is the AOSP project that is currently free and open-source. In other words, a money sink.
@Pengochan
@Pengochan 4 күн бұрын
@@emptylog933 Well the question is, what it would mean that google has to give up / reduce its control over android. I don't think it's a good thing, that one company has control over the software (realistically) available on most android devices. It allows a form of censoring.
@VictoriaBritish47
@VictoriaBritish47 14 сағат бұрын
​@@Pengochanexactly what Google says and this would hurt the Market being realistic nobody will want to create a company in the USA from the protection of the company and Japan doesn't kill themselves in the technology area but America does
@JodyBruchon
@JodyBruchon 5 күн бұрын
Friendly reminder that regardless of this, the Chromium monoculture is a very bad thing and you should use Firefox-based forks only to combat it. No Brave, Edge, or Opera.
@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks
@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks 5 күн бұрын
or... you can encourage brave to hard fork chromium...
@averdadeeumaso4003
@averdadeeumaso4003 5 күн бұрын
Eh not every site works with every browser type, Brave + LibreWolf seem to be the best fork of each base currently
@manitoba-op4jx
@manitoba-op4jx 5 күн бұрын
i have been saying this for 10 years, and i think you have, too
@JodyBruchon
@JodyBruchon 5 күн бұрын
@@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks No, do you just not understand what a monoculture is?
@omargodinez7256
@omargodinez7256 5 күн бұрын
you should also fit your car with square wheels to combat the dominance of round wheels monoculture
@Brickcaster
@Brickcaster 5 күн бұрын
Good. Google is too big.
@thalateye
@thalateye 5 күн бұрын
100%... Google can be just a search engine. You know... like how it should be.
@jaysonrees738
@jaysonrees738 5 күн бұрын
@@thalateye Google was never just a search engine.
@eddielopez5708
@eddielopez5708 2 күн бұрын
What ever the outcome, Mozilla should get 10% of the stock if it want to survive.
@Harry_Tick
@Harry_Tick 5 күн бұрын
Never underestimat Google or Kammy's ability to blow it. In the end. They all follow the ring into the fire.
@marna_li
@marna_li 4 күн бұрын
I don't want the government to rule what is a monopoly, but given that they themselves create monopoly situations without admitting to it - by hiring the first and "best" company, government contract, and giving them a lot of money. The market is not fair because of this.
@dustinmiller2775
@dustinmiller2775 3 күн бұрын
They get to keep Adreno, though? 🤨
@minakatahizuru
@minakatahizuru 5 күн бұрын
I use Bing
@innovationsanonymous8841
@innovationsanonymous8841 5 күн бұрын
Bing was best for image search, last I checked
@pyrioncelendil
@pyrioncelendil 4 күн бұрын
My condolences.
@GarrethandPipa
@GarrethandPipa 4 күн бұрын
Googles BIG money comes from the search engine ad revenue. chrome is how it gets the personal browsing data it sells
@sandpaper4483
@sandpaper4483 Сағат бұрын
Wasn't that lawsuit supposed to happen in 2001
@Some_Tired_Person
@Some_Tired_Person 4 күн бұрын
...And I just bought a chromebook. Is that going to become useless now? Ain't going back to Microsoft.
@Free_kitty0
@Free_kitty0 3 күн бұрын
Nothing is permanent.
@juandig
@juandig 4 күн бұрын
I don't see how Chrome is the majority of Google's income. Wouldn't it be more like the search engine that displays the ads and gets the search data which runs on most browsers by default? Or perhaps Google AdSense which is... Ads... For most websites these days
@UbuntuPersonNoMint
@UbuntuPersonNoMint 5 күн бұрын
As a chrome fan I hope this doesnt screw me over in anyway.
@vaikjsf34a
@vaikjsf34a 4 күн бұрын
I hope KZbin is broken off too, either that, or break off everything else - chrome, android, etc. But I think they should be fair, and break apart Microsoft too.
@AnIndepentThinker
@AnIndepentThinker 3 күн бұрын
This would be awesome!
@harminparra7678
@harminparra7678 4 күн бұрын
Why Microsoft wasn't forced to split up back in the 90's ?
@pyrioncelendil
@pyrioncelendil 4 күн бұрын
Because the antitrust investigation persisted across the change of a Presidential administration. Dubya basically ensured that Microsoft got off with a slap on the wrist.
@loganmedia4401
@loganmedia4401 3 күн бұрын
Corrupt government.
@howardstern9764
@howardstern9764 Күн бұрын
Blackrock is also a monopoly
@Srootus
@Srootus 4 күн бұрын
You just know Microsoft aee drooling over this
@timhill6440
@timhill6440 5 күн бұрын
Lee-Ann Mulholland is right
@lenOwOo
@lenOwOo 4 күн бұрын
If it's actually going throu, i wonder wha'ts business model chrome and android company would have.
@haniqassim
@haniqassim 5 күн бұрын
Google is a supply company with its web search and consumer company with its browser. Owning supply and demand is a clear monopoly. The split should’ve been done long ago.
@Juttutin
@Juttutin 5 күн бұрын
How would a company monetise Chrome. It's not chrome that does ad-insertion it's the websites.
@AlucardNoir
@AlucardNoir 4 күн бұрын
It's nice to have some good news for once.
@helmargesel3972
@helmargesel3972 5 күн бұрын
Thanks for the good news 👍 👏
@user-qr4jf4tv2x
@user-qr4jf4tv2x 5 күн бұрын
just make sure google parts don't get sold to the Chinese or will get more breaches
@MastermindAtWork
@MastermindAtWork 5 күн бұрын
Is this the main reason why they're trying to fuse ChromeOS with Android? I mean sure, I'm all for the move but I hope this doesn't take away what little customization ChromeOS had like being able to use Linux to use some something other than Vanilla Google Chrome.
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 5 күн бұрын
They are actually planning to sunset it The web browser will probably be next
@erb34
@erb34 4 күн бұрын
Maybe Tencent could buy it.
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