14:08 if u think the target position is ugly wait untill you see the focus camo button
@boi21922 ай бұрын
Thats the fun part, u cant cuz they forgot to add it to the mermonkey
@honque24902 ай бұрын
@@boi2192 Isn’t focus camo on the bottom path?
@ethandavis23732 ай бұрын
I like it better
@EduardoHatchet2 ай бұрын
@@honque2490it's not
@ArtDumbster2 ай бұрын
I was going to say this, I don't know why they changed it, but I don't like those new icons :c
@Amphy5162 ай бұрын
One of my new favorite Tier 5s for sure. The buff synergy is incredible, for both its main attack and it’s ability. I had Popseidon + Alch Buff + Overclock + Call To Arms + Brickell, and 98 was melted in three seconds with one Ice Jet. Plus, it’s freaking Poseidon.
@Kauan176ProBr2 ай бұрын
Poseidon ? Who the hell is that ? I only know popseidon
@ArrowMaster_2 ай бұрын
Plus top path boat buffs it, right?
@Qwthetoast2 ай бұрын
Add top path sub
@_itsDaniel_2 ай бұрын
yes@@ArrowMaster_
@original_pandus2 ай бұрын
Yes, its a water base tower so it gets the buff(at lest when its in water)@@ArrowMaster_
@silentplayer66562 ай бұрын
really happy to see ninja kiwi with these almost experimental new towers, they really add a lot of depth to the game
@memesfrommycomputer2 ай бұрын
wait this isnt a mod??
@ninjazombie13962 ай бұрын
@@memesfrommycomputernew official tower
@Fera-gr5mm2 ай бұрын
Depth, I get it
@Ahumanbeing-be9xm2 ай бұрын
6:25 insane quote
@marcoplayz68212 ай бұрын
despite how many races ISAB beats up weekly, he likes black (borders) the best
@raihanvarghese85532 ай бұрын
Isab really said the opposite of "if it ain't white it ain't right" 😭
@Mikustan392 ай бұрын
I don’t think him and Freezer would get along too well.
@crackergaming12522 ай бұрын
You know what they say, once you go black, you never go back
@R.I.PAkiryatariyma2 ай бұрын
TaMaTo 🍅
@GoofyMonkie2 ай бұрын
18:05 “so dense but, with all those balls bouncing around, omg, we just beat it in 5 seconds” -Isab 2024
@RainMarrlen2 ай бұрын
in terms of crosspathing, I’d say the seeking is significant since T3+ does actually have a good amount of pierce, and the waves also seek.
@lifetake31032 ай бұрын
The big problem with seeking is it has a very wide turn radius so if it gets off track it will get very far off track trying to turn when going straight would have set up up the explosion well.
@minicritter74552 ай бұрын
@@lifetake3103 although i understand what you mean, i would argue that a 0-5-2 is alot more helpful in more situations than a 2-5-0, 9 times out of 10 your putting it in a spot to throw down a track so having the other two shots curve back into the track rather than fly diagonally away from the track where the value ends after a couple feet could be a game changer in a sense. also the wide turn is only really a detriment if the spear gets thrown perpendicular to the track and there is no track behind it but at that point its more or less a placement problem. then again the argument falls off if you place a bottom path mermonkey since by that point its not aiming at the bloons on the track but a fairly wide bloon tornado in which i can kinda see the value of a 2-5-0
@fintonchaney65622 ай бұрын
@@lifetake31030-5-2 makes all 3 tridents go straight towards where he's aiming so the side tridents don't miss.
@danielbrake67252 ай бұрын
I really wish they would include a little text that tells your the stat changes of upgrades. Something like (+1d, +2p, +2r, -0.05s/atk)
@Atomic4now2 ай бұрын
The 0-1-0 seemed to be able to one shot green balloons that were clumped together while only doing 2 damage. Wonder why that is.
@ethanvon2222 ай бұрын
it's like mid path dartling, it explodes on contact with each bloon at base
@cacapeo98842 ай бұрын
How the projectile works is like a hrp dartling. A 0 damage 2 pierce projectile that whenever it hits a bloon, it summons an explotion of 2 damage and 3 pierce . It’s basically a 2 damage 6 pierce projectile, but if bloons are close the explotions overlap and deal up to 4 damage
@STNDD2 ай бұрын
Remember energizer reduces the ability cd by 50%
@saladgaming43392 ай бұрын
This is why Energizer is my goat
@Halfcertified2 ай бұрын
Isn’t it 20%
@robertharris60922 ай бұрын
@@Halfcertified 20% for land towers. 50% for water towers.
@saladgaming43392 ай бұрын
@@robertharris6092 30 for land towers actually
@spynix07182 ай бұрын
I think it's obvious for this tower, but from what I understand about this tower because I'm just trying it: 2-5-0 Is better for straight lines like Cubism, and 0-5-2 is MUCH better for everything else. It can get intrinsic camo and seeking so it can make more use of the Trident's waves. Yes, 2-5-0 does give more attack speed, but I feel like the seeking is more important.
@bloooddmooonn2 ай бұрын
I think it's up to preference
@jamhopsey2 ай бұрын
white bloons should be immune to attacks from tier 2 middle path just to make the interaction feel more strategic. it’ll likely not come up often enough to stunt it’s power much but i think it’s a decent trade off especially considering enough things can’t hit purple already
@gravitysword20022 ай бұрын
It already can't pop lead and lose purple popping at tier 3 it doesn't need more immunities lol
@jamhopsey2 ай бұрын
@@gravitysword2002 i mean replacing purple immunity with white immunity lmao it feels like everything under the sun is immune to purple and i think mermonkey shouldnt also be weak to purple in exchange for an obscure white weakness
@TheKNEE132 ай бұрын
whites and zebras are hundreds of times more common than purples however, effectively every round after 50 it would struggle with them rather than just a few select rounds
@jamhopsey2 ай бұрын
@@TheKNEE13 the thing is it deals multiple layers of damage so it would be skipping them pretty often and it discourages mermonkey only strategies
@tylazermk82712 ай бұрын
I like that this tower acts as an indirect buff to Brickell, as well as water towers in general
@zefix31332 ай бұрын
The 0-5-2 crosspath is definetely better in all occasions. Most of the increasing pierce of the waves is gone when they don't seek the bloons. The attack speed buff is less useful when homing shots can enable all the pierce especially with the triple shot of Popseidon. Also putting him on straight lines is actually bad, because the tridents can get pierce capped before the wave gets bigger and increases in its pierce. It's better to put him perpendicular to a line so the wave doesn't get insta pierce capped, grows in size and then seeks back
@thenarwhalmage2 ай бұрын
Technically not better in all occasions, because 2-5-0 should have better single target, but as long as its now round 80 or 100, 0-5-2 is superior.
@zefix31332 ай бұрын
@@thenarwhalmage Idk whether the triple shot all hit the same single target if they don't seek
@thenarwhalmage2 ай бұрын
@@zefix3133 that probably depends on the distance to the target and the size of the target. All three can probably hit a BAD from pretty far away, but you do bring up a valid point.
@bethmassey32992 ай бұрын
I did some tests in sandbox against A ZOMG, grouped BFBs and spaces ZOMGS and 2-5-0 did better with all of them, which I didn't expect. I dunno, it was only one map though.
@thenarwhalmage2 ай бұрын
@@bethmassey3299 what map, how many BFBs, how long was the line?
@MockySocky2 ай бұрын
Now they have to change the name of a statue prop in Bloons Pop
@BeDatAPickle2 ай бұрын
Tbf, the Poseidon statue looks different from Popseidon, so they could be two different kinds of mermonkeys 🤷♂️
@foonotfooduwu81292 ай бұрын
@@BeDatAPickle Maybe even the ancestors of popseidon, who knows
@BeDatAPickle2 ай бұрын
@@foonotfooduwu8129 True that. Bloons lore is pretty much whatever the fans want atp 😂
@sirjorm2 ай бұрын
14:02 they also updated the camo targeting icon to look like something straight out of btd4
@masterandexpert2882 ай бұрын
I like this tower. It feels like a chimera of a lot of different things. The reverse snowstorm allowing water towers to go on land, the juggernaut balls from the middle path, the the village like buffs of the bottom path. It feels very unique but familiar at the same time.
@RanDix2 ай бұрын
Just wanted to add that the seeking from bottompath makes the extra shots pretty much follow the main attack and is definitely stronger than top path.
@Mooeatsgrass2 ай бұрын
I feel like the tier 3 and 4 is kinda underpowered, but the tier 5 is busted also 052 is prob better lol
@Antoronyx_2 ай бұрын
Yeah, because the t3 and 4 were kinda bad I didn’t get popseidon yet, but now I will
@daaaaaaanny2 ай бұрын
Tier 4 has a pretty good ability for single target damage, although it could do with a bit of a price buff
@sayoriigd2 ай бұрын
imo the range and homing tridents are not as good as the attack speed
@AirtimeRR2 ай бұрын
top path crosspath is more viable for cleanup, but bottom path is more useful for single target.
@thenarwhalmage2 ай бұрын
@@AirtimeRRI think you mean the other way around
@The_Arminator2 ай бұрын
The video has just released and I already know it'll be worth a watch
@DarkFrozenDepths2 ай бұрын
Probably depends on the map for which crosspath is better. The right curves maximizes those trident explosions. Also if someone is trying to avoid using a MIB for some reason, only 0-4-1, 0-4-2, 0-5-1, 0-5-2, and 0-0-5 can do anything to DDTs. And the bottom path isn't made for popping stuff anyway.
@frederikthybo86612 ай бұрын
1:40 i put the offer out I don’t wanna chase you down I know see it You run with me And i can set you free Out of the drudgery and walls you keep in So trade that typical for something coloorful And if it’s crazy, live a little crazy You can play it sensible, a king of conventional Or you can risk it all and see Don’t you wanna get away From the same old part you gotta play? ‘Cause I got what you need So come with me and and take the ride It’ll take you to the other side 'Cause you can do like you do Or you can do like me Stay in the cage, or you'll finally take the key Oh, damn, suddenly you're free to fly It'll take you to the other side
@ChaoticJester2 ай бұрын
The "power" is actually how long the waves that split from the trident last, so the bigger the wave gets on the trident the farther the secondary waves will last/go, it's not actually referring to damage.
@JCQ2052 ай бұрын
Thank you ISAB for popping the bloons with the mermonkey.
@cw83.2 ай бұрын
😐
@tire_iron4882 ай бұрын
thankyou @@cw83. for replying with "😐"
@cw83.2 ай бұрын
@@tire_iron488 thanks for replying to my comment ig
@Wedgeman_Riley2 ай бұрын
thankyou @@cw83. for replying with "😐"
@cw83.2 ай бұрын
@@Wedgeman_Rileythanks for replying ig
@Shion_Fumo2 ай бұрын
I've already watched this 1 mermillion times and confirm this is a certified ISAB classic
@maddoxcharlestottle2 ай бұрын
1:07 crazy that they added brawlstars to btd6 (Rico super)
@Fuzzymutt192 ай бұрын
hey isab i really love ur vids, its a great background video for when i'm playing bloons myself, i can even absorb some knowledge as well bc im a total noob. anyways tysm for the vids, love ya
@hatman96092 ай бұрын
This has to be my fav strat, The tier 4 mid path witht he tier 4 bottom path is already enough to save up to Poseidon with a decent hero and you can save A LOT
@NOLENATION962 ай бұрын
One cool thing to note about popsideon's ability is while it does time out when when the round ends I noticed that the balls won't time out while the round is active so if you use it immediately the balls stay active until the round ends. Idk if this was a glitch in my game but I had 10 stacks with ultra boost on it and permabrew buff if anyone else wants to try it.
@nicjoy44072 ай бұрын
I find it crazy that with top path Mermonkey allowing for more water, making water strats wildly more consistent they massively buffed Pirate Lord, I've yet to see much focus put on it but it feels so darn strong. Basically double the hooks and a shorter cooldown (went from 45->40)
@nicjoy44072 ай бұрын
Very clear that P lord is someone's favorite, it was op for a while, it got nerfed to being balanced, and now they massively buff it. It also has +1 grape damage too. These changes feel so far out of left field to me.
@alexanderHEHEHEhaYes2 ай бұрын
oh damn, everybody say this tower is garbage so ninja kiwi doesn’t bring out the huge nerf gun…
@akshayreddy40712 ай бұрын
My boy megalodon still recovering
@Carnagemode2 ай бұрын
Ur vids really make my day better!
@drakellich91082 ай бұрын
Instantly one of my fav t5 tower. it's so satisfying to stack attack speed on middle path and watch those waves go brrrrrrr
@Atomic9062 ай бұрын
Love your vids man, keep up the good work
@Kradrling2 ай бұрын
from my testing on sandbox the bottom crosspath is actually better dps wise than top path for popseidon, maybe because popseidon shoots 3 tridents in an arc and the side tridents miss the majority of bloons without seeking. this was without buffs and on monkey meadow though, so results may vary especially on maps with lots of obstacles to make the crashing waves and ice balls more effective.
@gunsandroses8962 ай бұрын
I think bottom crosspath is better to fully utilise the pierce. It already fires really fast. Also range is really good (because damn this thing lacks range)
@LeGrey2 ай бұрын
0-5-2 mermonkey is 100% one of my fav towers. It was able to make it to round 188 on logs on easy mode and i honestly could‘ve squeezed out maybe 1 or 2 more rounds with better macro (but ew, good macro?!) Here is the setup: Ultra boost + Brickell + Call to arms + Carrier Flagship + Lord of the Abyss + Support Sun temple + energizer + perma brew
@AC-vt6oq2 ай бұрын
“With all those balls bouncing around.. oh my god” 🤨📸
@Macaw-gf1ve2 ай бұрын
The mermonkey and brickell synergy is crazy op and don't forget that top path tier buffs brickell as well
@captainphoton16932 ай бұрын
Hey I've check a suspicion of mine. Each tentacle is independent. And each has their own cooldown. And each can only attack straight in front of them. This mean that the tentacles arnt bound to attack speed. If a bloon goes around the top path mer monkey they will get every tentacles to atta k them. Allawyas. Tentacles have no atta k speed limit in between each other. Second thing, is that you loose half of your potential dps by not having the mermonkey surrounded in track. Since some of the tentacles wouldn't be able to attack at all. You can test this by placing him 300 on resort loop. And send 2 round 100 ceramics. Fairly fast. One will trigger all tentacles and get destroy. The other will take one or two tridents and go through before tentacles grow back.
@squiddler77312 ай бұрын
This is accurate, similar to tack shooters you'd want to put it in a loop to maximize damage. But if you don't have a loop on the track, you can just use the bottom path to essentially make your own loop.
@captainphoton16932 ай бұрын
@@squiddler7731 I mean. Placement wise yes. But what different is that the next tentacle is always ready to shoot as long as it's not in cooldown. The first bloon to do a full loop will take every damage. And then some can sneak up. It more focused despite shooting all around himself. While tack damage all but not a single onz more.
@macaroniisnice2 ай бұрын
Homing is pretty neat for the triple tridents though
@TYsdrawkcaB2 ай бұрын
"this round is so dense, but with all those balls bouncing around omg we just beat it in like 5 seconds"
@SamLabbato2 ай бұрын
The power difference between arctic knight and popseidon is insane. you can go from barely surviving, using all your abilities each round, to easily soloing for 30 rounds after you get popseidon. can't wait to see the unique challenges that spawn from this tower
@cyansylveon2 ай бұрын
i did end up figuring out how to do a mermonkey start for my chimps run on luminous cove. I placed it a little off center toward the right below the track ended up upgrading it to 201 before buying a 102 sniper for any stray bloons. I then saved up for brickell and a 2nd mermonkey and it was smooth sailing from there.
@nicolascaraballo15342 ай бұрын
It’s so fun to use, seeing the waves and ice balls crash everywhere is beautiful
@DeJay72 ай бұрын
Man I gotta say, from ISAB's initial video on the Mermonkey, the Popseidon felt like it didn't do much, not only did it feel not powerful enough for its price, it felt greatly weak even if it was cheaper. I don't know if I was sleepy or not while watching that video, but my whole view on this tower coming into this video was "Okay, let's see what this overly expensive icicle impale without the stun can do" and it really messed with me, because I just saw it wipe out round 111 with typical buffs. So yeah, what an ability (that's totally not getting nerfed next patch).
@HardxCorpsxKali2 ай бұрын
Thank you isab for beating the black boarder with your high dps per second….
@FilipMC50112 ай бұрын
502 Boomer and 205 Mermonkey can 2TC and it MAY also be able to 2 Megapops at the same time (i was around 60-70k pops away from 2 Megapops)
@di11_92 ай бұрын
Id say seeking is better because it goes over walls and increased pierce and the waves will typically hit way more often because of that so more damage overall plus tier 5 gets the two extra tridents that don't really hit anything unless they are extremely close to the monkey (the middle path gives more pierce at tier 3 and above is what im talking about)
@kavinvenkatesh15812 ай бұрын
Can't wait for the super buffed popsidon video coming in 2026
@thespanishinquisition4752 ай бұрын
The difference between the targets are one of them is auto target/self target(mermonk) and the other is set target(overclock)
@CielMC2 ай бұрын
14:20 They also changed the prioritize camo button!
@AAslayer2 ай бұрын
Honestly i think that the 052 is the better crosspath if you buff it. I did a water only dark castles CHIMPS run and 052 with all the 002 buff stacks does so much better. Alch buff and Striker Jones helped out on the pierce issue. Without the seeking, getting max trident size and getting it to land near bloons is the issue
@verysurreal2 ай бұрын
here’s a possible challenge idea: Fire and Ice challenge! So only towers that either have an element of freeze/ice or burning/fire effect. I’m sure u can pinpoint all the towers that fit the criteria, including the path shown in this video! There’s a bunch of maps u could do it on but if u really want a challenge u could do it on Infernal for the red and blue effect 😎
@avibuchbinder46462 ай бұрын
14:15 they also changed the camo priority icon
@TheRedPandalorian2 ай бұрын
ISAB, I hope you see this, try the Final Harmonic with the Doorgunner MK, it's hilarious and so strong - Use the doorgunner ability to pick up the Harmonic Totem
@justinwilliams4632 ай бұрын
They need to buff xp gain, beast handler was forgotten since you had to use a bad tower to max it out and it seems that this cool tower may have the same fate
@squiddler77312 ай бұрын
I doubt it. Part of the issue with beast handler was that it didn't really play well with other towers. Either you go all in on it or it doesn't do much because you didn't focus on it enough. With this tower there's built in support and synergy from both the top and bottom paths, so even if you don't go for tier 5s it's still strong.
@cloudtender88132 ай бұрын
I think the ability should have Waves crash on the screen from the left and right border to make it more obvious that the ability was used
@berryven2 ай бұрын
Seeing Popseidon without seeking is like seeing top path Ninja without seeking
@WereDictionary2 ай бұрын
So what I'm taking away frim this is that the top path Mermonkey would be insane in the range of rapid-fire towers like the Elite Dumbfender and the bottom path Mermonkey would go completely stupid in every single stall strategy, especially because they boost each other's range and every siren can trap bloons independently. As long as you can guarantee lead detection, being surrounded by a bunch of sirens and enough abyssal knights to spread the buff, this tower will take matters into its own hands.
@nicecube27982 ай бұрын
Popseidon goes crazy on cornfield and sulfur springs
@jtd21172 ай бұрын
The ability annihilates moab class bloons for some reason despite the balls only doing 1 damage to bloons. Attack speed buffs also makes the ability even better.
@tomatosoup38662 ай бұрын
502 boom and 004 mermonkey with target on boom goes crazy
@danforce42222 ай бұрын
8:04 "you get 6 to 9, which is nice, but at the same time not nice"
@krantianandpara56712 ай бұрын
18:10 "with all those balls bouncing around, on my god"💀, tf u mean by that isab🤨🤔
@eliotoole45342 ай бұрын
They should make a monkey knowledge that lets water towers be placed on land around abyss warriors and makes the lord of the abyss do the same in a larger radius Edit: possible name: Hadal Zone
@mylifeisfunny89112 ай бұрын
Call to arms boosted popseidon looks beautiful
@nonmagicalwitch2 ай бұрын
I still havent even unlocksd the fella. Upside is however that getting pops motivated me to finally unlock xp on the beast handler
@Babymercy82 ай бұрын
This is gonna get mega nerfed. Crazy stuff, like the chipper haha
@Ben-pg1kx2 ай бұрын
8:33 why did you jump past the camo leads here? What tower do you have that kills them? Idk the destroyer is 3-2 so can’t see camo. Brickel can’t do it on his own…
@VapourWav32 ай бұрын
Imma just out this out here because Brickell's tiers are a bit confusing. But... after lvl 8, naval tactics (one of her abilities) allows all water monkeys to see camo. Hope this helps :3
@samuelhawkins38202 ай бұрын
The multiple projectiles from popsidon seems to make the seeking Path worth something?
@ethandavis23732 ай бұрын
I like the bottom path Mermonkey the best. Some great utility
@ZOZOYOYO692 ай бұрын
new pggy album was amazing
@rossanderson41562 ай бұрын
So true
@luischaboii89902 ай бұрын
Isab comments come from every corner of the internet i swear
@ZOZOYOYO692 ай бұрын
@@luischaboii8990 isab should make a song with peggy
@tylazermk82712 ай бұрын
The Mermonkey's reticle UI is different because it also has a cancel button to reset it to default
@crackergaming12522 ай бұрын
"But with all these balls bouncing around" - ISAB, 2024
@Arandomperson2342 ай бұрын
So is the tower limited or can you get it at any time? (Ik it’s a stupid question but I haven’t played in ages and I wanna see if I can still get it once I choose to replay)
@Rayan-West2 ай бұрын
The only thing stopping you from unlocking the tower itself is _fully popping_ 3'000'000 bloons
@Arandomperson2342 ай бұрын
@@Rayan-West ok thanks i just wanted to know if it was limited or not
@zachlewis97512 ай бұрын
The upgrades page should really show some actual information. I’d be fine with the upgrade hover or the info button having some interesting flavor text if *something* in game tells you real information.
@The_Awakening_Gamer2 ай бұрын
I have a great idea in the settings there should be a monkey description switch for the nerds and casuals.
@4d_shape2 ай бұрын
Popsiden looks good, ima try it soon
@noobifyedplayer94452 ай бұрын
funny thing, you can 2tc with popseidon and pirate lord (both being 0,5,2) pretty easily
@TheDemonChara2 ай бұрын
Yeah they definitely changed the target button on the UI... If you think that looks ugly go and take a look at the camo priority button, it's bad.
@Deevoized2 ай бұрын
Mermonkey is probably my new favorite tower. I love middle and bottom path tier 5s for different reasons!
@hollowknightbr88442 ай бұрын
Hello, i just got instantly notificated, and by everything i see from this tier 5 from mermonkey, he really have much dmg
@janKoloja2 ай бұрын
If they ever make a paragon for this it's going to be awesome
@aidenlikesfries69172 ай бұрын
Easiest cornfield no harvest chimps run of my life
@mikogram2 ай бұрын
Popseidon's so good that I did a 2TC using it with middle path sniper lmao
@notareetbot62642 ай бұрын
The camo targeting priority button looks even weirder than the new custom targeting button.
@gingeral2532 ай бұрын
16:48 damage acceleration, dps^2
@blue_elite9642 ай бұрын
052 poseidon is a lot better, as the seeking makes the t-blasts insanely powerful.
@joelbouma16402 ай бұрын
Also camo detect for ddts
@DeronTherelon2 ай бұрын
Will it release in the Netflix version
@abowlofwhitekids21122 ай бұрын
0-5-2 with obyn, 5x range buff, and jungle drums village has really big range and thats the situation i would pick bottom path. With brickell i agree with top path though
@Rohan_Spibo2 ай бұрын
You can get the Mermonkey start on this map to work, though yea sub obviously easier ofc
@darcidious992 ай бұрын
Oh thank god someone else noticed that the new lock on button on the UI looks weird, its been bugging me a lot and I thought I was crazy. Does the camo targetting look different too? Idk may just be me but it almost looks more saturated and "cartoony' than it did for lack of a better description
@mathislalonde3532 ай бұрын
the best combo with this monkey is with the glaive lord, and the bottom path of mermonkey for me. It's so fun to use AND it destroy everything and EZ B.A.D I had 95k at the end of my game in a easy map (ok it's an easy map but im not that good)
@iceklow3132 ай бұрын
I feel like Pat Fusty has his time to shine if you combine popseidon + pat's ability
@OGRedness2122 ай бұрын
Greek mythology towers only when?
@WabaAnimations2 ай бұрын
ISAB saving me to fall asleep yet again 🎉
@D34thtr4p_rblx2 ай бұрын
Popseidon goes nuts when god buffed
@Tree-swinging-porker732 ай бұрын
Bro is glazing the submarine
@zoltarservin5102 ай бұрын
can't wait to see a buggy mod of the 5-5-5 mermonke
@stevesamuals26512 ай бұрын
This map will be interesting to try without using water