Long Term Linux Maintainer Banned After Protesting Removal of Russian Programmers

[@elia0162]

only america backdoor allowed on linux

[@gearfriedtheswmas]

@@owlmostdead9492 No backdoor is good.

[@DiegoValle392]

Yeah, I don't like the possibility of the FSB inserting a backdoor.

[@falrus]

@@DiegoValle392 its literally opensource. If the community cannot read the code, there is much bigger problem from Linux

[@gearfriedtheswmas]

@@falrus There was just discovered it contained a backdoor for months if not years.

[@elia0162]

@@owlmostdead9492 not really

[@LordApophis100]

The invasion of Irak was not sanctioned by the UN and a war of aggression. So all US kernel developers would have to be removed by that rule.

[@alterego157]

Every country has a long list of transgressions, so everyone has to be removed. Including Karen Linus. He obviously has a very selective memory of Finish history.

[@AmauryJacquot]

@@alterego157 like the part where finland was in cahoots with mustache man....

[@LinuxMaster9]

@@AmauryJacquot genocidal, world war starting mustache man who offed himself in the final hour because he could not complete his so called Final Solution. Not to be confused with Soviet Mustache man (Stalin).

[@lutumfamiliaris7287]

Indeed. I find it especially sad how national hatred is mostly upheld and emphasized by people who weren't even alive (and often neither were their parents) during the time they are referring at. While it is true Soviet Union was very problematic for Finland even after the war, Russia mostly hasn't been. Well, not more than any other world powers. Problems started when Finland threw out its long held neutrality. To me it looks like Linus is just another dud(e) that talks about things he knows very little of or says what is expected of him.

[@oz_jones]

​@@AmauryJacquot we had no choise. We were invaded by "Allies". But i guess that was your point

[@shaurz]

Linus' statement reads to me like he wanted to ban Russians and was just waiting for an excuse to do it.

[@Damglador]

Sounds even better

[@joemerino3243]

Imagine thinking that's a bad thing.

[@yaelz6043]

Breaking news, aryan hates Russian race. 😂

[@bosshog8844]

@@joemerino3243 it's a terrible thing. wtf made you write that?

[@PhillyD-n9b]

@@joemerino3243 yeah imagine conflating Government actions with civilians, imagine collective punishment...which the latter is even in Geneva Convention, imagine now having no moral compass and thinking this is somehow a good thing...😉get better, peace from Portugal.

[@gargamel3478]

Real Russian trolls would never say they are Russian. Banning *regular* devs is plain stupidity.

[@raf.nogueira]

"Actively planning nuclear first strikes against other countries" look at the message of this idiot, this is pure brainwash lol . Russia politicians and Medvedev are the ones that basically threats the entire west with nuclear war, even showing TV commercials of nuclear bombs exploding in London, France and Berlim... LOL This is insane to read..

[@joseoncrack]

Yes of course. And the fact it happens now after 2 years of sanctions, this is also odd. I can't make sense of it other than Linus has politely been asked to... or "else".

[@moetocafe]

you mean racism - because it's discrimination based solely on ethnicity

[@noname-sz4br]

​@@joseoncrack you mean "ordered to"

[@igordasunddas3377]

If I was a Russian agent, I'd mask myself quite a lot to get stuff done. Throwing out what Linus considers "bad" is outright dumb. I thought he's a smart man, turns out he's just an idiot.

[@MarktheRude]

Ah yes, freedom and openness, and doing political purges when someone points out your anti-freedom, anti-openness actions.

[@clarkflavor]

😝

[@amigalemming]

Freedom is Slavery, War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength.

[@DiegoValle392]

Create your own Linux repo if you dont like it.

[@RENOMIZER]

​@@DiegoValle392So you like it? You like to force to purge people off your project based on their country of origin?

[@yingyang-hl4tu]

@@RENOMIZER well, you maybe assume too much, as Russians, they're probably all white, so there is that to consider.....

[@notuxnobux]

Enrico (the guy that got banned) is a cool guy. He is pretty much the only one that is working on maintaining and improving the xorg server. That includes not only the code, but also for tools building and testing it and on other operating systems than linux.

[@NaN-se8ye]

And he`s the one who could easily push any backdoor into XOrg (or russian authorities just forecefully taking an action using his credentials). It would be impossible to keep track on all of their commits so russians are not trustworthy anymore, after the genocide in Ukraine, my country btw. Another example is that Linux didn`t ban any russia-born developers that live out of the russia. russians should understand that they do carry a lot of responsibility for all the horrors they`ve done. Nice that sanctions at least partially do influence them

[@efimovv]

wow

[@Jajajaro]

And he is the only one who stands against the lies and injustice. The others are just like mugs gonna serve the political mafia.

[@InsipidProgrammer]

As someone who has the manuals and studies X11 hard, I'm saddened by this. And as a developer, I would hope he kept those dev tools to himself and never shares the source.

[@mihalious]

@@notuxnobux xorg lol. Truly, nothing of value has been lost

[@galileo_rs]

So they are now deleting messages, that is a new low.

[@justanothercomment416]

When kommies take control one of the first things they do is censor and revise.

[@muhdiversity7409]

The far left play book. Every time.

[@justanothercomment416]

@@muhdiversity7409 Multiple replies were once here, providing more background and detail. All removed.

[@janmaker227]

Thats just consequential. Once you go down this route - where to stop. The guy referencing the greatest aggressor of all was totally right. Believe it or not its hatred from Linus side. He always came over as a deeply underdeveloped charakter. Serious am i the only one who feels he is a weak man. This will never be reverted again lets face it.

[@sdrc92126]

@@muhdiversity7409 looks like the censors are the good guys sometimes /s

[@grenadier4702]

Ah, yes, a Finnish patriot living in the US, Oregon

[@igorpupkinable]

Also he believes he is not brainwashed as if no Western propaganda exists. What a naive person.

[@DeadOrcGoodOrc2355]

Ah, yes. orcs working for russian military banned from Linux, what a sad news

[@joseoncrack]

He seems to have a very "US" view of FInland history as well. Just look it up. Finland hasn't had that much trouble with Russia in history, outside of the WW2 period, during which they first sided with Germany to fight the soviets, and much later on briefly fought Germany. So, that was a bit, uh, odd. After WWII, they essentially became neutral, like Switzerland. The rest is made-up fantasy. Their recent joining NATO is a very recent thing. As someone else pointed out though, Linus's father appears to be a long-time "activist", which most of us didn't know.

[@janosbaumann205]

Reindeer expertise is needed there.

[@---bl3sr]

@@joseoncrack As a actual Finn, living near border.. Ill give you a hint: Russians really are assholes. For decades they have done airspace violations, maritime violations with their jets and ships, basically just trolling. Occasionally amassing troops near border and other thinly veiled threats of imperialistic war, you don't know what it's like fearing the warmongering giant nation next door is gonna come and kill you if you have an actual opinion. Not to even go into Russian tourist behavior, pickpocketing, general assholery and acting like they own everything. Sorry about rant but i'm so glad we are in Nato now. But aside from that, i really can't blame Linus distrusting Russians who work for military. I barely can trust any i meet.

[@draoi99]

Gosh it's all kicking off in open source these days. All this politics and cultural warfare is so destructive and poisonous. It makes me wish for the days when the most heated controversy was about systemd.

[@googIesux]

TBH I'm still pretty hot about systemd >:(

[@ollicron7397]

​@@googIesux it's not that bad it's easier to work with than SysV

[@muhdiversity7409]

I despise systemd. The agent did his damage and retired to a cushy role at Microsoft. Figures.

[@LysergicKids]

Libre often revolves around libertarianism. Libertarians can be split between left and right on the political spectrum. Though, I'd argue left libertarianism is a bit of an oxymoron. Regardless, they despise each other. Basic rule of thumb, right libertarians tend to be the "Do whatever you want" folks, while the left libertarians are the "Do whatever you want.. unless I disavow" crowd. Sometimes the roles are inversed. This is simply my observation of what's going on. It should be noted that government pressure is not factored into my statement, though it's likely a contributing factor. I long for the days of systemd. When we would insult each other over sensible and reasonable issues.

[@Neuromancerism]

@@LysergicKids Yeah id mostly agree. I used to consider myself left and supported the pirate party in germany in its infancy. Obviously i was naive and hadnt thought many things through, as it tends to be in youth. Now... Yeah i dont believe in voting. John Joe Gray and Cliven Bundy have shown how its done. Hoppe, Rothbard, Mises told us.

[@SXZ-dev]

The biggest tragedy is them dragging real world geopolitics into software, i was always told we do not discuss sports, politics or sex at work, there's a reason for this, because it divides people, it causes unrest, it causes fights to break out between people, and you don't want that at work, the point is just to get the work done together and then you can all go back to your private lives. Linux crossed this boundary and brought geopolitics into the workplace so now the Russians and Ukrainian maintainers are fighting, the Chinese are fighting and quitting, the left-wing Americans are dragging comparisons to Israel into it, the Israelis are chiming in, the Arabs are up in arms etc. Why? Why was this necessary? Why did we need to drag geopolitics into free software? And if the justification is that the US government will arrest you if you don't that's a US problem, if the Russians arrested people for working with Americans you'd call that a fascist regime, why does the US get a pass for the exact same nonsense? If it's not ok for them it should REALLY not be ok for a supposedly free nation. Also if this is now a threat that governments can go arrest FOSS developers who don't enforce their geopolitics, maybe we should all go anonymous and work like Satoshi Nakamoto, just saying.

[@JamesSmith-ix5jd]

They wouldn't have arrested the developers, they would just close all funding channels except the community. If you live on a $200,000 a year, with kids, and some higher-up says we need to do this otherwise no funding, you think it would be so difficult for you to just type "git push" enter?

[@JonBrase]

Real world geopolitics gets dragged into it because Linux is part of everyone's critical infrastructure, so it's a target, and Russia has repeatedly demonstrated that it's not above using cyberattacks to further its geopolitical goals. If Russia were to manage to sneak a back door into the kernel, it would profoundly impact *everyone's* trust in the project, and I'm certain they've tried. So just from the perspective of the project itself, the Russian government is a threat. Then bear in mind that Linus himself is from a country that's been invaded by Russia in living memory, and some of whose territory is still held by Russia and is unlikely ever to be returned.

[@lethalpython]

Wat? Putin runs a fascist regime…

[@mrsciencedaemon]

This isn't recent. See CoC for communist influence.

[@fdsphone6854]

This is the nail-on-the-head comment. @SXZ-dev let keep politics out of it.

[@anonymous-rj6ok]

We need an alternative to the Linux Foundation. The org is compromised and politicizing open source. We won't stand for this.

[@diegocamilopenaramirez6101]

We must but actions must be taken

[@DiegoValle392]

Good luck promoting the kernel in any western country

[@CommanderRiker0]

Would love to, however living in the US I am a not free to do so. Can't risk my life saving and jail time. Probably be moving out of the US soon anyway as its collapsing in real time around me.

[@BloodVenefice]

@@DiegoValle392 to be honest the western side will eventually be the weaker side

[@DiegoValle392]

The Linux Foundation should help Russian devs escape from Russia.

[@ChrisOlin]

Just cancelled my annual Linux Software Foundation donation

[@gearfriedtheswmas]

Based

[@radornkeldam]

unfortunately is has come to this. I myself have only been a full time linux user for less than a year after decades of attempted failed migrations, and things are like this now. Just when I need an alternative to Windows the most, these jackasses decide it's time to throw all out of the window.

[@tomorrow6]

Gawd - sorry the LSF has only been sending a tiny fraction of funds to Linux kernel development for quite a while

[@mapu1]

You realize that if they don't they gonna go to prison right? You want them to do illegal stuff? Are you stupid? That said IDK what LSF even does with the money, so its probably for the best.

[@codinghuman9954]

@@radornkeldam There's always BSD.

[@javaman4584]

Despite the war and sanctions, the US and Russia cooperate on the International Space Station. NASA trains and launches Russian cosmonauts, and Roscosmos trains and launches American astronauts. What was done to Linux maintainers did not have to happen.

[@Bokto1]

Ban them from there, we have SpaceX

[@iRelevant.47.system.boycott]

@@Bokto1 Do you have a space station ?

[@Bokto1]

@@iRelevant.47.system.boycott you don't own the ISS, Ivan

[@Kwazzaaap]

Because in the Linux Foundation corporation have sway, and they are not comprised of people who lived in dreams of reaching space and cooperation of mankind.

[@wetanos]

@@Bokto1 neither do you, don't you?

[@أسامهناصر-ر3ل]

"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"

[@alexhunter4947]

u.s. always was villain. Never fought a defensive war. According to official figures from the Congressional Research Service, the u.s. military has launched 469 foreign interventions since 1798, including 251 since the end of the first Cold War in 1991.

[@أسامهناصر-ر3ل]

@alexhunter4947 talking about Linus, he maybe right in his actions but the way he explained them is nothing short of a villain

[@iRelevant.47.system.boycott]

@@alexhunter4947 So much for the peace 'dividend'. $35 Trillion in debt.

[@thetaomegatheta]

@@أسامهناصر-ر3ل 'talking about Linus, he maybe right in his actions' Spoiler: he's not

[@OmarEfren]

Exactly, a heroe felt down today

[@reinhardscherer2860]

Time for all non-us based maintainers and devs to unite elsewhere. Do you really want to support an org which punishes maintainers for their government's politics ? Because then nobody is save.

[@JonBrase]

It's not just a matter of "punishing them for their government's politics", it's a matter of the Putin regime's known track record for attacks on computing infrastructure, for performing social engineering abroad, and for coercing its own citizens, *whatever* the political motive might be. And the bit about coercion matters: You could have a Russian programmer who is a saint and has made great contributions to the kernel, but what happens if the Putin regime threatens his family unless he slips a back door in? A ban on Russian maintainers protects the friendly ones from their own government by making them useless even if coerced. And it makes sure the unfriendly ones don't have an avenue to willfully do damage.

[@reinhardscherer2860]

@@JonBrase I assume so. But I know for sure that the US does that. Each country has to watch closely for others implementing vulnerabilities etc, nothing new. But fragmenting the Kernel only hurts the people all over the world. (( Maybe, just speculating, governments in general don't like too secure kernels available for everyone ? I am not qualified in any way to claim that this is the case. ))

[@fuzonzord9301]

​@@JonBrase Yeah, there are rational reasons like security and coercion, thing is that it's clear that lots of people are primarily motivated by ethnic hatred and judging by what Linus said, he's one of them.

[@mapu1]

State sponsored actors have inserted vulnerabilities into the code before. Its a legit problem.

[@googIesux]

Well said, OP

[@ConorHanley]

I'm disappointed the majority of maintainers didn't protest.

[@TheYehat]

That's the real frightening thing.... but also it tells a lot, isn't it?

[@iRelevant.47.system.boycott]

@@TheYehat Mass Formation Psychosis.

[@nicoleking772]

The majority of (US) maintainers support Sloe Bribeum's tyrannic actions. Like Leftist ALWAYS DO

[@ehtresih9540]

I'm hoping they did but got their comments deleted. that's better than alternative of them being passive to such an atrocity

[@TheSulross]

@@ehtresih9540 But there are plenty of other places for dissenters to voice their opposition to what is going on, and there has been crickets. So looks like the majority of maintainers are okay with such politicization of open source software

[@radornkeldam]

Several years ago in a conference Linus Torvalds was asked if he had been asked by three letter agencies to plant backdoors into Linux. He said NO out loud wihile nodding affirmatively with his head. Given the current climate and his new happy compliance with the government, how probable is it that there are such backdoors in the Kernel now?

[@meskes4059]

Anything and everything is on the table right now

[@allmycircuits8850]

​@@JonBrase"highly likely". I heard that words sometimes in the past. It actually became meme in Russia, these are words requiring no more proof that russians did it.

[@negrastormentas2865]

Yes...

[@johnrickard8512]

This was probably more something he couldn't back out of even if he wanted to.

[@radornkeldam]

​@@johnrickard8512 from his comments in previous videos on this same ongoing situation he didn't sound like a reluctant convict walking to the gallows unable to oppose his fate. He brought out a lot of his personal politics into the issue and seems to enthusiastically agree with what's going on. You may say that that's just my interpretation, but it seems pretty obvious to me.

[@microcolonel]

Linus was so unprofessional; remember the old days when he was unprofessional in fun ways?

[@CommanderRiker0]

He went full woke, what do you expect?

[@dickingtonpost]

He was probably racist against slavs then too.

[@raf.nogueira]

"Actively planning nuclear first strikes against other countries" look at the message of this idiot, this is pure brainwash lol . Russia politicians and Medvedev are the ones that basically threats the entire west with nuclear war, even showing TV commercials of nuclear bombs exploding in London, France and Berlim... LOL This is insane to read..

[@NotMarkKnopfler]

All I know is, if I had made those same comments about Russians while representing the company I work for, I'd be out of work by now.

[@Wkaelx]

Yeah, "I'm not making anything professional and big like GNU" - Linus. It's not a problem to be professional, this is the oposite of professional. We are literally loosing talent bc of political bs.

[@llll-is6em]

if there’s something positive to be taken out of this is that the veil has been lifted for a lot of people about what the linux foundation really is and how they don’t care about the kernel, least of all about free software. with big corporations like microsoft being key members of the linux foundation i can’t say i’m surprised, although i do think this is an alltime low.

[@JamesBrown-f9g]

The people who control the purse strings are tightening them up because of BRICS and that means all those who benefited greatly are trying to suck up to grand master as much as possible to keep that $ flowing to them. This is what happens when you have a system build on fiat.

[@mrsciencedaemon]

This was obvious some years ago with them using CoC (code of communism).

[@mug786]

the veil has been lifted for me in october 2023 about the nature of the west. many conspiracy theorists were right all along. this just happens to be yet another downstream effect.

[@iRelevant.47.system.boycott]

Maybe the leakage from Win 11 grew to big.

[@Llirik13]

Agree...

[@SterileNeutrino]

It's definitely no longer "GNU/Linux" as the worst of Stallman's "The Right to Read" seems to be coming true in real time, and from inside the circus tent, too.

[@protogionlastname6003]

And I always considered Richard to be a strange guy of the bunch But he is actually the sane one

[@georgehelyar]

It's GNU+Linux-ru now

[@teromeehaley4612]

​@@protogionlastname6003 sadly

[@PassifloraCerulea]

@@protogionlastname6003 Heh, well, maybe not _sane_ exactly but definitely *right*

[@GoolagThemTube]

It's GNU/Woke now. 🤡

[@augustday9483]

The only thing that should matter about a maintainer is their code.

[@vladlu6362]

@@augustday9483 Unless said maintainer goes around murdering your friends. I don't think you'd like keeping that maintainer around, would you? Only "Russians working for the Russian state" were banned. Not all Russians, since there are still plenty Russian devs in the Linux kernel project. Only those working for the Russian state were, because they are security vulnerabilities and, frankly, morally reprehensible, no matter how you look at it.

[@gurriato]

@@vladlu6362 First: name those people he killed or shut up. Second: even being a murderer would be irrelevant, because the only thing that matters about a maintainer is their code. Cancel culture and mainstream politics have completely rotten your mind.

[@BowIcut]

@@vladlu6362 Do you think those removed linux maintainers were writing software for drones in their spare time? Masquerading your ethnic hatred with fake moral outrage is low

[@KirillFrolov77]

It's far more complicated than this. Previously the business model was to collaborate world-wide, now it's changing because the US cannot enforce its will anymore. Everything is falling apart in front of our very eyes. This is just a reflection of the overall process. The politicians are hysterical, they're desperate to revert the process, so they are doing things that are not well thought through.

[@1haruspex1]

​@@vladlu6362 It's so convenient that all the people the US has killed aren't anyone's friends, right?

[@seylaw]

Seriously, the RISC-V foundation moved to Switzerland for this very reason. While as a law professional, I can understand that they need to comply with US law, if Linux doesn't want to be subject of the US or any other government, they should consider their options if they want to stay open to all regardless of country of origin.

[@yaelz6043]

No one forced him to do anything, you can see the racial hatred in his statements.

[@justanothercomment416]

EOs don't effect individual citizens, only federal policy and interpretation thereof.

[@zacboyles1396]

@@yaelz6043the racists and bigots flock to the woke cancel culture. It’s wild watching the people split their minds in half to virtue signal how great they are (and how racist everyone *else* is) while embracing any opportunity they can to hate a group of people for reasons outside of their victim’s control.

[@iRelevant.47.system.boycott]

@@yaelz6043 Maybe the Russians found a backdoor in the Kernel ?

[@KirillFrolov77]

The US prints money and distributes them to the friendly outlets. If you move out, the funding is cut. That's pretty simple.

[@anonimuso]

In international tennis, Russian & Belarusian players are currently not allowed to have their flags shown on on-screen scoreboards (every player usually has their flag next to their name). So Russian players just have a blank space where the flag should be. It's so stupid. You're punishing people who have nothing to do with the war. And it's hypocritical. When the U.S. started wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, they didn't ban American flags from being shown alongside players names.

[@Damglador]

Cry about it🤷 In fairness, didn't see US invading 5 or more countries in a row and god knows how much in it's history, aside WW2

[@tom-hy1kn]

@@Damglador Are you blind?

[@LinuxMaster9]

@@Damglador Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq. Along with all the other smaller, less widely reported places like Libya. So far the RusFed since its founding has only invaded Ukraine. Soviet Russia != Russian Federation. Otherwise, you will have to accuse Ukraine of also invading multiple countries and starting wars of aggression since Ukraine was also part of the USSR. USA is a multi-state country. If the US invades Iraq, people don't let one state off the hook just because that one state might disagree.

[@lutumfamiliaris7287]

@@Damglador Well, you should study some history. Not a happy task, I admit. Not every aggression is done by major military force. Often times smaller operations will do. And assassinations. And funding organizations aiming to overthrow legal governments. Here are some countries US has offered its democracy to (not in any particular order): Korea, Vietnam, Syria, Afganistan, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, Somalia, Congo, Chile, Cuba, Costa Rica, Panama, Haiti, Nicaragua, Peru, Venezuela. And many, many others. While it is reasonable to be wary of governmental meddling in software, blaming ordinary citizens for the actions of their criminal governments leads to disaster in a very literal sense.

[@francisquebachmann7375]

​​@@Damglador what a dumb ass. 🤦

[@akosv96]

Microsoft, Google, CIA and the whole chabang is having a belly laugh with this one.

[@JamesBrown-f9g]

I'm sure they are behind it.

[@googIesux]

Def are

[@Thorned_Rose]

@@JamesBrown-f9g I wonder this too. Microsoft has taken a massive hit with Win11 and their spyware with Linux really starting to pick up some converts because of it. Now all of a sudden, DRAMA FOR LINUX!!!1!11!! I wish I was just being paranoid and tin foil hat wearing, but these days you just never know with corporates and corporate controlled government :(

[@John-wd5cb]

Definitely not. They see their trillions in research going up in smoke at Ukraine and Middle East.

[@AmitGosain-i9w]

In the U.S., there isn't a law that directly allows the government to decrypt any encrypted data at will. However, several laws and frameworks enable law enforcement and intelligence agencies to access encrypted information under certain conditions, primarily through court orders, subpoenas, and warrants. Here are the key ones: 1. Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA): CALEA requires telecommunications companies to design their systems so that law enforcement can carry out lawful surveillance with a court order. It doesn’t mandate a backdoor for encrypted communications but does require service providers to enable lawful interception. 2. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA): FISA allows U.S. intelligence agencies to gather foreign intelligence information under specific guidelines. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) can issue warrants for surveillance, including accessing certain types of data if it’s deemed a national security matter. 3. All Writs Act: Under the All Writs Act, courts can issue orders compelling companies to assist law enforcement in obtaining information or data, as long as it's within reason. This act was notably invoked in cases where the government sought access to locked devices, like the Apple-FBI case in 2016, though Apple ultimately resisted providing a backdoor. 4. USA PATRIOT Act and USA FREEDOM Act: The Patriot Act expanded surveillance capabilities after 9/11. Section 215, known as the "business records" provision, allowed for the collection of data related to national security investigations, but this authority was reformed under the USA FREEDOM Act, which set limits on data collection practices. 5. Executive Orders (e.g., EO 12333): Executive Order 12333 allows the NSA to conduct surveillance on foreign communications outside the U.S. and on certain data that might involve U.S. citizens under strict oversight. However, it primarily applies to foreign intelligence gathering. In practice, these laws don’t allow automatic decryption of data; instead, they provide a framework for lawful access to information when authorized by a judge. Even with a court order, decryption is only possible if the technical means are available (e.g., if a company has the ability to decrypt data on its servers). End-to-end encryption, like what’s used in many messaging apps, often prevents even service providers from accessing data, making it technically difficult for government agencies to intercept or decrypt.

[@Llyonard]

So usa can force linux to obey any politic choice, and this is "free software".

[@opensourceisnotcommunism4639]

Written by a Finnish patriot who lives in the US

[@jytou]

I wish it was just that. If it was, then we would have at least seen reluctance from the Linux Foundation. But no, right now the LF is proactively pressing the hate button, which is the exact opposite of what it is supposed to stand for.

[@Skidmaster180]

I love linux but Linus is doing everything he can to stop me doing so.

[@TheYehat]

That's the essence of the current affairs. A bad personality doesn't compensate for anything in a huge open project like Linux. Time to go in politics or whatever else drags his ego, but leave alone Linux for better.

[@r3n736]

Linus lost control a longggg time ago, remember when they made him yield, forced to take temporally brak and had to apologize?

[@atticusherodes6648]

Time to make bsd catch up

[@TheSulross]

the scary thing is, is that we can no longer trust the software of the Linux Foundation - we have to assume it's co-opted and will have back-doors that enable clandestine access for US intelligence agencies

[@talvisota1939]

Linus lost my respect, and I'm finnish

[@quantumangel]

Because nothing screams "free software" like political sanctions.

[@cristitanase6130]

How do destroy an Open Source project. DuckGoGo vibes all over again. That search engine also started by banning Russian searches, when no other engine did that or was required to do that!

[@protogionlastname6003]

Lol, never heard of it despite living in Russia and using this search engine from time to time. Never even tried to search Russian with DuckDuckGo, since nothing beats Yandex when you need to do search in Russian

[@mrsciencedaemon]

Stop calling it open source. It is supposed to be FOSS. That is what the GPL is for. Not that open source business nonsense.

[@zacboyles1396]

DGG founder was openly touting ’his’ search engine actively censoring content that went against the narrative being pitched by the censorship industry, obviously they focused on truthful information, as was exposed in countless FOIA requests and leaks, because that’s what makes people in power look as stupid as they are. The Duckhead was extra annoying, gleefully correcting people who were saying to avoid Google and use DDG. And while I was happy people were learning that he and his platform have no integrity but man what a tool.

[@AzKat69]

The problem with "russian sources" is that they closed off most of their websites to access from outside of Russia. Can't visit it because it cannot be accessed -> can't add it to your result. It's literally that simple. Or do you want a bunch of garbage dead links to show up like on alternatives like "Mojeek"

[@wrongthinker843]

@@AzKat69 No, they didn't.

[@DerekDominoes]

Pure xenophobia and modern day McCarthyism.

[@manitoba-op4jx]

russia is more right leaning than the west, now though.

[@DerekDominoes]

@manitoba-op4jx Only if you view the left as being the woke. The left is only "woke" in the West, not in the rest of the world. For example, Cuba and Venezuela aren't "woke." Also, Russia and the BRICS countries allowed Western media to be at their recent meeting and Russia is encouraging people to migrate to Russia. Can you imagine the U.S. being okay with Russian media attending NATO summits or encouraging Russians to move to the U.S. (unless they are willing to trash talk Russia)?

[@LinuxMaster9]

@@manitoba-op4jx conservative. Not Right Leaning. Right Leaning implies (at least in the M5M) of followers of the Austrian Mustache man.

[@My_Old_YT_Account]

McCarthy was right though

[@mrsciencedaemon]

Clearly you fail to understand that this behavior is communist. McCarthy was right. Kernel has CoC (Code of Communism) to stop free speech, which is the antithesis of FOSS (Freedom Of Speech Software). Wake up.

[@michalgajdos7575]

Microsoft must be popping champagne and nose candy...celebrating

[@joseoncrack]

They were already doing that when Rust got "approved" for incorporation into the Linux kernel. Sure, there has been a setback recently about it, but it's IMO a minor setback, and they are coming back with a passion.

[@dobro8711]

​@@joseoncrackwhat's wrong with Rust? Asking out of curiousity

[@KirillFrolov77]

Not exactly. They know that valuation is a bubble that is not underpinned by anything. Once it bursts (mathematically inevitable now) everybody will be out of money. All those people already forgot what it means to bring value for a fixed price, now it's subscription. Basically it's a global tax. No one will survive on a one-off fixed payment business model these days. But it's getting back withing years. Imagine what happens if Google is going to pay taxes in all countries of operation. It would cause an immediate collapse of a business model. And this is also coming. So...

[@trumphy911]

Madness…and very dishonest behaviour by Torvalds.

[@shugyosha7924]

Imagine you've been contributing to a project for years, then one day without warning you are not only banned from contributing to it, but the founder of the project writes a snarky comment calling you names because of the country you happen to live in.

[@forlexer]

sounds like...racism.....hmmmmmm

[@purplelizard0102]

we need terry

[@IllusionDX]

@@forlexer xenophobia

[@talvisota1939]

@@forlexer well Linus is racist-bigot, that what he is

[@Alx-h9g]

​@@IllusionDX xenophobia is a form of racism

[@YellowCable]

This seems to be the beginning of the end of corporate Open Source as we knew it, and good riddance. It should be about Freedom in Software, and free software projects should not be affected by politics in this way

[@mrsciencedaemon]

The beginning of the end was years ago, with things like CoC (code of communism).

[@justanothercomment416]

@@mrsciencedaemon Thank you for speaking the truth. Based. Spot on. You rock.

[@a6b59ghj51d]

And when a phoenix rises from the ashes, maybe we won't have to worry about putting gender pronouns in our bio?

[@ScorgRus]

@@mrsciencedaemon What's that? Sounds delicious

[@iRelevant.47.system.boycott]

After the exploding pagers, it looks more like the end of western tech.

[@HoverDoog]

Linus sending out formal correspondence answering serious community concerns while typing like an angry teenager with a god complex should tell you everything you need to know about how much you can trust him to make sound decisions.

[@liukang85]

😂😂😂👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 yeah. Unfortunately I don't know a good OS alternative

[@iRelevant.47.system.boycott]

@@liukang85 A BRICS variant will likely turn up soon. I believe both Russia and China have dumped MS on public computers. Thought they were using Linux, more likely was, as things develop.

[@KirillFrolov77]

To be fair, he was always like that. Over the years he's gotten somewhat better at it, but not by much.

[@HoverDoog]

@@KirillFrolov77 He is a 54 year old man.

[@trenchrat.loonixtard]

​@@iRelevant.47.system.boycott russia started using publicly available free (and open source) distro made for governement, astra linux

[@mahaddev]

Never have I thought the International Space Station is going to be more open than Linux

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

does anyone feel like reviving the HURD kernel? lol

[@Stefan-oi9nk]

ISS has been banning China for a long time….

[@LightCrasher]

Its because ISS is mostly being ran by Russia. They let pretty much everyone to go there.

[@bobclarke5913]

With the way things are going with the bans I expect to be running the Russian fork in a year.

[@dickingtonpost]

That's the funniest part, they're going to drive people to exactly what they claim to want to stop.

[@kodiuserKodi]

My thougths exactly as the news came out. The possible russian kernel, or bsd in other case. I really don't like this political hate and banning.

[@FraggleH]

The way things are going, you'll be imprisoned based on the use of that Russian fork.

[@LinuxMaster9]

@@FraggleH then ill get that prison imprisoned because ill convert that prison to Rusnux. or BRICSnux.

[@FraggleH]

@@LinuxMaster9 They'll never take....our Freenux! :D

[@deckard5pegasus673]

- Windows not even hiding now that it completely spies on you with Total Recall .- Mac charging $3000 to get 16GB of RAM - Linux self destruction, while coincidentally the foundations is literally owned by Mircrosoft, Google.-Dont-be-Evil and Oracle, and since version 2.6 has added about 2500% of bloat to the kernel.

[@YellowCable]

a new OS with zero political and corporate influence is needed.

[@speakersr-lyefaudio6830]

@@YellowCableyes

[@Wkaelx]

@@YellowCable Well, BSD still exitsts and Redox seems to be doing well?

[@googIesux]

Biiiingo

[@francisquebachmann7375]

BSD then hard fork it like many companies do when making their own OS

[@steveoc64]

Once upon a time, Linus wrote some really good code, and that has elevated him to be an extraordinary Genius Boss man without equal For example - when the plague struck a few years ago, Linus became an overnight biochemistry expert ... which qualified him to hurl abuse at any developers that didn't share his deep insights on how certain medical procedures work at the cellular level, or disagree with the notion that the scientific method has advanced to the point where we no longer need a control group to statistically validate an experiment. Over the last 2 years ... he has instantly become an expert in sociology and cognitive psychology, to the point where only he understands how "the younger generation prefers to code". Thus forcing Rust into the kernel prematurely, because "that's what ALL the younger talent write ALL their code in" Now, with current world events, Linus has overnight become an expert on history and geopolitics ... and he can tell without even looking whether a person is "one of the baddies on the wrong side of history" or not, based purely on their accent With people like this calling the shots and making all the big decisions, this linux project is so far off the rails, that we may as well just call it Windows 12

[@vaughanmacegan4012]

You mean Linux is going to incorporate Windows Recall - come to think of it what better way to keep track of what people say, then by having access to their actual computer and banning them from it.

[@Angus.MacGyver]

Not surprised, Linus is just going back to Finland's time in WW2 where they sided with fascist Germany, Italy and Japan. Once a N a z 1, always a Na z 1.

[@joseoncrack]

That's very spot on.

[@gondorianslayer4250]

@@Angus.MacGyver chill dude.

[@wrongthinker843]

@@gondorianslayer4250 It's just holding him to his own standard, actually.

[@sleepyjoe7843]

Linus sounds like a child.

[@JamesBrown-f9g]

Most people with power and wealth are psychopaths... if not all.

[@dkosmari]

He is. He failed to raise his daughter, he's not a man.

[@Wkaelx]

Some people that are smart in specific areas tend to think they are smart at everything, Linus knows how to code not how to manage.

[@mrdkyzmrdany8742]

Linus was sus since his return from re-education years back. Now he's confirmed. Fork it, rename it, keep it in sync.

[@manitoba-op4jx]

@@dkosmari how long till he becomes a woman?

[@ytfeelslikenorthkorea]

Yet again, I am massively disappointed with Linus. I live in UK and I have no obligation to watch US "news". I can understand that some Americans have no idea world beyond their street exists, but as an immigrant himself, Linus should have at least a bit of compassion? A part of me is glad that my work is more and more in the serverless realm, so I don't have to care what system is running underneath the AWS' APIs. So I don't have to be Linux advocate anymore. It was a good run, but I guess nothing lasts forever.

[@null7936]

A prostituição não é vender o corpo por sexo.

[@zakofrx]

He is a Fin.. Most hate Rossions... (Changed to stop tube delete)

[@taurniloronar1516]

He'll. I'm a citizen of the US and any "obligations" I had to watch our news was destoyed decades ago and since then, the major media here has gotten worse. All we have now regarding the major media is an Americanized version of Pravda.

[@dickingtonpost]

You're surprised he's racist against slavs? Its not shocking given his background.

[@ytfeelslikenorthkorea]

@@zakofrx well.. I'm Polish, so I have even more reason for it. Doesn't change the fact that Linus should behave like a head of a very important project, not like a m0ron.

[@kmg501]

Someone is trying to destroy Linux and Linus is not helping to slow this down.

[@alyu6351]

The Russians? 😂

[@clippy-v4q]

It's kinda dead after this

[@Ahandleofrum]

Did big tech buy Linus off?

[@eleghari]

Linus needs no outside help in doing this

[@CallousCoder]

This world is so fucking fucked! Fed up with these politics!

[@oooboo3249]

yeah I'll look at logic and reason and people look at logic reason as politics this whole thing is happening is by design by the world Elites to destroy the open source community so they can bring their digital dollar social credit system and they can't have a opposition so they have to get rid of the open source but what certain people here in that statement is your for Russia and another group of people here is here for Ukraine and another group people hear something else they don't hear a damn thing and what I'm actually saying

[@knyazhefilms2154]

Please take your free time and visit Ukraine. Then you’ll understand what “fed up” means and would be qualified to talk about the subject. And serious answer is: Have you entertained idea that the world is this way because people like you were avoiding responsibility of political activity and insisting on “good” to prevail ? I can criticise myself for that. Can you? Have a good day.

[@knyazhefilms2154]

did you make efforts to make it better politically?

[@CallousCoder]

@ yes’ I ajways vote for non-established parties, pirate party and libertarian party (I’m a libertarian at heart). I demonstrated especially with the covid nonsense peacefully all the time. I go to, what apparently now are called right wing, freedom marches to start looking into a solution for Ukraine instead of what all the other parties want is continue to send money and face innocent guys on both sides sacrifice their lives. I’m even listed on a watch list for being “s potential danger to the state 🤣” because I am criticism as to the state. And people at the corona demonstration we found out due to a freedom of information request are listed on that list 🤣Oh and I stand with David Icke’s free speech despite not agreeing with many of his weird conspiracies but he got banned from Schengen countries for 2 years (and it’s just been extended by the new fascist government) because he has weird conspiracy ideas. So I wrote a letter to the new inland minister telling her that despite their campaign lies (luckily I didn’t vote for them because what they want is what the populous wants) but she’s going forth like their predecessors in the same totalitarian WEF agenda 2030 ways. And this proves it that they too are against people who think differently despite having a big mouth against the old government for censorship and totalitarian attitude. And now you do the same! Blocking a guy in his 70s with no prior convictions who a lot of his prediction did come true - especially new totalitarianism in our life time in Europe! And that’s what you don’t want him to say, because you know it’s true. Ironically they have not signed for receipt of that letter so it was returned. That’s the state of our democracy. So yes I’m very active against the growing warmongering and totalitarianism

[@CallousCoder]

@ I have always been politically active. And I’ve been to the Ukraine, I actually worked there! I voted against the association of the Ukraine in one of two referendums we were allowed to have because I knew this was bound to hallen. Wat een Ukraine was never seen as “Ukraine” by the west. They always wanted to either be independent or associated with Russia. Because majority of the people there are ethnic Russians. They were always treated like second rate citizens since the fall of the wall. Even back in the 2000s when I worked there. Since the outcome of referenda that weren’t supported by Kiev turned out they wanted to not be associated to Kiev they banned Russian as the officers second language, turned of water for weeks to certain areas. Even on occasion bombed them were the thought pro Russian separatists were, killing innocent people. The created the separatist movement by not allowing to even have them have official referenda and not recognizing their wishes to ve independent. Which btw was also part of the Minsk treaties that were drafted and Russia and even sock puppet Zelenskyy could live with abut then Boris Johnson flew in and said no to Zelenskyy. This war could’ve been done in 4 weeks. Because everyone knows that Ukraine will never in back the Donbas. Life is going on normally there (except on the defense lines it’s hell there). But Russia will be able to defend this forever. So for the side of Russian and Ukrainians boys being fed into the meat grinder for basically keeping the status quo is insanity. Ukrainian boys from the west who don’t even care for eastern Ukraine because to them it’s even a different country with different people.

[@nessunolinux]

Dear Linus: did you get a job at Microsoft?

[@skipperbentdk]

Maybe it's just hormones spasms from his gender surgery

[@futsk01]

yes, but it is a job of clandestine nature

[@r.d.6290]

Sometimes I think Linus and the entire Linux Foundation is bought by Microsoft to sabotage Linux development so that it never becomes Windows competitor in home and workplace desktop market.

[@eleghari]

Did he not basically hand it over to Microsoft a while back?

[@phishENchimps]

this is bad, this is bad this is bad. Linux is OPEN Source. Which means that Many others are capable of reading the code prior to release. They are doing this simply because of their views and location. this is bad, this is very bad.

[@TheYehat]

please understand, Linux is not just opensource, it is FREE software because it's released under GPL. The difference is huge, however no difference can prevent US administration to destroy anything good.

[@strictlyunreal]

Linus could've just pointed to legal compliance, a measure I'm not OK with either because it brings politics into free and open source software, but he didn't do just that! By invoking the fact that he is Finnish and appealing to history, he basically admitted that he is a Russophobe! I mean, think about it!

[@NotMarkKnopfler]

Yep. He's a xenophobic PoS.

[@jackmcslay]

I've looked it up with history of Russia-Finland relations and so far I could not find anything that relates to post-soviet Russia so I'm inclined to believe that he's appealing to anti-russia finnish propaganda more than history.

[@mrsciencedaemon]

Here you are adding more political nonsense. There is no such thing as a russophobe. That is communist propaganda.

[@iRelevant.47.system.boycott]

That this comes up nearly 3 years after the sanctions where introduced, gives a nefarious dishonest vibe. Especially how it is communicated.

[@DescipleOfDJK]

Linus is kind of a freak.

[@GoolagThemTube]

He really is a crazy person and always has been. His social skills are not very good to say the least.

[@reinhardscherer2860]

Who isn't ?

[@GoolagThemTube]

​@@reinhardscherer2860 Most people are not. Not like Linus and these other emotionally unstable nutjobs.

[@mrsciencedaemon]

He's a manlet dork that needs to confine his role to technical matters only.

[@opensourceisnotcommunism4639]

Suomi☺️

[@vsevolodtokarev]

I am a Russian living in US most of my life. I also was a Linux enthusiast since about 1994. My only complaint is that Mr. Linus did not state his position publicly and clearly 30 years ago. I wouldn't have invested myself into studying the OS bearing his name. Or maybe he just was a better person back then. Anyway, if Mr. Linus feels racist towards my kind, I am going to oblige. Could someone please point me to a general purpose open source OS? Risc OS sounds like fun, but I am not that young anymore; besides, I'll probably stick with x86 platform. FreeBSD? Don't care for its mascot. NetBSD, maybe? Bryan, thanks for your sane, neutral position. These days, it takes a bit of bravery.

[@PassifloraCerulea]

Don't blame you one bit. There's also Haiku OS, which seems to be doing reasonably well and not noticeably political so far.

[@francisquebachmann7375]

What's sad is that people blame the citizens instead of the people who are in power. Western countries almost did this to my country because of our foul mouthed leader (which i didn't vote for)before but they switched to sanctioning individuals because they can't loss an ally in the pacific.

[@vsevolodtokarev]

@@PassifloraCerulea Thank you, only heard the name, will check it out.

[@Zeni-th.]

Are you the Alexander guy?

[@joseoncrack]

Maybe it's finally time for a GNU/Minix OS, and Andrew will have won the argument! ;)

[@nyankers]

maybe this will result in an anti-corporate linux kernel fork

[@joseoncrack]

The Linux kernel can be forked as many times as we want. No problem with that. The issue is that everybody flocks to Linux because it has very large support, including support from commercial companies (even if it's a double-edged sword), which guarantees support for new hardware. So that everyone's kinda stuck. You can fork all you want, but you won't be able to get enough support and it will eventually become abandonware.

[@whoever69]

@@joseoncrackAn appropriately licensed fork can just lift the drivers from the Linux kernel source for free.

[@iRelevant.47.system.boycott]

@@joseoncrack Depends on the size of the fork, this seems more like an Empire vs the Global majority type.

[@nyankers]

@@joseoncrack all a fork actually needs is a dedicated maintainer that doesn't mean it'll be popular, but there are plenty of projects that aren't very popular but nevertheless are well-maintained

[@RTSW0]

This channel has become the single source documenting a number of events, or documenting them in a non milquetoast and farcical manner, in the entire site. It's no accident this is happening as a certain group is seemingly attempting to consolidate control over the entire open source world. The hydra has many heads, but even so it's mind-blowing how bad things have gotten.

[@mug786]

"certain group" sounds about right...

[@John-wd5cb]

aaand you seen nothing yet.. 😢

[@justanothercomment416]

@@mug786 Who "knows" who they are.

[@sdrc92126]

-open source-

[@d.d.5942]

I hate how politics is ruining everything. Good thing that Linux is open source. Everyone can copy it, use it and develop it further.

[@exe_]

So, according to Linus, Open Source means having the source not open to certain people?

[@igorthelight]

Almost Open Source ;-)

[@turanamo]

Linus has gone mad, what a raving lunatic

[@mobluse]

The source is open, but a projects doesn't have to accept PRs.

[@exe_]

@@mobluse I get that, although Linux should not be taking action against devs because of their race or nationality, which is what happened.

[@phishENchimps]

I play an MMORPG. I play with Chinese, Russian, Euro, North American, South American, South Asian, East Asian, Oceania. I love how I am able to work along side with people from all regions and not let politics gets in the way.

[@dragons10000]

which mmo is that?

[@phishENchimps]

@@dragons10000 Foxhole

[@dragons10000]

@@phishENchimps ok will check it out

[@Spudz76]

Who even complies before being notified they are out of compliance? It's not 101% clear that the orders even intended this.

[@dickingtonpost]

A racist who hates slavs

[@erintyres3609]

Someone should ask Joe Biden to explain why he made that order, and ask him to reconsider. :-)

[@LinuxMaster9]

people with Military Contracts my dude. TLF has military contracts.

[@dickingtonpost]

@@LinuxMaster9 If that were true they wouldn't be silent. This was a choice they made on their own. As were the further actions they took.

[@dantenotavailable]

You are assuming the Linux Foundation haven't been notified they are out of compliance.

[@accessdenied5288]

'Be proud of what you do.' Linus Torvalds. Linus's family has long been involved in politics & turning Finland into another NATO proxy. His father ran as presidential candidate in 2017 on a pro-NATO platform. Linus obviously shares his father's political outlook. I wonder just how close Linus is working with White House & MIC. Nils Torvalds - 'Could Finland Outgun Russia?' (2022) Times Radio, YT. 'We have a strong army .. we have all the conscripts (etc)'.

[@joseoncrack]

DIdn't know.

[@ItsTristan1st]

Interesting, didn't know this. Thanks for sharing.

[@Alexandru-j4z]

Had no idea, thank you.

[@iRelevant.47.system.boycott]

Man, Nils seems to have Zelensky potential. Now we know why the Russians had to go.

[@lvt2050]

That explains a lot

[@x0rZ15t]

Guess BSD (especially OpenBSD) will get more smart devs now!

[@PR-cj8pd]

They are based in Canada

[@yrmuq]

Eh, they dont support docker :с

[@DivergentDroid]

@@yrmuq That's just silly.. I know a lot of Canadians who work down at the docks.... 😆

[@yrmuq]

@@DivergentDroid You silly boy, why I would care about Canadians? I just need official docker on BSD 😆

[@DivergentDroid]

@@yrmuq Point scored sir, point scored!

[@dodosan7262]

This is Microsoft's greatest victory

[@eleghari]

Easily predictable back in 2016 when Microsoft joined the Linux Foundation...

[@josephbrandenburg4373]

This may be the thing that ends Linus' tenure as the leader of the most important FOSS kernel project... Maybe the Russians will fork and then outperform the original Linux because they have Linux and then some. Then whoever maintains that Linux will end up having the most important kernel. It would make me happy to see this happen. Power should change hands every once in a while, no matter what kind of power it is.

[@dickingtonpost]

Its ironic racism is what will do him, and linux, in.

[@miloradowicz]

I don't think anything good will ever come from the Russian government. They are centralized to the core.

[@aac74]

competition is good

[@LinuxMaster9]

It has always struck me how much more talented russian devs are over western devs. Those Ruskies are some highly talented people. Evidence in the games that come out of that Eastern Bloc region of the world. EFT, Stalker, Metro series etc. Meanwhile in the USA you have Fortnite and the Rinse and Repeat hogwash called Call of Duty.

[@koh-i-noor123]

@@LinuxMaster9 Metro and Stalker are made by Ukrainian studios that are victims of the war right now.

[@MerrimanDevonshire]

... and the system dies the death of a thousand forks. 😂😮😢

[@XykcTepa]

If the Linux foundation removed all devs associated with a country/company involved with wars of aggression, there shouldn't be single American or British in it... Linus will also be banned (as an American citizen), so... All around an ill conceived idea. Punishing a person for what their government is doing is actually illegal according to international law as well. Also perhaps it's time to rethink the GPL license, so US courts can't randomly affect it anymore. Just a thought!

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

this assumes there's any intent to apply the restrictions fairly, don't get drawn in by any legalese and take what Linus says at face value.

[@XykcTepa]

@@xXx_Regulus_xXx I don't assume fairness only consistency.

[@cameronmoore136]

America isn't "land of the free", in law OR in spirit, if the government forbids you from collaborating on a project with specific kinds of people.

[@bren42069]

it hasn't been for a long time. that's just a meme at this point

[@wrongthinker843]

@@bren42069 Since 1913 I'd say.

[@gearfriedtheswmas]

Enrico the new name for the mexican Chad.

[@AlexeiAnisimov]

Did Stillman comment on this yet ? Weird that LF is not making a proper public statement indeed

[@MnemonicCarrier]

I'm personally grateful that some folks have stepped up to the plate and either voiced concerns or even opposition to the dickish way the Linux Foundation (and Linus and even Greg) handled this nonsense. I'm just sorry they had to pay such a high price for doing so.

[@albundy7718]

If Trump wins these sanctions could be gone next year as part of a peace deal, but as i understand it these maintainer wont be allowed back. To me that points to a split, the world got more tribal in the last 20 years and people no longer are able to compromise.

[@Chidorin]

and in 2 years there will be new sanctions and they will be deleted from list again😂

[@dkosmari]

Linus damaged the Linux project beyond repair. There's no going back now.

[@miloradowicz]

​@@Chidorin yep. The Russians don't trust Americans anymore, and the Ukrainians -- if there will be any -- won't trust neither.

[@Damglador]

Ah yes... Trump... We need more insane presidents

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

​@@Damglador Yes, insane presidents that care about strenghtening their own country rather than involving in conflicts all around the world. That kind of crazy presidents.

[@steveoc64]

I have read the sanction orders cover to cover now, and checked with legal YOU DONT NEED TO COMPLY WITH ANY OF IT There is nowhere in any of the documents where it clearly states "Simon Says" - so even a child knows that compliance is optional

[@igorthelight]

It's kinda optional ;-) Comply or you are not the friend of the West xD

[@r.d.6290]

So it's in the same legal grey area as "cancel culture" for example.

[@TraianoLiberatore]

They finally found a way to destroy open source 😂

[@igorthelight]

Open Source is an idea - it can't be destroyed! But Open Source projects could be destroyed

[@TraianoLiberatore]

@igorthelight Yes. Thanks for rephrasing.

[@rationalityfirst]

Stallman's approach was always the better one. Open source is just corporate perversion of free software.

[@pedeathtrian]

So they've bought the main guy and he declared war on common sense. Could've been done earlier tbh.

[@eleghari]

It was predictable the day Microsoft joined the Linux Foundation back in 2016.

[@AaronNGray]

WTF this is like being behind the iron kernel sorry curtain.

[@iRelevant.47.system.boycott]

🤣

[@KAZVorpal]

The Rust guys have an opportunity here, to build a replacement kernel...

[@StupidusMaximusTheFirst]

You can't be serious... the Linux kernel didn't happen overnight. Good luck with that.

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

@@StupidusMaximusTheFirst you can borrow any code you want from linux as long as it's under the same license. in any case, the best time to start on a huge undertaking like a new kernel is as soon as you see a need for one, it can be prod ready that much sooner that way.

[@StupidusMaximusTheFirst]

@@xXx_Regulus_xXx yeah, go ahead, good luck hackerman.

[@madcoderz7206]

Who knew one of the coolest dudes in open source is a CIA lackey. 🙄

[@AtticusKarpenter]

Do not make idol for yourself or how its said in the Bible never admire person too much, to the emotional dependency on their good image because even geniune good people can always become worse, or just go mad. This is a human trait. We are temrorary.

[@biomorphic]

It is time for Linus to go.

[@negrastormentas2865]

CIA asked, Linus runs to accomplish the request.

[@taurica6522]

Just google what his father is doing, under whose influence he is, and all questions will disappear.😊

[@g0r3ify]

People always mistake open source with a democracy-like system. But that is not the case. Most projects are organized like dictatorships, where the only project owner decides where things are going. Which is fine. If you don't like it, fork it and do your own thing.

[@TheYehat]

You can fork a code, but can't fork the people (yet). The whole point is not the technical side of the things, but the ethical which believe it or not is significant part of FOSS.

[@_Luluko_]

Certainly a weird move, especially when lots of people said they wont use win11 in the future with recall. Almost like the US gov doesnt want us to have alternatives, where outside forces can speak freely if they find something.

[@A_Tusami]

this really feels like linus is throwing a temper tantrum at this point. Any reasonable adult would keep people that have been no problem. This is simply anti-russian racism.

[@iRelevant.47.system.boycott]

It is likely also just a cover. Why now after almost 3 years, the Ukraine war winding down.

[@A_Tusami]

@@iRelevant.47.system.boycott exactly, whats the issue at this point? Also, its not like linux is exactly a comp sci "secret weapon" that we can hide from the russian federation, they will just fork it and not give a damn about sanctions. Linus really shot himself in the foot for some reason.

[@Michael-it6gb]

I tried Linux for the first time back in 2006, I think. But I have used Linux Mint pretty much exclusively for the past 3 years. As Linux has been gaining momentum thanks to some folks here on YT for the past few years and more support and software are available for it, I really fear what this ban of programmers might do to the whole project. I mean, if you ruin your community like that, how will any corporation want to invest in a system that is full of holes, disruption and instability?

[@soppaism]

Google, Microsoft, Amazon etc. etc. corporations ARE the reason why this must be done. If Linus wouldn't do this, each of those companies would need to hard fork or quit using Linux for good.

[@manitoba-op4jx]

mint and proxmox are the best of the best, i will be devastated to lose them. debian went woke btw.

[@ItsTristan1st]

That is the beauty of GPL. It ensures that if the need is strong enough, the project will fork and discard the toxic baggage. It is important to note that it is not only Russia that would be interested in doing so. China too, even if they are not in the current cross-hairs.

[@iRelevant.47.system.boycott]

@@ItsTristan1st Doubt China would tolerate a politicized version of Linux.

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

@@manitoba-op4jx mint is great but if you want something that doesn't rely on debian/ubuntu package base there are still good alternatives, and the mint team are overhauling the default cinnamon theme so it will look better on other distros. KDE's latest release is a lot of fun too, coming from someone who ran mint+kde for many years

[@jkd7799Yann]

This is the beginning a new and truly open source Os without torvald and cia interference

[@maidpretty]

"Execute Order 66" ―Darth Linus -

[@eleghari]

Linus does resemble 'Darth Helmet' Rick Moranis from Spaceballs 🤭

[@わかるマーン]

Year of the OpenBSD desktop when?

[@misatokatsuragi9122]

It's Canadians

[@わかるマーン]

@@misatokatsuragi9122 Oh really? I **totally** thought they were Indians!

[@hackjealousy]

Linus is a petulant child.

[@opensourceisnotcommunism4639]

No, a Suomi weirdo!

[@darkobul1]

There are numerous legal consequences to this apparent violation of license. Does this executive order makes open source licenses violate it self? If so legally others can pursue some form of litigation and even refuse to comply to license at all. It's a really big legal question. I know politics don't care for legality but it's always aftermath in laws. And just consider that whole world economy and trust depends on written words and keeping them.

[@JohnDoe-i5b]

can the Linux foundation be sued for this?

[@darkobul1]

@JohnDoe-i5b i saw another video about it and guy appeared that he have read portion of directive which indeed stated such wording. If that is true then Linux Foundation has limited liability. This is so shady and what information we get is really scarce.

[@-CmonMeow]

When I began using linux, freedom of speech, and human rights were strong factors, some distros had U.S. bill of rights, and U.S. constitution hidden in /etc or whatever random directory. hackers ascend borders, no matter the country they hail from, we've been called russian trolls numerous times

[@manitoba-op4jx]

when the russians are more american than the expatriated finnish boy

[@skewty]

Those values have never been popular among US tech companies. They are a step or two from Mao and miles away from Ghandi.

[@mrsciencedaemon]

And now it is full of communism, like CoC (code of communism) telling people how they can speak which is anathema to FOSS.

[@Shadowofthedark847]

​@@skewtyGandhi is an absolute dork. He would probably have supported DEI.

[@sweetmelon3365]

Gandhi was assassinated for not siding with a fascist party. Gandhi made not be perfect but he's way better than what we've today

[@SSFighter1701]

I came here to say one thing - I understand why they would remove Russian contributors because of National Security reasons. Is it right or wrong? No idea - above my pay grade. My concern is they’ll lose good talent. The best programmers with the cleanest and most commented code i had ever seen were all Russians. It’s like a different level that I had never seen before. (In IT 17 years)

[@taurica6522]

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.

[@nicolasfasano6410]

So you are a commie?

[@ruslansmirnov9006]

"however, this is how it was written in the 6th book of Esmesanti"

[@oleggarntsarik]

They were banned not because they're russians, but because those maintainers were employees of sanctioned russian enterprises

[@fulano2040]

We all should move to a not restricted fork not controlled by the Linux foundation

[@pauldwalker]

“Onix” (oh-nix) - the actual open version of linux.

[@samrijijkot]

Free and open source software is not free if its seated USA. We need a fork outside of US, outside of Russia.

[@jfiosi]

Just like the UN headquarters should be moved out of the US. The US banned Russian UN reps from traveling to the US to attend UN meetings. This violated the UN charter and the duty of the host nation. Arrogance, bombs, regime change and the so-called Rules-based Order will not make you friends in the world. The multi-nodal BRICS+ is creating alternatives for the world.

[@AtticusKarpenter]

And Russians will be only happy, we don't want our government to control such things, nor we are planning to comply with similar nationality-based sanctions (if Russian government somewhen go mad with power as intense as US do). Government can fight their geopolitical struggles without witch hunts in open source programming, sport or other nonrelated things Maybe servers of open source projects can be stationed on the cruise ships or something? Like casinos do. To be in no-one's national territory and spit on the censorship laws

[@Optimus6128]

At least TempleOS was made by one person and dictated by God. No collusion there.

[@Sypaka]

Imagine god removing Terry from the maintainer list... wait.

[@BlindBosnian]

@@Sypaka :(

[@igorthelight]

@@Sypaka Yep! He did! xD

[@boggle37]

There's a new Iron Curtain an we're on the wrong side of it

[@KillerOKPlanet]

Yeah he was kicked off. This and a lot of other russian spies has been revealed and I think it's cool Linux will be more secure

[@legalize.brokkoli]

Does Steam/Proton work on BSD?

[@LtSich]

That's a good question... BSD is not very good for gaming atm for what I know... But I will take a look again...

[@deckard5pegasus673]

actually it does. It has a few issues to iron out, mostly with having new bug updates ported over.

[@Chidorin]

I hope so, but what I’ve seen is that freebsd porting projects abandoned after few years, and valve actively porting current proton to arm (guess for nvidia arm pc) so they either drop current workflow and switch to bsd or continue with current projects until successfull launches on new steamdecks, nvidia pcs etc

[@Tritibellum]

if i remember correctly, there are linux emulators, which someone used to play TF2 in freebsd.

[@francisquebachmann7375]

​@@LtSich the OS from PS3 is based on BSD so if you have thr skills you can make it happen.

[@stanmarsh512]

I'm confused about "the creator of Linux" statement, are we talking about the OS or the kernel? Torvald did not create the OS. He created the kernel which then integrated to the GNU, which created by Stallman. Just to be clear, the OS is called GNU/Linux. I know most people don't care about history, but a few do. I do. Nice vid btw.

[@cleverman383]

Has Stallman released a statement on all this?

[@gildedlink]

It's been a few centuries since this argument's debut and I prefer when Theseus was talking about a ship, much more straightforward. Linus created the engine that pulled together an equally ambitious set of tools to form a full operating system. He adapted and maintained that kernel, even though it had been largely meant to mimic another existing product, into a stable, reliable foundation for the gnu toolchain to rest on and keep developing. Today, a lot of distros exist that have tried to peel back away from GNU project components, gcc especially. You can take the gnu out of the linux, it has proven a lot harder to take the linux out of the gnu- if gnu maintainers don't like that, they should look into getting Hurd running outside of a VM where it has to talk to real hardware without the assistance of the penguin or the little devil. That this form of rhetorical protest continues to exist is a luxury afforded by the existence of...well, linux. Stallman made gcc with the help of several others he credited with its first release, but I don't see anyone playing this game in reverse, calling it 'Bell/GNU Compiler' to honor Dennis Ritchie's contribution of the entire source language that the compiler is reading.

[@manitoba-op4jx]

it's hardly his kernel, he's just the quality control. he stepped out of line, let's hope their replacements aren't woke

[@tom-hy1kn]

Linus copied the kernal, he didn't just think it up.

[@shaurz]

Linux is a kernel. There is no such OS as "Linux".

[@DivergentDroid]

Linux has become the monster it accused Microsoft of being. Time to get away from Linux.

[@rezah336]

to what?

[@happygofishing]

Linux was never based, GNU was based.

[@JamesSmith-ix5jd]

To where

[@Nnn-j7q]

🤡🤡

[@YellowCable]

we need an alternative

[@yooyo3d]

Linus went mega woke. What's next? Trans...?

[@joseoncrack]

As I explained in a previous comment, the Linux Foundation is headquartered in the USA and so they don't have a choice but strictly follow US sanctions. That's why the RISC-V foundation decided to move to Switzerland 5 years ago. They wanted a neutral ground, not to be bound by US politics. If the Linux foundation doesn't move out of the US (which I doubt they will, as they get a lot of funding from US companies), I'm pretty concerned the project may end up pretty badly. This may just be the beginning.

[@beginlinuxguru7354]

Good analysis, which I enjoyed. But. . . Fun fact: According to the U.S. Constitution, only Congress has the power to make law. So in reality, these presidential executive orders are null-and-void. If I were running a software project that involved Russian developers, I would ignore this executive order.

[@mechkg]

How do they even define "Russian"? The world has gone mad.

[@rabotash]

Good question, if any of USA located Russians were banned? Maybe not, they can sue in 'merica. So, wrong color of passport strikes again.

[@thrasosthrasos7353]

Despite all his achievements in the past, Linus should be replaced because he put politics over technical excellence.

[@raphaelkyembe4407]

Been a Linux based OS user for years thinking that my computer is not under the control of any government just to discover that my computer is under the control of us government

[@iRelevant.47.system.boycott]

Full spectrum dominance ... it is a bit bigger.

[@bobfruit7400]

the linux foundation is a joke thats made at the expense of open source

[@ArtemAleksashkin]

Linus said that all software developers - paid trolls. Even me, even you... everyone. Another rock solid person becomes soft as a cake.

[@ultralance]

I can forgive the banning of Russians in regards to Linux Foundation because they felt legally compelled to, but banning non-Russian users just for protesting goes against every meaning of the word freedom. Sickening.

[@aiverneverminder]

If they are legally compelled, then delete all their code from Kernel, because exactly coding service is sanctioned, not exact programmers))) but "surprise"...

[@Psyhister]

I’m not buying the compliance arguments. I’m a Russian citizen, working at Microsoft, on a product, used also by various governments, including US. I’m not physically in Russia, maybe this is the difference, but removing people’s names from history is a dick move regardless.