The hours before Cloutiful vanished (#3 In the world) | osu!

[@BTMCLive]

Over 7 hours of live reporting condensed into a 53 minute video. It's a long one but I wanted to try to recreate the feeling of watching it live because tbh, you just had to be there. STREAMING EVERY DAY AT 10AM PST: twitch.tv/btmc

[@bettathanyall]

btmc can we make out

[@TeamYosh]

thank you for this video Ed

[@bettathanyall]

shut up and kiss me please

[@Winnie-ri4zu]

Please post more stuff like this mr edward its fun

[@Floatyoat]

@@Winnie-ri4zu its not often that a top 3 player cheats so idk if he can 😭

[@Glarses]

Something something active cheaters something something lemme see that bell curve

[@asher4584]

🤨

[@MSTR3_]

something about agreeing

[@doobldot]

bell curve ABOBA

[@AbdistYT]

accurate

[@HayderPlay]

what keyboard is he gonna cook

[@onionshavewings]

Why did I watch a 50 minute reaction video about players I've never heard of for a game I don't play

[@wayzen-osu]

You did. But the real question is : did you loved it ?

[@bradenmcneill1037]

sometimes its nice to get a glimpse into other peoples realities and see how passionate people can be about even the most unexpected things

[@MissTamTam]

I'm glad someone is in the same boat as me. The whole time I don't understand a thing but I'm just sitting there like mhmmm mhmm I see.

[@Shaggy.toenail]

same

[@swiftytooud]

me too, and i also saw someone i actually know in this vid. dorian/doworian is someone i know from a completely diff com, was surprising seeing him

[@juanacosta4351]

Wooting ended up understanding the issue with DKS being used this way. Their products are always riding such a fine line between allowed and not allowed, I hope osu! never has to ban their hardware

[@auchi-nt5ju]

imagine the day where wooting is not allowed to even be used anymore

[@bongalberttio318]

@@auchi-nt5juCongrats mrekk for holding number 1 for another 5 years!

[@anonymousbanana204]

@@auchi-nt5ju i will still use my sayodevice

[@KRAKUMAL]

​@@bongalberttio318 10*

[@Riyoe]

they can't ban wooting otherwise all the pp records of the last 3 years will just be invalid and the last valid pp record will just be like sunglow 3mod again

[@uyazz]

Active cheaters in the top 100? You really think we would let that pass?

[@Oyya2002]

nononono, active cheater IN the top 10.

[@KhacNguyenQuang]

@@Oyya2002top 3*

[@akiraie187]

top 100 in the active cheater? we would let that pass you think really?

[@rita-Shi-Mi]

@@akiraie187 Think we would let that pass? You think there's active cheaters in the top 100?

[@sihamhamda47]

This has the EXACT same energy as the SpaceUK cheater report in Geometry Dash (ranked up fast to top 10 out of nowhere and stayed there unnoticed for very long time before someone finally caught him)

[@ngarootzosu]

is 63 gonna be the new 727

[@CarolCanGame]

It seem to be. Every cpol play that involve streaming got those 63 comments or holding distribution

[@theneon08x]

940 pixels

[@nex3mber]

this shit gonna die out soon like the term worms for streams

[@beggo_]

​@@theneon08xEARTHUS!!!!

[@minhperry]

I can't fucking take it. I see an image of a random score posted and then I see it, I fucking see it. "Oh that looks kinda like the cloutiful 63 situation" it started as. That's funny, that's a cool reference. But I kept going, I'd see a game with ping that showed 63ms, I'd see that I'm on the 6/3 page on my school homework, my last notice to pay my electricity bill is 630.00$ , I'd notice that it's been 63 days since the last time I touched a woman. And every time I'd burst into an insane, breath deprived laugh staring at the image as the number 63 ran through my head. I'm scared to look at the time when someone asks me what time is it. It's torment, psychological torture, I am being conditioned to laugh maniacally any time I see an 2-digit number which is anywhere close to 63. I can't fucking live like this... I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't! And don't get me fucking started on the words! I'll never hear the phrase "when you see it" again without thinking of 63. Someone does pretty cool and respectable score and I can't say anything other than "WYSI." I could watch a man Fc hard underweighted map I love and all I would be able to say is "WYSI" and laugh like a fucking insane person. And the phrase "when you see it" is ruined. I can't live anymore. 63 has destroyed my fucking life. I want to eject myself from this plane of existence

[@monkee2079]

I think every top100 osu player should do a liveplay in which they are completely naked no table no chair no tablet just sitting on the floor playing with a brand new laptop which they have to unpack during the liveplay as well

[@mohamedzarif4473]

insane idea but tbf that's hard to fake so...

[@chuck948]

FIDE rules be like lmao

[@voca6175]

Just play the game, who tf cares about rankings

[@monkee2079]

@@voca6175 That was obviously a joke

[@monkee2079]

@@chuck948 LMAOO

[@daksharyan447]

The absolute roller coster of emotions we all went through live

[@popy922]

I’m scared there will be a lot of more players found cheating in the top 100 after all these cheating scandals

[@rokikubo]

there are already quite a few people admitting to or getting reported for the DKS thing. its sad really

[@Satoscio]

It wouldn't be a surprise honestly lol

[@theomnivert]

Its good. Deserving people should get their spotlight

[@syntinel9481]

+1

[@kentatf2]

@@theomnivert yea but not all of them knew its "cheating"

[@ClampyStew]

bro is making guac at his desk

[@kale8133]

thats the dream

[@JaySk8n]

to give context as to why the DKS isnt allowed when used this way. osu has a one movement one inout rule, you cannot have multiple inputs trigger with only one movement. The *deactivation* of a key is considered an input, so when you tap a key, you have two movements: down, and then up, that match two inputs: activating, and deactivating. in this case, cloutiful's upstroke is Triggering the activation of the key, *but* through DKS, it's also deactivating the key through essentially a macro, which is why its not allowed.

[@akasakasvault7597]

ok i get that but like you can get (almost) the same result by just having a key invert states (with the only difference that it will hold for as long you dont tap but like that changes nothing). if you only invert the state of your key, it's one movement (down stroke) to one input (deactivation). am i dumb?

[@JaySk8n]

@@akasakasvault7597 yes, I had the same thought! and I believe thats technically allowed under osu's rules. It's significantly worse though and I feel would be more like a gimmick. it would makes any sliders practically unplayable and overall itd be much harder than this

[@mystith]

by that logic, double tapping would also be against the rules - it's one movement providing two inputs, the only difference is that it's one activation and one deactivation instead of two activations

[@JaySk8n]

@@mystith incorrect. with double tapping, you have two fingers each doing two movements, both going down to activate the key, and then both going up to release the key. with this method, you still have the same movement and same amount of inputs, but cloutiful has essentially "unbided" his downstroke, so it does nothing and cannot be counted as one of the movements. that's the difference, because now the activation and deactivation are happening with the same upwards movement, which fundementally breaks the one movement one input rule.

[@fernando4959]

so it's bannable because the rule is "one press = one click" while wooting's macro allows for "one press = two clicks" ? I mean that sounds kinda dumb but I get it. You can effectively double your streams without extra effort, if the baseline is 222bpm, that means you can get up to 444bpm. Unrelated note, but is extra keybind also illegal? like what if you change other keys to z and x for more buttons? hell, what if you go full ADOFAI?

[@kamajamalaks]

Get these ppl into data analyst occupations damn 💀

[@absurddive]

Some of them are either on their way to become a data analyst Or already ARE data analysts lol Most osu!players I've come across are legit geniuses. *ACTUAL* geniuses

[@devd_rx]

I am learning ML, i hope i get a data job

[@kuzan_aokiji]

Software developper, I'm only 100k tho but I been enjoying osu for years (even tho my fingers aren't made for it...)

[@nom6758]

Its very likely they are in school for that, they are contractors, or they work for companies already. Having these skills isnt something you just get outta nowhere.

[@ganqr]

​@@nom6758or they are just there doing this because they are passionate about the game lol

[@Zaxtap]

“wallah” u not seeing paradise bro 🙏

[@fernando4959]

straight to jahannam with that one 🙏

[@miguel_noob6668]

we really went from "727 WHEN YOU SEE IT!" to "9x7 WHEN YOU SEE IT!"

[@thanhtamnguyenthi7073]

or (7+2)x7

[@opensand8228]

I hate you so much

[@SoYuukki]

@@thanhtamnguyenthi7073 TRUE

[@loominatrx]

​@@thanhtamnguyenthi7073 my fucking god I can't escape the funni

[@loominatrx]

​@@thanhtamnguyenthi7073 ong I can't escape the funni

[@kyowomii]

osu drama is either the braindead caveman stuff or the most complicated albert einstein stuff

[@bos-63ms]

18:25 "Doubters crying right now"

[@SnowyMKW]

BMC finally gained a rank

[@crudojoshuaricofort8795]

the end with all the keyboard workarounds feels so similar with the discovery of rolling in classic tetris lol

[@Rylika]

It did remind me of this but they are still completely different with the whole I press the key that activates when unpressing with a set time it deactivates. Vs raw input on the NES controller with each individual finger moving left or right fast. Needing Specialized hardware to do it vs. Everyone can do rolling on original/expexted hardware you own

[@kurokun07]

rolling is fine since every player can't do it. to do DKS is like having a ton of money and that already invalidates everything. that and peppy rules

[@ragegaze3482]

@@Rylika True except Rapid trigger needs to be mentioned as well then. Since you need special keyboards to do that as well, and that also gives an advantage.

[@pokefan05]

51:50 Not to say this is why they tweeted that, but if it turns out that it isn't bannable, it would mean basically anyone who wants to play speed would want a Wooting keyboard, which may also boost sales of the keyboards. It's a good move for Wooting, although it would mean that people will have to wait even long to get their hands on their keyboards unless Wooting expands (they've already said that it can take time and they can end up back logged since all the keyboards are put together by hand.)

[@chocomitony]

they most likely tweeted that because of what you're saying, and also because the tweet was made by the CEO of wooting, who reportedly knows nothing about the game. i also really hope this never becomes allowed because its a clear disadvantage, not something accessible to any player. (which to be fair, rapid trigger is also an unfair disadvantage, but to a much lesser extent than full on macros.)

[@PartyCrasher04]

@@chocomitonycouldn’t they add settings in game which replicate the keyboard? Or am i being dumb in thinking this? I’ve heard people say that it shouldn’t be limited to 2 keys so that people can use more for speed as well.

[@chocomitony]

@@PartyCrasher04 I don't think that's possible, its a keyboard function, something that can be done because of its switches and all of that stuff I don't know much about. I think it would ruin the game if it became allowed, its a rhythm game at the end of the day and people just mashing their way through speed maps is essentially everything i think is wrong with osu.

[@ragegaze3482]

@@chocomitony What the tweet said was factually correct as well, the only reason its bannable in osu is because it sets a bad precedent, not because anything the tweet said was actually wrong. It's the same amount of presses and same amount of actions as a result, It's technically not any more a macro than Rapid trigger is but the community almost unanimously agreed its too unhealthy for the game to be allowed.

[@chaptur]

this is probably one of the biggest if not, THE biggest scandal we’ve had in this game and it was genuinely so entertaining

[@Seven_twelve]

highest rank ban ever (excluding cookiezi), probably the most influential too besides maybe legendre

[@AsegahWasTaken]

spaceuk

[@krypto9217]

I love how after the vc with Dorian it just starts backfiring at him 😂

[@doworian]

happens

[@CiiTiiZzeN]

@@doworian clown

[@askplays]

poor guy

[@BakedKitsune]

The random cut to you making Guacamole is ICONIC MAN 😂

[@5treeX]

And then mrekk comes to fool around and starts setting some stupid speed scores with the DKS offline bro, thats how easy it was to get cheated plays with just a single keyboard like you don't even need a cheating software anymore. "If you enter the Top 100 or 50 it should be a must to liveplay" gnahus: 😴

[@MSTR3_]

surely by now gnahus has been in a few lan tournaments as he’s been a known player in the community for both bancho and akatsuki

[@cyberr7]

the only suspicion for gnahus is that hes good at the game, lets not start witchhunting for only that again

[@MSTR3_]

@@cyberr7 i agree

[@Kururin7x]

@@cyberr7no harm in asking for a liveplay though?, because he practically gave a liveplay that was halfway into a map so i dont know how people would trust him

[@Kururin7x]

@@cyberr7no harm in having suspicions especially when the player did not make an effort to fully debunk it all too

[@dragon_qtpie]

Literally the whole plot of this is “I’m gatekeeping this”

[@Axus743]

durgen

[@snizzle6174]

Here's a PSA that mosaic/blur censoring is not at all secure and can be reverse engineered into the original footage

[@bowarc]

Really good edit in the first part showing / explaining the first video!

[@blazewashere7479]

This the worst clickbait title ever. Change it to like "THE BIGGEST CHEATING SITUATION IN OSU! JUST HAPPPENED (#3 BANNED!) thanks BMC

[@iSniper]

fr

[@iSniper]

rip views

[@MSTR3_]

he should do it in a few hours or so just to push it a bit more

[@flleaf]

was it different before? current title looks good to me

[@lucasbruno8102]

Objectively better title, I agree bmc skill issue

[@RinX__]

the foot petal thing caught me off guard cuz wtf

[@Hyanna707]

Controlled vibro technique 🥶🥶🥶

[@EnderMega]

Not a big osu! player but I think the problem with the up-stroke is that you are, in the end, working with "1 finger". When you are double tapping your basically doing the work of 1 finger press, and the same for lifting. *For me,* this feels like a problem when you actually think that for each finger you actually need to do 2 motions for a key press: 1 - pressing, 2 - lifting. With this options you are basically playing with 1 finger in the sense that each key stroke is 1 motion, not 2: 1 - pressing (down) 2 - "pressing" (up). Again, *FOR ME,* this is kinda problematic, if this is ok, personally I would say playing with only 1 finger and doing down-stroke and up-stroke on the same key is ok. (You could double the presses to 4 by using 2 fingers with this "method")

[@JosiahCS]

Rapid trigger can't be considered a macro bc rapid trigger gives inputs based on the movements your finger is actually doing on the switch, whereas DKS provides a robotic alternation from pressing two keys at once that your fingers aren't actually doing

[@Playzify420]

Thanks for uploading this, very interesting stuff! But also ABSOLUTE CINEMA

[@dragonboydragon]

This is some of the best drama yet. Was sitting on the couch and everything.

[@allaboutgaming2187]

no idea wtf osu is, but this was a good video, very entertaining to see how people go about sussin out those who could be screwin their game and its community over.

[@VioTheCutie]

close enough, welcome back SpaceUK jokes aside, cheating as a top player, is just a stupid move. being a top player means that there would always be people looking up to you, so imagine how disappointed they are. Heck, even people who isn't looking up to him is already disappointed so much in him, i could just hope that cheating in osu! is being treated more highly

[@pupok999]

Imagine if Cloutiful was SpaceUK

[@nom6758]

You seem to be woefully ignorant on how human psychology works.

[@Attewir]

Doubletapping with one key activating on uplift is crazy, it's the equivalent of changing any OD to 0

[@austiniscoolduh]

the way you said "wallah" lmaooooo 2:26 im dying

[@EdotYT]

wasnt wooting also involved in a trackmania cheating scandle or was it just analogue keyboards in general that allow specific curve customisation

[@vitor900000]

48:22 Its clear to me. "Macro-enabled full-combo sequences". The way its written it means only macros that do full-combo sequences. In simple terns a replay macro. So a macro that only modifies the behavior of key is not supposed to be considered cheating. 50:23 Totally different from what he was doing. He is using a config/macro that only modifies the behavior of the key being pressed, not another. 51:00 They are totally right and are doing the right thing by getting involved. This behavior could easily be replicated on a hardware level with a few transistors.

[@dearestdennis]

17:54 - what if we just realized something scientifically cool? What he’s able to do with basically firing the fast twitch muscles to simulate vibrating that we’re seeing how fast our muscles can make us go. I’m sure if there was a “how many key presses per second” program was up, utilizing his fast twitch style, he’d probably be able to consistently get 1,000 taps a minute , which is 16 per second. 63ms I think = 15.87 taps per second

[@minyu0001]

32:16 whoever did that is amazing LMFAOOOOO

[@lukemaker4671]

I hate watching people review news through KZbin, but god damn this was fire. I still have no idea wtf osu is

[@doworian]

i got cooked

[@prawtism]

at least he spotted the doubletapping

[@chittasticchitta1164]

"THE PLOT THICKENS" has me rolling

[@youknowthatguy123]

Not through the video yet (about 20 mins in), but this reminds me of a geometry dash controversy where under very specific circumstances some players, seemingly randomly, would specifically have robot like same time reflexes/clicks. As far as I know the true reason behind this is known not. Edit: To put this in more context, the main phenomenon of the player who originally started the controversy and is clearly the ‘best’ at utilizing this exploit ( I want to point out that he deeply seems very cooperative and someone who has no idea why this is happening to him) seems to have the problem at all times during all things/programs. The other phenomenons of this issue (very rare) all have separate problems on why it is happening. Using OBS, having a different version of a mod, keyboard settings (that’s all as far as I can remember). I want to make it very clear that I am not part of the geometry dash community and am recollecting all of my story from a KZbin video that might be outdated. Edit 2: Just finished the video, and I can safely (somewhat) say that this situation is different than the skoe99 situation (thanks to ItsCakes7 for reminding me), but I still think this is a cool and similar story to share and it could be related to the geometry dash story in a way because I am now remembering that one player only got the issue when using mouse instead of keyboard (OR VICE VERSA I CAN NOT REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME)

[@ItsCakes7]

You're talking about that one video about Skoe99 right ?

[@youknowthatguy123]

Yes I am!

[@youknowthatguy123]

@@ItsCakes7^

[@ItsCakes7]

@@youknowthatguy123 Glad I could helped

[@ItsCakes7]

And also I don't think these 2 situations are very alike because for Skoe's case he didnt know he was cheating but for Cloutiful's he was aware of what he was doing and he abused the exploit

[@75tgvfby6]

46:50 NO CAP THAT SHIZ FIRE ONGGGG

[@Cxyphre]

it’s 2 am why am i watching some guy talk about bell curves

[@yui.mm2]

actual MOVIE, 10/10 cinema

[@RandomFishtankClips]

44:35 It's possible he wasn't using the foot pedal to hide it, it could be for when he just wants it on or off based on what he's doing. If you exit osu or want to type/use the key normally without it double tapping you'd need to toggle it off, then turn it on when you play.

[@ethanmct6455]

ABSOLUTE BTMCinema

[@Tooto_ro]

46:15 surely if someone designed the world biggest or heaviest keyboard, he can design this as well

[@chaoticfromvalorant]

I watched all 53 minutes of this video because I was left dumbfounded and entertained at the same time. He tried so hard to disprove the cheating allegations, like bro actually put so much effort into disproving the allegations, to go out like this is such a fucking shame 😭 Every osu! player now has to start over from scratch without using competitive advantage

[@HamzaKhan-uc5zo]

Now we can make fun of lifelines "top 3 player btw" clips again.😭💀

[@camppillow]

"trY it? I feel like I'm going to get bAnNed" His voice crack makes it funnier 😂

[@Tekzi_]

This is kinda like spaceUK exposing but in osu

[@aoitakushi]

im lowkey late but bro im flugging dead man the "7 digits in 2050" memes are coming to life LMFAO

[@jacquesalope]

31:20 so true, all i kept thinking learning about this was wow that's a load of his friends, his hobby, smth he was legit talented at and put time into, his reputation, investment for a decent tablet and keyboard, all down the drain. gambled off on his ego just like that. like what do you think he DOES now? read books?? valorant botting???

[@vestia1osu]

ABSOLUTE CINEMA😭

[@userunknown2771]

Also in Counterstrike the WOOTING drama goes on xD love it

[@soviratheng8856]

One thing I’m impressed that he can vibro his left hand like that. My left hand can’t even do it XD

[@Skrylex_]

18:12 that would work with a injector and a DLL file, which would inject the file, into the osu! Process

[@0Snack0]

I was here POG

[@aarontandy5890]

24:12 “and so this morning I wake up at 12 50”

[@c.aution]

Mack from google here, allegedly right if it's a new IP login into the account for the first time its going to will acquire more verification like his phone number or Verified to another phone that's logged into the Gmail asking for what's the number your new device has on their screen. It will be harder for new IP's to log in

[@marleymighty5781]

17:27 is so perfectly timed XD

[@retr0foxx_osu]

i literally left like 10 minute before the deletion of the replay video and stuff because i had to sleep man i really missed out i regret that now XD

[@cjam777]

real talk tho the glass screen protector seems so money

[@nabztotexchyy]

FUcking peak cinema my ass after reacting to that message "everyone will see" 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮

[@nonsencephilosophy]

727 When you see it 63 When you cheat it

[@ErebusFOG]

Why is dorian camera blurred?

[@et1033]

If I had a penny every time Wooting's firmware led to controversy...

[@Gamer-qr8ee]

You'd be Jeff Bezos

[@lynxowner5069]

First time watcher. BTMC using this for "research purposes" The double tap technique

[@BTMCLive]

THANK YO UFOR WATCHING

[@ArseneKichi]

gyze wake up btmc uploaded a new video

[@-Nexility]

seeing this video really makes me terrified of the internet and what people would do...

[@Zixio]

Would you guys consider this cheating or a playstyle?

[@HopeYukizmizu]

14:44 toggles which keyboard keysetup hes using

[@dxrrk]

his monitor is broken like that from a factory defect most likely, i'm not sure that he broke it himself. there's no impact marks or anything

[@tuxrii]

idk any damn thing abt osu! but i somehow managed to make through the whole video without getting bored

[@knifeuu777]

Im confused, were considering it cheating that he is essentially double tapping with one key activating on reverse key press?

[@Prushka]

When you double tap, you get 2 hits at the same time, but with the key activation on release, it makes it so that the taps are offset by a bit so you can pretty much stream normally with it. normally you can get higher bpm by double tapping but you sacrifice a lot of accuracy, doing this makes it so you will still be accurate even while double tapping

[@IzzyIsntReal]

Crazy that there was an ‘extermination squad’ for a guy that was legit when this guy was here the whole time lmao

[@mercury3718]

spaceuk is sweating rn

[@riyumint]

finally out for us to watch

[@xbasxt]

Bro I know plasma irl bro was feeling it LOL he told me all about it and I was completely baffled as to the whole situation LMAO. Shits wild he just chatted to me about it and explained everything (ive played a little osu but nowhere near any good). was wild. nice vid :)

[@Sad_Face]

dude almost became the spaceuk of osu

[@IdyllicWT]

17:10 that's typical osu! top player energy tho

[@itsyahlol]

had to put it in 2x speed. It really saved me 🙏🙏

[@mageofanime1972]

there is no chosen one 😢

[@Commando23414221998]

40:25 funniest twitch chatter in history

[@fieryr]

fr, I came back to this because I just remembered of that

[@Noobie-hx8tc]

This is a movie for the price of 0.Damn

[@jackyngo2603]

Kinda crazy this all happening live

[@kumium]

why are we moving back from butterfly clicking to jitter clicking 😭😭

[@qrae_qrae6629]

welcome to the new era of osu! hackusation (/j) where in bell curves are now a variable

[@underfale8742]

The Third Variant of osu

[@kirei9013]

brother even put it on wallah

[@laipi3212]

Nice editing dudeeeeeee

[@adr2t]

In one way I understand how it is cheating - but I would argue with them that reversing a key stroke is about the same as pressing it, so not really that crazy to me - or about the same as pressing two keys at once if that is allowed. Really it just comes down to rules though - the dude wasnt using software or anything else but what tools he had with the hardware he had none more than any other user. If its really a problem, it sounds like games like these really need stander keyboard mice hardware more than anything to be consider on the "leader" board. It be no different than a pen tracker that has a higher precision scanner or feed back responder. If anything can perform faster - aka 1ms gaming mouse, would be consider a cheat as it does give more advantage over someone else who has less than of.

[@vezziGD]

Cloutiful is the SpaceUK of osu!

[@Cules832]

I genuinely think if he told people about this method instead of gatekeeping it would've changed the game forever. Yes he's cheating but he idk I think he's hella smart as well

[@goooce]

if he used different keys it would've been seen immediately because he's toggling dks on the keys he was using