He Destroyed Larry Bird - What Happened ???

[@jxm1677]

Grew up in Boston during the 80's and watched every Celtics game. I can say that Andrew Toney scared the shit out of me. He was so good and just dominated. The Celtics/Sixers rivalry was way more intense than the Celtics/Lakers. The Eastern Conference was loaded and every game was a full out physical battle. The NBA peaked in the 1980's.

[@scarygary-qq1pj]

What other lies would you like to share? 👉🤥👈🏾

[@marvinhunt117]

FINALLY DAMN IT!!!! Andrew Toney is getting his props! He could shoot the lights out. I actually got a chance to play pick up games against him when he csme back to USL in the off season. Dude doesn't miss. THANK YOU!!!!

[@jeffworrill4918]

If he doesn't get hurt, Andrew Toney walks into the Hall Of Fame. 🔥🏀

[@marvinhunt117]

THANK YOU SIR!!! I agree 100 %.

[@justingoldman3026]

Absolutely 100% dead on true. Younger people who don’t know about Andrew Toney need to look him up. Dude was so beyond tough

[@aaroncopeland3529]

Being a Philly native...its long overdue...the Boston Strangler

[@RobertO-kc5yw]

He's a teacher at Peachtree Elementary in Peachtree Corners, Georgia. Has been since the early 90's.

[@GM-fx2jo]

definitely....he was a great player...shame the injury affected his career the way it did

[@angelmatos9143]

Sean David should be the official NBA historian. His work is amazing & most importantly does justice to forgotten greatness.

[@chefqxe]

He is good because he cares about getting the history right. I hope he gets an nba office too

[@peat381low8]

But does he think that Wilt Chamberlain played against plumbers? And there are no plumbing degrees with in Yale,lol. Is Elgin Baylor a plumber who still holds the finals record for most points in the biggest stage? Jerry West? Oscar Robertson? Nate Thurmond? Bill Russell? Pete Maravich? Rick Berry making 30 points against black guys in the 70’s?

[@robertmorrell8484]

The modern day nba sucks and they just don’t care about reality

[@aabcommish]

@@peat381low8 Rick BERRY???

[@camailriawingo9599]

Angel Matos i believe he is 1 of the historicans, he study film and understand style of play and defensive philosophy and coaching strategy, etc

[@SeanP7195]

I remember Charles Barkley told a story that on his very first practice in the NBA he saw Toney hit 62 jump shots in a row. It blew Barkley away and was the first time he felt any doubt about playing in the league. Also, I used to be in the infantry and was always working out and very mobile. I got a job at a factory where you did the same movements over and over again and got plantar fasciitis and eventually a stress fracture. It basically destroyed my life. Like they said, it can heal but it will never go away. It comes back as soon as I have to do repeat I’ve movements no matter how long it’s been since the last case. Now, my foot pain is a daily occurrence and there is really nothing that can be done. Feet and toe injuries have slowed many a career and like Toney, it was frustrating to get people to take it serious. When you are limping at work people always assume you are faking it or “it’s not that bad”. It’s a shit injury to have.

[@ricolaw1033]

SeanP7195 same here. Stress fracture on foot from 15 years ago still gives a jolting pain sometimes like my foot is about to give out

[@tustari]

Lonzo Ball can't make 62 layups in a row.

[@briangpz]

I used to think plantar fasciitis was a bullshit injury, until I got it myself. For nearly 2 years, all I did was go to work, come home, and ice my feet until bed time. I could barely walk by the end of the day. Gained 20 pounds. Finally found a physical therapist who had experience working with pro athletes. He did deep tissue massage from the hips down, along with giving me stretching exercises to do at home. I used to think massage was bullshit too. Deep tissue on your calves and quads by a 6'2" dude in great shape is no joke. If pushed any harder he might have broken my bones. He also performed Gua Sha on the bottom of my feet. 6 weeks later it was gone. Find a STRONG massage therapist, and a Gua Sha practitioner. It's been a couple of years, and it has not come back. I do still stretch occasionally. Deep tissue massage on the legs, and rake the bottom of those feet with the Gua Sha tools. Try it dude, seriously.

[@camailriawingo9599]

SeanP7195 Toney was overall a above average NBA player

[@stevewoodson4635]

@@tustari you。aingt。near。right

[@camerenrandi]

If it wasn’t for Toney’s feet giving out on him, he was well on his way to being an all time great. His injuries took away his career

[@johnkomosa4089]

Yep, well said, you could just feel his sorrow when he knew he couldn't do it anymore. Heartbreaking, but he had his day. I never forgot him, never. Him and Doc are still very close.. Andrew had one of the quickest 1st steps basketball has ever seen, the coveted 1st step.. And the way he pushed out that shot squarely, and off the glass, bam...bullseye. . I had knee problems, therefore, a heart for Toney, such a Bright Star, faded too soon. We Remember you. Thankyou.

[@dwightlove3704]

@@johnkomosa4089 Plenty of ppl besides Bird were afraid of him.James Worthy said this as well.

[@lemongavine]

Harold’s Barkley claims Andrew Toney was the best player he eve4 played with.

[@jimmieparker8093]

@@lemongavine who???

[@lemongavine]

Jimmie Parker sorry. CHARLES Barkley. Not sure what happened there.

[@bnx200]

Thanks for the video. The "Boston Strangler" was my favorite player back then, along with Dr. J. I always thought Andrew Toney never got the credit he deserves. He was definitely one of the greats!

[@gregleavitt1255]

Toney & Cheeks were an awesome tandem and that Sixers/Celtics rivalry was a privilege to watch. So many legends on the floor in those games. Absurd amounts of pride, skill, intelligence, and heart. Always seemed to come down to the wire.

[@mookeychase0907]

Yes sir and as I tell people whoever won had to go see the Lakers so it was a three way rivalry Philly/Bostn/LA was the best ball I see n in my life #phillyfan

[@gregleavitt1255]

@@mookeychase0907 MAJOR DUDES 👊

[@mookeychase0907]

@@gregleavitt1255 indeed my dude👊🏽

[@arthurspencer6999]

I've been waiting for years for someone to produce a video like this about Toney. Watching him in the early 80s in New York, I was riveted by his flawless positioning and control of the ball - never an unnecessary move. Whenever I was out on the playground basketball courts, he was my greatest inspiration. Thanks for the post.

[@brandenbarnard5966]

Well fkn said my dude

[@kevinwilkins3248]

My favorite team as a young kid. The 83 Sixers is one of the greatest teams in NBA history. The Boston Strangler would have been an automatic first ballot HOFer if not for those damn stress fractures.

[@Amick44]

Very possibly

[@sdscipio]

He was instant offense, an unstoppable 2 guard. We didn't have cable in the Caribbean yet, but he was amazing. Peace Andrew Toney 🙌🏾

[@elrickpenn]

... But we did have the big satelllite dishes ... lol ...

[@camailriawingo9599]

Sheldon Scipio Toney was great starting and coming off the bench, the Celtics featuring The brains behind the operation, the lengendary Red Auerbach and HC Bill Fitch, KC Jones birdee#Legend#thehickfromfrenchlick McHale, Parish, Tiny Archibald for a couple of seasons, DJ, M.L. Carr, Jerry sichting, Scott Wedman, Buckner, Cornbread Maxwell, Chris Ford, Henderson, kite, Ainge destroyed the Easternconference in the 1980s, simply the best

[@Gunbei2]

I'd like to add a bit to the story of Andrew Toney. I am from Los Angeles and was a huge fan of the Showtime Lakers in the 80s. What is missing in this video is that the Sixers won the 1983 NBA Championship by sweeping the Lakers in 4 games. I was at game 4 at the Fabulous Forum and remember the frustration of that series because WE HAD NO ANSWER FOR ANDREW TONEY! And he made it look so easy while the Lakers were helpless to stop him. At the end of the game, the Sixers were celebrating on the court becoming NBA champs. I remember thinking, that the one consolation was that I was glad to see Dr. J finally get his ring. And I know that even though we had been destroyed, a lot of LA fans shared that sentiment. I also got to see Moses Malone actually smile on the court. Hahah. I had always wondered what happened to Toney since then. I have heard Charles Barkley say that sometimes Toney was so good, it was frightening. I remember a few years ago TNT did a fantasy draft of all-time great players with Charles, Reggie Miller, Kevin McHale, Steve Kerr, Kenny Smith and Chris Webber as GMs. It was a fun episode, but I remember saying to a fellow Laker fan from that era, "Why wasn't Andrew Toney one of the players they could have chosen?" My friend said, "Oh yeah! I forgot about that guy. He was great." Sadly, it seems most of us have.

[@bigkahuna5445]

@Gunbei2 Hey Bro I Am With You Like I Sad I Was In A Club In Los Angeles With Him After He Did Some Damage,SHEEEET ONE OF MY ALL TIME FAVORITE PLAYERS. IM WITH YOU 💯 BRO! SHEEEET! Oh Ya, You Couldn't Have Said It Better.

[@dominicmesserly7489]

This is an excellent commentary on Andrew Toney, especially coming from a Lakers fan. Clearly, you are a true basketball fan with an appreciation for greatness. Thanks for giving him his due and remembering him so admirably.

[@jingqi9106]

Andrew Toney was the original microwave. He could get so hot, he was unstoppable. The Eastern Conference in the 80s had so many good teams and one of the main reasons the Sixers were so good was a prime Andrew Toney, an unstoppable scoring machine.

[@imsljr420]

not that I alive during that time but going by history I always thought the original microwave was john havlicek.

[@jingqi9106]

@@imsljr420 You are not wrong, Hondo is one of the great wings of all-time. He wasn't a great ball handler and his shot was kinda flat but he had super endurance and he was in constant motion. He was great in transition and he was effective in the half court coming off screens. He had an excellent pull-up jumper and Hondo had one of the best banks shots ever and he could get HOT.

[@josephestes3899]

I became a 76ers fan because I loved watching the Doctor make house calls. I don’t believe anyone was as smooth an operator as Julius. Moses Malone was a consistent 26 ppg; 12-14 rebounds and he made guys like Kareem have nightmares. But when the big game was on the line and the cards stacked against Philadelphia, no one delivered in the crunch quite like Andrew Toney. He often stepped into the zone. No wonder Sir Charles says Toney was the best player he ever teamed with.

[@jingqi9106]

@@josephestes3899 I remember watching Doc during his ABA days on TV. He was young, athletic off the charts, and dunking on everybody. He also had smooth finger rolls and a nice mid range game. Prime Doc was such an amazing player.

[@descendantoffools9767]

Glad to see him getting much deserved praise. 6ers were my team in the 80's, great coach, loaded with talent and Toney was such a big part of that coming off the bench.

[@nolaanderson8770]

"The Boston Strangler"...a nickname given to you by your opponents is infitely more powerful than one you dub yourself!

[@camailriawingo9599]

Nola Anderson #Thehickfromfrenchlick

[@atomicpunk520]

So true ............ i forgot all about this guy , i guess cuz of the stars around him but i always liked his game & the "moniker" is like a trophy . well said.

[@johnc9711]

Thanks for doing this video. I was a huge Celtics fan, but Toney was sure fun to watch. Just a great, clutch player who played solid basketball. I really think he was the guy who put the great Sixers team over the top in the early 1980's.

[@johnkomosa4089]

Moses, Moses just rolled over. MVP, MVP! Just ask Doc, and Doc Loves Andrew, brothers. .

[@camailriawingo9599]

John C the sixers were good and became great for 1983, won 1title wit the acquisition of Moses Malone but 1980s was all about the altimate showdown, Lakers/Celtics rivalry

[@Amick44]

@@johnkomosa4089 Historically, Moses hasn't quite gotten his due. Houston, overall, just wasn't good enough. At Philly, Dr J was a legend. But Moses was as good as anyone at Houston and Philly. 3 time MVP, could have been about 5.

[@Amick44]

@@camailriawingo9599 And Moses took care of Kareem and LA. I know some say Moses killed everyone in that era. But few give him credit how he dominated. Not the case with Kareem, Wilt, Russell or Shaq in their primes. Moses and Hakeem get the short end of the stick.

[@carlosvaldez3093]

Damn. Why are almost all of these oldies so fundamentaly sound. No flashy moves whatever but their baskets are so satisfying. Jump shot, bankings, simple layups, long pass to layups. Damn

[@camailriawingo9599]

Carlos Valdez fundamentals and work ethic, that's what 1970s,80s,90s NBA was all about, so u adjust and adapt to the new eras of the nba

[@thomasgrajales6811]

They played liked it was supposed to be played....not this bullshit nba we have now

[@cappriment]

This Cats didn't play Year round Basketball, didn't play AAU, didn't have shoe deals and loved the game! It was special to play the game back then!

[@thomasgrajales6811]

Well said xed...the game has changed so much and has gotten so soft

[@Dbails-wu6gu]

Street ball influenced the game a lot when AI showed up. It’s more about looking good than actual fundamentals and skill. Don’t get me wrong, there is still plenty of skilled players when playing in the style of streetball, it just looks different. “we talkin’ about practice!”

[@sirrjazz734]

Andrew Toney The Boston Strangler!!! That 76ers team gave EVERYBODY FITS!!! They were the first Super Team in the so-called modern era. They may not've been the first Super team but they did have 4 All-Stars and a bench to die for. They lost 1 game in that entire playoff run!!! Thank you for talking about our Philadelphia 76ers Championship team of 1982-1983 because few before this video have talked about them.

[@elrickpenn]

... Real ... I remember that nickname ...

[@randysurratt9919]

Sirr Jazz I'm from Los Angeles and I loved the sixers they were no joke back in the day before Iverson and Barkley got there. The were the Model for east coast basketball 🏀. ❤️ cats from New York and Los Angeles must be honest.

[@heymikey6793]

@@randysurratt9919 🤦...shits on Iverson!!! The Sixer's weren't the model for shit!!! Stop with the lies!!! The Knicks were better at ever turn!!! #KnicksNation!!! 20+... #NYStateOfMind!!! 😉

[@papichefitup]

True nba historians know about them

[@sirrjazz734]

@@heymikey6793 The Knicks been straight garbage since their championship teams of the early 1970's. Pat Riley couldn't make y'all winners, Phil Jackson couldn't turn the tide, Isiah couldn't help y'all. Sure, you had great individuals, but never a team. Your best coach was Red Holtzman. The Knick aren't even an afterthought anymore. Right now, y'all getting ready for another FIRE SALE!!! The team y'all wouldn't let come to New York -- The Nets...are now ruling the area from Brooklyn. The Knicks are closed for business, I don't know when you'll ever compete again.

[@pucketts57]

Ive bout totally stopped watching basketball anymore but I well remember watching Andrew Toney play for the Sixers . He was such a talent & so fun to watch play even if it was on tv when I seen him Played till his feet were too bad for him to play but this guy deserves the Hall of Fame from way back as soon as he was eligible

[@anthonybrown4913]

He's still loved in Philly by the fans

[@jameschimino8757]

Thanks for covering Andrew Toney. I'm a sixers fan so I watched him play a lot. He was one of the best scorers to play here but you don't hear his name mentioned very much at all.

[@nubreaks2]

He was one of my favorite players back in the day. However, Ainge, not Bird, was usually tasked with guarding him as he was a guard, not a forward. Doc usually played against Bird.

[@Cashmere.Kufi_88]

Truth

[@leapdrive]

Toney and Cheeks were easily the best top 3 combination of guards in the NBA.

[@leapdrive]

Greg Hubbard, I loved watching Cheeks/Toney against the Celtics.

[@atribecalledlen3567]

@@leapdrive name the other 2 from that era

[@leapdrive]

@@atribecalledlen3567 , what other 2?

[@ackmino]

If you grew up in the east and knew anything about basketball, you absolutely knew about Toney. He was a killer and never underrated. That sixer team was phenomenal.

[@wyliegarcia5965]

Moses Malone has said publicly that they could have beaten '96 Bulls and he mentions Andrew as the X factor.

[@ackmino]

Yeah they should have won a couple more but the east was tough. Boston, Milwaukee and Philadelphia were all really bruta and evenly matched... New York could be tough and Detroit was on their way up. It was tough getting out of the east.

[@wyliegarcia5965]

@Cam Matthew Well, they swept every team in the playoffs, including Bird's Celtics and Magic's Lakers except for the incredible Milwaukee Bucks under Don Nelson who took one game. If you only get ONE, it might as well be the best one.

[@clementgeorge2449]

@@wyliegarcia5965 The 82-83 Sixers would of killed the 90s Bulls. So would the 80s Lakers and Celtics.

[@camailriawingo9599]

ackmino Plus the Boston Celtics were a more Superior team then the Sixers in the Easternconference in the 1980s, u know it and i know it.

[@vincentbrown1872]

He didn't destroy Larry Bird he destroyed the Celtics . Today's narratives that promote basketball as a duel between individual stars is terrible for it's a team game with many elements that go into winning and losing which get lost in this narrow focus . History will be forever distorted also as this caption making it Toney against Bird when Toney destroyed their whole team.

[@leoderosia9279]

The 81 and 82 series both went to 7 games with most of the games decided by 5 pts or less so he did not destroy Celtics in either series but certainly put them over the top in 82. What hurt Celtics the most was losing tiny in 82 . McHale made a lot of big plays himself in those sixer wars....2 excellent evenly matched teams in a monster rivalry. The 1981 war was probably most intense Celtic series I ever saw along with 84 NBA finals. I miss all the teamwork and great players on those bos, Philly, laker teams of 80s.

[@trple2]

Great point. The ¨duel¨ thinking is one of the reasons Team USA doesnt look so great in international play,

[@favoriteofalltimefoat]

Nobody ever destroyed bird even whn jordan went for 63 bird still had 44 points and a triple double oh and got the win!!!

[@vincentbrown1872]

@Jin Bambino DiGeronimo my point was more about today's narrative that promotes one player than it was about Toney.

[@MrIndyjoe]

Vincent Brown Amen!

[@mostwantedjames]

Andrew Toney was my favorite player besides Doc. He was sooo underrated, and the front office DESTROYED his career.

[@ferrantepallas]

Andrew Toney was absolutely amazing, I saw him play many times in Philly. Breathtaking.

[@mprattyh3]

Andrew Toney, another forgotten beast

[@camailriawingo9599]

Mike Pratt Toney was great and Len Bias and Reggie Lewis woulda been just as great and better before there deaths

[@dontdoittoyoself6786]

I didn't even know about him til this video. Michael Ray Richardson is another.

[@parishfletcher5567]

The Boston strangler 😎😎😎

[@oluhamilton2121]

EXACTLY!!

[@damianm7904]

Check out your patreon? You gotta be kidding, youre a grown man on youtube using footage that isnt even yours and you want us to donate you money? Shameless.

[@dontdoittoyoself6786]

He's not on 84-85 76ers in NBA 2k, smh!

[@ywoulduchoosetousethis]

@@damianm7904 spelling? Lol, when u criticize make the effort to dot ur i's and cross ur t's. We'll put it down to a fail. Up meds or om urself to transquility?

[@camaradiop3731]

Many don't remember that apt sobriquet...

[@tyronetaylorsr.9431]

The Boston Strangler

[@camailriawingo9599]

Tyrone Taylor sr. #Red Auerbach and all the Lengendary Celtics

[@NOYOUSHUTUP3.14]

THE BOSTON STRANGLER!!!!!! MAD CLUTCH!!! Good video. Keep showing love to more obscure players. How about doing one about Bernard King?

[@mosesfamilychronicals8275]

Also Connie Hawkins.

[@NOYOUSHUTUP3.14]

@@mosesfamilychronicals8275 THE HAWK! MAN THEY SCREWED HIM OVER!

[@MADNEWYORKER914]

Bernard King was the man!!!

[@NOYOUSHUTUP3.14]

@@MADNEWYORKER914 check it today's game 'Nard small ball 4...... 30-35 ppg 50-60 fg%. Lead the league in free throws ( yes I'm saying over James Harden) pre-injury ran like a deer quickest damn first step you could imagine (him and Big Game are tied IMO). Post-injury worked the baseline better than anyone since James Jamerson worked the BASSLINES. Beast mode! I'm talking Optimus Primal via. Beast Wars shit! Mr.Yorker I appreciate ya' my dude!

[@markthurman281]

Your comment about Mr. James Jameson workin’ the basslines is priceless! And I completely agree about Bernard King. When he was healthy he was as good as anyone who ever played imo.

[@broncobilly4029]

Thank you for making this video about one of the best players in NBA history that few have heard of. Andrew Toney was my favorite player when I was a kid. I haven't heard anything from him recently. I wonder what he's been up to.

[@shonuff3902]

Andrew Toney was one of my most favorite Sixers Dr J said they won that Championship because of Andrew.

[@MADNEWYORKER914]

Andrew Toney!!! That was back when the Sixers was my favorite team in the NBA!!! That was when "DOC" was the biggest star in the NBA, and "Chocolate Thunder" Darryl Dawkins was breaking backboards, and not just once, either!!! Dawkins was the reason why "breakaway" rims were created.

[@camailriawingo9599]

MADNEW YORKER Earvin #Magic Johnson, Larry #Legend Bird, Michael Jeffery #MrJune Jordan, Hakeem #TheDream Olujawon were the faces of the NBA in the 1980s going into the 90s and The Lakers and Celtics headlined the NBA as the 2greatest and most successful teams of the 1980s

[@91debaser]

Barkley always says that Andrew Toney is the best player he ever played with. Now maybe there's an element of Charles wanting to make sure he's not forgotten, but even so, shows the respect he had for him given he played with Moses and Dr J.

[@harrymills2770]

It's in line with what Bird and McHale were talking about, to open this piece. He'd be right up there with other megastars of the era, if not for foot problems.

[@cwvos]

PDB, I also remember Sir Charles saying Andrew Toney hit 54 straight 3 point shots in practice! Back in the 80's I lived up North. I went to the Spectrum in Philly to a couple of playoff games when Philly always played Milwaukee, ( Marcus Johnson, Sidney Moncreif ). Andrew Toney was very special, and one of my very favorite players! Not really sure how the NBA Med Staffs dealt with Stress Fractures back in the 80's, but it was really disheartening to see him trying to play and no longer being effective. In this day and age you can sit out as long as you want, but back then, you played with injuries you probably shouldn't have played with, or with pain. Young folks don't realize it was like a badge of honor to quote on quote, "Gut It Out", but in his case when he tried he ultimately just made things worse considering his condition, resulting in his career being cut short. It also didn't help that in Philly as I well remember, even down to this day, their fan base and media can be extremely critical, insensitive and down right obnoxious, when they feel a player of any of their sports Franchises isn't pulling his weight or faking injury. Andrew Toney would have been a First Ballad HOF'er, FOR SURE if he wouldn't have had those injuries. Great, great player.....

[@ericlind6581]

pauldanielbatty That should have been Hakeem Olejuawn.

[@ericlind6581]

pauldanielbatty That should have been Hakeem Olejuawn.

[@glennmckenzie6799]

pauldanielbatty doc was far past his prime when playing with chuck.

[@rocjackson5975]

Oh yeah, I remember Andrew Toney...."the Boston Strangler" was what they called him back in the day! They used to talk about how he had very strong wrists, which allowed him to pull up from anywhere with ease. He was a big reason they went "4-5-4" that year in the 82-83 playoffs and won it all!

[@chrisb3738]

Tony was a 2 Guard so he didn't destroy Bird as much as Ainge, Henderson, and Johnson. But yeah - when he got hot he was lights out. I remember a game where he got red hot until Rick Roby knocked him cold with a pick.

[@Amick44]

Exactly Bird and Toney didn't match up. A combo forward and a SG. But Bird and Barkley both rave about him. For good reason.

[@10scoach33]

If Andrew Toney didn’t get hurt, he would be in the top 10 best players of the NBA, hands down!!

[@watsonholmes3703]

Bone spurs in both feet killed him.

[@iamagr8hunter]

Watson Holmes stress fractures.

[@averyce2]

WAAAAAT?!?

[@camailriawingo9599]

10S Coach Andrew Toney, great player, top 10? No

[@10scoach33]

Camailria Wingo IK yeah not top 10 ur right, but top 50 easy, if he wasn’t hurt all the time, was just trying to make a point lol...

[@cccc3549]

Yes the Boston strangler. The Celtics went so far as trading for Dennis Johnson to play defense against him.

[@LynxStarAuto]

Well DJ at the time was the greatest defensive guard in the league.

[@johnkomosa4089]

Yes, Dr.J was a Small forward that could post up, and also run the court. He could play with his back to the board or looking on the ledge of the glass for dimes. Ah ha, the end quarter of his career, he played more of a guard position, you are right, as he took good care of himself, lighter less weight on his ailing knees, and not the power of the Nets yrs, more finesse and glide then power dunks but you'd see that old Nets player come out once in a while if you were patient, ah ha. Thinking of the break away he went over the young Cooper in the open court. To do that to Cooper, a great leaper himself, was really something. Folks forget how heavy they would double team Doc. For him to get 25 was some real work, dbbl and even triple teaming at times. Then along come Toney and... Malone, Doc could relax more and enjoy his Championship. Were we talking about Andrew the Great? Ah ha.😄 Awesome 76ers.. Long Live the Memory of The '83 Championship 6ers Team and that 76 to 86 journey. If I had to Guard Toney, ewe boy...."hey, you guys have to help me out, I am going to guard his shot, but he's going to blow by me, help me out!" Ah ha, 'Dig It..' The Original Ankle Breaker..

[@willsteele793]

Cam Matthew Bird said Toney was a great player. And the point by the posters above has to be well taken . I remember. The Celtics were such a great organization. Dennis Johnson was the answer to Toney. Bird is the greater player but injuries did cut Toney's career short.

[@dwightlove3704]

@@johnkomosa4089 DJ wasn't a SMALL FORWARD he was only 6-4 200 in his early years out in Seattle.

[@dwightlove3704]

@Cam Matthew '83 NBA CHAMPIONSHIP.

[@mattsharkey8437]

The most underrated player ever due to the fact that no one ever mentions him. Great video and God bless

[@bigraf3178]

So sad that Mr.Toney lost so many years of his career to this injury. At least he has the respect of the Greatest Players of his era.

[@stevewoodson4635]

truth

[@jessemac3067]

I'm honestly at the 50 second mark, and already am hooked. Your voice is perfect for this, presentation is amazing. That's a minute and a half. And I'm officially hooked. Your knowledge, rains supreme before even being shared! I'm excited for all the previous content to catch up on, and the future content!

[@scarygary-qq1pj]

Please become intelligent before posting comments. Thank you.🤡🦧🦤

[@ceewop1]

One of the truly great 2 guards of the 80's. Don't sleep on that Danny Ainge statement, MJ at the time was not on a winning team so keep his statement in that context. Larry Bird in his book, stated outside of MJ no one put more fear in him at the the 2 guard than Andrew Toney. There is no question if he isn't injured he joins Doc,Moses, Cheeks and Bobby Jones and later Barkley from those Sixer teams in the Hall of Fame. Do you realize that when the Sixers,Celtics and Lakers got together often times there were as many as 8 HOFers on the floor at any one time. How often can we say that happens now?

[@3313-c2j]

Little fun fact for you kids that weren't old enough to watch the Sixers and the Celtics play in the early 80s in 1982 in the Eastern Conference Finals in Boston when they were going to lose ,against the Sixers that's when the Celtics fans started chanting for the Sixers to beat la beat L.A BEAT LA and that's how it started the chant

[@spanky9753]

I remember this game, I was 12 or 13 yo. The tv in my household wasn't even equipped with a remote control

[@k.j.g.9601]

Alex Sher Hahahaha, me too. I was actually at my Uncles house and we couldn’t believe what we were hearing. Tough, hard rivalry but it was clear the two teams respects each other

[@computergeek3407]

I was 15 then and a DIE HARD Sixers fan! I loved that beat L.A. chant, but L.A. swept the hell out us.

[@leoderosia9279]

McHale was drafted in 1980 by Celtics, Toney in same year by philly....2 great rookies going to already very good teams and huge rivals

[@Fine39XMEN]

Thank you for this video! I totally forgot about him. That’s around the time I got into basketball. It was all about Bernard King, Larry Bird, Magic, Kareem & Dr J back then. People sleep on the lesser known players.

[@mindlink1811]

Imagine a prime healthy Andrew Toney playing today with today's rules and advances in sports medicine. He would average 30P a game easily.

[@Ryan2022]

What advances in sports medicine? The man has stress fractures in his feet. There is no magic for that

[@atribecalledlen3567]

@@Ryan2022 Bc of the converse

[@Ryan2022]

@@atribecalledlen3567 I do agree that advances in sneaker technology has changed the way the game is played. They probably do prevent certain injuries as well.

[@lowellmccormick6991]

I was finishing school at USL when Andrew Toney was starting. Andrew was a smart guy. He finished college in 3 years and enrolled in graduate school for his 4th year of eligibility. When Andrew started USL, the basketball program was just starting up again after being given a 4 year death sentence by the NCAA. Andrew's last game was against U. of Minnesota in the NIT tournament. I think it was the final 16. Minnesota had 3 really tall guys and they ran away from us in the second half. Early the next season, the 76ers played the Celtics and I was watching the intros. Andrew Toney - Rookie - USL. Kevin McHale - Rookie - U. of Minnesota. I didn't realize it at the time but I'd watched McHale beat us the year before in the NIT. At some point I helped build Andrew's house in Carencro, La.

[@Mustang1979]

Vinny Johnson from the Detroit Pistons used to shoot like Toney and he was a nemesis for us here in Boston. They didn't call him the "Microwave" for his ability to heat up in an instant, for nothing!

[@brgreg8725]

Hissing Cobra Danny Ainge gave him his nickname

[@mrflynn01]

I love me some Vinnie, I’m so glad he’s still in Detroit.

[@mdfrenchy]

Love seeing old NBA clips. I was a fan of the game back then, not so much now. The talent is simply incomparable.

[@cm37177]

😃

[@bryanmiller6110]

Toney was a matchup problem for the Celtics and a very good player on a very very good team. The 76ers of the early 80s were destroying everybody, not just the Celtics.

[@MrGarysugarman]

Also became a great defensive player. Heartbreaking.

[@mrstanbmw]

you can say what you want about Danny Ainge he wasn't scared he was a competitor and during his era it was viscious very physical play

[@Nhilzer]

Thanks for making us discover this guy. He was really smart, you can see it in his game, being able to us the board to pass under, or change his shooting form to avoid the block as he was not tall. It's always nice to see this kind of players, Jason Terry reminds a lil bit of him, maybe he wasn't as agressive as Toney but really smart and able to score when it was needed.

[@Davivd2]

Toney was one of the great "What If" stories in NBA history. If he had stayed healthy Toney and Barkley would have been a dominant one-two punch for the 76ers and the 80's would be looked back on as more than just a Lakers VS Celtics decade.

[@LynxStarAuto]

Chuck has said this himself. He has mentioned Toney several times during broadcasts.

[@Amick44]

@@LynxStarAuto Barkley and Bird both have immense respect for him

[@ckobo84]

If we are going with "what if's" the Celtics would have Len Bias, Reggie Lewis and a completely health Bird. And the Rockets a healthy Sampson.

[@satts1949]

Andrew was one of my favorite ball players of all time. I remember being really upset with the bullshit he suffered from the 6ers brass, Andrew had too much pride and game to be doggin' it!

[@LKaramazov]

As toneys been forgotten, so was moncreif.

[@reubenr4289]

Sidney was a great two-way player...my kind of players I followed and admired. It was about time he was put in the HOF (2019)

[@Amick44]

It's what happens with shortened careers. Like Kevin Johnson and Mark Price.

[@JamesBrown-bz2xv]

Moncrief said Toney was his most difficult opponent to guard.

[@jbwc]

AGREED

[@rondierice4922]

Playing in Milwaukee didn't help!

[@acornsucks2111]

When DJ arrived in Boston in 83, it all changed for the Philly rivalry. Bird went from being an all-star, to winning three MVP's in a row and going to 4 NBA finals in a row.

[@roymerritt6992]

Toney was a consistently good player whose skill level was on a par with other little mentioned outstanding players like the late Dennis Johnson of those same Celtics. And I loved that Sixers championship team because of its connection to the University of North Carolina with the former Tar Heel "Kangaroo Kid" Billie Cunningham being the head coach but the always tremendous Bobby Jones who had no game flaws. He has to be the one player you'll find that was universally respected in the game for his humbleness and genuine Christian belief. Rookie Sixers forward Charles Barkley remarked that "If the world was full of people like Bobby Jones it would be a better world." In the famous Carolina vs. Duke game of '74 when Carolina came back from 8 down against Duke in 17 seconds he was very much responsible for the victory stealing and scoring off of an in bounds pass, preventing a clean in bounds pass later and tipping in a shot. He is an admirable man who has said he never considered he would be capable of being an NBA player and having the career he had until he went to North Carolina and played for Dean Smith who taught him the fundamentals of the game and a winning perspective. And yet after it was over to remember it was only a game, to have as Smith described it that inner assurance that anyone needs to be a success in life.

[@sharpeguns1]

You are a true fan. It was Jungle war back then. They should have been wearing Helmets , shin guards , and shoulder pads. Damn tough players then

[@wyliegarcia5965]

Bobby Jones! White Lightening! The original rundown from behind block.

[@ozvaldo3091]

This was dope. I never heard of this guy till now. Subscribed

[@kevinsteele8771]

I long for THOSE 76ers teams 1977-1983 was awesome, should of won more than 1 championship.

[@gary6754]

from 77-85 the Sixers had the most wins in the NBA and it could have been extended if Toney didn't get and they didnt destroy the team during 86 draft

[@josephestes9959]

I don’t know how to they didn’t have 3 or 4 in a row. Going on a limb Toney is BEST EVER. Foot problems don’t alter the facts; they only stopped an otherworldly performance reaching the final act. And saddened the mesmerized masses who were witness.

[@kuunami]

Charles Barkley talked about Toney a lot in his book. Said he's the best point guard he ever played with. If I recall correctly from the book Toney's career was cut short due to foot problems.

[@wyliegarcia5965]

Mo Cheeks was the point guard for Sixers.

[@ragincajun7625]

I was lucky enough to see him during his entire college career (USL) he was phenomenal!

[@surfshack2]

Great video until right at the end. LOL.....Andrew Toney was one of ours....The Sixers! One of my favorites, i remember when he first came on the scene, it was like Who's This??? The guy was incredible and so exciting to watch too, he brought so much energy to the team. Ahh the good old days, the Sixers were an amazing team back then....it really was a special time

[@kylecole9433]

Sad reality is so many so called "basketball fans" don't even know he even exists.

[@dilfhunter5645]

kyle cole well this was 30-40 years ago... and i’m pretty sure most kids today weren’t born yet...

[@imsljr420]

there was this Jordan hater named bumperboy2sports, he still has his channel up but hasn't made videos in years and in his videos he talked about Jordan faced nothing but scrubs and in one he says "he faced scrubs like 6'3" Andrew toney".

[@kuunami]

True. I only knew about Andrew Toney because I read Charles Barkley's book when I was a kid.

[@camailriawingo9599]

kyle cole yea, i believe World B. Free who in the sixers organization was a more Superior player then Andrew Toney was and my Golden State Warriors valued and enjoyed the 2years World B. Free and Bernard King played together for us in the beginning of the 1980s

[@DNice-vg7bc]

This dude Andrew Toney is the reason I have a gold tooth. I was a Toney fan and still is. UNDERATTED.

[@michaelharrison4703]

What about Bernard king who never gets what he deserves

[@vanmoody]

Bernard had a group of years in the mid 80's where he was unstoppable. I loved watching him play. But he never won a title and scored on some bad teams that didn't go far.

[@damienkirksey7026]

Injuries hurt him as well

[@Gaderelli]

Another Flash in the Pan !!!! When the cocaine ran its course, so did the horse !

[@borismcgillicutty3042]

Watch the movie "fastbreak"

[@Amick44]

@@vanmoody Yes, but he carried the Knicks further than they should have went. How many others could have? Not many.

[@NKBobcat]

Great channel. I love old school basketball and I enjoy listening to your stories. I just subscribed.

[@mathematics480]

Andrew Toney had such a great looking shot. 50% field goal percentage for his career too.

[@robbpowell194]

Excellent, Sean. I learned something today. The guy was Fire. Kawhi would have ended up the same way if he had not gone to a team that believed in him and worked with him.

[@mjjohnson9925]

They named him "The Boston Strangler " for a reason.

[@LynxStarAuto]

Very true

[@ChristopherSmith-du8qi]

FACTS

[@mikes3827]

Yep. I was a young kid watching those VERY intense Celtics-Sixers series, and THE one guy on Philly I feared the most was Andrew Toney. Not Dr. J, not Mo Cheeks, not Bobby Jones, ONLY Toney. That dude could not only shoot like crazy, but he scored in bunches. Toney was instant offense, sort of like how the Pistons' Vinnie Johnson could score in bunches, but Toney had better range. Bird was absolutely right when he said it seems as though Toney is hardly mentioned or an afterthought, because he was a REAL good offensive player.

[@mjjohnson9925]

@@mikes3827 yep! I remember him dropping 40 on Michael Cooper once like it was nothing. The same Michael Coop who Bird said was his best defenders. Unfortunately, you have to be over 40 to understand. ✊🏾

[@johnkomosa4089]

Moses Malone was the MVP and the key to the 83 Championship. My favorite team. Doc finally got his ring.

[@maxx_life]

Man love your videos, best old school b ball talk on the tube

[@TheTradesmanLU2001]

When I saw the title I immediately thought “Bernard King”. People don’t know how bad he was . Injuries left me wandering how good he coulda been.

[@christopherwood2290]

Being from New York I certainly know how good Bernard King was. He made terrible Knick teams competitive on his own.

[@Amick44]

@@christopherwood2290 Absolutely. Bernard should a been in the Hall LOOOONG ago.

[@christopherwood2290]

@@Amick44 He scored a lot of points without taking nearly as many shots as a guys like Kobe or MJ.

[@Amick44]

@@christopherwood2290 true. Bernards' game was 15 feet in. But he always managed to get it in scoring position. And delivered.

[@camailriawingo9599]

Christopher Wood the #King played wit Bill Cartwright for a few seasons, those Early 1980s Knicks team were not that bad

[@pcj8029]

I grew up in Philly in the 80s and they didn't call Andrew Toney the "Boston Strangler" for nothing. He treated the Boston Garden like it was his home court

[@CoreyT127]

Barkley wasn't on those early 80s teams. He was a rookie the last time that team made the conference finals in 1985!

[@RobertFallon]

Your videos are the best! Thank you! Means a lot.

[@LeoThaLast]

Andrew Toney was/is one of my favorite players. Unfortunately, sports training, equipment, and conditioning were still in its primal stage in contrast to the advancement players currently have at their disposal. Just look at the Converses he wore. No support at all and must be a beast on the knees and joints. It's almost as bad as playing barefooted. And I'm sure he was drinking Pepsi, Gatorade or whoever the sponsor was at that time. Imagine players drinking Pepsi once pulled off the court and back on the bench to rest. Players have been drinking pure and alkaline water for a while now. A lot of players drink Fiji and other top brands. Sugar just doesn't cut it. How long do u think the body will last consuming Coca-cola or Gatorade? Their diet was horrible back then. That's why players like Bird and Jordan and Barkley who were all able to excel, despite the overall circumstances are highly praised and celebrated.

[@Amick44]

It's all they had. Baylor, Maravich as well. With their knee injuries as well. And lack of modern medical technology.

[@LeoThaLast]

@@Amick44 My favorites in this order. Kobe, Mavarich, and Kyrie. Just my personal favorites but I always wondered what kind of career Mavarich would have had if had access to the technological advances made in this era. I thought Jordan's career was over after that 1st ankle injury. the same injury that ruined Bill Walton's career. Prior to that injury, Walton was a player with a very similar style to (a healthy) Porzingus. He was really dominating. An injury like what Gordon Haywood or Paul George had if it had happened in the '80s, no doubt would have ended their careers.

[@cm37177]

Do you remember

[@thunderroad9910]

Wow man, great stuff!! Was a kid in Phily growing up in the 70s n 80s, your so right!! He was so underrated!!! I think it was Neal funk back then that would do the as he put up a shot....Ka Ka Kaboom when the shot went down the drain!! As it usually did!! Thanks for taking the time, this was awesome!! Robert!

[@TimrodRa]

Dr J called Andrew Tony a "scoring machine"

[@alexsosa266]

Heyyy love your old videos, good to see the man behind the voice! Big up to you bro

[@jacobbey1465]

Andrew always came with his "A" game. Most underrated player ever.

[@camailriawingo9599]

jacob bey that underrated title belongs to #TheLogo who was the first Domanat equally skilled 2way player on offense and defense and only player to be named nba finals MVP while playing on the losing team, yea he was that great as a player and check his resume as a GM and executive board and consultant in helping building dynasties and turning losing teams into playoff teams, 2 stints wit the Lakers, Grizzlies, Warriors, Clippers, #TheLogo #therealkingofLA, Andrew Toney was a super sub who came wit instant offense and moves and at best was a below average perimeter defender, but great scorer

[@alandenson6649]

But unfortunately he got to where he couldn't shoot anymore. Despite his early sensation my lasting memory of him was him getting in the way of Julius Erving at the end of game 5 in the '85 Eastern Conference final and disrupting a breakaway that would have extended the series.

[@josephestes9959]

Julius Erving might also likely tell you that Andrew Toney is the main reason he needed to remember to contact his main jewelry supplier to make sure he knew the answer when David Stern inquired about ring size.✊

[@ricolaw1033]

Toney was a 6’3” guard and Bird a 6’9” forward. DJ & DANNY AINGE we’re guarding him the most. Bird would only stick him on switches 🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️ Dr.J was Bird’s primary matchup not Toney

[@borismcgillicutty3042]

Dr.J is my fav but Bird ate him up

[@christopherwood2290]

@@borismcgillicutty3042 the Dr. was great but Bird had a much better skill set. Erving just had incredible physical ability.

[@wyliegarcia5965]

@@borismcgillicutty3042 Doc was in his twilight when Larry came into his peak.

[@briandunn4166]

Good call. Larry Bird is my favorite of all time. Andrew Toney was scoring machine. He always seemed like a quiet, humble assassin. I liked his unorthodox jump shot. It’s unfortunate his career was so short. I didn’t know about the issues with the front office in Philly. Respect.

[@edwardkennerly6882]

Boston strangler!

[@camailriawingo9599]

edward kennerly #TheHickfromfrenchlick

[@jeremychannel333]

Sean David, bringing all kinds of joy & history that woudl be forgotten if it wasn't for him! This was a great video it is truly tragic what happened to Toney; perhaps if they'd given him long enough time to heal he'd be a certain Hall of Famer

[@whatsyurprob158]

I watch these videos and realize just how 'old' I'm getting. "If you don't know who Andrew Toney is. . ." I thought EVERYONE knew who he was, lol! WWG1WGA

[@nunyabusiness7927]

Same here. I DO remember Andrew Toney. He was a beast, but he just didn't hang around in the league for very long. That was just when the NBA was about to hit its stride with the Lakers, Sixers, Celtics and later, Detroit and Chicago

[@sirrjazz734]

@@nunyabusiness7927 He didn't hang around long enough because he got injured, & sports medicine wasn't as advanced as it is today. He had a foot injury, that today 2020 would be handled easily. In Toney's day 1978, that was a MAJOR INJURY.

[@jjs777fzr]

Oh don’t worry. True Celtics fans of the 80’s have NOT forgotten Andrew Toney aka The Boston Strangler. Celtics fan here. I’m 49 years old and I’m confident Toney caused many Celtics fans sleepless nights. What a player. If he didn’t have injuries that sidelined him we’d be talking about him more than we do. Gawd he was good. Natural talent.

[@scarygary-qq1pj]

Please become intelligent before posting comments. Thank you.🤡🦧🦤

[@Iwillnotbepushed]

Good video. Very ironic how Toney and Bird both had feet issues and Bird back issues also. Eight seasons is enough in my opinion to put Toney in the HOF. Man I miss this era in basketball. So many great players. Too bad it has to end. “Time and chance happens to them all.” God.

[@jamesdunn9714]

Subscribed! I have been watching your videos for awhile and owe you that. Thanks. Great videos and commentary.

[@rushmuzik]

Another example like Derek Rose. I wish we got to ser Derek Rose without the injuries

[@ahugg1961]

So Many players from that era had their careers cut short by injuries or drugs. It's impossible to say how good some of them could have been. Toney was a killer!! He wanted the ball at crunch time. You couldn't question his heart. Not sure how I would rank him against other great scorers from that era. But he was fearless.

[@wgobyd5816]

Boston went out and got Dennis Johnson just for Him

[@camailriawingo9599]

WGO BYD i thought the Celtics wanted to get bird off the ball more as he played a lot of point forward and the Celtics were a team oriented Defensive minded team first, the true badboys of the NBA in the 1980s

[@camailriawingo9599]

WGO BYD Boston was a Better structure and overall better team then the Sixers in the 1980s in because of the genius of Red Auerbach Philosophy on Defense and in Style of play on offense and bringing in the right headcoaches Bill Fitch and KC Jones

[@gogetter5137]

I never realized that Boston won 63 games during the regular season in 1982! That makes what Andrew Toney did to the Celtics during the playoffs even more impressive! I believe this was the year of the infamous "BEAT LA" chant at the end of the final game as well. Greatest NBA rivalry of ALL TIME. 1981- Greatest series of ALL TIME.

[@LynxStarAuto]

You got to wonder what if they had the shoe technology, and health science of today back then?

[@camailriawingo9599]

Lynx Star Automotive and the p.e.d.s, obviously improved nutrition, and sports science, the NBA needs to be exposed just like baseball was exposed by Jose Canseco when it comes to steroid usage among NBA players, especially the stars

[@LynxStarAuto]

Camailria Wingo this is all sports. Nothing new. They used back then as well.0

[@camailriawingo9599]

Lynx Star Automotive that's what i was telling you while you was wondering interms of improved nutrition and technology and p.e.d., u understand!

[@camailriawingo9599]

Lynx Star Automotive everything is improved from the way players eat, there training regimen, to the customary shoes, even the padding underneath court floor, etc

[@michaelcrawley5211]

Nice post.... I remember him but he wasn't a name brand back in the day. Thank for giving this "Now Legend" his props they are certainly well deserved. I guess basketball especially the NBA was more of a local event and I had the Pacers so notoriety was only given to the Super Stars and that list is considerably shorter than in today's world.

[@BingCherry11]

I remember when the Sixers battled the Lakers in for the NBA Championship. The Lakers were accustomed to allowing the other team to shoot from the outside. Then simply grabbing the defensive rebound and fast break down the court!!! However, Toney kept making his outside shots. This messed the Laker's strategy!!!! Lol!!!!!!

[@MADNEWYORKER914]

You were probably a 🐦 fan!!!

[@joespitzer977]

Are you talking about 1983 when the sixers got Moses Malone in the preseason and finally broke through against Lakers, winning the championship after losing to them in the 1980 and 1982 finals?

[@mrsmiley707]

@@MADNEWYORKER914 what team is that?

[@estebanb7166]

I think he means "bird fan." Hence the emoji. I miss when people just used words.

[@joespitzer977]

Do you have footage from the previous year's finals between the Lakers and Sixers in 1982, Toney's first NBA final appearance, when they fell to the Lakers in 6 games?

[@sharpeguns1]

When bird and the Celtics say good things about "Andrew Toney" you know he was that good. I can remember watching all the 76ers and Celtics Games. I was a Celtics conversion from a Lakers fan. Then Toney. I prayed he would sprain his ankle or something. He was and is that good. I am so Lucky to see a player like. In the back of my mind. I rooted for him.Nay God bless them all, in his will.

[@Amick44]

Exactly

[@wellnesspathforme6236]

I always felt a healthy Toney was the difference between the "Fo', fo', fo'" Sixers and the Sixers that couldn't quite make the Finals. I didn't see him play the Celtic's, but I saw him help to destroy my Lakers in that Sixers Finals win.

[@alzinn8231]

Nzinn73 Moses said that when he was with the Rockets in 81.

[@alzinn8231]

Nzinn73 my bad, wellness path. I got that wrong come to think of it. I was thinking of when Moses called the Celtics chumps or something like that, not champs. I think that was in 81. Gotta get my facts straight.

[@wellnesspathforme6236]

@@alzinn8231 If Moses didn't know the deal, that's on him. Just saying that Toney opened everything up for everyone else. They went 12-1 against some good teams, but I think Worthy was out. Still, fo-fo-fo almost came true!!! IIRC, Bird basically said Toney was the difference, too. Not the best player, but his long ball made everyone else better in a way nobody else could do. The Celtics vs. Sixes was basically a championship round, too. Glad they finally got one now, but wanted Lakers to get all of them back then

[@alzinn8231]

@@wellnesspathforme6236 👍Larry said in drive that with the exception of Michael, he never feared a 2 more than Andrew Toney. Larry was always very complimentary of other NBA players, with the exception of Bill Laimbeer perhaps. The Sixers probably kept the Celtics from another ring at least. That was a great rivalry, probably not Lakers Celtics but the next best thing. Toney wasn't real flashy,either. Just got the job done.

[@alzinn8231]

Nzinn73 the eighties were a renaissance of basketball to me.

[@coachetch3416]

hey BTM, thank You for making time to Create this Great Video!...

[@warrenbryant554]

About time u do the Boston strangler if they play charles more in his rookie year it could went either way

[@imsljr420]

oh strangler. I thought it was Boston massacre.

[@warrenbryant554]

Naaa that was 85 finals game 1 lakers celtics blew them out by 30 they said cap was old Kareem the next 3 games change the series but bird back was crapping out due too helping mom's house doing lifting and strenuous work no p.ds available or supplement that can alter your body too play at certain level get it lol

[@imsljr420]

@@warrenbryant554 damn you're smart. you have a good memory and know your history. I can tell you didn't go to wikipedia to look that up because you replied pretty quick. you remember the game and year. guarantee a lot of people even if they were old enough to have seen it would only remember it Lakers vs Celtics but won't remember the year or game or any of that other stuff about bird helping his mom.

[@warrenbryant554]

Nope classic sports nba t.v non vivid memory of my grandfather telling me stories of the Boston lakers war going back too the late 60 80 real basketball not gentrified European corrupt corporate sponsorship

[@kurtjohnson4816]

As a big Celts fan, I watched every one of those games. I remember cringing and cursing, and dreading seeing Andrew get the ball.