👿 BSD is SO much better than Linux! But ...

No really.
#linux #unix #bsd

[@awa0927]

The chaos and tribalism of Linux is tiring though. BSD can be a really nice escape from all that.

[@DavidCohen-ux8tz]

Debian very stable !

[@awa0927]

@@DavidCohen-ux8tz Not on my laptop. Debian 12 broke on my laptop after 10 months of use. Broke from a simple update.

[@doomnationalist]

If you think BSD is all smiles and kisses you haven't been in the community for long lol

[@awa0927]

@@doomnationalist I never said anything about BSD systems being "smiles and kisses". Just saying it might be a breath of fresh air after distro hopping in Linux.

[@henrymoss2366]

BSD communities are worse, they are "communities" with a shitty elitism, and they are not very collaborative among themselves. Linux is more versatile in server/desktop. It is more useful to learn Linux than an irrelevant system like *BSD.

[@XShentoX]

PlayStation operating system is a modified version of FreeBSD

[@rishirajsaikia1323]

So is nintendo !

[@nelxcix]

So as Mac OS. Like what the guy on the video said.

[@gevermelch]

תנדור על זה​@@nelxcix

[@mawi2815]

@@nelxcixMac os just take some userland tools from FreeBSD, but it’s kernel and most other libraries and stuff are completely Apple and not related to BSD

[@Cmdrbzrd]

@@rishirajsaikia1323 no(only networking stack)

[@markvincent6275]

BSD = Berkeley Software Distribution

[@stubaccount]

nobody cares

[@xbmarx]

I worked for an Erlang shop that was all FreeBSD. FreeBSD uses kqueue for IO multiplexing and is (or was at the time) much more efficient than anything Linux supported (epoll). It was kind of amazing that Erlang handled IO so well that the OS itself became the bottleneck!

[@ohdude6643]

Wow! That's crazy

[@henrymoss2366]

FreeBSD is so efficient that its developers use Macs and develop FreeBSD from virtual machines running on macOS. 😂

[@TuroM618]

FreeBSD has contributed to so many projects out there. it might not be for the host of this video, but just seems more structured. it does have some limitations in terms of hardware, but you roll what is available if that fits the bucket.

[@henrymoss2366]

@@TuroM618 I don't deny the contribution of some BSD projects, but the contribution is not something exclusive to BSD, many Linux projects, companies and other communities have made contributions. All Unix-like systems have similar structures. BSD doesn't just have some hardware limitations, it has many.

[@DV-ml4fm]

Linux is more usable as a desktop. It supports more hardware and web browsers plugins.

[@garanceadrosehn9691]

Hmm. Checking the source repository, FreeBSD had 'mkdir -p' back in version 2.0.5, which was released in 1995. And I'm pretty sure it had the option before that. Just when was the last time you "checked out FreeBSD"?

[@ahettinger525]

"Nobody uses it" someone should tell the BSD jails call regulars. Bhyve is also quite nice. While it's going to depend on your BSD, all of your complaints about "not being POSIX" is actually places that it's _following_ POSIX (and just not true). All of the niceties of VIM are not required by POSIX (although vim is available on at least FreeBSD) POSIX does not require a '-i' option on sed. (although the sed in FreeBSD does support it) mkdir _is_ required to support '-p', and does in FreeBSD, at least. Personally I like Illumos-based (the Solaris fork) systems better (if I don't need a desktop), but we have a good working relationship with our BSD friends.

[@classicrockonly]

Ooo another Illumos user. I’m still learning to migrate my FreeBSD server to SmartOS :)

[@smorrow]

Plan 9 has mkdir -p

[@sdhute]

Ran BSD on all my dns and web servers back in 1999. Back then it just worked better than Linux.

[@sfuoncall]

I use FreeBSD for my internet servers. Better security. Smaller amount of servers out there running FreeBSD therefore hackers don't have as many tools to break into the server.

[@henrymoss2366]

That can be done with Linux and much better.

[@furtivedolus2504]

Yes I too wish to return to 2013 levels of hardware support Linux had for my primary OS.

[@steveoc64]

Jails - "Nobody uses it" ... hmmm Well researched video !

[@seedney]

Well... It's simplification - but it's not that well known to be used by big organizations... But... Netflix runs on BSD - and I think that they can have usecase with jails also... We didn't have knowledge - everyone I know writes about linux stuff, not BSD "how to"...

[@predragmiletic3078]

you can tell he never tried any of the bsd's.

[@adammontgomery7980]

"Berkeley systems development" says it all lol

[@josmoify]

@@adammontgomery7980 hah, he douched it ...didn't even attempt to correct that one .

[@alexandruc.5128]

The xc project made containers work on freebsd, natively.

[@danilodistefanis5990]

I stopped watching at Berkeley Systems Development😅

[@manemobiili]

Bhyve and VMM are pretty good options - but lately i've been using Incus and it gets the job done. For desktop applications linux is ahead but for researchers BSD fits the bill.

[@sercascade]

switching from linux to bsd today!! mostly for my school laptop but its possible it will be perminant

[@seedney]

I really like pledge, unveil, and pf firewall on openbsd... Wish to have something like that on RHEL out of the box...

[@derhorst1398]

Nobody uses jails? OK, then I'm the only one who uses jails...

[@henrymoss2366]

Who uses FreeBSD jails if Linux has Docker, LXC, podman, openVZ, systemd-nspawn, firejail, chroot. Seriously man, do you run FreeBSD jails? 😂

[@derhorst1398]

@@henrymoss2366 Yes, seriously I use jails for any services reachable directly from internet: Squid, Apache, Bind and some more running in securelevel 3 and it works fine. (Sorry, my english is not so good)

[@happygofishing]

openbsd is the best bsd.

[@StaffyDoo]

"so much better"... ALLOW ME TO LAUGH MY ASS OFF 🤣🤣🤣

[@henrymoss2366]

🤣🤣🤣

[@classicrockonly]

mkdir -p exists in the BSDs and so does sed -i, but the latter involves adding an extra - in there somewhere. Linux does not accomplish what i want, except for more headaches. So I will not run Linux unless a specific program I need requires Docker…and dayjob is an Ubuntu shop. But we have introduced FreeBSD boxes for a couple places because it does it better than Linux and is worth it. Heck, I’m about to turn my server to Solaris soon (SmartOS, exactly). IMO, in terms of features, I think Linux has been playing catchup with the BSDs and Solaris, it’s just that it has the hive mind to push it that way

[@NitroNilz]

Hooray for mentioning an illumos (forked from OpenSolaris) distribution! Even "better" than the BSDs from an enterprise perspective.

[@classicrockonly]

@@NitroNilz I’ve really come to like Illumos. It should get more recognition. I should have called SmartOS Illumos from the start but sometimes I think people know the name Solaris before they know Illumos :)

[@condemned77]

What was the name of the twitch streamer mentioned? I did not get the name.

[@nonholographic]

"Lastmiles"

[@texasrob2782]

you need to adjust your sound levels, the audio is low and muffled

[@elalemanpaisa]

FreeBSD ist not Unix - it does not hold it's trademarks. Windows perhaps the biggest (yea i know) posix compliant OS... Linux neither is Unix nor Posix compliant.

[@drumitar]

do people run docker on bsd ?

[@artifactingreality]

just a bunch of ignorant opinions

[@sperrfeuer4158]

”most of the time when people say containers in 2024 it’s synonymous with LXC” literally couldn’t be more incorrect. 99% of people are referring to “docker containers” or more generally OCI containers which LXC certainly is not. LXC containers are “os containers” much like jails which is nothing like what most people mean when they say containers. please don’t speak with certainty about stuff you don’t even understand the basics of. and yeah sure “nobody” uses jails but that’s also true for bsd which “nobody” uses in relative terms but if you actually knew what you were talking about you could mention some of the pros and cons instead as to why people might be using it, one of many examples is the fact that jails can have completely separate network stacks

[@ByteMeCompletely]

FreeBSD 14.1 won't open x11 on my brand new GMKtek K8 with 780M graphics. rtw88 WiFi driver would associate on 14.1-release, but won't on 14.1-stable. I have NEVER had audio out of HDMI on my Intel i3,i7 systems. None of these issues appear with Mint or Neon.

[@yusef3132]

It's working on FreeBSD 15-CURRENT with DRM-61-KMOD. On 14* there was a problem with the linux kmod drivers. As far as HDMI audio with i3, i5 and i7 intel, I dont know what to tell you, other than that I've never had an issue with HDMI (audio, intel, etc)

[@lucerodj11]

you need to install the drivers manually

[@ByteMeCompletely]

Linux routes sound from the audio driver to the video driver causing sound to come out of the HDMI cable. FreeBSD can't. This affects ALL i3, i5, i7, i9 systems. FreeBSD can't even support x11 on my GMKtec K8 with Radeon 780M graphics. Linux Mint does.

[@yusef3132]

Your doing too much. There is nothing wrong with HDMI on FreeBSD. Your Radeon works with FBSD 15 as of February 2024. Stick with Linux. Your best bet. But please, stop spreading misinformation. 🙄

[@elsuperpollo2273]

I just want a easy od that ain't gonna let companies like big tech and microsoft including mac looking at my sh** bad enough four letter agencies do. I use q4os linux I just not happy how linux became more like Microsoft or mac reporting or log keying yout data.

[@stubaccount]

it's trash)