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[@lisas44]

Poor Jin when he said it hurt his heart to hear those criticisms. He’s been wanting to go for a while now. Why I just love this kid, he’s always been direct and forthcoming.

[@정복희-h5o]

Oh mine

[@lisas44]

@@정복희-h5o ok treat him well pls.

[@mpeg8863]

He talk abt that voldemort more than we expected bec he's been receiving most of the backslash bec he is the 1st one to get to enlist. Jin is genuine, less filter and not the type of person to sugar coat. I love him, i just hope winter will be warm in korea so he can still be comfortable while serving

[@dyords31]

Those criticising for “not going yet” are most likely antis & k-poppies, even the media, forgetting the contributions BTS have provided to their country as a whole. ARMY’s will support whatever direction these guys take. They will not lose any of the ARMYs who are truly & irrevocably supportive of them. ARMYs WIIL WAIT for these guys to come back as a complete group in 2025.

[@정복희-h5o]

True 10000 %

[@alperry02]

Exactly

[@VK.x]

AGREED! That was exactly it & the general public men moaning they had to do it, so why should they get special treatment? They should also serve their country 🤦🏻‍♀️ I thought they’ve been serving the country for nearly a decade bringing the country economy up in billions per year! Showed how selfish & childish the mindset of the boys have. I can’t say Men, because they sounded like little boys having a tantrum! BTS shouldn’t of have to done this at all bless them. I hope all will come out safe & sound mentally & physically 🙏🏼💜 broke my heart my 10 year old daughter is😭 & I don’t know what to do to make her feel better. Shes very mature & said she’s scared they’ll be lots of covering up. So Jin won’t be able to tell the world the truth if he’s mistreated. I don’t trust the military base or government. They used BTS for financial gain & other famous & non famous boys winge like babies BTS should go, I’m scared army will slowly fall apart💔 she made me 😭 with her & I said here sent army a message, so she did on JINS music video whilst crying! BTS have brought nothing but joy & love to many homes globally. I send all you army family out there a big hug & love. From 🇬🇧💜🙏🏼🧿

[@dyords31]

@@VK.x If I must be honest, the main reasons for my fear & misgivings over this enlistment issue are the possibilities of bullying & mistreatment plus being taken advantaged of by fellow trainees &/ or superior officers (not the rigorous physical trainings because I know the guys will pull it off!). Their fame can do one of these 2 things, either: 1) be an advantage, earn their colleagues’ respect & friendship in the service OR 2) be the reason to harm them due to petty jealousy & pure malice. I just really wish (& will pray hard for this) that they come out with good physical, mental & emotional health when they finish this task. Not being pessimistic or anything (just being a realist, really) but, in any case of bullying or mistreatment by anyone to the guys, that it won’t be swept under the rug & will have light shed on it. Maybe I’m just over-imagining things but I will curse anyone who would subject my guys to any kind of pain & harm! They may be grown-arse men, yes but, that’s not an excuse for me not to be protective of them!

[@AnaMower-x2e]

awww I never saw this video of Jin, each member will celebrate their solo song or album, but OMG Jin celebration it is beautiful, am sure he do the decor himself here, because hybe only do the cake and a sign lol Jin show us how much he cares and love us specially when he travel 72 hours to sing 1 song. And he left a video for each month for us to see it.

[@hesitrescobos540]

It's like he's sleeping beauty in that poster. Very inspiring person, giving new sides of him always, humble at all times, yes, Jin asking to use Wootteo when missing him makes me thing he's out of this world for a little while. I loved his braille dots in the neck saying ARMY.

[@crystaltapia8582]

Wow, their sadness at the dinner REALLY makes sense now 😭💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

[@tretonbullock7149]

I really enjoyed this live and how Jin was very open about Information.

[@kathyjohnson4212]

Koreans know from childhood. BTS has said this for the last few years that they always intend to go to the military and do their duty for the country they love. They have said they would ve honored to do it. It wasn't BTS trying to get out of it. It's the political government that as trying to because of loss of revenue. BTS has never shy away from it. People that blamed BTS are idiots but there are some out there trying to say they wanted to be exempted but that isn't the case. This just shows that they took it into their own hands especially be so close and wanted to get it over with. I believe they made a statement to their government as well. You aren't going to use us. I hope it's true what was said that Hybe is blocking government to use BTS even when they are in the military. BTS are very humble beings and are doing what's right for them and they are honored to do it.

[@RockBisonQ]

They want to be exempt but they never wanting to use their fame nor their impacts positively to get out of it. If they have the exemption great because the new law would pass and they are being recognized for their bridge of Korean cultures and traditions to the world but they always prepare to go because that is how the rule is there for all healthy men. BTS never coward about not fulfilling their duties even in games they play or works that they do, everything wholeheartedly.

[@AwakeningWings]

This is why BTS always says "trust us" but some people don't know how to trust BTS.

[@snagglejag1977]

He's really gone through the wringer over this military decision, but if anyone had ever paid any attention, they would have seen that HYBE and the boys were never behind the push for exemption. That was the Big 3 using BTS's name so that when backlash came, it would hit them instead of their boy groups. BTS has always said that they intended to go. Always. Yoongi even put it in a song. It's not fair that they as a group and Jin as a person caught hate because of actions that were never theirs in the first place. He stayed for us. We will wait for him. It's that easy. Poor Jinnie was so, so tired when he did this live. I'm glad he came to talk to us so candidly, though. I think it cleared the air in a way that was really necessary.

[@SugaVit]

Aaah thank u Ms Cummings! Am very disappointed in Mr Parker's reading of the whole situation. Neither HYBE nor the boys ever pushed for exemption. They were political hostages at various turns but some times the delay was also due to their wanting to do wot they still cud for ARMY. It was never about themselves. Mr Parker shud know, that's not in BTS dna & why ARMY loves them.

[@alwenawillis8813]

DT if you had any idea how so much harder it is to do your training in the Korean army in the winter you would be in awe of the sacrifice he has made for us. I have seen a video of it and it’s horrendous. Jin hates the cold and is very susceptible to cold and the flu so he will also be risking his health. But as usual he was his unselfish self. I don’t believe for one moment they were influenced by the fact they might loose fans, from the start they said they would fulfil their duty. Anyone who knows anything about Jin knows he is the most traditional Korean with probably Jimin and to them it would not even cross their minds not to fulfil this duty. It would be ingrained in them. Their fathers did it and some of their brothers have, to them it’s a natural part of Korean life. Most Army sincerely hope that the government leave them alone in their enlistment and let them: live a normal life and not exploit them to do free concerts for them which will not benefit them BTS at all. Much as we would like to see them we will be patient trust them and wait as they have asked of us. 💜

[@SugaVit]

Ms Willis, thank u, u expressed so well what i similarly wanted to but my English is not that great & comprehensive. I feel hurt for BTS that Mr Parker actually holds the view that the boys had actually wanted exemption but after awhile realize public opinion wud've hurt their standing with ARMY. That's utter nonsense. They hv always said they want to serve. But various factors stymied them at every turn & ultimately they actually, esp Jin, did Busan for ARMY & for the country's expo bid.

[@alwenawillis8813]

@@SugaVit thank you for your comments. I think sometimes people just fail to see what they have been telling us all along and that is that they would serve. I am sure no young man in South Korea really wants to go but they know it’s their duty and are aware of the fact they are still basically at war with North Korea as recent evens have highlighted to us. I understand that our desire to always have them with us had many Army praying for an exemption but that was always our desire and not theirs as demonstrated with Big Hit/Hybe being the only entertainment company not petitioning for a change to the exemption policy. That should have been a real telling point to the Army on how they really felt. I feel had they been granted one they still would have enlisted anyway. BTS has shown their loyalty to their country time and time again, it is a shame so many fail to see it. I wish Jin all the best for his future for the wonderful young man he is! 💜

[@lauren0047]

Him putting the members and ARMY first before his own wishes of avoiding the really cold season 💔💔💔 We don't deserve him he's so precious

[@RockBisonQ]

Yes it broke my heart when I was watching it a few days ago.

[@tokitobe2450]

I'm sure the members and him are at peace with how it turned out but I'm not sure if I could have forgiven making him choose the group's interests over his, while knowing all the unwarranted hate that was going to be directed at Jin, which they were totally powerless to do anything about. But really, their company should've been fighting harder for them all throughout this. It felt almost like fake news when Jin's The Astronaut was actually promoted on the company's main twitter -- that's how terrible they've been at promoting Jin's activities for 10 years. It's like their guilty conscience finally kicked in at the last possible moment.

[@lauren0047]

@@tokitobe2450 nah i don't agree with that. clearly the company asked for his own choices, they just had to be in line with the rest of the members. and the astronaut promo has been fine.

[@yamini5393]

@@lauren0047 tbh though he chose group or armys but i m worried about his condition .he has issues with cold .his hypermobility acts up in cold .His finger joints might pain him as he is always having hot packs in his hands and hot patches in his whole body .I remember members telling that jin can't tolerate cold weather thats why if they have hand warmer they used to first give it to jin. he always get injury on his fingers only bcz of this condition i hope he stays ok as seoul temperature is the most in jan .

[@mokrmen]

Totally! I cried so much when I read that 😭😭

[@dejaned.9988]

I thought it was obvious they were going to the military when they announced solo activities. I had this exact conversation with my cousin when she tried to tell me they were breaking up. I explained the mandatory military service and how other groups released solo stuff while other members were serving. I assumed BTS was doing the same formula. I know many people wanted them to join all at the same time and be done with it quicker. But I think it was much smarter business wise to stagger their military start time while at the same time giving them artistic freedom of solo work. It’s actually a genius plan.

[@RockBisonQ]

yeah I thought the same thing but many don't believe so, we all hope they are not having to go though (well all mean true army)

[@aussiemandy]

Me too! I’m pretty surprised it didn’t even cross your mind at the time, DT! Maybe it’s only when you’ve been Army for long enough that the thoughts fit together more easily?

[@mysticshining]

I think the scenes where Jin is walking down the street and getting bumped into, if you notice they don't even see him, they bump into him and react as if he's not there, noone looks at him, noone "sees" him. The only one in the MV that does is the little girl, who represents ARMY. And you know here and there in their lyrics BTS, and I think Jin a lot speaks of finally being "seen" by ARMY, their fans. And the gratitude and relief they feel for that.

[@lauren0047]

No DT a lot of people guessed they would be going to the military when they talked about the break during FESTA 😄 Maybe it didn't get to you but we were talking about it on Twitter. It's standard procedure for Korean artists, they've known they'll be going since they were children. And BTS has said multiple times that they will serve when the time comes. Agust D even talked about it in his lyrics. Other entertainment companies were trying to beg the government for exemption so that they could also get their artists exempted. There were 23 different companies present when there was a discussion with the government - basically everyone else EXCEPT BigHit. But the other companies were using BTS' name to get the exemption rules, so BTS were dragges in the media for "trying to avoid service". Also the Korean government has been coming up with all kinds of scenarios for alternative service because "loosing" BTS will be a significant loss to the economy there. Like continuing performances during military but having to donate all the proceeds to the gov. because they can't earn money. So happy they didn't listen to any if that nonsense and are just going like they've always planned.

[@alwenawillis8813]

Well said💜

[@AwakeningWings]

DT has said he's not on Twitter a lot. He probably didn't know. I knew they would be planning to go around Covid or before Covid but it never happened. I actually thought they would go after Map of the Soul: 7 because that came out in February 2020 right before the pandemic started to spread. They could have gone in June of that year. They talked about going when Jin was asked about it at the press conference for one of their albums. Yes, the other entertainment companies tried to take advantage of BTS and BigHit. That way BTS and BigHit would take the blame and the other companies wouldn't be blamed. Everyone is trying to use BTS for their own gain. And the media would push their narrative and lie to the public. This is why BTS have said trust us and for ARMY to trust them. But some people can't trust BTS because they never cared about BTS in the first place. I am glad too, that Jin and all of BTS have taken matters into their own hands and decided to do this. I'm proud of them 💜 I was getting tired of them getting used by others. I am glad they stood up for themselves.

[@faizasamin13]

@@AwakeningWings I think Jin's plan was to go ms at December 2020 or January 2021 after their mots tour but pandemic change all of their plans. I feel sad for jin the most as he's actually going very late for his age. If he could go earlier now he can do whatever he wants. Army sometimes talk illogical like bts members will go together but reality isn't the same. In their festa dinner it look like some of them r not even happy with their group activities.

[@AwakeningWings]

@@faizasamin13 Jin just spoke about it in this Weverse live; that he wanted to go after BE but there were too many things going on at once so they couldn't go. I think they would have went together if it was earlier but Covid prevented the tour and everything was a mess. It's not that they didn't want to do group activities, it's just that they were burned out by so much work that they got lost for a while. They didn't feel like creating music as much and they weren't really growing musically. It was like the stress and Covid made them lose interest. I remember feeling like this in 2019, I was severely burned out and I just didn't have interest in creating art anymore. It's just all difficult when you're an artist and you just can't do it anymore. They were upset about the enlistment and couldn't share any of it with anyone. They couldn't talk about it at all with anyone because people twist their words. They kept this hidden for a long time, it must have been so difficult and the future is so uncertain.

[@popicalbubbles]

Jin is an incredible and sweet guy! I love hahaha that he sang happy birthday! :) so cute!

[@holyxuxa]

I'm glad they didn't go into the military during COVID because they helped us all get through that tough time.

[@springday6089]

BTS have to choose between 'not go to military, receive a lot of criticism, unable to perform for ARMY comfortably' or 'go to military, avoid the criticism, and able to perform for ARMY comfortably in the future'. So they chose the second option, for the sake of ARMY and BTS. Now it makes sense back then in the speech BTS told us to TRUST and BELIEVE them so they can make music for a long time. Tears in my face 😭

[@lauren0047]

My heart breaks because they've been planning to go since BE which is 2 years ago, yet people have still been dragging them (read: kpoppies, antis, kpop "journalism" etc.). Like they've known all this time, while everyone was busy debating whether or not they'll go, and they just had to stay quiet about their plans so that they wouldn't make ARMY cry during the Busan concert.

[@abigailreyes1503]

when he discussed about the military, this is the hyung Jin who is the leader of the group when it comes to personal matters, not a "BTS". and I sense that Jin is the fighter of the group...he is definitely using his hyung card. just so sad that he gets most of the hate from netizens and sorry to say from toxic solo fans of other members (they are not real army) when he was really intending to enlist months ago but had to defer again for the sake of the group and army.

[@judithmatondo8725]

Well said bestie

[@franciscacachero8105]

You said it right, Ms. Reyes.

[@marymary4700]

True, when it come to personal matters Jin is the leader. You can count on him. He can handle it calmly. Love you Jin! Will wait for you.💜💜💜😘

[@RockBisonQ]

not exactly, they are from Korean netizens it could be anyone. He said here and there and he said internet not weverse and never said it was from people claiming to be army alone. It is truly sad. Most of those people are Koreans though not international people.

[@alwenawillis8813]

Well said Abigail. He always said he was going and has only lasted this long for the sake of Army and his members. It makes sense his anxiety when he wrote ‘Abyss’ now as well as after the success of ‘Dynamite’ his enlistment kept being postponed and with him being the one receiving the criticism being the eldest. The strain and pressure must have been hard. I agree as well that he gets an extreme amount of hate fro within the Army from other bias groups especially one in particular and why I am not sure. It is sad to see Armies being so unsupportive and actually hating other members.To me these are just solo fans and do not deserve to be called Army. Army are OT7 and you are allowed to have a bias but not hate any other member. If I was the member whose fans did this I would so call them out for it! 💜

[@juliefletcher7602]

DT I think if you watched the festa dinner again, you'll see hints and clues on how things were going to be moving forward. Jimin and Jungkook father's lobbying for expo 2030 Busan, asked there sons to do it for Busan, understandably as it's there home town. The members must of course been on board for this too, my heart goes out to each and every one of them. Poor Jin though, he's sacrificed his plans for his members and Army. I pray they get through this quickly and come back safe, BTS_ARMY FOREVER 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜 We will be here waiting for 2025 We love you BTS 💜

[@franh8043]

The banner behind Jin says "Universe-wide handsome" 😉

[@nanayelena9375]

That's what I like BTS because of thier transparency and direct to the point when they talk and speak..as what I observed Jimin likes Jin because they are both open...I wish you all the best Jin...💜💜💜

[@reimeiloveme9783]

Jin jin jin...he is so precious💜💎🥺😭💙

[@cecilledamasco5999]

it definitely cleared the air - the criticisms, the speculations on special treatment - Jin just ended it with a good note and an emotional goodbye song to comfort us armys and his members

[@shairalynramos940]

Do you know JINHIT?? This is the pros and cons of being the oldest. He can say whatever he want to say! Hes always like this even before. Hes not scared of anything. He will say he want to say 😍💜 After receiving a lot of criticism, he wants to provide the reasons why. He consider army the most 💜

[@anniebeemusicetc]

Dear ARMY Brother DT, it was really special to watch Jin's heartfelt webcast with you! One thing Jin didn't mention is that they were giving us a Major Hint that they're getting ready for the military, i.e., they observed the tradition of growing your hair very long just before enlisting!! As a military veteran myself, I know they will discover new things about themselves and about their fellow ROK citizens during their service. Their military experiences will, no doubt, be expressed to us through their music! We should all be very proud of their honorable response to this commitment to their country!! BTS+ARMY Forever!!!💜

[@daisymay6638]

This is what I love about BTS their transparency is another level.

[@sucomp]

I ordered the album and just checked and it's not coming till the week of Dec. 4th!! UGH! I love Jin, the song is fantastic and so touching, the video is a beauty and so emotional and the performance made my cry in the theater and every time I watch it again. I am worried about them going to the military. It's not a good experience and the world is not peaceful right now. I will pray they all do well, and make it through unscathed.

[@Mj-lz7on]

Am I the only one who just wants to hug Jin in all his cuteness. To protect him from assholes just attacking him .

[@faithslayer500]

There was a lot of talk about enlistment back in June when Festa aired. It was the saddest part. RM talked about just wanting to be happy, free from the worlds problems, and Jimin said there was so much they wanted to tell us but they couldn't be honest all the time. They didn't want to leave us/each other, but they were committed to the path that had been set and it was unavoidable. I felt like they were mourning the end of their youth, and I was right there mourning with them, because even in 3 years time, things will never be the same. They wont be boys anymore. It's been really sad to see them being lonely in their solo content too. Like how much Hobi struggled without his members, and JK on his camping vlog. I understand why they are going, and I will wait for them, but Korea looks so bad in this entire situation imo. Giving out hundreds of exemptions a year, but somehow BTS is controversial? Give me a break. The hypocrisy is blinding.

[@FreckLedMarY]

If you re-watch festa 2022. If im not mistaken, Jin said he will be the last to release an album, it makes sense now cuz he was getting ready to go but......here comes expo 😅 You did well Jin...💜 I want wootteo💜

[@SugaVit]

Strange how most everyone cud see it cept Mr Parker!

[@Rose-lb9hd]

They were never planning on getting exempt, their stance from the beginning has always been going to the military which never changed. It’s just the government that tried to use their name according to their convince.

[@RockBisonQ]

Yep that was why Jin told the company he is going and announce it already. The company did so without the government knowing which so satisfy to me so the government now don't know how to react but coming up with that lame idea about using them while they are in services to perform which the money would go to the government since it is national interest and not going to the company nor BTS. Just too greedy and corrupted.

[@RockBisonQ]

He spoke to Chris about six months ago and July or August was the song arrived and Jin started recording in September. There are people who called themselves army still want BTS to go to military nor having no backbone and just jump on the band wagon, I don't think they are truly army, true army and true love will wait for the group no matter how long it takes. 2 years will fly by quickly we all save those money to go to all their concerts and buy up all the physical albums then lol. Although I am still heartbreaking whenever I think of Jin and he will be leaving me and other army, I cannot imagine myself going thru this 6 more times. I been crying since Busan Concert. I am just praying no one will bully Jin in army because he just too sweet and kind.

[@paulagrave9516]

So much fun and at the same time so deep his analysis of the work done and the military situation.

[@jujubeesbtsarmy0613]

I think you misunderstood what Jin said at the end. They didn't consider the criticism in joining the military. They had already decided to go to the military, but they were getting criticism because people thought they were trying to go. These guys have always had a sense of duty. They had planned to go since they finished "BE" which was 1.5 years ago. People were criticizing them beciae they hadn't announced when. So, it wasn't the criticism that made them go, as they were already planning to go.

[@cg.9219]

I had a convo with my close veteran Armys before we also had the same thoughts that they should have enlisted during the surge of the pandemic but then we also thought everything happens for a reason; from Dynamite's success down to this. When they first launched their own Instas, my Army friends and I already had a hunch that they will enlist soon. Everything does makes sense now, I'm so sorry for all the criticisms that they have endured. Screw the govt too to prolong the agony. Grateful for Jin for having the courage to open this up. We'll wait for them in 2025. 3 yrs will fly by sooner than we think. (Light note; we all have enough time now to save up for their possible World Tour someday) I pray for Jin's health and safety once he's in the military and to all 6 members..

[@jan_youremylullaby6551]

I never doubted that they were preparing for military enlistment because Jin mentioned it during the interview that they will go if they are called to go. I trusted his words for that. The members are responsible Korean citizens who love their country and they know that it’s their duty to serve in the military when the time comes. Other people are just too careless to make insensitive comments on social media about BTS and others are just haters of BTS.

[@zulynava4059]

“How long did they know they’re gonna enlist?” Well… since they were little kids. ALL KOREAN MALES by age of 30 have to enlist (with a few exceptions). Korean people look down on those who are healthy and try to avoid their duty. That’s why I think they never will accept a special treatment, they know that, that will haunt them forever. The other option is going to jail and a few citizens with conscientious objection actually do.

[@vanessaemano5357]

I'm denial that they're preparing for enlistment on our last festa. Turns out I'm right. Jin talking about this openly is like a big burden was lifted off from his broad shoulder. Cause he wanted to enlist long ago. And to think Coldplay knew it 6 months ago, wondering what could be his thought about those who are rushing Jin to go to army or asking Jin why is he isn't going to army yet.

[@jujubeesbtsarmy0613]

We had a clue DT! Many of my friends & I knew back in June it was about the military.

[@jinjinny9284]

But because of Jin and BTS, we survived covid era, if it wasn't because of them we don't know what would happen to us, while we hang on to them to keep us mentally stable and bring happiness to us, they have to endure to all the hate comment, cursing, and disrespect especially Jin as the oldest 😭 we don't deserve them 💔💔

[@Mj-lz7on]

I just reliazed Jim would be a pauser in reactions. He made me smile. Love u Jin

[@gyozaa8886]

So great hearing it directly from him - hopefully all the "expert" commentators can now stop offering their opinions. Just confirms and solidifies all the positive feelings ARMY have for this amazing group of men. Borahae 💜🛸

[@nuhkyah23]

Koreans know from childhood that they HAVE TO go to the military, they are used to that, their fathers, brothers and grandfathers did it. They had no choice, the question was just a matter of WHEN, so they always had that in mind and were always making the preparations. We will never really know how each member feels personally about going and if they would each still go if it was voluntary and not mandatory. The issue of exemption was raised by the government not BTS and I was following it very closely. Based on how long it was dragged out and the stance of some of the government officials, complete exemption was not going to happen in my opinion. It was not just a "BTS" issue but in order to make it fair they were considering an amendment to the legislation and that's a major thing. Special provisions or arrangements seemed more likely and may still be likely but I agree with you on the point that they made a calculated decision on the best way forward in order to preserve the brand and stay loyal to their fans.

[@RockBisonQ]

exactly it is like the anticipation they building so that people would buy everything and use everything with the mention of BTS name. Everybody using BTS which is sadly. I love them so much let focus on the positiveness and knowingly that we will have them as a group again in person in 2025. We better prepare mentally because this will hit us like tornados for six more times for the other six members who will overlapping joining military that is the only way they can finish everything by 2025. So respectively they will be going sometimes next March 2023.

[@Userbanoo]

I hoped they are going to be exrmpted but it seems a sensitive issuse for koreans so I as an international fan just can respect their decision, its really sad that they've got critisized, bts did an amazing job in introducing kpop& korean culture to the world & honestly speaking Im not into kpop, BTS is my one & only kpop group that I love & support forever❤️💜

[@jay-gu1ez]

I don't know if you'll read this, but as a K-army, I want to explain further Bangtan's military problem was very complicated because it was intertwined with political issues Korean right-wing and left-wing politicians wanted to use them free of charge on condition that they would grant BTS a military exemption BTS' military exemption bill has helped make politicians' names get popular, while BTS and k-fans suffer One of the reasons why politicians wanted boys was that their existence is very helpful to the Korean economy, but the main purpose was for politicians to use bts for their use. In fact, the current Korean government (right wing) is actually the same government that made Bangtan to make songs like spring day, am i wrong.(you'll understand what i mean........) As soon as the president was elected, South Korea's right-wing politician visited Hybe and pressured them and a sudden tax investigation rushed in....... Bangtan was forced to do the Busan Expo after after a year of persuasion (as mentioned in an interview by the mayor of Busan), and politicians visited Bangtan's parents to persuade them. Malicious articles about BTS were poured out for years, and BTS and Korean fans suffered severly. On Every day BTS received the award, malicious military-related articles poured out online so it was hard to celebrate. At that era, lots of ppl became a fan but also lots of old fans left because they couldn't take those bullshit.. Btw,In other words, BTS has refused for a year Bangtan was under political pressure because the city's hosting of the Expo was also a national task for the South Korean government(the right wing that almost blacklisted bts years ago). Forced to perform free at unprepared areas, Hybe and BTS paid 7 billion won at their own expense. At that time, fans couldn't understand why BTS and the company paid the full price for the concert. Because of that, BTS was misunderstood as colluding with the government..but now i can understand that they wanted to be "perfectly separate from the government" Even if it was to promote the expo, it would have been impossible for BTS to join the army immediately after the concert if they used tax money for the concert. BTS and the company spent more than 7 billion won(about$6million ) on their own, but thanks to that, they don't have to be involved with the government. BTS has done promotions for Korea and concerts for fans-especially Korean fans who haven't had a proper concert in three years They did not give in to the Government. As soon as BTS revealed their plan for the enlistment, the Busan city mentioned its "sorry to hear that and they wanted bts to do more promotions but failed" So what about The Ministry of National Defense? They opposed bts' military exemptions on the grounds of "equity." But did they really oppose military exemptions for equity? The answer is no The Ministry of National Defense signed a "military-related tourism contract" with Nonsan City And they said they want BTS tour the world's "military musicals" if they "joined the army together." The ministry will then pay $400 a month to boys and be able to use them like a circus animal to perform every day. I think the reason why BTS is joining the army separately is because they are trying "not to be used." Korean fans wanted Bangtan to join the army in peace and normalcy. Celebrities' military exemptions are a very sensitive issue and fans did not want "special treatment." But Korean fans are very anxious. We will continue to keep an eye on the government and the Ministry of National Defense . I hope the boys can finish their military service normally. And i hope when k-armys raise their voice to protect boys like we did to change the location of the Busan concert for the safety issues(* i bet you all noticed how fucked up Korean government is now by the incident that just happened...............), hope you i-fans to support with us.

[@tanyaperez4892]

A bunch of us did figure it out if you listened to some of their remarks during the last that festa. Especially with a few of Suga's remarks. It was evident they were going.

[@sun0679]

hope that BIGHIT will provide ARMY with content for 2 years. but anyway, we will miss the boys and look forward to their return. the main thing is that they are alive and healthy and happy

[@DDAENGBTS7]

they definitely will not leave us without nothing, but even if they did not i wouldn't mind tbh, just hoping they go and come back safe.

[@sun0679]

@@DDAENGBTS7 of course, the most important thing is their happiness and safety. I hope our love, the love of the multi-million Army, and the families of the boys, of course, will protect them from adversity

[@Super_Chamchi]

You sound like you only care about keeping yourself entertained by them. Have more love for them instead.

[@itzrihanna2011]

@@Super_Chamchi right

[@Janette1]

Yeah! This is a lot! Go Jin! 💜💜💜

[@angelpaula2432]

In the midst of the debates going on about enlistment back then, the gov did pass a bill right before Jins 28th birthday to extend his waiting period and every member used that bill two years ago. A new president took over and the ministry of defense revealed recently this year that they would make a decision about Bts before Jins upcoming 30th birthday- many speculated they were waiting to see how people responded to the Busan Expo to influence their decision. As expected the world expo was a big success but as you see hybe revealed Jin had decided he would apply to revoke his extension which was something the ministry of defense completely did not expect according to them and it made them look bad to the public, it was even revealed Jins decision was burdensome to them- plus he hasnt applied to revoke it yet but the government has to actually approve of this when that happens. The kicker here is that the new president that was elected after Moon turned out to be involved in some corrupt dealings and many suspect he wasn't even fairly elected. Now there are protests going on to punish him. If Jin and BTS had been exempted under his approval, it would have looked really shady- so Jins decision came right on time as every news network and their citizens are praising Jin, and this was right before the Presidents corruptness came to light. We dont know what will happen in the future concerning shorted service or altered , but no one can accuse him of being a puppet to the current regime and in the last regime it was clear even if they werent outright saying it, they were willing to consider exemption otherwise they would have never given the extension.

[@dnylolbe]

We army knew they were talking about military when they were in that table. As much as they were tired and confused about the roole they were playing in the world, we knew that Jin was in the age of going to the military and that things were different with the release of Yet to come and of course since butter and PTD they were acting different realising only two songs after years of doing albums and mini albums. The time was coming and everybody knew but the truth is we were hoping the Korea gov aknowledge their achivements and treat them as the cultural embassadors they've become and excent them from the army, and in a way i guess they were also expecting sth from their gov but at the end there was not such thing. Jin is such an honest and beautiful person. I just love him so much

[@kllojn]

Also watch RM and jhope attending the love your w red carpet ( it about brest cancer) and rm singing sexy nukim, Plus RM and Pharrell interview at rolling stone channel, it's amazing. Helps to understand them alittle more.

[@djinnsbetpools]

Omg. He's hilarious. I can't believe he still managed to insert an "In-Seoul" joke in here. 🤣 This in-joke with them will never die. Jin is never wrong because he graduated from a 4-year degree in a Seoul university. 🤣 I can't with them.

[@brendamiller5785]

What is "in-Seoul" please

[@ВинераАхмярова]

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[@RockBisonQ]

He explained to us DT one thing pushing after the other, they wanted to do this since Dynamite because they did not expect to get exempt (that is a long shot, I am sure it did cross their minds but they weren't expecting much knowing their government as well as they feel the burden of fill those duties being Korean men.). A very good number of armys including myself feel like it has something with military service which is due in December his birthday. When they said stop group activities. Many of the channels did suspecting that and many channels and twitter tweeted of hiatus.

[@joalgustas6498]

Lol I thought of the Simpsons when Jin was talking about the enlistment. It made me think of “are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet” but instead our Jin was like-“can I enlist now? Can I go now? Can I go now?” Poor guy tried a few times to get it done lol that’s why I’m sad they got so much hate for trying to avoid service. Jin was trying but it sounds like the success of the singles got in the way. I also wondered why they never just said it at Festa, but maybe the Busan concert was in the works but not everything in stone? Who knows? Glad they are getting it done now though.

[@9999Ives]

Think there was a time and place and was told by hybe what to say; as he said there’s contracts to renew and if they said something bad then it would affect fans rtc

[@jimijin2020]

@@9999Ives Ya even in this live his choice to be totally candid was not actively encouraged. & why shud he still continue to be muffled, political correctness be damned .. hahaha if Jin was capable of such sentiment as i wud imagine Suga wud be.. he wud've had a "f..k it enuff already!"

[@eugeniahartley9927]

It seems they have known for awhile and the things they have been the last six months or so have been preparing Army for all of this!Like someone else said that the sadness at The Festa dinner makes much more sense!!! I'm planning to order the album!Jin is always Handsome!!!!!💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

[@alperry02]

They would never "loose fans" if they didn't go. Come on now. The people hating on them would always hate them period. Army, Real army, would have supported them no matter what they decided. Go OR NOT. Just the "others" (fans of other groups, political figures, media PAID by other groups, professional haters) would have had shit to say. But they ALWAYS do. No matter what

[@leigh2604]

That was great,, I love them more after hearing those words that Jin's shared,,,I'll try not to cry anymore when hearing about "Voldemort",,, haha

[@danceislife3888]

Of course they want to go to the military service, in Korea the Honor is a very big thing, they live next to North korea with a real possibility of war, they listened their grand parents and parents talk about this responsability about the army all their lifes, it's normal they want to go in fact all male members in their families went there before. It's a Honor and a responsability.

[@jujubeesbtsarmy0613]

There were a lot of people back in June who knew it was about the military... we knew that it was, but we also understood that they couldn't say it directly because so much, including HYBE investors, fans, etc. would go hysteric (which happened post-Festa).

[@Irinaira6179]

Some people can only criticize. They should be told to mind their own business....or offered professional help.

[@carlethiastreet7596]

DT, I don't know if I could take the other member singing the song to Jin. I get unto my feels every time I hear it knowing that he had ARMY in mind when this song was written and that he will be leaving at some time to go into the Army, It would be TOO emotional for me. The line where he sings "and I love you " will keep me going while he is away,.💜😢

[@lisas44]

CBS’ good morning show went to Korea in 2019 and ask them the question about the military and they said they were going to enlist when the time came

[@2ndmadaussie]

The Tannies have been saying that they were willing and even excited to serve for their entire career, even when they weren't supposed to mention it. The behind video for the 'Dope' MV in particular has Jin stating that he wanted to have a military career before being scouted and Yoongi also mentioned that he had given it serious thought, which was why he was a bit excited to wear the uniform for the MV. Jimin has also implied that he wanted to be a police officer as his form of service (military police is an option). Meanwhile everyone else has waded in with their own opinion about whether BTS should enlist or not - both internationals and South Koreans alike. From media, other idols, unaffiliated music industry companies, government officials, financial advisors, culture and tourism sectors, business sectors to discharged soldiers and, naturally, fans. We got governmental debates lasting over 2 years, public opinion polls planned but later scrapped, a 'wait-and-see-if they win a Grammy' approach TWICE, made diplomats as a form of 'service' that might be counted towards exemption at a later date, laws created allowing extensions and/or exemptions to name a few - but NO ONE asked for their opinion. These boys were raised with the understanding that this would be a part of the natural course of their life as a South Korean male. It is a source of pride for them to serve their country in this way. They have all been seen taking their physicals to ensure they are fit to serve since 2019. They never once asked to be exempted themselves, merely taking extensions given to ALL citizens that attend university. Even the 'special considerations' they were given were not accepted easily (surely we all remember the palpable panic of the government when they realised that the Tannies hadn't done the paperwork required with the deadline looming!). The 'unfairness' that Jin referred to was more likely due to the fact that they were being criticised when they weren't even a part of the conversation. It wasn't a question of 'losing fans' - if anything it was that they are acutely aware of the fact that they are the role models of their generation and wanted to lead by example - as they have done from the very beginning. Everyone still seems to think they have a choice. They don't. It's MANDATORY service. The 'BTS law' was squashed by protests from other music companies saying it's standards were too unrealistic to meet (even though BTS had!). Idols, as a rule, can barely even decide when they go. This talk of 'going all together' is, quite frankly, not up to them. The military decides who they want to take when and in what capacity. The military police, for example, has a very hard exam to pass to be accepted into. Previous idols have tried and failed multiple times. The intake numbers are fixed and if there's too many the younger ones will have to wait regardless. Why do you think everyone's been panicking so much? To be confident about a 2025 comeback shows just how important BTS is to their country. But why the panic in the first place though? Kpop is notoriously a hard and fast industry with 'comebacks' every 6 months being the norm. Bands are easily forgotten and replaced (not true for everyone but you get my meaning). Not in the West. We can go years without an album drop or new single from our favs so it's not the same for us as it is for K-ARMY. BTS knows this. These guys have been planning their exit strategy for years - you really think they don't have 100s of hours of footage they can release stored away at the very least? Most RUN episodes are filmed almost a year in advance for example. Hopefully such things will keep us from feeling their absence too keenly! Besides if you can't wait until 2025 are you really an ARMY?

[@Mairage]

Think back in Festa 22, they already know what's coming down the pipe. Jin already contacted Coldplay to help with the song. Remember what RM said, there's so much they want to say but can't. And they promised ARMY that they will let us know when the time comes.

[@rosec5807]

You didn't understand anything DT. In bts plans there was always the intention of going to military service, it has nothing to do with losing their fans.

[@franh8043]

I think it's good thing that they didn't go to army during Covid. They uplifted so many people with their songs and performances. 💜

[@Super_Chamchi]

They already planned to enlist after BE album, but things happened. It's not because of the backlash that they enlist. The backlash happened after the enlistment plan when gov kept using them for discussion. There is no calculation like you said. Most of us know what the Festa was about because they never care about solo projects.

[@yghjgdsgfdjj6147]

Eu amo BTS e sempre vou amar 💜💜💜💜💜🇧🇷

[@peggyloves]

But actually, it was MOSTLY JIN that got the hatred & insults about "NOT wanting to enlist," and it's happened since he was much younger, 24-25 yrs old? He's been hurt deeply for years each time he read those cruel, baseless insults. And NOBODY, I mean literally NOBODY, has defended him to date--neither the Group nor the Co, informally or formally! It's always been up to his FANS to do this horrible & thankless task! We've had to Report & Block thousands of sick antis' hateful comments, and sent lots of emails to the Co, even from fans of GIRL groups!!! So now, we cannot help but be grateful that he'll be able to get away from it all for a while. Now he'll have the time & space to review his life without having to think of the members, the Co, and ARMY first. Go with our love & blessings, Seokjin-ah! We'll aways be here for you. We've been through much worse situations, been with you through the years as you've bravely & selflessly carried the burdens of being the Role Model, always putting others first, and proving your love for ARMY with ACTIONS. The Astronaut is the last PROOF. We're so happy that so many great things have finally come your way, after 9 hard years. You totally deserve it! You're beautiful INSIDE & OUT! Now wonder all the people who've met you fall in love with you. Coldplay being the latest evidence. Our sincere, heartfelt gratitude to Chris, Guy, Jonny & Will for loving & respecting our beloved baby genius, Seokjin! God bless Coldplay & Kim Seokjin!

[@SugaVit]

Can u imagine how hard & painful it must hv been all that time for his parents... his brother... having all these hurtful sarcastic slurs & not being able to address/clarify. But i've always said, great credit to Jin's parents, throughout it all he exercised restraint, never once lost composure nor his, God bless him, his signature brand of humour.

[@SkyTheChipmunk]

The fact that Jin is enlisted makes me so sad

[@user-yj7mz7mt6z]

Like other comments said, We vaguely knew that they would have a military plan after Festa. But I waited until they mentioned it directly, Everyone must have kept silence for fear that the members or the company's plans might be disrupted.

[@anntyaze]

OMG DT, you really should not speculate . BTS went NOT because they were scared they were going to lose fans etc. They have always said that they would go to fulfil their duty as a South Korean citizen!!!! They had decided to enlist gradually after the release of the BE album. It's the waiting to announce that created all these criticisms and the national debate. Your speculation has left a hurt in my heart as if to suggest that they did consider an exemption.Your comment really triggered hurt in me.DT Parker I support you on all your platforms , this speculation has left me very hurt.

[@pmlcg1285]

54:17 yes, the members never declined about going, and also the government never gave a final answer about the exemption always getting excuses, they're were holding bts but the thing is that bc they never gave a clear answer out of nowhere they could just tell the boys to join the military service, it could be in one or two years etc, and the boys has their personal goals, so i think they decided to go now to be finally free

[@Taelosophy]

Sorry but for me it was evident that they were going to the army. All male kpop groups start solo activities because of the military service and also at that time jin said that his album will be the last one (it was a hint that he was going to enlist for me). It was pretty obvious.

[@RockBisonQ]

Also he was the only who was not emotional while other members bawling. He just chilling because he already decided to go but because his members and army he kept pushing it back. It breaks my heart so many times I love Jin so much. It was pretty obvious but I think many army including me still holding on hope of exemption that the government throwing bait at us.

[@sandys1890]

He flew 36 hours to be there ...including the lay over

[@Mbella354]

All the Bts members have never once said that they would not do military service!!! I think, just my opinion, their government was leaning towards an exemption but put Bts in a situation waiting for an answer from the government. Of course not being able to say something one way or another left Bts with horrible comments via internet. In conclusion if the government just gave them an answer yes or no earlier, I agree with Jin...let their fans know! ✌💜💜💜

[@256sarah6]

In the video the two cars that pass by are the two years that will go by when he is in the military and the third truck that picks him up means he will return to us that year.

[@btsseniorfan7482]

At 32:02..... being invisible in an unfamiliar place, with a sense of not belonging as he goes back to his space ship...

[@jayiti2262]

I think it's less of a WANT to go to the military but more of a want to fulfill the obligation and stop the stalling and the conversations and the government seesaw.

[@savinex6583]

Actually they couldn't get exemption and they wouldn't be able even if they wanted. SK gov was giving us so much hope, they even asked Korean public if they are okay with BTS exemption and many people said "yeah, they did so much for Korea" but even after that SK gov said that if they change things for BTS, they would have to do it for others in the music industry and they can't do it. They also wanted to give BTS more "freedom" in the military (like them being able to perfom, have concerts) but that would also means giving profits to gov.

[@susangassaway8038]

I’m very sad that they’re enlisting. I do not want them to go! I don’t care if that’s not popular.

[@jessicaleilu]

I actually think that the FESTA video was not subtle at all, i think ARMYs have foreseen from the get go that the boys were hinting about enlistment. If you remember Jimin was talking about wanting to be completely honest, but is very conflicted because there are just certain things they have no control over. Enlistment has always been a very sensitive topic for them, because they have always been very vocal about wanting to go. However, it has always been because of what the government, knetz, and antis think that makes it worst for them.

[@dejaned.9988]

Agreed

[@bourjoism3917]

I think Korea is jealous of BTS overall….it’s why they did not defend them that much for the exemption only internationals truly have them in heart ..I’m sure 1 million petitions at the blue house would already help them or protest…these k ARMYs only voices their rage when it’s about dating or tattoos…trivia things indeed..but when it’s really serious there is nobody..It’s sad

[@DDAENGBTS7]

About the thing of them being exempt, i think they just couldn't wait anymore for the government decision, this was taking to much time, tbh i think the government allowed bts to do the expo busan concert to test them with their influence and then decide, but imagine bts contributed with all of what happened to busan during the concert time and in the end they just decide to not exempt them? bts did the decision for themselves and i'm glad for it, in a way is sad because they get so much criticism for doing what everyone else does. People be saying bts wanted to escape the military but in the end they always wanted to go, they never denied that, people just like to shit on them for no reason, their success makes everyone jealous.

[@thesurvivor1855]

yes they wanted to go ....coz first of all It's MANDATORY to ALL Men in Korea to do military service.....

[@userj522]

lol hello DT in the golden time😊

[@Jiminx2]

I agree that they wanted to go to the military services but I don't think that any fans are saying that they have to go. I watch an opinion poll on KZbin and they said that a small community which is mainly older people and the other KPOP companies and Antis are those people of their own country , they wanted BTS to serve their country for different reasons. And some K MEDIA and some other KPOP COMPANIES and a lot of Antis saying these opinions or statements whatever you wanna call them cause they are thinking that when BTS are away for 2 or 3 years some other groups might be able to take over BTS spot and some other group might be next BTS but they didn't even have any idea or maybe they don't want to except the fact that there will be no next BTS in this century. BTS is always BTS and their Army is only BTS Army and we will wait for BTS forever. Atleast for me I don't think i was able to love any other group the way I love BTS. But I just want uou to know that Korean Army is also against their military service and they said that they have to be exempt for what they've done for their country. 💜🥰😇

[@Mikki-eo7yf]

Jin❤️❤️❤️

[@RockBisonQ]

No DT they cannot negotiate DT that is not how it worked. Even the officials were fighting each other at the committee. It is not about losing fans they decided because it is the duties the law is not passing for them. The new president is not fonding and appreciate like the old president. There also the minister of defense who adamant that they got have to go, and also seoulite tv and other venue had make petitions to stop them from going to. The defense ministry wanted to use public poll to decided to go with public opinion and when 60% came back said BTS should be exempt and need not to go then the government went back on their own guideline terms and did not use that poll using the excuses that the voters on that poll that pro BTS to NOT going were young people who selfishly decide that so the government officials just really dishonest. It is honorable that Jin decided to go but they don't have the choice. He was not able to talk about it because it was not announce that but now after the announcement of course he can talk about it now. BTS always honest about their feelings, it is their company that preventing them from sharing but Jin known for breaking the company's rules because he is Jin Hit Entertainment lol.

[@AwakeningWings]

There's a channel that spoke about all this and explains what's actually going on, check them out. The channel is called "Seoulite TV."

[@carmelmartin9215]

Thanks

[@leigh5972]

I do not think they will lose fans if they dont go to military. Hello? Army dont want them to go to military. Fans are worried for Jin.

[@jeanettasheehy3018]

ordered both versions

[@veratjandra6394]

31:49 .. if i’m not mistaken.. he explained .. actually Chris Martin can appear as cameo a few times … the TV anchor .. then the spaceship man .. then .. in the MV .. someone bump into Jin.. ( Chris could be that person who bump into Jin ) .. and the last one is the truck driver .. Chris can do all of those .. but Chris only choose one .. cause he said .. this is Jin song.. he tried not to do lots of Cameo .. ( Chris is a humble person and respect other Artist ) .. That’s what i understand.. let me know if i’m wrong 😅😅😅😅… Thank you 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@katebu5174]

One other pressure is about the sake of those in popular cultural arts, compared to classical or sports who often exempted. BTS is the only hope to be eqally treated as contributors so they can open the door for them. This is the reason they had to wait and not shoutout. They have too much burden on their shoulders.😭😭😭

[@deeh4607]

Idk I thought it was pretty obvious they were telling us not to expect group activities with all members bc of their enlistment. The timing added up with Jin's time running out until he's 30. Also, joining during covid right when it started would have been probably really bad ngl. My husband was in Korea in the military when it was still spiking over there and the restrictions were horrible.

[@suhayes7628]

Think They were being harassed by haters about why they weren’t joining the military… they were just tired of the government playing games with their lives, plus the constant bombardment of hate comments coming from everywhere, including some from Army. Think they should change the military system… make it like American military: professional military and the reserve military… which the reserve military is for athletes, classic musicians, government workers, Kdrama and K-pop stars train for couple months, then meet up every other weekend until their service is up|two years is up. This way no one’s personal life is totally disarrayed and there is no loss to their life’s work.

[@brendamiller5785]

It sounds like it would take years and years and years to fulfill the requirement....? ..

[@suhayes7628]

@@brendamiller5785 The Korean military require 18 months to 2 years service. So I think, men who don’t want to be professional/career military, then they should be allowed to do reserve military for 2 years, which starts with 2-3 months training, then serve every other weekend until the 2 years service is over… then athletes, classic musicians, government workers, etc…can do it. Plus, women should be included if they can meet men’s physical requirements and pass men’s pt tests. Think then everyone is equal and can do their part in protecting Korea and it’s citizens. Only having detrimental men health issues, that is, a person requires daily medicine and need medical assistance to be readily available should be exempt.

[@siutalccc]

not that they "want to" go to military. In Korea, all able bodies of men's have to go, regardless of his will, otherwise, they think its a betrayal to their country and all mens there. But the people can plan to go on which time slot to enlist