Who takes a chair backpacking?!?!

[@dakotaescher1]

If one can carry camera equipment, phones, chargers, drones, indiscriminate heavy junk foods, one can certainly carry a 1 lb chair.

[@dustyc324]

I carry a dutch hammock chair and a z seat. the hammock chair is also a tarp and a pack cover. it's under a pound and I can take a nap in it. it's not big enough to sleep overnight in. The tree straps weigh the most.

[@helpfulcommenter]

One cool thing about being a backpacker over the age of 40 who grew up backpacking before social media era, is that we don't have to give a fuck what people think about us or our gear. I'll carry a chair, wear pants, NOT wear hip trail runners, whatever the heck I want. After having gotten to know a lot of younger dudes in their 20s and even early 30s, who have never known a world without the social pressures and judgement of social media, who always seem super insecure about doing everything "right" as it's deemed the hip/cool/"correct" way to do it via social media influencers, I can honestly say I feel super sorry for them. It just seems so hard to be so hyper-concerned with your appearance and what other people might say about you. And the fact that "hustling" to have "sponsors" as an "influencer" in the world of outdoors/hiking/backpacking.... just boggles my mind - it really is so crass and gross. I can't even imagine what would feel like. Yep, being an old dude has it's benefits. I love my chair.

[@HikingwithGus]

Us "Seasoned" folks rule! Saunter on!

[@helpfulcommenter]

@@HikingwithGus Whoa my dog is named Gus

[@HikingwithGus]

@@helpfulcommenter Actually Gus is my Cattledog, my name is Len....

[@helpfulcommenter]

@@HikingwithGus whoa my dog is cattle dog German shepherd mix named Gus

[@nedanother9382]

Old guys are definitely cranky...I'm probably a bit older still...haven't hiked my whole life but lovin it now. The yipping and yapping here on social media I don't believe translates at all into reality. have you noticed any of this pressure or judgyness on trail? I'm going on 10 years now and I've never seen it. I hike primarily in the Sierra Nevada's and there is EVERYTHING there...rich, poor, sophisticated, dirtbags and everyone in between...everyone acts as one big family....which that and the unbelievable scenery is the very reason i backpack. I never feel judged and always feel welcome (lot of absolutes there) and supported. Where in this day and age can you still hitchhike and enjoy it. For the record this is the only good thing about California...but you all knew that

[@brianadventures9622]

One time while trying to lighten my pack I thought to myself, drop the chair that's an easy pound... The next hike after a rough 10 mile day and I popped that chair down and rested my back immediately changed my mind! Power to the chair!

[@nedanother9382]

you're all in the matrix! It's not too late....you can change. This isn't like being a Raider fan....it washes off.

[@aaronfuentes5919]

It's not enough, you need a highback chair now.. and an ottoman.

[@LAVA-el5yt]

I'm not anti-chair, but I have trained my body to be in the resting squat position. I'm in my 50s. it can take time to train this, but you can do it, too. Not only does it make it comfortable for me to sit in a sqat or on the ground, but the extra strength and flexibility in the hips are really important for all the hiking and climbing and mobility we need for backpacking. It's freedom.

[@helpfulcommenter]

I like to read on solo trips. Sitting in my chair and reading next to a creek in the middle of the wilderness, is one of the best reasons to carry a chair.

[@kentwood9821]

Agreed, I like to read and just enjoy the site. I'm not a through hiker though, rarely out for more than a couple days at a time.

[@mikeroy6713]

That was impressive, and I’m not talking about the chair. Your dramatic water filtering frustration in those B-roll clips was superb. You have true infomercial grade acting chops!

[@miken1463]

I use a basic stadium chair. 1 pound. I eat breakfast lunch and dinner in the chair and work the stove and filter water and just chill. My back loves the rocking and it also can fold out flat and then I use it for some pre-hike yoga stretches. Knees to chest etc.

[@lupine6828]

Just did a 90 mile backpacking trip. So happy I brought a chair. The extra pound is totally worth the weight! It is just nice to have back support during breaks.

[@Shane7492]

I wouldn't criticize anyone taking a chair, but I prefer a lightweight hammock. Not quite as quick and easy to setup, but it's the most comfortable, imo.

[@EATENG]

First backpacking trip ever, my gf and I both brought a Z Seat butt pad thinking that's what real backpackers used. Almost everyone else brought camp chairs. NGL, I found myself sneaking a sit whenever there was an open seat. On the drive home, we stopped by an REI just to look around. The camp-chair gods must have been smiling as there was a 30% off sale on the REI flexlite air, so we both bought one. Never looked back.

[@tommybewick]

You've become a true Schill Brothers convert! I love my helinox chair and won't hike without it! Thank you Schill brothers outdoors!

[@chriseidam7319]

Pro-chair if I am socializing. No-chair if I am solo. I can pack in the tent. HIKER HACK: Go to your friendly bike shop and ask them to give you four of the black, plastic wheel/hub/lug/QR protectors that come on a new, boxed bike. It would provide a round base for each chair leg, each approximately 3" in diameter. They throw them away all day. Then your chair legs will not sink.

[@nedanother9382]

Stop encouraging them! ....cool hack though

[@chriseidam7319]

@@nedanother9382 Thanks. Happy Earth Day.

[@ryankeane8072]

Hike your own hike, of course. I tried taking a sit pad and realized I just always forgot to take it out when I would sit on rock and logs during the day. So I don’t think I would ever think to set up a chair at stops. But now that I’ve switched from tarp/tent to hammock, I always look forward to sitting and laying in my hammock, and I have occasionally set it up mid day if I’m going to take a longer break.

[@kentwood9821]

Hammocks are great that way.

[@jonwilson6451]

The groundsheet made for the Chair Zero adds substantial weight but neutralizes concerns w/ use on soft surfaces like sand/snow and alleviates the need to be cautious and balance while settling into the chair

[@lakorai2]

Weighs less than the ball feet, but about the same as the Chair Buddies

[@aaronfuentes5919]

I sink my chair reclined back & kick my feet up, easy to find foot rest when lower to ground. I get excited when I can sink my chair.

[@RyanSchell]

I 3D printed little spheres that go on the feet of me chair zero to help from sinking in. But the UL method I think is what Mr. Backpacking with Jason recommends, putting a small log under the chair the same direction as the cross bar. The plastic joints then kind of rest on the log.

[@marycarter6186]

Kong makes dog-mouth sized tennis balls that work perfectly for end caps on the metals legs; just cut a hole in each one and slip on. I have an all-terrain chair now.

[@BurroGirl]

Love your humor and your honesty. I think it's absolutely a personal preference re bringing the chair, to each his own, live and let live.

[@Mike___Kilo]

Great point about using the chair for organization!

[@mikejordan9220]

I usually carry my chair zero. I plan on hiking the Smokies this summer and I’m sitting on the fence whether or not to take it for the 75 mile trip.

[@DrofJustice]

Love my chair zero. Never go without. Made all the difference on our super rainy trip this week. Sitting under a hammock tarp together, enjoying life, making coffee, leaning back.

[@slickwillie3376]

I like the mod some KZbinr did, replacing his Alice pack frame with a chair. About the same weight as the frame. Works just as well.

[@denniskuenze659]

As the saying goes, “ Hike your own hike “. Do what makes you happy and comfortable.

[@StevenS.lovetorun]

As always Bryce I appreciate the content. I absolutely love having a chair for camp but wish I had the chair zero instead of the Trekology. Pro’s for Trek is it is less then half the price of Helonox but it’s twice the weight. I make it up by going super light hammock, tarp and other luxury items. But I won’t do no chair unless it’s a place where I know there will be comfy seats….which is nowhere.

[@macavera]

Groundsheet for chair is great for both soft soil and snow.

[@hosank]

I'm just glad that Kyle has been out here long enough to finally become someone else's Dan Becker.

[@nedanother9382]

He's neither tall enough or pretty enough to be Dan Becker....but he is a good punching bag.

[@thereconrigger4956]

I love my camp chair, I've actually been using a new tigres chair that I got for 30 bucks, it weighs 2-lbs, but I been using it to make my pack a bit heavier for distance training, I have a chair zero too, which I would normally bring, I have horrible neck and back problems and after hiking all day, nothing beats a nice chair to take a load off. Tree stumps are not comfortable, and kill my back, the support I get from sitting in a chair makes it way easier to do more miles the next day. Even taking a lunch break and busting out a chair, it rests your back soo much so when u get back to hiking you feel great and not all cramped or hunched up.

[@aaronfuentes5919]

Try half inflated pillow vertical, for lumbar.

[@nemo6365]

A chair is a must for me it helps so much with my neck and shoulders to be able to have something to sit up straight n comfy in!

[@ZammisHolc]

I pack ultralightlight and I've always debated taken this on trips. But the ability to relax after a long day of hiking makes it worth it on the knees and back.

[@lennynichols6809]

I agree. I am pro chair. Since I have gotten my total pack weight down to about 23 lbs, including food and a liter of water, it is worth it to me to add the Chair 1. I like to relax in camp for a while in the evening and in the mornings. I also find myself setting it up for lunch breaks. I carry it either strapped to the top of my pack or in a big side pocket for quick access.

[@nedanother9382]

You have the only good argument for a chair here. Because you have worked your kit to death....I have also gotten down, while still taking everything, to that same weight....only I'll brag mine includes a bear can. Seems anything above that means I'm taking too much. I can do mountain miles all day at those weights...but I can't take a chair. Cheers

[@SpacialMeg]

I love that 5 in 1 picture behind you! You are not old, just ask your kids, they will know

[@justjonoutdoors]

Too luxurious? Too comfortable? Any idiot can be miserable. Some of us are smart enough to make the effort to be comfortable.

[@kyle-mb1ij]

I have one of those little stools. I think thats the best option if youre contemplating chair or no chair. It can fit into the water bottle holder on your bag. It’s instantly ready. Great when you’re filtering water, cooking, putting on your shoes, etc.

[@susanlindson]

Love my Big Agnes Skyline UL chair. Although heavier than a Chair Zero, it is very stable and comfy, even with a wide backside. I made my own ground mat to keep it stable on mushy gourd, but will be visiting a local bike store to score some free hub protectors as suggested by Chris E.

[@michelstronguin6974]

I use the crazy creek chair, that way I can relax my back while sitting inside the tent. Sitting outside in the chair zero has 2 problems for me, one is that you have cold air under you, and two is bugs, when you are not moving and its getting to that time when you are at camp, the mosquitos eat you up. Better to get in your shelter, have a warm pad under you, while reclining in your crazy creek imo. Even if you are with friends outside, you can use the crazy creek.

[@TheNypenfan]

For me it all depends on what type of trip. If I’m spending a longer time at camp, I bring the chair….if I’m hiking all day, I leave it at home. I also haven’t popped on a helinox….my chair weighs 2lbs.

[@TimeOuttotheTrail]

I don’t have a helinox but I love my backpacking chair. It depends on the trip on whether or not I take it. A weekend trip in Ohio, I’m going to take it and a flask. A several day trip on the Foothills trail or hiking the VA Triple Crown, it’s a no for me. I use mine for organization when repacking as well.

[@FlatOutFE]

Crazy Creek. It's a chair, part of my sleep system, and functions as a splint if something really bad happens.

[@paavoviuhko7250]

I have a Helinox 0 but so far it's just been sitting in my bedroom. But I have another Helinox that I've had for about five years and it stays in the bush permanently. I base camp. And I like having back support and it's great for doing my cooking. I've fallen off it a couple of times when the back legs have dug into the ground. I've even lost one of the plastic leg fixtures from getting the legs buried too deep in the soil.

[@lakorai2]

Got the Helinox Chair Zero Highback. Totally worth the weight.

[@CBne1997]

I use a 1/8 foam pad (MLD) folded a time of two under my chair zero. It help to keep it from sinking in soft soil. I take the pad anyway for stretching and for quick breaks, so it’s multi purpose.

[@trailheadjunkie]

The first 30 second of this video reminded me of my first backpacking trip lol

[@ItsAdventureTime1]

Chair makes a great side table for a hammock setup.

[@ellerybice3787]

Leading by sitting, that’s brilliant!

[@DoseofDirt]

Took my heavy 2lb chair on a trip recently and it was a game changer. But 2lb is just a bit heavy if I'm going to be doing any mileage worth mentioning. A Chair Zero is definitely in my future and will probably come on all but the fastest/lightest trips. You just can't beat having a place to sit your but down and truly relax!

[@easyshutt]

I hiked with a two person four and a half pound tent for two nights and sat on the cold wet ground in October. It was still a great trip. Not long after I dropped that tent for a single person one pound tent I took the weight savings and bought a chair. I will probably never backpack without it. It improves camp life that much.

[@lyndsaycollins6468]

The chair is a non-negotiable for multi-day trips. The lounge vibes are too good. But I’m considering BTR stool for hunting trips when I’m leaning forward while glassing often.

[@Mike___Kilo]

Love my Helinox. And I'm happy with my 25 pound base weight, although that would be too much for through hiking.

[@christopherbishop6767]

I take a chair, a tarp AND a small table. I don't do many miles, but I don't care. Protection from the rain/wind and comfort. So much more relaxing to actually make dinner and nothing has sand in it. If it rains, bust out the candle lantern on the table and play cards under the tarp. Might as well relax and enjoy it.

[@doubledsinthewild1855]

I have the big Agnes stool, and I like it. Also looking at the BTR stool

[@pdx_polymath581]

We seem to have similar styles….. most of my gear, or maybe all of it at this point, is ultralight. I always bring my chair! Most of my trips are between 1 and 4 nights and at the end of the day, it’s worth it to me to have it. If I we’re going to do a several month long through hike, it might be worth not bringing. But I’ll make that choice if I ever get that option. So if you’re an idiot, clearly I am too .

[@JonathanThrift]

Best chair video ever! I laughed so much at this! I use the helinox chair zero as well and I agree 💯

[@csamons0935]

Love my chair! Bought a custom dyneema storage bag to match my pack. I'm not good with sitting or sleeping on the ground. That's another positive, saves the back, knees and hips.

[@neekyme76]

I've eyed up chairs, but the cost isn't in the budget right now. Plus, I'm a hammocker, so I'm usually lounging in that at camp. It would be nice to have a comfortable spot close to the fire though. I think it would be worth a pound of weight

[@ChristopherMarshburn]

Also a chair skeptic. Tbh the Chair Zero didn’t look that comfortable. But the new Helinox High Back totally does. And for weekend trips I think the extra 8 oz would be totally worth it.

[@jeffreycarman2185]

For me, it’s more of a question of having the gear. Years ago when I backpacked more I had all the stuff. I’m just now trying to re-acquire the gear I need and a chair is super low on the priority list. I need a new sleeping pad first…

[@kentwood9821]

I have a little LLBean chair, a cheaper option but with rounded cups on the feet, weighs in at over 2 lbs. Worth its weight in gold unless you're really looking to go lean. With the pointier legs of the Helinox, bring your old sit pad and put it on top of that.

[@brentonjones788]

Last year I did a solo and my goal was to see how light I could go and the chair didn’t make the cut. Never regretted it more than when two guys showed up to share the site and they busted out a couple of chairs.

[@nedanother9382]

Like strangers with candy in their pockets. Never give up, never surrender. A good sit pad or the 1/8" roll pad is SOOOO much better and more versatile.

[@jott1883]

Totally agree on the chair. Regardless I carry one of those Sawyer squeeze to bottle couplings they only weigh 1 oz

[@CastawayHikes]

Check out the Dutchware hammock chair in Cloud 71. It weighs less than 3 oz, and with my MYOG straps it weighs 5.9oz. It is way lighter and way more comfortable

[@dustyc324]

that's what I rock. hammock chair, pack cover, tarp. the tree straps weigh more than the whoopie slings and material. I love a nap in the hammock chair. also use it to cook on a stove. only downside is can't always put it where you want it. doesn't always work. it's still my backup tarp. good for setting up tent in the rain. enough coverage to get the rain fly on before it gets soaked.

[@m.hernandez1404]

I take my CZ with me on all my day hikes and I always use it when I take a break. I also have a Trekology chair that I keep in the car. The chair does have some cons: price, weight, bulk. You need a pretty level surface but you can put some rocks under the feet to level it. It can sink in soft ground. I bought the "Chair Buddies", little support booties for the chair legs that you just snap in place. Well, that's more cost, weight, and bulk but worth it to me. The chair is so light, that it can get blown away so you have to put something on it. As far as pros: Comfort. Mobility also, you can put the chair where you want like facing the sunrise/sunset. Can't do that with a log. Keeps you off cold, wet, hard ground. So for a thru/section hike probably not. For a day or multiday hike, oh yes. Thanks for listening to my TED talk.

[@tj_hikes]

First of all that intro was gold lol. I carry the chair on overnights or only a couple nights but longer trips I leave it home. Ill be carrying it when when we do the three ridges loop next weekend but when we go to the whites in June the chair is not coming most likely because ill be tired enough to just lay down at the end of the day haha.

[@williekenk]

Haven’t tried it on a full backpacking trip yet, but I fully intend to take my Nemo Moonlite on future trips. Weighs more than the Chair Zero, but I found it much more comfortable.

[@Jasiel.95]

How are you liking it? I wanted that one for the reclining but kinda said nah and I’m going to get the helinox because I’d save a pound. How do you like it?

[@williekenk]

@@Jasiel.95 I’m a big fan! I still use it regularly and I find it more comfortable than a lot of full size camp/outdoor chairs. I totally get wanting to save the weight, but for me this is something I simply wouldn’t go without. I haven’t tried the Helinox XL, but that’s the only thing I’ve seen that feels like a realistic alternative for me.

[@dkthegamer23]

Trekology has a 2 pack backpacking chairs for $60-$70 ive seen good reviews it packs small been thinking about getting them for me and my gf

[@61shotbeehive]

Bringing your chair is a perfect practice in "delayed gratification"

[@KingJamez76]

I have the ground adapter for the chair zero. It works great. But add like half a pound. But I think it's worth the weight.

[@johnderhovansian8733]

First off, love your vids and vibe Re: chair, one would be awesome on a weekender and probably incredible on a multi-week trip, but I'd rather carry a pound of whiskey.

[@CDAFishboy]

My chair weighs 1 lb. I can lose a lb of fat to make up the difference. National parks may have logs cut flat for benches, but alpine places in wilderness areas have no logs to sit on. I am 62 and these old bones and joints ache. I use the chair while I blow up my pad. While I eat, tie my shoes, just sit there relaxing for 30 min is great. And like you I put stuff on the chair as I am loading, emptying my tent and keep stuff dry. A decent pillow (3 Oz), thick pad, chair, and a Nikon SLR are my luxury items.

[@btrswt35]

It's actually rather surprising how few things there are to sit down on in the woods. Then trying to find something dry or not dirty makes it even more difficult. A chair or stool is almost a necessity.

[@helpfulcommenter]

You know the lids of Ruffles potato chip tubes? Keep a couple in your pack to stick under the soft spot under the chair foot - i keep a few inside the Helinox Zero stuff sack - they don't even register on my scale so I don't know what they weigh. (I got this idea because I carry an empty tuna can in my motorcycle pannier for parking the bike and putting under the kickstand in soft ground, a common trick.) (You can also cut the bottom out of the tube so you have a little rim around it... but that will get beat up pretty quick.) Just don't leave them behind when you pack up.

[@tylerhaney7389]

Love the shirt. Did the Loop Lope last fall 🤙🏻

[@jacobyoung4835]

Ive never used a chair or thought about it until now. Because I typically have a hammock sleep system. I just sit back in that and relax. I also primarily solo pack and just reduce my weight not weighting any items. Im out there to enjoy the hike and camping. That being said Im 43 and want to reduce my weight now to optimize my hiking enjoyment.

[@donmatulevich9411]

Depends on the trip. If I'm crushing miles and won't be sitting around camp I never take it. I can sit in the hammock and lounge.

[@nickwoo2]

I have a crazy creek chair. It's a chair and if my pad pops it can be a backup torso pad.

[@josiebones1]

I am of the opinion that we should have a luxury or two on the trail. It's great for moral. I don't do a fancy camera or extra "junk" food so for me it's an UL chair and a nip or two (or three), both of which barely affect my hiking time but enhance my non hiking time immensely.

[@SinchuwusOutside]

I've got the Chair Zero and love it! It's perfect for around the fire after a day of hiking. Plus it's the perfect height for when you set your "beverage" down. Thanks for your video, always very entertaining!! -dave

[@TylerCampbellOutdoors]

I can definitely see the benefits of the chair. I typically use a 1/8 inch foam sleep pad as a multi use item (under my inflatable pad, relaxing, gear organization, back panel, etc) and another lightweight sit pad. I have an older, yet heavier rei chair so usually don't take it. May need to invest in a Chair Zero. I'm definitely more of a "comfortable while hiking" guy. Good discussion.

[@freeheel748]

I found that when sitting in the chair cooking etc I didn't lean back very often. I now just bring a little stool at 9 oz.

[@elizabethingram9784]

Total backpacker problems. You’re a great salesman!

[@mireilledionne218]

I have realised that when used on a soft soil,.the legs of the chairs are going in the soil and makes a a hole in it which sort of make it 😣

[@helpfulcommenter]

there's a few workarounds for this... especially if you don't mind carrying a little extra weight. You know the lids of Ruffles potato chip tubes? Keep a couple in your pack to stick under the soft spot under the chair foot. (You can also cut the bottom out of the tube so you have a little rim around it... but that will get beat up pretty quick.)

[@justjonoutdoors]

When I ran in to Root & Greenhorn (AT class of 2021) out in the Shenandoah, Root stated he never went anywhere without his chair and Greenhorn said his base weight started with his chair! As for the tiny feet sinking in, I picked up a set of “Chair Buddies” for my Helinox Chair Zero, and find them very useful in semi-soft ground.

[@BryceNewbold]

Chair buddies. Nice I don't think I've seen those

[@justjonoutdoors]

@@BryceNewbold OK - again my reply has disappeared - did you delete it, or is YT moderating me somehow?

[@toesockoutdoors3627]

Although I can’t set it up right next to the fire pit, my hammock is the best chair. Especially when it’s pouring rain and I have it in porch mode and all the tenters are stuck inside their claustrophobic tents

[@nathanielpoulin7728]

For me unless I am planning a lot of camp time, I always regret the chair. Sits low, sinks. If I want to break I lay down with feet up

[@alexwbanks70]

I always take my chair zero. The only time I might not is if I'm solo and taking the hammock instead of the tent. My back needs one or the other.

[@BryceNewbold]

The older we get the chair becomes essential!

[@jasonb4738]

I carry a small chair. Back issues. I’ll ditch a tent and use a tarp. I’m that guy you pass sittin over right off the trail. 🤣

[@alzheimersadventureforacur7536]

Well, I’m a Canoe Adventurer. So i take what ever I want. Unless I have a portage , weight makes no matter. With that being said , this will be the first year that I have a lite weight chair and cot. Normally , I’d have to carry the heavier versions..Not Now. It’s Helinox time. Picking up the chair and cot next month

[@RegrettablyLongwinded]

Been eyeing a Chair Zero or maybe a High back for a while, but that's a hard price to justify for myself who only does a few trips a year. I did grab a couple ZSeat knockoffs for Dolly Sods this year; last time I went, some butt padding was the only thing I missed on those rock chairs and couches.

[@nedanother9382]

I feel like its important that you get over your justification issues and just get the chair lest you put a wrinkle in the justification matrix that the rest of us live in. We all do just a few trips a year and I have been justifying my NEEDS nicely for years. It's not even about you really....thats the excuse....it's for the rest of us....you're so benevolent. Get the chair and become One of Them.

[@cavtroop50]

I have not tried to take a chair yet but I am game to try.

[@BackpackingwithBuckley]

That intro though....🤣🤣

[@Jasiel.95]

Outro was hilarious

[@arttapia7392]

Uso mi silla todo el tiempo. Incluso en ALTA MONTAÑA EN VOLCANES DE MEXICO. Amo mi silla. El peso en alta montaña es importantísimo pero el descanso lo vale. Saludos amigo desde CDMX

[@Love2Wander]

always carry a chair 1.5LBS and a Table 1.0LBS best thing ever.

[@Codebravo0514]

One extra pound is nothing. I rather have the comfort at camp.

[@malikhaidar]

I bring a chair whenever there is a water source near the campground. Basically trading water weight to luxury items.

[@edk8493]

I added wiffle golf balls to the feet of my chair zero which keeps it from sinking in soft ground with minimal additional weight

[@natelittle6350]

"It's not about the butt" - B. Newbold

[@MyLifeOutdoors]

Wow 171 comments in less than 24 hours! Goes to show how opinionated this topic is! But Great video! Very balanced. I actually like the fact that the legs sink into the ground. Anytime I use the chair on uneven ground I can sink the legs to still find a comfortable position. Never had my cross bar snap. I’ll send you one of my Take a Seat shirts if you will wear it in a video? 😉

[@phishermonjon]

You ever try a tripod stool with telescope legs? Very light wieght just no back support

[@mandywilleford8697]

I always take my chair. And it’s 2 lbs! it has bigger feet on it so it doesn’t sink in to soft ground. My husband takes the stansport stool and I know it’s not comfortable lol. But pretty sure it doesn’t weight much less if at all than the helinox

[@cliffspicer6555]

All great points and I do more moto camping than hiking but I am working on changing that this year. It's easy to pack a small chair in my pannier and I would miss it so much when I got to camp if I didn't have it. Here is a questions maybe you can help me with. The chair I currently have is the same style as yours, but it's basically a store brand (MEC same as REI) and it is much heavier and I have been using it for years but I get it is not a good one to take hiking and it is ready to be replaced anyway. The issue for me is those Helinox chairs like the zero are crazy expensive. Can you suggest an alternative to it that even if it was 2 pounds I don't need to use my line of credit to buy it? The most I see me hiking as I get more into this is 4-5 hrs in a day for 1-3 days so no big thru hikes for me in the near future. You did nail the one thing I hate about the chair and that it sinks into most ground surfaces and I wish they made something that goes on the feet like the snow attachment for the bottom of my hiking poles. Love your channel and laid back approach.

[@rodrev_hiking6757]

Found out in iceland you dont need one , you are only allowed to camp on offocial campspots which always have benches etc. In Norway and Sweden its the "Allmansrätten" - Right of Everyone - which allowes you to Camp anywhere you want just need 100m distance to next house . There i take a Chair since i Camp in the middle of nowhere and dont want to sit in Wet Grass . 1lb chair Zero is Not much . Also i left UL and for example Switched my Neoair Uberlite out for 3x the Weight Sea to Summit Etherlight . I want to go Light , Not ultralight

[@jazzwyld1]

Camp shoes + chair - all the time!