BSJ gets griefed in a smurf game?!?!

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[@cajeb5396]

Definitely looks accurate to the bracket. Especially Doom getting farmed enough to maybe win but messing up the team fights lmao

[@tamasdukan1495]

This is how i felt as well, the game felt too familiar, including the mess ups in the fights, because I'm not perfect either, and that makes these games basically unwinnable. Except it's not the hotkeys that have the issue but my fingers or my brain.

[@OmegaLeseante]

Perfect

[@MyWatermelonz]

Definitely looking closer to a real pub lol. Point being everyone lost their lanes pretty much, flaming started, and the feeding never stops when the other team snowballs.

[@siavashabdoli]

Yeah these new ones are showing actually two points. first of all that when people saying they are losing because of random stuff it's true and you can't always say but it's your problem,. second I think some it could be possible that some more risk taking help for comeback. bsj playing like the enemy team gonna react in good way but lots of time they don't so you may get better result with playing more risky but you can't say always.

[@caioferrer4439]

I've watched dozens of smurf videos. This connects with my pub experience in a really rare special way. Looks a lot like a griefed pub witch you'll never watch in common pro players videos/streaming. Great job. I also believe that this connects to a cope streamers always hear. Something about "your high bracket game looks nothing like my pub, therefore, you can't really help me".

[@TheKicerK]

Windranger did really well playing the role of that one teammate that never shuts up. Respect

[@prdelmasaknadlik2004]

I hope wr just being toxic on purpose. If not another braindead toxic noob.

[@Gentmatable]

Not really , in real game windraanger would blame doom all the game . they blame the best player for farming and not joining every single stupid fight . they dont understand split pusbing and they report doom all of them end game

[@straightforward5724]

Holy sht I had stopped watching these educational smurfs precisely because of this, remember that WK game where you died once early game and your team's enigma tried to take your pos1 spot by griefing your jungle and your lanes, forcing you to invade the enemy team's etc. That was really good, glad you adapted these ones too 👍. Edit: Went to back to the playlist to check, and it's educational smurf Ep.12 for whomever wants to watch it.

[@m1ke896]

Thanks for pointing that out. I'll check it out.

[@croatoan-t-g]

i think u missed the point on how educational smurf works these days

[@Shelby1135]

Could you link directly to it please?

[@straightforward5724]

@@Shelby1135 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mp62m4Cemsybl68

[@1fka7a]

I'd say the most authentic griefing experiecne for me as pos 1 is when my 5 just stays behind me at full HP and mana leeching XP and pulling when he shouldn't, resulting in the lane equilibrium going bad because if it.

[@BenSilver10]

Also, pos5 usually has happy feet. they see you having a good lane and decide to gank out of nowhere.

[@Shellll]

This is hardly "griefing". Sounds like a lack of skill

[@BenSilver10]

@@Shellll doing nothing is more than a lack of skill, imo.

[@andrzejkrainski8735]

BSJ finally noticed how every single game looks like in 3-4k bracket

[@cornedenecker1636]

It's ridiculous. I said this on one of his videos and people said it's my fault and my mentality and blah blah. It just doesn't matter how hard you try. Last night I lost 8 games in a row. Mmr grieved into the ground. Its just a clown show really.

[@el33tkrew]

@@cornedenecker1636the rule is lose 2 in a row, quit for the day

[@cornedenecker1636]

@@el33tkrew starting to believe that more and more pal

[@holohulolo]

​@@cornedenecker1636literally in every dota video in KZbin. You post some comment and you're at most 2-3k or less and there are these people who are " high ranking" not even sure if it's a 2.8k mmr saying noob 2k or ancient and above high mmr saying noob 2k and they would say that, that if they smurf they will keep winning. Its bs. I mean bsj rank is probably higher than most of these commentors and he recognizes hes struggling. This is good, but I'm not sure if non of them know if hes in the game as in bsj a smurf is in ur game even if you dont know you're winning or losing or how exactly he ask these people to play like pub. Because in a real toxic pub which is more than 90% of the game especially in s.e.a believe me, someone would start pinging and calling bsj a noob. I mean sure he can just mute them, but I'm sure hes affected by it before he mutes them. In pubs there are always those teammate tha immediately looks for teammate to blame as soon as they die. Like, " no wards" or " your just watching" even when their death is totally their fault or even after you warn them to not go there. There also the kidn where everything seems to be going fine and one of the twamtes are being toxic to the other and cause him to grief and even though hes been playing well he suddenly decides to grief and not join fight. And these happen way more often than people might think. I'm sure bsj find playing in his bracket difficult but playing in low mmr is a different kind of difficult. Also I'm not sur eif he let's them pick whatever they want and maybe even chooses the hero he had to play. That would be more authentic too. Be ause bet smurf that are stomping the low mmr only plays a few hero they know are effective against them.

[@cornedenecker1636]

@@holohulolo you mad bro haha?

[@Alex-wh3zw]

this happens a lot in 2-3k games, so I'm glad you got it covered.

[@hehenoelo4858]

Its not true, in 2-3k nobody jungles, but he was in 1,4k team so maybe they jungle in that bracket.

[@Olemann4444]

@@hehenoelo4858 400mmr here no jungling

[@theohaukes767]

It just hurts that you clutch up every single moment, slip up once, and the whole game just comes crashing down because you have a griever like this on your team. Our community is littered with grieves and trolls and it kinda saddens me how such a great game can become a stressful endeavor because of said fools ruining it.

[@HotShwarma]

grief*

[@jeffreyandia5179]

Now THIS is educational! It's quite helpful for players queueing in SEA, Peru, Russia and South America lmao

[@zarteck7793]

Oh this is just the all round 2-3k clownshow.

[@tvraphoho8791]

tbh this is not the problem, this never happens. I think most players would be fine if they got to play solo lane if they got solo xp. Whats hard is when your pos 4/5 stays in lane first 3 min and does pretty much nothing then dies, flames you and walks off. Now you are playing against 2 lvl 4 as a solo lvl 3/4. This happens often but I have never seen anyone walk off min 0 to jungle.

[@lucasmitchell9027]

Yeah. I'd argue a lot of off laners would do even better with a jungle 4 in low elos. Something like cutting waves lvl 1 on axe or primal beast can probably net you a pretty good lane when the enemy doesn't know how to react to it.

[@totoupetra4873]

idk man, but i feel like creep cutting is very hard now if the small camp isnt blocked, and even if the small camp is blocked, the big camp is so near to the path so that if enemy 5 contest your creep cut it would be so ez for the guy to pull it back. pls give me ur opinions boys

[@alextihor1190]

13:00 you couldve absolutely helped breaker there

[@stevenl7647]

i appreciate that u post losing games and not just games that u win because losing games are just as educational if not more

[@Bollibompa]

This game was intentionally made to be a loss. The players have a script they follow and an acting role.

[@pauloromero5477]

Other dota youtubers demonstrate that you can win in any bracket by playing well (and show you perfect scenario free win smurf game). BSJ a true Chad: Goes berserk mode against literally hell and shows you how to play well and be impactful in difficult scenarios. Guess what's more beneficial to watch.

[@LordOfTheEyrie]

I was the Riki in the game. I commend you BSJ for showing me how much Doom can actually farm even when playing from behind! BSJ even managed to outfarm me at some point in the late game, it amazes me, given I had a free lane bc of paid actor veno and was snowballing hard with tons of kills. Maybe it shows why I’m 2k lmao I really don’t jungle enough and like to play very active tempo carries like Riki, so risk falling behind in farm if I can’t close the game fast enough.

[@LordOfTheEyrie]

I learned a ton from this game, thanks, BSJ!

[@rogercoello6801]

​@@LordOfTheEyrie doom farm alot faster than riki , genius, i think this is why you are 2k

[@parham1023]

​@Roger Coello why so toxic? Daddy issues?

[@Youmu_Konpaku_]

You spam too much chatwheel

[@coolgate7794]

He even gave you a huge advantage by not buying stick in lane.

[@damonruetama8126]

I really like this game. Teaches the community a lot. I think this game could've been a comeback even with the griefing. BSJ was essentially pos 1 this game and to me goes to show you if you as pos 1 screw up late game team fights game is pretty much over. Shows even high mmr players hesitate when they should doom silencer while he's stunned to a tree before he hurricane pikes you to death. Or high mmr players fight mid late game and lose a huge fight even though they know and even said "play the ward." I find that when players listen to calls like "play the ward" or "back and regroup" we win a lot more. We must accept the loss when ppl don't listen and take responsibility for our own mistakes. Comeback games are worth more to me than stomp games. Hard fought. GL next! 😀 Let's go!

[@holohulolo]

we dont really know how this match is set up. Whether the other 9 knows that bsj is going to be in the game, even if they dont know which hero it is, or they were told a smurf is going to be in the game but not know its bsj. I mean just knowing those 2 can make a difference in the way they play. Beaides he mention about a request and through out the game tall about how some of them really commits to the " role" as in to behave like pub would at the rank or to grief deliberately. We dont really know, but it's not really the same as random pubs just griefing if they were being told to do that. So that's probably why theres a jungler from level 1. But anyway, it makes a difference to bsj's play if hes expecting it too. On an actual pub I bet one of the players especially the toxic one like wr, is going to at some point start pinging bsj's item or hero to blame him for whatever. As fast as toxic goes wr, is pretty mild, it's not even up to the average toxicity in that mmr especially in s.e.a.i mean hes complaining about a jungler, it's somewhat reasonable in terms of blaming. Be ause the real griefers and toxic that's often in the low bracket, blames you for no good reason. Like them going to place where they shouldn't and die, and you were somewhat to hia proximity at the time, and by that I means 1k to maybe 2k range or sometimes just ina different lane altogether with no tp, and blames you anyway for that death. Wards out of stock and planted , and they die in the one area with no wards and starts blaming sup for not planting ward. Tons of stupid reasons that dont even make sense but these kind of toxic spreads and before you know it you become the scapegoat and everytime any of them made a bed play that lead to them feeding everyone just starts blaming you pinging your item and criticizing you even when you are doing the right thing. Even if you are the one owning and actually clutching the team, theyd say things like you're just ksing. And these are common in 80- 90% of the game. I'm sure bsj can just mute them but I'd like to see how it affects him until then, or how even after muting them he realise one or 2 teammate who were doing ok or even doing well suddenly starts griefing be ause they one of them was being an a hole like ksing carrys creep deliberately, and make that carry grief. Or winning a huge team fight wiping the entire enemy, in front of the jungle but the carry and 2 others decided to immediately retreat instead of taking tower, and that to either walk home or just farm nc camps, with basically still a lot of resources too. Or right when the team is using aid or moving to look for a pick off, the carry suddenly wanders off for small level 1 camps but the rest didnt notice and started engaging. These are very common part of low 2k and below 2k But you dont see it even in this video. I mean the wr no stop talking shit about venom, and venom jungling rpg is a huge improvement compared to the usual educational smurf but it's really not toxic enough to be comparable to the usual pub games, at least not compared to the s.e.a pubs. If someone as skilled and high ranking as bsj can feel it's a struggle that even him not playing perfectly every single fight can really throw the comeback he wouldve been able to clutch for the team. All good points from you that I didnt think of. Because I'm sure with how uncoordinated pubs can be, team fighting can be difficult and confusing in a way that is different from the difficulty in high mmr. Climbing ranks from 1k+ to say 4k is a lot harder than people assume. Especially say someone who's always been in that 4k range since their first calibration.

[@sazid_mahmud]

WR fully immersed into the dota2 experience xD

[@Redarmy1917]

BSJ baits his own team into throwing with that midlane fight near the end. Truly a pub game experience.

[@Isanion]

8:00 "we're a hero that recovers, that's a super important part [...] picking a hero that doesn't rely on a lane partner" Wait, I'm able to change my hero pick after the game starts and I realise I'm getting griefed?

[@Flamebreakerful]

I think the idea is that if you're in a bracket where you consistently get griefed in a majority of your games, or you see your pos 4 pick some shit like WR, Mirana, or NP, its preeeeeetty likely they're going to be griefing and playing like a core. So you can presume they'll grief the lane and pick a 1v2 hero

[@arcanuke3294]

This wind crying in an education smurf game is hilarious. Edit 12:00 that makes more sense.

[@tylerreis-sanford5234]

Man, WR pinged Venos gauntlet and laughing before the game even starts too. Literally the worst lmao

[@parham1023]

She is acting. Bsj told her to do so.

[@tylerreis-sanford5234]

@@parham1023 yeah typed it out right before i got to the mark lol. Wouldve fooled me 🤣

[@krisboi6396]

Hey BSJ! I rarely comment on youtube videos but I feel like putting up this one to express appreciation towards you! I'm a long time lover and admirer of Dota who has played this awesome (and also at the same time awful) game. Been playing this game for 9 years with 4 initial years playing it intensely when I was in highschool, on-&-off in college years, and had to put off a couple of years playing Dota. I was a mid player with the occasional position 4 support whenever there are better people in the party. I'm not a "great" player but believed that I was "quite decent" (wasn't bad nor really good). Started off the first few years with low MMR (when it was first introduced) of 2.1k and gradually gained MMR to 3.1k max. I've always had a mindset of placing the blame on other people while emphasizing that I was playing the game correctly; whether I was a support or a core. It was always the other person's fault. I've always judged my "kinda good" skill level on the idea of my mechanical abilities, such as last hitting, winning team fights, having a high K/D/A ratio: those were the qualities that I had in my mind of "what constitutes a good Dota player". That being said, I believed I was a "somewhat decent player". Obviously because I could play invoker with all the spells memorized and know when to use it in fights; or I had fast hands whenever I needed to blink in & out whenever there was a potential kill or trouble. As I played on during the years, that mindset never really faded off. So, whenever I lost, I never understood why. I've always understood that "hey I got an okay-good laning phase, I contributed to fights, I understood that teaming up is generally good". This kind of mentality and "mechanical abilities" allowed me to stay up to the 3k bracket with my group party. I'm not gonna lie, being 3k in 2014-2015 was "not bad" if compared to the highest MMR at that time (if I'm not mistaken): 6k. I was also queing up with people at the 4k-5k bracket in 2014-2015 and had no problems winning games with not bad of a K/D/A. Though I never understood why I keep losing solo queing ranked matchmaking. I've always thought that I was "decent" and because of that I always (internally) blamed my teammates and raged after a loss (gonna recognize this sentence as "beta mentality" for this KZbin essay). So, I've never really liked playing Dota alone since "it's always my teammates fault"; "it's always a bad matchup"; "my team isn't fighting efficiently". After finishing highschool, friends drifted away, life happened, and I just stopped playing the game I loved. I hadn't completely abandon this lovely game throughout the years. During the on-off period and stopping period, there had been times where I watched Dota from my favorite streamers like SingSing, Gorc, Dendi, Sumail, Purge. So, sometimes I would casually boot up a game or two by myself and I would lose and put the game off again. Still having that shitty beta mentality. As time goes on, my mechanical skills become rusty, I was responding really slowly towards fights, I kept dying weird deaths, and my K/D/A was like 0/20/15 consistently. My rank also dropped down to like 800 MMR as I was playing in the Herald V to Guardian III bracket. So I thought it was time for me to throw in the towel. Lately, KZbin recommended your videos, precisely the smurf playlist this past 3-4 months. Those series of videos sparked a dying fire inside that prompted me to try Dota again. Especially that Hard Support smurf video where you played Crystal Maiden. You said (not verbatimly though - something like): "I'll do what I can do, if my teammates die, let it be. I'll just play around the objectives and control what I can do". That kind of made me interested in understanding what you meant. It didn't make sense how you won in a game with a position 5 support using Crystal Maiden. That was just very weird for me: I always thought that CM is the type of hero to not carry games, not the type to create plays, not the type to push. I've always thought that when picking CM, it was "hoping to win". That video made me realize, all these years, that I was completely-absolutely-fucking-foolishly wrong. It's funny because I had an existential moment where everything in my Dota life during the first 4 years were a complete lie. I didn't know ANY Dota fundamentals. I completely didn't know that you could ignore fights and just "pushed towers". I didn't know that you could, smartly, choose fights that are to your advantage. I didn't know that LANES NEEDED PUSHING. I've always had the mindset of - fighting = good; fighting = win; game = win. It's an insane realization. Now, I feel like everything that I know was completely thrown out the window. I didn't need "good mechanical abilities", I needed good map awareness and where to place myself in the map during different phases of the game. I didn't need to quickly react to a fight, I needed to understand what fights are essential and which ones to ignore. I didn't need to conform to my teammates if they choose to fight in the enemy jungle while the tier 1 isn't pushed with no wards around them, I needed to mute their pings and comments lmao. After watching your CM smurf video, it really feels like I'm a newly reborn person in Dota with a new profound appreciation towards the game, not towards winning. So, I thank you sir for your contributions to the Dota community. Dota lovers like myself and a couple of my friends really needed that. I feel like you really showed in that one line the crux of the community's toxicity, which is: "I can control my teammates and the outcome of the game". In reality, you really can't control anything besides yourself (this is also a funny realization because I'm a training therapist and you're the guy that taught me what we're supposed to be taught in psychology school lmao). What we can do in this lovely game is to focus on ourselves and what we can do FOR THE GAME, not for other people. INSANE IDEA. Now, I started muting people when they raged pinged or commented unnecessary stuff that is OUTSIDE the realm of Dota. But still kept useful communications such as call outs, bewaring of people, telling brief statements of intent (such as wanting to go for rosh). Besides that, I just want to enjoy the game for the game. For that, I thank you mr. BSJ. Thank you if you had the time to read this long essay in a KZbin comment. Please do continue doing what you do, you're an awesome light in the toxic pit of the Dota community. P.S., I'm very interested to learn a couple of new things as a person being "reborn" in Dota: - You've made a playlist of Dota fundamentals videos. Those are awesome videos but I feel like it kinda lacks the aspect of active implementation in game. I feel like having a smurf video every month for every bracket while revisiting the ideas of the fundamental videos would be awesome. - Having roles that aren't carrying your team would be awesome to show how we should appreciate the game. I'd love to see more of support videos (especially hard supports/ 5 position roles) since they aren't really appreciated in the lower MMR brackets. Understanding how we should play different hard support roles would be insanely lovely! Thanks again for your contributions.

[@monkeydluffy1214]

The fact that 7-0 and bjj don't really care shows that I need to remain chill in this kind of game.

[@Simptember]

BSJ can you please start adding an incentive for players on your team and the enemy's to win the match so that the play is more reminiscent of actual ranked matches in that MMR. Even just a cash prize of $5 per player would make them play more accurately to their skill level.

[@sunbro6998]

I have noticed too, that when you have a team that is playing very poorly and negative, mistakes happen more. I think it is because you can't trust that they will do what they need to. So it makes the map doubly difficult, you have to watch for your enemies, but also if your teammates will back your move or not take an obviously bad move.

[@edward222100]

also these types stay in the safe farm, so you can either try and kick them out or risk being in unsafe spot. This happens a lot to me when my safelane or my offlane lose their lanes

[@sunbro6998]

@@edward222100 good point. All the safe farm is taken, making another complication.

[@brodystringer1330]

It's funny to see you giddy at times experiencing what so many data players are trying to escape 😂 Its a funny system going on here!

[@DannTeBg]

This is exactly what my pub games look like half the time. I would love to see how you handle more situations like these.

[@phunweng962]

I live in Japan so I couldn't join the lobby but now I think I have the chance to be the lagger teammate for more surreal pub experience.

[@sleepysalmon9658]

@@phunweng962 In one of my games, a teammate went afk halfway through the game. When he returned, we asked him why he did that, and he said "sorry guys, i'm currently at work". So, it's really hard to simulate a real pub experience.

[@longvu59]

@@phunweng962 bro u got me at "surreal pub experience" :)))

[@Khallist-o]

If anyone can answer a simple question that confuses me a bit. When there is a kill between multiple people and it says something like 567 + 322 to 1 hero - is the whole reward/gold split between the killer and the assist so both 567 and 322 or is it only the "322" gold that goes to that assist hero?

[@thefinn12345]

The thumbnail for this cracked me up. Had to watch.

[@taylorhutchings4612]

As support player, what griefs me the most are the cores that think they lost their lane when it went kind of even or we didn't lose a really bad matchup. Sure they died twice but the enemy offlane axe is jungling at min 6 because he never got close to his vanguard and I stole his xp rune. Now I just have a faceless void at 11 min whose like 0-2-4 with a midas and farming between his tower and the surrounding camps that all have our vision and even though we're up 9-7 he won't join a team fight until he has 4 items.

[@LegendaryNightfall]

I've always wanted to know, but how does bottle refilling work? He gives you an empty bottle, you receive an empty bottle, but when you hand it back it's suddenly full. Does that work at any time? Is it only when coming from base? Is it that cloud buff?

[@sebastianGunnarson71]

when you go into fountain you get a "fountain regen buff", this buff lingers for like 3 seconds or something. part of this buff is that it refills bottle. When you tp from fountian to a lane the buff is still lingering for a second, if they hand you a bottle it fills up

[@shughes5920]

This is literally every single one of my US East games around mid Archon right now. And I'm more often on the side that gets stomped I think because I'm being foolish enough to play single target save supports like Omni and IO (I was 56% winrate with Omni before patch but 43% this patch). Always the same thing, one team deathballs, wins a fight or 2 around minute 10-15 and suddenly it's gg but you have to wait 20 mins or so. And tbh, sometimes it just feels like Us East players in this bracket struggle to mount comebacks. Whenever I play EU West and end up in a 1-10 @ min 10 game you will usually have 2-3 allies who can play the mid/late game stronger. I still lose lol, but at least my carrys have items and we have good fights.

[@PizzaManager101]

omni is much stronger core than sup rn. Omni sup suffering bc nullifier so good

[@toxic_cowZ]

BSJ at 30:29 tanks everything BSJ at 30:52 "what am i low from??"

[@mattbertsch6781]

Now that is an authentic 2k bracket experience lol, mad respect to everyone involved

[@---we8bx]

LOL, bsj overthinking the game at 30:50, he can just doom and even bkb.

[@vorovenciserban5937]

Good ideea for an edu game. But u started knowing ur support will go jungle and u could pick a hero for this type of scenario. And your build was constructed around that and still lose. Love the fact you teach us how to try to win with 20% win probability, but this will be at least 3 times harder in our game. So I guess we can learn that a grief is a grief. Remember to report this players, even if they are in the enemy team.

[@DanKaschel]

I think you're missing the point. If this is the kind of game that you're losing, then pick these heroes. If you don't get griefed, great! And if you do, you'll be prepared.

[@Wolf-zs9vc]

17:58 anxiety kicking in, just step away from the shop hahaha

[@ETWTV]

best and most realistic smurf game. props to Veno for playing the part perfectly.

[@user-if6qp1lw2b]

Bro paid 1 guy to be toxic asf and 1 guy to grief just to create an authentic pub experience. Respect.

[@BeuCurcu]

XDD

[@wanyusufkamil6403]

I mean.... is no one ever noticed that he had blink dagger this whole time for 8+ minutes... It screws my brain all over LOL

[@emmanuelwilliamquinton9152]

Thanks bsj, very good content. How to play really hard game is a weakness of a lot of player. We see a lot of things on how to play when ahead. (Most game uploaded to KZbin, most Smurf content) but very rarely difficult game like this. The commentary on top makes it really insightful. Also you managed to get 4.4 k net worth at 10 min. 1v2 vs a riki cm.

[@btokarski82]

So the best possible play you could probably make is just sit in the lane You're not going to get any last hits but you know what you can do is soak up the experience as long as you're not denying everything. Once you're above a couple levels teleport top and get a gank and then come through twin gates with your two top guys and gank the bottom lane

[@Shotgunz999]

this is the biggest problem i've encountered myself so far (~4.4k mmr) my 5 is probably just farming role queue games and they dont really know how to play 5. they dont understand how lanes work and how and who they should trade with even if you tell them. i'll give you 2 examples. first one. im drow and i have dazzle 5 vs spirit breaker 4 and viper 3. we manage to get to the point of the lane where sb starts roaming and i tell my support to play in lane instead of pulling because we can kill the viper 2v1 while otherwise i cannot lane 1v1 against a viper. instead he tp's mid when we see the charge happening mid and we already pinged mid. midlaner dies (techies mid right-click xdd) and then instead of coming back to lane which wouldve been fine cuz you know you gotta try and help mid when he gets charged, dazzle just walks base with full hp 60% mana, and then tp's top, while im stuck at lvl 3-4 against a viper. sad thing is, we almost made a comeback in this game but i my midlaner techies decided that instead of stunning the entire enemy team and use nukes he should use mom and right click enemies that have 5k hp for 150 dmg. 2nd scenario. im slark and i have techies 5 vs ogre magi 3 and kotl 4. i tell my support to trade with the kotl because i can just right click ogre over and over and he cant lane, instead what happens is techies stays behind me and he's hitting a 1k hp ogre while their kotl is just right clicking me. a lane that we shouldve had 6-7 kills in turns into a lane where that goes just slightly in our favour pair that with another 1 or 2 losing lanes and its pretty much over. (also im not being a dick when asking them to do it, and of course there are games where people either know what to do or listen to what im asking them to do and i usually win those games). this is my biggest problem where my 5's are just farming role queue games and dont know how to play 5. or at least listen to simple calls when they have no clue how to play a lane.

[@gregwomack1443]

It's also why you should grind support if you're serious about gaining mmr. Most supports are so bad it's easy to outskill them.

[@Shotgunz999]

@@gregwomack1443 my goal isnt to gain mmr, is to get better at the game, i wanna get better at the role i like playing.

[@MiketheMagicPaper]

This is ecaxtly why I almost always pre mute everyone. Lmao People rarely say anything useful in the first place so you don't really miss out on anything.

[@ethanelliott2043]

This is 7/10 of my games, all you can do is play carry or mid and pick something really strong and carry the game yourself, like PL or OD Voker

[@ThiagoCorbari]

Yup... That's the thing, even if you do not belong in that bracket, if you do not execute barely "to perfection", game is basically impossible to win. And Veno did not grief you enough, he just didn't play the lane, that's LV 1 Grief... He could be leaching xp and dying to pos 1 on cooldown, as usually happens, there's also the Tiny airline's type of guys and the Io's getting ppl to enemy fountain... Well, I know you can disable the last one, but, still, he will catch some ppl unaware.

[@Interloper322]

This is how all my games go in archon. The only way to win is to play mid.

[@user-wf9bv2mh3k]

that 32 min void with mithril hammer maelstorm threads and midas is hard to look at

[@clear4155]

The windranger is so funny. 10/10 oscar performance.

[@darthbinks5987]

BSJ: saying that the meta had changed and nowadays offlaners going greed ruins games and he's pissed at doom guys going Midas-Octarine-Boots of travel. Also BSJ: picks Doom and goes Midas-Octarine. Will all due respect, but does anyone else find this to be weird as well?

[@sunbro6998]

Props to playing this. And I do think your perseverance showed there was a sliver of a chance for victory.

[@hanzo8963]

point of the story some games u just can't win, and it is okay

[@nathanielh.6711]

BSJ's first realistic "smurf" game :O

[@bigshirley8658]

Why is BSJ playing the fight like a herald?

[@nullratt7152]

you also have to not know he is "troling" and buy standard items for the best effect

[@ZendorOne]

I am currently taking a break from Dota for the best and I know I shouldnt come back yet after that WR triggered even me watching lol

[@Lightn0x]

At 12:50, surely it was correct to go in and doom the bh right? You get a free kill, and the enemies lo longer get a track kill on sb. It's a huge gold swing.

[@icata12345]

hmm it's one of the unpredictable scenarios, my take is that SB+Doom can take a kill but then Doom dies to the second opponent because low HP,

[@Masterx3]

The thing with matchmaking is that this WILL happen if you prove you are better than enemies (a lot of kills, high GPM, ...) and what end up happening is they team you up with these guys. You just proved to me that no matter how good you are these types of games are impossible that even BSJ can't win them alone.

[@Friendguystarcraft]

He misplayed kinda badly lol, he couldve won this game

[@Rasea611]

Well it is ultimately a team game. There's high impact heroes and plays, but at the end of the day, you simply can't 1v5. You need your team to back you up at least somewhat to have a reasonable chance of winning.

[@Masterx3]

@@Rasea611 The game ultimately doesn't want people to quit. Be it them buying skins or purchasing dota plus or whatever, they benefit from more people playing. If a player felt like they are being dominated or outskilled, they will straight up quit. What does the game do? punish the good players by giving them these guys.

[@Masterx3]

@@Friendguystarcraft I'm not bsj either, so I expect I would behave as bad if not worse. this is 2k and 1.5k games, a 9k player is in and he can't flip the chances.

[@Rasea611]

@@Masterx3 Well, it's not like they're specifically targeting the good players or anything. It's just a natural consequence of playing in a community in any online game. Even someone that's trying to learn, improve and intends to play well (despite mistakes) at 2k or 3k still will fall victim to the rude players, the griefing players, the annoying superiority complex players. It's hard to find a solution to them. Players that have an inflated sense of self importance and Dunning Krueger are just going to be that way. They're not rule breaking, they're just irritating and sometimes toxic to play with. As for griefers, most griefers aren't doing it day in and day out. Most people that grief do so because of real life frustration (sometimes unrelated ot the game), or because they had a string of bad matches and they decide to take out their anger on other players. I won't say it's a lost cause, but it's a really tricky scenario that has no good, simple answers. At best, you can enforce rules more liberally and ensure griefers get punished consistently (even if it's a frustration thing, they are rule breaking). But you can't really account for Dunning Krueger nor can you do much about the rude/toxic people outside of player muting them. If Valve doled out mutes/suspensions like they were going out of style for that behavior, all it would lead to is people not communicating which is just as, if not more, harmful than the shitty behavior.

[@BB8enjoyer]

pretty sure this should have been smurfing in high divine low immortal, where most griefers are

[@alwaysradical1613]

Yes, looking more like my games now, except replace that veno with a chen or io. I’m learning a ton though, this is my favorite dota channel and series on KZbin. Thanks bsj. Most importantly learning to be aware of every team and to make a more informed decision whether to go to that fight. A lot of times I notice my team just constantly feeding in bad fights, and then blaming me for afk farming as the carry when it’s like, dude, you didn’t support me so I have no farm to fight! It’s definitely a balance I’ve found, that takes a lot of informed decision making.

[@daniivanov4554]

Lost from the start. Imagine trying to make it a game, when your team starts flaming you too when they start dying all over the place, and you are just trying to take the best by split-pushing and farming. This never ends in a game because if that was not premade by min 20 you would see intentional grief tilts toxicity etc.

[@mfpisces3623]

Now this game is much more realistic. most of my games lost are due to some random guy tilting or just not wanting to work together.

[@LegendaryNightfall]

You were the only farmed person on your team. Even near the end, void only had Maelstrom and was working towards I assume a BKB. You essentially had no carry. You weren't down one person, you were down two.

[@adihalim6263]

Even the flamer has a use in their role for specific situation. 10/10 on Windranger

[@adpop750]

BSJ is mentally prepared to solo lane and picked a hero "suited" for it, big difference to what actually happens in pubs. It's rarely the case, because you don't know upfront you're gonna get "griefed". So you pick and buy start items like you have a sup in lane, which makes your game a lot harder when it turns out you don't have a sup. And this "mild" grief is already enough to make a 9k player lose the match. So imagine trying to win in matches where you get griefed when you belong in that bracket or you are only a little bit more skilled then the mmr you are currently at. A jungling sup from the start is absolutely the mildest grief that can happen. What is way worse, and it's not that uncommon is a sup that: -afk at start, so only 1 or no runes -doesn't harass at all, just xp leeches (or stands afk under tower) -doesn't take the most obvious skill he should have taken and that catches you by surprise by the first hp trading in lane and gets you (almost) killed. -no ward(s) -no dewarding (lane or pull camp) -no pulling (and when you pull yourself, the sup ruins the pull) -no preventing enemy pulls (by interacting or camp blocking) -random lane pushing (especially when u finally have it in the right spot to get a few LH) -constantly aggroes creeps, ruining everything you try to do (last hitting, lane equilibrium) -takes last hits regularly -gives no regen (hp nor mana) -does stupid trades and gets killed a few times (so despite you being in lane solo a lot, the enemy are both equal level to you, or even higher) -doesn't buy any supporting items that would been really useful (headdress, ring of basilius, that kind of thing) -bit later when you expect him to have mana boots (because he took quite some LH), has brown boots and is buying selfish items. Yeah, if the sup does all this it's an obvious intentional griefer and you probably have to go next game or hope the other lanes go really well and you get carried. But often they don't do all of the above but they do enough of them to make your lane (and match) ridiculously hard.

[@HalIOfFamer]

Timbersaw pretty good at recovery. Played against ck+lion safe lane with me as TS and Rubick 4. Told rubick to leave at lvl 5 because ck was free farming anyway, I scale with levels and they could not kill me. Alone I only died once and killed lion twice while the rest of the map was being won by rubick roaming and we crushed the enemy in 25 minutes.

[@DanielCodyBloedow]

This honestly feels like every game I lose these days. I know you teach to take responsibility, but when you have teammates like these, there's only so much I can be personally responsible for when I'm using everything you're teaching and playing my fucking heart out. A real reflection of the sub 3-4k bracket.

[@DanKaschel]

Success isn't winning. Success is learning. Focus on what you can control.

[@DanielCodyBloedow]

Seriously bro, don't be that guy. Hindsight 20/20 lecturing just cones across as toxic, not PMA. Especially when you're stating the most basic obvious shit that anyone who watches Brian should know.

[@peterkirk8510]

If you’re sub 3/4k the vast majority of your games are winnable regardless of your team

[@MC-nt7jz]

@@DanielCodyBloedowdoofus

[@MrDaldagnuur]

lmao farmed whole game and threw at last moment. Truly 3k experience

[@TheRealHubeau]

Constructive criticism : If you know you'll have a hard lane due to asking them to greif, it's not really the same thing as just realizing it mid game, from what I see and hear so far you know full well what is going to happen and prepped your starting items accordingly. Objectively, the difference could be somewhat minor as these items are cheap but it still makes a difference.

[@miracooolflopson7247]

nah if he is laning 2v1 is way too harder than laning 2v2 griefers usually start griefing when they got at least 6 lvl or something so this is objectively harder than scenario youve just described maybe youre just bad at this game

[@BenSilver10]

well... you could play every game expecting to be griefed and itemize accordingly. I started to do that and went from 1,3k to 2k just by following tips like this.

[@sebastianGunnarson71]

no shit bro obviously if you know how a lane is going to play out you are more likely to play correctly lol.. thats laning in a nutshell.

[@sebastianGunnarson71]

"Objectively, the difference could be somewhat minor as these items are cheap but it still makes a difference." you mean starting items? the difference isn't minor. your lane can go completely different depending on what starting items you go.

[@TheRealHubeau]

@@sebastianGunnarson71 okay so you agree then, that starting items matter, and so knowing you'll be greifed in lane is going to define what you buy when you start. Aka it's not a fair representation of a real situation. My point is simply that knowing you'll be greifed from the get go leads to different starting items, as he said himself he was getting a windlace because of that, instead of a quelling blade (for example). A blind test would have been a better demonstration of his points. Not by a ton because, again, these items are cheap enough he can react quickly if needed.

[@curtroll]

Hey BSJ if youre ~10k how is the avg mmr of your team 1500? 10k\5 = 2k. Thats not counting the mmr of the other 4 on your team. Are you just averaging the mmr of those 4 and not including yours? Thanks

[@ashemrus]

Yes, he never played game where he didn't have overwhelming advantage in terms of MMR. He shows those false numbers just to make viewers feel how good he is that he is winning game with lower MMR team which is not true. The only game before this where he had less then 8k MMR total advantage he lost miserably.

[@Bollibompa]

Wtf are you talking about? These are people from Discord/Patreon you buffoon. Why would he count his own MMR? He is "smurfing".

[@icata12345]

a full lobby of paid actors to simulate a 2k pub ^^ :D

[@nikhilrbadri5220]

Only BSJ can forget a blink dagger in base cuz he's teaching Lmao!!! Thank you for these videos, psych stuff

[@rayoscrost]

do you think you could've get a comeback if you used that blink at the end correctly?

[@holohulolo]

Do the 9 people know that bsj will be in the game? Or even if they dont know that it's bsj that a Smurf is going to be in the game? But most importantly how exactly is he requesting them. The best way to get that authentic experience is just to let them play and everyone don'y really know each other. Because there's this element of chaos in pub where everything can go well, but some people start wandering off, like wiping the enemy team in front of their tower, and your carry or carries starts retreating so he can farm nc. Or a player that's doing well the entire game suddenly gets titled by 1 toxic person and decides to grief. You might think im giving the worse case scenario but it's at least 75% of the game. To be fair, the way the fight is so messy and uncoordinated and windburn keeps talking shit to his teammate is relatable. Then again, were they expecting it, like knowing bsj and bsj requested them to behave that way or something? But other than that, the only thing maybe missing, is a teammate flaming bsj, pinging his item, or pinging his hero when they die, and that kind of stuff. Im sure bsj can just mute them, but until then... Still this is probably the best out of the series, although Im not sure why I can't find this video in his educational series or going to his channel>videos. I hope we can see him play multiple games in a row, or however frequent he's playing his game as usual and the best part about him losing is i"m sure hell be able to figure out a way, to make it work better, maybe something that works on lower mmr that's not so much used in higher mmr.

[@michaelangelo7087]

This is how immortal players think! We learn a lot from you bro, all we have to do is practice more and executive well

[@stroggs]

Pretty awesome and the script helped. For your next challenge, the opponent will need to have a perfect line up and your line up sucks and you have to carry the team using positions 1 or 2.

[@federicocapriotti2180]

it's not realistic to predict the 4 to just go straight up jungle and buy at the start salve tango wind lace and going into tranquil.

[@otabekmansurov6098]

important question BSJ, should you devour the creep again later in the game to get upgraded skills for doom. similar to rubik, if you steal a spell later you get higher level of that spell?\

[@ve8547]

Rubik get the enemy level of that spell but aren't the creeps have like already maxed out their skill ? Wdym upgraded skills?

[@lunamoonfang2]

@@ve8547 Dude, read the new patch lol. Neutral creeps have levels on their abilities now, just like heroes, and their spells get upgraded at minute 15 and 30, Chen's shard unlocks level 4 abilities for neutrals.

[@ve8547]

@@lunamoonfang2 cool, i truly didnt read everything in the patch note, good to know that

[@JoaoPedro-hi5ih]

Recently i was in a loss streak of 10 games, fell a lot, then i went back and tried to figure out what happend, well, in those 10 games in 2 my supports just didnt play the game (they did what veno did), at least 3 of them my supports did core items (sup 4 jakiro went aggs when losing, WR and hoodwink with gleipnir that i remember), mid pudge lost so horribly mid that enemy mid was double his lvl, other the BB off just didnt play the game as well, there was one that my mid sniper wasnt apparently bad, but he didnt hit anything, other was my ogre sup 5 building midas... and i broke my loss streak in a game that my mid was a PA, see what im going? Some times (in my case most of the times apperently) although i could play better, my team is like that, and i dont win, and even BSJ cant win a griefed game in a lobby half of my MMR (im close to 3k)

[@Gerbrandt0245]

This looks like current harold 2 and 3 in eu severs. I also clutch up in the fights there and mess up, even tho it would have given me a win chance. I remember one game with a instant feeding tiny, who farmed a devine to feed it to a Pa. That Pa was really bad and didnt know what my ult did (muerta). Thats why I was happy about that feed, because I would have gotten a free devine. Well I got jumped at our graveyard (they had warded there...) by her and her support, while tping back to base. Than it was gg. 1 sec was all it took for me to destroy her and win the round. In Herold 5 its a lot better, but there the unbalanced teams, smurfs and scripting Tinkers mess everyting up. Some of the matches there feel like at leas 4k mmr and I come from this bracket, and most other players there as well.

[@aminferdowsi9971]

the Time u mention Manta i was Tinking Disperser whould be much better,they close in price but Disperser not only dispell u,it also give u MS wich allow u to get out of Riki Smoke ez,also u can dispell teamates(or Buff MS for SB when he charges in) all and all its way better item for a very small price diffrence

[@DaetB]

This exact reason is why people complain about how hard it is to win games, you just fell what an average 2 - 3k game looks like, nobody does anything to help each other, everyone is selfish, theres a lot of griefing if you had to concentrate being a top tier player, you cant expect an average 2k player to do the same. The fact that you lost teaches us a lot of stuff

[@Bollibompa]

It was intentional. They are acting. It is not a real game.

[@markperalta4831]

Now. This was a great smurf game. Very relatable

[@Razkrk]

cool idea, showing that not every game is winnable is just honest

[@asyxmusic8429]

Even a smurf cant carry that type of people

[@4cheech]

I loved this game bro. WP. When this happens to me, i just play the game and let it come to its natural end. 3-23 game score, no point bitchn and crying when it's pubs.

[@stephenjacobsen4616]

well, its not like they just jungle. they pick hard carries and go for last hits.

[@stephenjacobsen4616]

I literally just had a bloodseeker pos4. -_- Am i tripping or is that a little off?

[@Mirage0153]

Then they talk about how much space they created as the safelane collapses, talk about how they won their lane, and all the kills they got while the opponents finish

[@Green13Gaming]

my personal advice is play in a party relying on randoms is really bad

[@kodokraksasa6564]

Please do an exact opposite of this, one where you go mid, pick a cheese hero with the cheesiest build possible then stomp the hell out of the opponent's team. Preferably your team should be a lot lower MMR than the enemies' though.

[@asadbaig305]

now u understand what real games look like

[@SSC604]

Proof that your team can be the reason you're not climbing.

[@VeryBadPlayerTV]

12:56 why didn't you take that creeps 5 hp regen???

[@NoahPARK82]

that 1k mmr gap though😅

[@GMAC240]

7:58 "worser" kek 🎉

[@highsty9898]

It would be great if useless support left your lane alone .. most of time they sit behind offlane and try to deny creeps and leech exp . My regular lobby support always does it even i tell him not to deny or attack creeps and harash hero instead.

[@johnpimentel113]

He bought dagger at min 26 haha and just noticed he bought it at min 33

[@AuzReaper]

Favourite video by far related to this so much

[@supotsae-eung4806]

sup4 jungle is better than sup 4 that afk sucking exp in lane but do nothing or last your creep - push your lane

[@blairc5841]

what were you actually doing at 31:02

[@Freezone7]

how can you play on smurf and not get banned

[@kevorkyijan118]

A noob mid with 9k networth in 40minutes that's the networth of a support x.x