Linux Code of Conduct Board Blocks File System Changes

A code change for new bcachefs features is being blocked not for technical reasons... but a CoC dispute. Seriously.
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[@mrsentinel4911]

CoC-Block

[@engineeranonymous]

🤣

[@donaldturnbull]

😂

[@msromike123]

LMAO

[@Mark-wq7wd]

Beat me to it😂😂😂

[@lowlevelretro]

Chefs kiss lol

[@epithos]

Windows 11 is so bad Linux had to find new ways to maintain minority market share.

[@daedalus547]

Windows 11 is fine, I've been running it for weeks.

[@gwoodlogger4068]

Ha Ha 😊

[@oraz.]

Windows 11 is actually quite good now people that say it's bad are just parroting.

[@TheBastardCommie]

​@@oraz.They got rid of the telemetry?

[@tvojejbabkydedko]

@@daedalus547 try running it for longer than a year

[@20x20]

isn't it crazy what happens when one starts "noticing patterns"?

[@cleanpixelno]

Oooooh yeah!!!

[@pajeetsingh]

Shut it down

[@Mark-sd4hv]

HUMANS DIDN'T EVOLVE TO RECOGNIZE PATTERNS BIGOT

[@lemonheins2720]

if you could be more explicit in what patterns and their subjects you're referring to that would be great.

[@TheNoirKamui]

Noticers are disliked

[@sergrojGrayFace]

You're ignoring the history of interactions between Linus and Bcachefs guy where Linus warned him Bcachefs could be removed from the kernel because he didn't test it on some unusual machines and it crashed on them. Naturally, Linus also violated CoC in that conversation AFAIR.

[@WorldsBestCommunist]

This video basically ignores everything and takes Kent's claims at face value.

[@TehVulpes]

CoCs were never intended to be applied uniformly. They’re just a cynical tool of power, something to point to for people who are otherwise too spineless to just admit they’re banning you because they don’t like you.

[@No-mq5lw]

Linus violating CoC when he's very explicitly stated he's completely done with the bcachefs guy's conduct, and the guy further continues to antagonize Linus?

[@BrianThorne]

Yeah so crazy. Can we up vote this

[@defeqel6537]

wasn't it failing on all Big Endian machines, or do I remember incorrectly?

[@devnom9143]

This is unsurprising to anyone who has paid an attention to recent news around Linux File Systems, the guy behind bcacheFS has repeatedly not adhered to proper commit windows, he tried to merge features in a fix only window commit window, & has even merged in broken code; It got to the point where Linus said he was considering dropping bcacheFS from the mainline kernel; This is not merely 'Code of Conduct' violations & it is *highly misleading & false to claim that it is merely 'Code of Conduct' that is blocking bcacheFS*

[@handfuloffrogs]

the truth about why that happened doesn't make for a good ragebait. saying THE WOKE COC is to blame, does.

[@churipputori9087]

@@jameschalkwig787 back in my day bait used to be believable

[@angelos9800]

@@jameschalkwig787 did you read the comment youre commenting on?

[@davidmartensson273]

I read the same, if the developer behind the code cannot be trusted because they openly disregard agreed upon rules, then the code cannot be trusted unless someone else takes ownership and responsibility for it. Sure the code might be good right now, but there is a reason for the rules. I do not know id this video is a "part statement" from the group supporting the dev, or if its just plain click bait, find a contested topic and make a spin on it.

[@helbert2a]

If he has indeed committed such more technical flaws, he should have been disciplined for that and not for using "inappropriate language".

[@kevalan1042]

I think the real issue was about the stability of Bcachefs, and how Linus thought the dev was behaving unprofessionally by pushing large and unthoroughly tested changes

[@ThisIsSparta-k2m]

It is. But this 30 minute slag completely ignored this.

[@j_stach]

Fringe filesystems don't belong in the mainstream kernel. Tired of Bcachefs drama, just kick it already

[@netkv]

@@j_stach there are way more fringe filesystems in kernel, it isn't issue as long as you dont overcomplicate it like bcachefs nilfs2 comes to mind for example, or jfs whatever it was

[@jasoncravens1124]

If this was so true, this is what would be said. Why would you need some superficial excuse if this was the case?

[@kevalan1042]

@@jasoncravens1124 agreed, the CoC stuff is stupid, but this video should have contained this background info as to why the Bcachefs dev is in bad graces

[@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430]

Question : if microsoft, whose currently trying to shove some *very* unpopular, much spooky, "features", on it's customers by the way, actually was contracting a certain group of people with a certain color hair, with the deliberate intention of sabotaging their open source competition, what would change?

[@Psychx_]

Kent refuses to submit work at the designated time frames (i.e. trying to push major changes during maintenance releases or RCs, instead of linux-next) and then gets mad about being told that this isn't OK, as large changes that late in the kernel's release cycle wouldn't see the same amount of testing by others, potentially delay the release cycle if errors pop up, or may compromise stability or break something for end users/distros if they slip through. There were dozens of times, where Kent has been educated about this in good faith, but he didn't change his behavior, started arguing, then insulting others and now even sees a conspiracy in not getting his way. The subsystem maintainers and Linus are sick and tired of the massive time sink that these arguments have become. If he doesn't learn to follow the rules and behave in a way that facilitates teamwork with a minimum amount of unnecessary friction, he has to go.

[@justicegaming1412]

This is why a "code of conduct board" shouldn't exist. Either he should be able to submit patches to the kernel or he shouldn't. This limbo status is ridiculous. Abolish the CoC, abolish the CoC board, and get actual work done. I read through the thread a bit earlier today. It reminds me of when I recently went back and read the thread in the old BSD days with Theo de Raadt which eventually lead to OpenBSD forking off and becoming the actual best BSD distribution. The foot-dragging and politics being played is very similar to how that went down.

[@atticusherodes6648]

remember when terms of service was good nough, i had an incident with one of the linuxes who soesnt have a COC< i lubuntu at thetime, i was dscussing an issue, i upedated my lubunto to thelatest stable version and suddeny my computer would lock up refuse to upddate, and pretty much killed my Python IDE, so as i was discussing the issues, half way through, smome guy butted inoff topic, said well you two are being polite, but i see that wee need a COC in here, and that wasnt even the place to talk about it, s i have to learnanew programing language, andd switch to BSD i guess? or React OS lol

[@liukang85]

imagine FreeLinux and how that would make Linux look 😂

[@cmbaz1140]

HOA all over again ...

[@rh906]

Abolish the Linux Foundation.

[@jort93z]

"Either he should be able to submit patches to the kernel or he shouldn't", well, suppose he isn't now until he adheres to the CoC, its not really a limbo.

[@rhone733]

Why does software need a CoC? What a joke.

[@sciencedaemon]

It is the only way commies can take control and ruin freedom.

[@tf5pZ9H5vcAdBp]

Because two generations of youths have been trained as activists instead of developers and the only way they can stay valuable is by creating these problems and then by being the solution.

[@kenabi]

welcome to open source communism, and all forks of it. same old playbook.

[@kill95]

​@@tf5pZ9H5vcAdBp 30 years of boomers acting like children too

[@jannevellamo]

Because it's needed for a CIA takeover of Linux. Every other OS already has a bunch of CIA backdoors built in, only Linux remains.

[@LeviathanWebWorks]

I think the conduct being looked into is the repeat lack of testing that results in wasted time after a merge when nothing compiles because someone didn't do the bare minimum testing.

[@davidgood840]

The situation is not best described as "nuts" , rather "no nuts" seems to capture it best .

[@fdsphone6854]

-never considered that- seems pretty obvious the blue dye is toxic. it has seeped into their brains

[@lateralrook]

Man, that's NUTS!

[@katzenwerfer]

Oh, rest assured, they have nuts

[@man_at_the_end_of_time]

​@@katzenwerfer They have soy beans.

[@tomorrow6]

Did they remove their nuts?

[@ironickeyboard5092]

Leading to the question, how do we get rid of the CoC Board?

[@EstraNiato]

We fund their transition ?

[@skipperbentdk]

Stop the sales of hormones and the problem will fix itself

[@termitori]

fork

[@manitoba-op4jx]

scissors

[@EstraNiato]

@@manitoba-op4jx CoC paper scissors

[@calebshingledecker3610]

I have been somewhat following the bcachefs drama for a bit and an not surprised that a commit got blocked, but going after Kent for CoC is ridiculous. The fact that they are currently discriminating against anyone who happened to be born in Russia makes it even more ridiculous.

[@KertaDrake]

The whole Russia block thing is unfortunately a legal issue, unless everyone involved wants slammed for circumventing sanctions.

[@mineinmonkey9787]

It's not ridiculous, they HAVE to block Russian devs. It's a legal thing.

[@_PatrickO]

Born? I would expect them to block people working from inside russia since the entire free world is sanctioning russia.

[@eng3d]

​@@KertaDrakerussian but not Chinese. i.e a circumvent circus 🤡

[@justanothercomment416]

@@KertaDrake There exists no legal basis. The EO literally only applies to government. It is ZERO bearing on the linux kernel. None. Zero.

[@GalvayraPHX]

Ah yes, safety...security..Won't someone think of the children...that are in the kernel mailing list...Do I need to make a backup of the kernel code before public access is cut off - you know, for safety?

[@TheTransporter007]

"Shame if you weren't around anymore" is a direct threat to someone's "status of being alive."

[@cleanpixelno]

Communism is always a direct threat to anyone and anything alive.

[@colinjohnson5515]

Not in this context yo. Dude was implying he’d be remove from kernel devs.

[@korana6308]

Yep. By the very definition that's terrorism. Instigating fear for just merely existing, is terrorism.

[@TheTransporter007]

@@colinjohnson5515 *I* know what the dude meant, but still, courts in the US will gleefully disagree with you.

[@akam9919]

@@TheTransporter007 Depends on the judge, but, honestly, I don't see it applying here. It could just as easily be interpreted as extortion or threatening his position/standing in the community, not his life.

[@CRCinAU]

tl;dr: Developer doesn't play well with others, screws up norms again, and again, and again, and again - then acts shocked when his stuff starts getting rejected after multiple warnings...

[@thegamerchannel3660]

Looks like even linux is going corporate now.

[@BrianCroweAcolyte]

When rules aren't enforced evenly and by the letter, they're not rules they're weapons.

[@kodekata]

This is the reason for the Schmittian formula, sovereign is he who makes the exception. Power is revealed by the exceptional cases. These determinations will be in favor of the friends of power, and against its enemies. Cheers 🍻

[@stop_tryharding]

The entire reason this drama happened is precisely because rules were being enforced evenly and by the letter, but Kent thinks he's a special snowflake who doesn't need to follow them.

[@BrianCroweAcolyte]

@@stop_tryharding Why does Linus get to spit fire via emails then?

[@stop_tryharding]

@@BrianCroweAcolyte Maybe the fact that there wouldn't even be Linux if it weren't for him has something to do with that. But I wasn't talking about 'spitting fire' on the mailing list, I was talking about how Kent seems to think he's entitled to submit code without following correct processes, and when he gets reprimanded for that, instead of acknowledging that he did something wrong and correcting the behavior he doubles down, continues doing it, and acts like an entitled douche on the mailing list. Of course you wouldn't know any of that from watching this video because Lunduke just treats Kent's masturbatory blog post as gospel while providing none of the surrounding context... which is all publicly available but absent because it doesn't fit his clickbaity 'woke CoC bad' narrative. I mean the CoC is a joke and stupid and all of that but that doesn't mean Kent isn't a malignant a**hole who is in love with the smell of his own farts.

[@acex222]

@@BrianCroweAcolyte he hasn't in a long time, since at least 2023.

[@Netist_]

So if you say anything the CoC doesn't like, you have to take part in a public humiliation ritual. How does this contribute to functional and stable software?

[@elterco7]

All K. O. does is waste the time of dozens of grown ups on the Linux project that would otherwise be spending their time productively.

[@CharlesSchaum]

Embrace, extend, extinguish.

[@glenhumphrey8822]

Executive orders are not law.

[@muhdiversity7409]

I'm surprised Kent wasn't given a piece of chalk to write out how naughty he has been on the white board a thousand times.

[@AllanSavolainen]

Hmm, you don't really need to include things that the law or government requires in the CoC. It is automatically assumed that the laws supersede any rules between private parties. The issue in this case for me is that they changed the rules and are applying them to a event that happened in the past, that is very bad precedent.

[@atticusherodes6648]

thats technial being proscecuted for a crime that wasnt considered a crime, kind of like publishing some one for prohibition violations before 1920 before it was illegal

[@johncavanaugh6481]

Lets submit some CoC violations against Linus... This is the beginning of the end, just when we had the opportunity to vastly move forward.

[@angrydachshund]

Look at the German opposition to nuclear. Turns out it was funded by Russia. Whenever you see behavior like this erupt, check your competition...

[@shadowmuted-d4h]

We'll make him submit to our CoC.

[@stolenlaptop]

​@@shadowmuted-d4h make him eat CoC

[@sqlexp]

Linus is the one pushing this block. He is woke.

[@RedPillRachel]

@@sqlexp omg rip penguin folks

[@bass69player]

So we're going to FreeBSD now? Windows --> Linux --> BSD???

[@cccpkingu]

NoHugsBSD had a CoC early.

[@amigalemming]

We need something more modular such that we do not need a central leader to decide what goes in and what not. This way, we could assemble our system from the best components availabe.

[@nephatrine]

@@amigalemming You can already do that. It's trivial to build the kernel nowadays and you can pull in whatever code you want. It's open source so you can assembly things from whatever components you want lol.

[@bass69player]

How about Minix???

[@cleanpixelno]

Absolutely. After using Linux since 98 I started testing BSD a bit a couple of years ago, anticipating this commie trainwreck...

[@pepelemoko9130]

That executive order to ban Russians from GPL projects is such a joke, each time I see a new development for the kernel or a new AI project, all the developers have Chinese names and most the time the email addresses are also from mainland China ... So much for US national security ! 😅😅😅

[@eng3d]

woke agenda first rust nonsense drama. ban Russian because of politics Linus is boycotting Linux

[@DudeSoWin]

Ban France if anything. Holy f** crypto fraud batman.

[@CRCinAU]

You think the kernel is an American development? How cute.

[@rh906]

@@CRCinAU *whoosh*

[@rh906]

Because it has nothing to do with ethics and morals. All the sanctions on China are for show at most since they just watch them bypass them and shrug when not politically convenient. As for the national security element, 5 Eyes and all the alliances tied them them. Everyone else's national security is American national security as well.

[@sciencedaemon]

ReiserFS was in the kernel long before that murder occurred. Now I suspect it can still be used as a module compiled separately, through DKMS. I don't see how code that is useful should be removed due to the character of the person who wrote it. It's not a living being.

[@miao_renfeng]

this

[@hd-bild1513]

Well yeah, but the video doesnt argue that. It uses it to point out how the linux foundation clearly doesnt hold image that dearly and is willing to use code from people who would damage their image if it is beneficial

[@LTPottenger]

ReiserFS actually worked and didn't do weird stuff, though the bad man did do some bad things to contributors.

[@No-mq5lw]

The code might be open source, but the underlying logic and understanding behind them isn't.

[@someguy782]

@@No-mq5lw are they going to spiritually contaminate the linux kernel?

[@mrpocock]

The bcacefs guy refuses to do the minimum to play nice with the Linux development process. Consistently. I'm surprised he hasn't had consequences for actions before now.

[@sirrippovmaple]

To be fair, the bcachefs guy has a history of not following the technical guidelines and has gotten into a flame war with Linus over it. Linus threatened removing bcachefs from the kernel and it looks like this is what is going to happen.

[@SterileNeutrino]

Man the drama is crazy

[@skipperbentdk]

Maybe he once spoke with a Russian troll or failed to memorize the 177 genders

[@ahettinger525]

THIS. The BCFS dev keeps submitting these ridiculous patches that are just unauditable, even during RC freezes. His changes should have been denied and removed from the kernel for that alone.

[@flintfrommother3gaming]

But no, it's the woke people, it has to be!!!1!1

[@MadsterV]

@@flintfrommother3gaming deferring to the CoC board (seriously, that's the name?) is a really bad idea though. Should have been just denied with comments on why and that should be the end of it.

[@nosuchthing8]

Someone is upset they can't introduce backdoors to make more pagers explode

[@Mr.Riojas]

Oh. my. freaking. bleh. What is a Code of Conduct board existing for the linux kernel that has nothing to do with actual coding and being a tongue in check name?! And how is a Code of Conduct member not kicked out for breaking the most basic of codes of conduct: treating others with respect? Actually, by that standard, most CoC board members would be kicked out. I wonder how long before they kick Torvalds out for CoC rule breaks.

[@amigalemming]

I would just ignore that board.

[@kenabi]

such bodies rarely adhere to the rules they require others to. and are rarely held to account for it.

[@Mr.Riojas]

@@amigalemming Hard to ignore when they block updates.

[@pikachulovesketchup666]

Because it's storage for corporate shills. If you need some feature pushed into the project, the pais shills will make sure it's put there.

[@tornadot2025]

Kicking Linus out of his own project is probably the ultimate plan.

[@vaaaaaas]

This WILL get worse so long as you tolerate it. Merely being angry online is tolerance.

[@miller42]

"Coraline"'s CoC is probably one of the worst things to have happened to tech and free software world.

[@nosuchthing8]

If you don't like his rules, why don't you go build your own OS?

[@Drazil100]

Been following the bcachefs drama and it’s about time he got blocked. He conducts himself with a “the rules don’t matter because my needs are important” attitude and he doesn’t seem to care how many other projects he breaks or how much extra work he creates for Linus as long as users of his single project get fixes faster. If he can’t comprehend how important the rules are for managing a project at the scale of the Linux Kernel then he shouldn’t be involved.

[@claireodendron]

They go from "seeking" a public apology to "requiring" a public apology two seconds later.

[@b3stbuddy]

I don't understand, the wrong people are steering the ship. How is this acceptable? Who would allow politics to rule software. Is it possible just to ignore the CoC board complaints and just continue to work? Why not just remove their access and communication on matters. Problem solved. I think it's at that point.

[@naelvandarnus665]

They really should fork Linux.

[@S3NTRY]

Code of Coercion

[@dkosmari]

Remember how quickly X11 imploded? Remember how quickly OpenOffice imploded? Remember how quickly MySQL imploded? We're seeing this again. Who else is excited for GNU HURD?

[@SpookyAlien-2001]

Watch out for Redox

[@phoneywheeze]

what happened with MySQL?

[@dkosmari]

@@phoneywheeze Sun bought MySQL AB. Then Oracle bought Sun, and started rejecting all community contributions. So the community forked it into MariaDB, and Oracle's MySQL was pretty much abandoned by everyone.

[@TyrHeimdal]

@@phoneywheeze Oracle took over and did what Oracle does, so it was forked to MariaDB.

[@Mark-sd4hv]

Wait what happened with MySQL??

[@armatura12441]

It seems that today there is no point to conribute to Linux if you're not getting paid for. Because its not about open source anymore. Corpos want you to work for free.

[@redactado266]

Like if you ever or will ever contribute to the kernel.

[@rosomak8244]

This is already the case since over 20 years.

[@zwerko]

@@jameschalkwig787 The only thing I can think of happening to Linux that is worse than the current state is what you just described.

[@contentsdiffer5958]

@@jameschalkwig787 You're like a kid that figured out that your parents lied to you about Santa, so you ran off to live with the guy in the rusty van, that your parents always warned you about.

[@kodekata]

Good thing it has nothing to do with the surveillance state

[@wozhardy]

It looks as if we may have to fork the entire open source community.. Maybe..

[@DudeSoWin]

Its a Motherboard, because the power of a free people is born of a mother not a community.

[@Flavor_Flav]

I'm just using Windows again.

[@magicalnoodles]

Anyone affiliated with Russia in any capacity was already booted out from the kernel maintainer list. Now, they are pushing out other trusted contributors for no legit reason. There is only one thing that can realistically happen down the line. The Linux Foundation and the CoC have basically sold themselves to companies at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if they even eventually close source the kernel and only sell the final product to companies. So yeah, you're right, there is a strong need to reorganize the open source community. Best case scenario is where we'll have multiple forks being developed independently by different parties, with some parties cooperating on certain major features.

[@DanSkunk]

Go back and finish Hurd?

[@turtlefrog369]

actually. HaikuOS might be the future.

[@kilosierraalpha]

Somebody PLEASE fork Linux already!!! I don't care which corporation/country/organization does it... just please do it and remove all the nonsense. I just want Linux to be the best it can be without all the drama and politics.

[@shadowflash705]

It's forking time! 🍴 But yeah, for real. There's a need for no-BS open source. Where people can just develop the software, leaving forced artificial political BS outside.

[@web]

Just fork it yourself, nothing stops you. Why nobodies always call for other to do the work and then just want to freeload on the work of others. Such commies

[@pavel9652]

How about adults behave like adults and have a civilised conversations on the mailing list while speaking about your favourite software. Do you have an issue with that? Also, if you don't care who forks it, would you use EvilCorp fork?

[@kilosierraalpha]

@@pavel9652 These individuals are not behaving like adults but rather like emotional teenagers.

[@pavel9652]

@@kilosierraalpha So is your emotional and immature comment.

[@EstraNiato]

CoC board sounds painful

[@sciencedaemon]

communism is painful.

[@manitoba-op4jx]

@@sciencedaemon equal distribution of misery

[@atticusherodes6648]

i thin k someof us hwere rasing conscents at least 2011 i think it became noticale in 2014

[@DudeSoWin]

I would love to slave it to my power supply and give it the juice to crashing and beyond.

[@Mahaveez]

May as well be the CBT board.

[@tschak909]

You must understand that all of this is the result of business and investment compliance. It only explains what and why it's happening. It does not make any of this right.

[@cleanpixelno]

Deep state attack.

[@kodekata]

ESG etc.?

[@CrucialFlowResearch]

I've been banned from the Julia language for years now, even though my Julia packages have over 1000 stars combined

[@termitori]

How to control linux , control contributor , how to control contributor, control speech, how to control speech, make rules of speech. This is a politic war on open software

[@pajeetsingh]

I wonder what was hidden in Solomon temple.

[@Sypaka]

"You violated Code of Conduct" "Here is $50.000" "I didn't say anything."

[@floppa9415]

This feels more and more like we are seeing the grand embrace, extent, extinguish plan unfold.

[@dkosmari]

Who's this Shuah Khan that's calling the shots? Her Wikipedia page says all she contributed was LED drivers for Android... talk about diversity hire...

[@edwardcullen1739]

Pure, Maoist nonsense. "Participate in our struggle session or we will prevent you from contributing YOUR OWN TIME WHICH YOU GIVE FOR FREE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE WORLD." This "Shuah Khan" character sounds like the problem, not the solution.

[@korana6308]

Not Maoism. Communism.

[@oraz.]

It's not Maoism or communism you fools. That's why woke is winning because it's opposition is so primitive.

[@RenderingUser]

when "your own time" is breaking changes, we dont want em

[@buddharosa8250]

What a shitshow for Linux..if banning Russian developpers wasn't enough.

[@RoshiGaming]

Honestly, I think Linus is the worst thing happening to Linux in the past few years.

[@sciencedaemon]

He has gone commie.

[@FrankZen]

​@@sciencedaemon ironic considering his stance on Russian developers

[@Rubafix989]

@@sciencedaemon I'm not sure commie means what you think it means. He went woke for sure though which is a US ideology, where it was born and where it thrives

[@timothywcrane]

@@sciencedaemon Corporate Coc sucker is more apt!

[@sciencedaemon]

@@Rubafix989 then you fail to follow where all these ideas are rooted. Who wants to take away free speech? Who benefits from wokies in the US? You are just looking at the surface.

[@StarOnCheek]

Tbh, i agree that a change of climate in the Linux development community would probably turn away less potential contributors, but banning talented people for being who they are hurts users the most in the end

[@DudeSoWin]

My experience communicating with open source projects is that I'm constantly getting gaslighted by roleplaying moderators. They flag you and stalk you and if you demonstrate any IQ above room temperature they perform some retarded ass take down maneuver like a Redditor janny. I hope this comment posts.

[@elterco7]

When one talented developer wastes the time of dozens of other talented developers that could be spending their time more productively, that's a probelem.

[@jannikheidemann3805]

@@elterco7 That wasn't the reason given for the actions taken against the bcachefs dev.

[@zap117]

kent has missmanaged this, if the kernel had to adjust itself to everyone else it would be chaos

[@tngaskell]

Wait, if they're threatening to ban Overstreet over the Code of Conduct, does that mean he's cleaned up his act enough that they can't ban him for not following the patching process?

[@SterileNeutrino]

I will be back after watching my daily "The Duran" political infodump

[@george-stathopoulos]

What do u think about duran? I will go watch some. I had forgot somwhow about them

[@arseniy_viktorovich]

@@george-stathopoulos Guys are legit

[@javaman4584]

I watch them every day but Alexander is becoming unwatchable.

[@arseniy_viktorovich]

@@javaman4584 Mmm... hmmm.... ahmm.... mmmhhhmmm (c)

[@MathUDX]

I wish the Duran would cover these American anti-software sanctions. I know it's somewhat outside of their typical expertise, but this is definitely the kind thing they talk about regularly. Maybe get Lunduke on as a guest actually :)

[@tikabass]

All of this smells like a corporate takeover. That's quite a security risk to private Linux users.

[@bhushanharripersad5716]

This is making Linus less of an alternative to Windows 11.

[@Rai2M]

Or actually more, considering Windows 365 Link.

[@fetch2385]

Not even a little bit.

[@atticusherodes6648]

this close ot going BSD or React OS right now, and you know the reasons but then again I am a writer so i only need a suppoerted Woed processing system that supports or is comaptoibnle with windows and gogles docs, and i am a retro gamer and supports oldd doss amd wwin programs, and is small enough to fit in my agign system.

[@Mark-wq7wd]

Open BSD IS Looking better and better.

[@root_dnb]

BSDs are cool but you are super limited with them and cant get any serious work done...

[@thenameisluk]

are you aware this guy is sending this features out side of release window and isn't any more special than other contributors who are able to cooperate with each other?

[@MadalinIgnisca]

We don’t need bcachefs. Anyone can contribute to current existing ext4 and btrfs. Having too many is already causing confusion to beginners. Fame chasers can build their own kernel if they want.

[@netkv]

ext4 is dead and even by called stop gap solution by its creator, if you want ext4 like fs, xfs is still activelly developed btrfs seems kinda too overcomplicated to ever solve its issues in any reasonable time

[@Spartan322]

Every good software project should have a CoC that says "anyone who suggests an implementation of a CoC is completely banned from the project without question no matter their rank"

[@Mavendow]

This is so sad, I'm watching Linux wither on the vine.

[@mytech6779]

The irony of the Monty Python language banning someone for liking old controversial sketch comedy.

[@porky1118]

28:22 So why do people even add these code of conducts? Does somebody from the government/mafia come in and tell them to implement a code of conduct, so they can put their people in the code of conduct team, so they basically are able to control supposedly decentralized projects?

[@whoeverofhowevermany]

"Your money isn't good here" in reverse?

[@draoi99]

This is how you get Lysenkoism. It's fascinating to watch in real time.

[@cleanpixelno]

Exactly!!!

[@meanmole3212]

> CoC board member > stable person choose one

[@Necropheliac]

The anti-bullying people always turn out to be the biggest bullies. Ultimately I think this policy of having politeness police will make the Linux kernel worse and not better. Programmers are often abrasive and can be known to conduct themselves poorly with others. It’s never a problem until the non-technical types get their hands all over a project. Linux won’t be better because of the politeness committee.

[@Spudz76]

New Code of Conduct: - Try to be as nice as possible given the circumstances - Have a thick skin - Don't be a pussy Then write that in Rust and submit it as a patch.

[@LysergicKids]

CoC was always completely antithetical to the core principles of FOSS and the justification for it's existence was always BS.

[@nickbernstein]

They're going to say that "get your head examined" is disparaging mental illness / disabilities. The problem with this stuff is they stretch it so anything can fit.

[@WorldsBestCommunist]

They could, which would be a stretch. Or they could say it's a personal insult and completely unnecessary, which it is.

[@JodyBruchon]

They need to get their heads examined.

[@cameramaker]

Why are you turning facts into something they are not ? The ReiserFS is not at all named after a murderer - Hans was not one when he programmed it, so its just the opposite: the creator of ReiserFS did commit some murder. Its not relevant to his commits into Linux. You seem to lack in basics of logic.

[@Wolkebuch99]

Calling it a CoC issue is so they don't upset the rustaceans again, the real reason the dev touched too many internals for the "patch"

[@sebastianbauer4768]

Oh man, a apology forced under duress is no apology but a humiliation. The whole point of an apology is that you regret your actions and want to seek to make things right with the other person so you both can move on. If neither the regret nor the desire to make things right is present, wtf, do I have to spell it out?

[@uiopuiop3472]

The "entity" responsible for making the CoC madness is Coraline Ada Ehmke, like you know the fusion of Coraline from the Children's horror series and Ada Lovelace from programming history. Really creative naming there too

[@cleanpixelno]

Agents have fancy names, yeah...

[@pajeetsingh]

CIA

[@oraz.]

It is pretty telling how much it intentionally advertises female ness, basically you can say woke.

[@uiopuiop3472]

@@pajeetsingh yea

[@muhdiversity7409]

That looked exactly as I expected it to look.

[@nosuchthing8]

Well I HOPE so. You can't just throw a monkey wrench into Linux!!!😂

[@danix30001]

In the Woke New World even developers are being CoC blocked.

[@RealWaffles]

eh i don't think the russian thing is a good example. your code of conduct can say whatever it wants, but you still have to obey the law.

[@SandcastleDreams]

Sounds like certain induviduals got paid off to destroy Linux! IMO! Perhaps those still faithful to the original vision needs to pick up and start a competing software development group!

[@xExekut3x]

kinda ... not destroy, just subvert and take over. it's been the judeo-commie decades, now.

[@k98killer]

This is why good governance involves balancing interests against each other to check their power. If they had split the board into a bicameral body with one group elected by ordinary contributors and the other group appointed by big corporate donors, they could probably have avoided this spiral into madness.

[@JPs-q1o]

We told you so all the way back in 2017!

[@rikhardfsoss]

linux kernel is over! because the dictator for life is woke! SAD!!!

[@Jeppelelle]

This CoC board seems to behave exactly like all the shitty HOA i constantly hear people complain about, what a mess. Why do people always become insufferable as soon as they get the tiniest sliver of power?

[@mytech6779]

Those people are insufferable from the start, the power just makes it more easy to see.

[@msoltyspl]

Also, remember good times when the linux kernel had "code of conflict" - common sense and to the point ?

[@taurniloronar1516]

So much for Inclusiveness.

[@cleanpixelno]

Their fake, shitty words will ALWAYS have the total opposite meaning in the real world, of course!

[@piman13_71]

saw the title and went "this is totally that 'new' 'better' filesystem that's maintainer is to cocky" and laughed when I read the TLDR lol. dude was given so many (maybe too many) chances to not mess this up

[@frankbauerful]

It's pure Maoism, struggle sessions and all.

[@kenabi]

partly, but partly traditional communism. between the capture of academia over the years since ww2, and the importing of certain known ccp members into academia, them having people in key places to influence people (students for a democratic society, anyone?) its amazing we're only seeing it this late in the game.

[@frankbauerful]

@kenabi A lot of people have been seeing it for years and pointed it out. But they were ignored or cast out, because "only a bad person would oppose the establishment of a CoC."

[@cleanpixelno]

Yep! And thus equally deadly if everyone lets it slide...

[@DudeSoWin]

@@frankbauerful Interoperability of Conduct, would be a more accurate parody of this error to keep the CoC as a trophy under quarantine, separate but equal lols. The whole "but can it do this" argument of Linux is that with greater awareness of code it can do barrel rolls around proprietary posers.

[@korana6308]

Not Maoism. THAT'S COMMUNISM in of itself. They have only one way - communist way, everyone else deserves to be purged by their logic. And every action is justified for anyone who is not a communist. That's communism 101. They became communists. By the way, Trump is only slightly better than the d. state. The d. state is like 95% communist. And Trump is like 50% communist. (Communism opposes liberalism, and is for 100% governmental control).

[@the_hd_yt]

2024 the year where hurt feelings lead to blocking, censoring, restricting and cancelling.

[@MagikGimp]

So it's not about supporting... those types but rather it's all for corporate?! Oh my! xD

[@cleanpixelno]

Fully captured, now...

[@octopusdreams]

I liked it a lot more when LInus was shouting and swearing at everyone. If it was up to me I'd ban the cry babies who get offended, not the other way around.

[@jort93z]

To be fair, the guy was, regularly, putting big changes in last minute just before the deadline and communicated very poorly. He had received multiple warnings in the past, linus even threatened to remove it from mainline all together. He then told linus to go develop his own filesystem, lol. There has been a long history with the guy.

[@delibirdempire4792]

I get that Code of Conduct is a trigger-word for some of you but I urge you to read some of the public mailing list conversations with Kent and you'll immediately understand why he was restricted. Pushing code without testing, masquerading general development patches as bugfixes to be able to submit them during non-standard kernel release cycles, repeatedly lying, very unprofessional correspondence with other devs... It was only a matter of time frankly. @Bryan Lunduke You are missing MONTHS of buildup in LKML lore and are only covering Kent's side of the story here, please do right by your "unbiased reporting" mantra and report both sides of this story.

[@dkosmari]

A man is not a woman. How is that for a trigger word, commie?

[@dkosmari]

How do you justify the Struggle Session against the blasphemers?

[@harveybc]

It is amazing that politics and personal feelings have so much influence on something that should be cut and dried ideas based purely on technical issues. I've always said the Linux community is it own worse enemy for taking over the desktop world. I'd never considered this problem in that. Total insanity.

[@maverick9708]

2:37 STABLE kernel maintainer 😭 reads like the English version of "small potato farmer" is the potato small? is the farmer small? is the scale small? 🤣

[@Your_Degenerate]

With all the beeping going on it gives the impression that Linux kernel development is a congested intersection while a car is being towed out of the way.

[@esra_erimez]

To be fair, Kent was being a jerk

[@redactado266]

Acting like a lone cowboy on a community driven proyect and then pikachu faceing when nobody wants you or your work.

[@dutchdykefinger]

Oh no Mean tweets

[@churipputori9087]

noo you can't just acknowledge the fact that the issue at hand is as mundane as someone failing to collaborate properly! imagine how that would make the people living in a movie insisting that it's the doing of nefarious shadow governments feel!

[@esra_erimez]

@@churipputori9087 Huh?

[@KryptLynx]

I heard the other part of the story a month ago. Basically the dev didn't follow commit guidelines, generating tons of work for other people in process. He even was warned *by Linus Torvalds* if he didn't change his behavior, there will be the consequences. This is the consequences, basically.

[@jannikheidemann3805]

Then why is that not clearly stated and instead COC violations are given as the reason?

[@KryptLynx]

​@@jannikheidemann3805 What i don't know. Maybe someone has a powertrip moment, but the situation is not new. First time I heard about the situation from this Brodie Robertson's video. KZbin doesn't allows me to post a link, so, look for "Linus Torvalds Threatens To REMOVE This File System" video by him.

[@helidrones]

This is why gate keeping is essential. No receiving of „donations“ in return of „favors“, no committee, no board, no full time jobs, no woke people, no political activists, no snowflakes…

[@Musikvidedo]

I think you have a typo here: "no political activists". You actually meant "only my position should be, at all, represented. Anyone holding me accountable after I violated previously agreed on standards is a meany and I don't like them >:(" I think needless to say, the kernel is an incredible open software project which really doesn't have time or space for your convoluted politics.

[@hgu123454321]

These large-scale open source projects are safe spaces for people with certain mental attributes. How is taking away those safe spaces an acceptable form of behaviour?