Elegant vs Marss - Ultimate Singles Top 8: Losers' Semifinals - Low Tide City | Luigi vs ZSS

Armada Elegant (Luigi) vs Panda Marss (ZSS) - Ultimate Singles Top 8 Losers Semi-Final - Low Tide City 2021
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[@mandalorianhunter1]

Dang Elegant had a great run again. This time he was taken out by his bracket demons again, Dabuz and Marss

[@colonelchester]

he did do that

[@ProperName24]

Yes but man he performed so much better against both of them. Marss usually makes him look like an amateur but I think elegant optimized the matchup. Definitely saw some mental fatigue towards the end but I believe elegant can go all the way with this character.

[@lyrics2challenged]

@@ProperName24 ofc he can lol. He's green Mario.

[@mandalorianhunter1]

@@colonelchester do what?

[@mandalorianhunter1]

@@ProperName24 Agreed I am glad he has gotten better at dealing with them. He is proving Luigi is high tier and I hope he does.

[@陳嘉宇-y4q]

Elegant isn’t even mad at the end , he’s like “ Wow Ggs “

[@The_Snailman]

Well I’m sure he’s frustrated at the very least

[@lyrics2challenged]

@@The_Snailman doesn't exactly have to be bro. Top player doesn't mean he's not end all be all satisfied with his results. Not saying complacent, just satisfied for now. I believe he honestly brushed it off. I think he'll eventually get over Marss and idk about Dabuz if he hasn't yet. Is Luigi really his only character he plays?

[@The_Snailman]

@@lyrics2challenged I don’t think losses can just be shrugged off, but I guess it didn’t affect him that much which is good

[@alfredo4460]

You just spoiled me the match, good job

[@The_Snailman]

@@alfredo4460 don’t read the comments then

[@dininelbourne]

Marss looking sick and TK sounding sick. The show must go on.

[@alexforgivenp3]

I was looking for this comment, Marss definitely doesn’t look good

[@sleepybinch]

They had TK and Coney commentating for way too long, TKs voice gave in that day and Coneys voice was shot the next day

[@sebastiansanchez375]

Mars’s is extra greasy or he has achieved max gamer levels

[@-Carne-Asada-]

Damn… that spike by mars in the first game was ballsy considering there was 1-1 stocks.

[@lagspike7763]

That's just how Marss operates

[@cisummusic22]

It was guaranteed after Luigi did his side special.

[@UserName-dt3kc]

Elegant made Marss look so much shorter than he actually is like wth my mental image is ruined forever

[@f4lcxne869]

?

[@BlisteringBlue42]

Isn't Marss like 5 ft 8? He's pretty short

[@RamikinHorde]

@@BlisteringBlue42 lol what the average height of an American man is 5'9" he's barely short

[@BlisteringBlue42]

@@RamikinHorde Really? Huh didn't know that, I'm "6'1" and I'm the second shortest in my family.

[@willbuchanan6877]

@@BlisteringBlue42 depends where you're from, I'm 6'2 so I'm fairly tall where I'm from, but I went to Holland last year and I felt like a shortass

[@SirStarKnight]

Love this game. So many characters can reach high results. Luigi, Samus, Joker, Byleth, Pythra, Min Min, Olimar, Roy, Pikachu, Diddy, Rob... The list is soooooo long. It's not perfectly balanced like thanos would want everything to be, but it is a great game

[@sketchyforlife]

another excellent texas tournament for Elegant, i hope his hard work reflects on the next PGR because he deserves it. that Tweek upset was insane, it’s honestly a bummer that he ran into two extremely hard matchups for Luigi. Kudos to Marss though, it wasn’t particularly close but it made for a very exciting set.

[@lagspike7763]

Honestly matchups like zones and Zss makes me wonder why elegant doesn’t get a secondary but I have to respect his dedication. Also I’ve been a huge elegant supporter for a long time but my mans needs to stop missing these 0-to-deaths in top 8

[@lyrics2challenged]

@@lagspike7763 did you read your comment? Who knew you would struggle to hit a combo that can be escaped... Against the OTHER top players in the world 😯

[@lagspike7763]

@@lyrics2challenged I mean I agree it’s tough but a lot of other top players do difficult things against top players. Elegant got like 10 grabs on top 8 at 0% and didn’t convert any of them into a 0 to death.

[@epicfail1193]

@@lagspike7763 Luigi's 0-death requires very specific spacing, and is easy to SDI out of. So unless you perfectly read your opponent's SDI throughout the combo, it's not going to connect.

[@jayzwrld_]

@@lagspike7763 these are some unreal standards right here, lmao you have to perfectly read your opponent’s sdi the ENTIRE time. It’s more impressive that he’s in top 8 without hitting the combo

[@oreoj7346]

that hug at the end. heartwarming

[@Aquaticset]

elegant put in some work, i'm genuinely impressed

[@EthanALS]

You know elegant lost to dabuz and mars in this LTC. Elegant actually lost to dabuz and mars at the last LTC in 2019. AND elegant was double eliminated by dabuz at the LTC before that! It was 2018 and it was smash 4. That is the life of Luigi, just loose to counter picks

[@silvesta5027]

He got so close to beating Dabuz this time around though!

[@letsmakeit110]

and free wins against non-counterpicks. Luigi's just broken lol. for good and bad Like ppl hate on wario because he can 0-death you for one stock. Luigi does that every stock.

[@KevSB07]

Are they both using default controls?

[@ElRobin]

I think they are

[@harminh7648]

They are, you can tell from the "P1" above the characters head

[@zilllah]

@@harminh7648 i think you can set controls to no name

[@drunkenswordsman3373]

If I had a parent for every time Elegant is taken out by Dabuz and Marss, I might not be in crippling debt

[@danielwilliams693]

Lol now think about maister and how Leo always eliminates him

[@mugiwara7116]

Having more parents=having less debt? Wait till foster kids hear about this🤯

[@drunkenswordsman3373]

@@mugiwara7116 autocorrect ruined my joke, but lord knows I don’t take back things I say. Also it’s funny how it makes no sense. Translation: I’m too lazy to fix it

[@mugiwara7116]

@@drunkenswordsman3373 I agree lol

[@Mindgamingu]

Coming back to reanalyze this match and it’s wild how Elegant kind of conditioned Mars to stop challenging tornado, but in return made it so Mars quickly switched to spacing with Zair and playing a Rock, Paper, Scissors kind of play style. Elegant practically lost to himself because Mars is the best at adapting and punishing you for mashing. Predicting normal get ups, calling out tornadoes, SDI’ng out of all grab combos, punishing/challenging every recovery. Mars’ advantage state is so incredibly hard to beat and you can’t beat him by just mashing tornadoes or any other panic options. Same reason he beat Maister. Punishing panic options and just making them look like they’ve never played smash. You can learn so much from watching Mars sets. Funny after this Mkleo beats Mars by doing the exact same thing lol

[@awethailu1011]

Luigi tornado isn't mashing here it's just the best option

[@BlazePascal22]

Marss played insane this tourney, good stuff

[@demonicgrub1025]

These are my 2 favorite players, and its awesome watching them play each other.

[@willycheez7218]

I think this is one of those fabled unwinnable matchups

[@JB_CY]

But he won a game 👀

[@voodooedits785]

Marss doesn’t play the matchup accurately compared to other zss players. Zss camping just shuts down luigi

[@JB_CY]

@@voodooedits785 I must not watch enough elegant, I've never seen him lose to another ZSS

[@chalybee8689]

One of the hardest characters to catch vs one of the characters that struggles the most to get in...

[@shinjiluigi]

Yea this mu is the worst for luigi

[@lames_jahey9734]

Hold your head up, Elegant. That was a sick performance.

[@brendandefrancisco5817]

most of the times the commentators say Marss was "threatening" Elegant at the ledge he was actually just going for a footstool haha

[@SomeoneWeird-vx5jx]

That’s a threat. A both mental and physical threat

[@PurpleTanooki]

Marss looks actually dead

[@Kallen_ZSS]

Yeah I genuinely hope he’s okay

[@mdmakes8900]

Glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed that

[@Anonymous-tt1cv]

i think marss is playing a lot more frustrated recently, like he cant quite seem to play as well as he knows he can play

[@teoooo09]

Dude needs some sleep

[@javiervelazquez9225]

Elegant with the leg stretch though 😳

[@kestrel7493]

1:25 music sync with the jabs

[@muzl5456]

Everything I love about smash - aggressive - competitive

[@worldsboss]

Love the respect between them at the end

[@antonparas4782]

0:52 nice roll-behind punish w/bair from an approaching short hop (which had the option to be a nair/fair if elegant hadn't rolled behind)

[@danb8454]

Optimal ZSS gameplay ResidentSleeper

[@papi6518]

it's nice to see elegant putting up a fight against other high tier players.

[@calebw8189]

He didn't just put up a fight. He beat Tweek, dude. Even if Tweek was off his game that's crazy

[@Angeles707]

what song is playing it the first match?

[@炙りめんたいこ]

2人ともキーコンデフォルトなのすごいな

[@B1ackTheRipper]

How did Marrs get into losers? is there a game missing or

[@skuttler1796]

Dabuz sent him into losers. It's on this channel, just a bit further down :)

[@B1ackTheRipper]

@@skuttler1796 thanks!

[@matthewroman6807]

3:42 & 17:22 my life is complete again 😌

[@badmana5768]

Damn is that crowd sounds after ever engagement real? Lol it sounds edited. Crazy

[@gravyhippo]

Mans stretched his legs before a game of smash

[@KP-us1ld]

Marss lookin like patient zero

[@soggybread3951]

how did elegant do that standing reverse up air at 3:10?

[@ianhoril3678]

He landed on the platform in between hits and turned left before buffering the reverse up air

[@brysonmcfaull1218]

precise timing. if you want a reliable shortcut for doing this, consider attack cancel arial

[@Lele_Zss]

What's the music from the first Match?

[@Nandinandito]

Aria of the Soul, I think

[@Atomosphere]

Battle for Everyone's Souls from Persona 3.

[@murkanien40]

Whats the Name of the track in the First game Can Anyone help

[@keybladememoire8969]

i'm pretty sure it's aria of the soul from persona

[@Icee64]

Here u go kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHybp6ONftt0b9E

[@amiZa-qs7yv]

Battle for Everyone's Souls/Battle Hymn of the Soul

[@brendandefrancisco5817]

you can really see the ZSS nerf at 4:25. Nair upsmash not working at 0? big rip

[@jorgeadx2008]

-Luigi's down B

[@thewinkersshow575]

The nair was a bit high it should be true if it was timed later

[@nathanlevesque7812]

IIRC my initial thought about Mythra potentially being top-top tier was that it would come down to foresight. So far it hasn't been that big of a deal, but I'm still a little worried it could get optimized into something ugly. Susceptibility to edgeguarding is the other variable. So far I'm glad she's looking reasonable because this character BORES me.

[@thelordoftheweebs9501]

Maybe he should spam down b more next time

[@orlandorodriguez8270]

I mean he honestly should. Without the move he wouldn’t of done anywhere near as good in this match up. Zss would run a even harder train on him he needs it for the match up

[@thelordoftheweebs9501]

@@orlandorodriguez8270 I disagree with the first sentence. Marss would pick up on it and get punished hard.

[@lyrics2challenged]

@@thelordoftheweebs9501 nah. As you could see, it helped him way more than hurt. Even in hiis worst MU, Luigi down B is something that has to be done constantly to make people respect the spacing just a smidge bit more. It's just where he uses it.

[@aligrand6859]

Why didn't it spike?? @7:47

[@voodooedits785]

Because elegant was at too low of percent

[@luismise5780]

Elegant

[@searingvortex4082]

Cyclone is such a poorly designed move

[@jonathanlgill]

Yeah, it's kinda frustrating how it's invincible from frame 1.

[@codystork3008]

Give Luigi's cyclone to doc he goes up a tier.

[@hatboi124]

he needs it

[@jeepers3222]

THAT MOVE IS BADLY PROGRAMMED -the Box

[@SomeoneWeird-vx5jx]

The invincibility was already nerfed too. But Luigi needs it

[@andrewtaylor5883]

Ok. I'll admit it. Marss and Elegant are just quality smash players. Their characters might be cheesy (at times) but most people can't do it like them!

[@letsmakeit110]

good to see the real tier list starting to take shape. As opposed to the reddit tier list where they cant beat their local samus

[@goe5]

Marss is my favorite smash player! So amazing ✨👏😎

[@soju_b]

Coney hates inkling so much for some reason

[@ohianaw]

marrs looks so dead but still plays amazing

[@fwlmao]

Lmao the one person who disliked doesn’t like marss

[@lohn2559]

Showcase for why Luigi is not good

[@jeepers3222]

Nah just a showcase of how marss is

[@ohianaw]

Luigi is good but this matchup is Luigis worst

[@cellodabest]

Bro stretched to sit down and play a video game

[@MIGGY912]

They needa stop coney from commentating

[@psdjklgfuiob]

for fucking real

[@sparkfx5874]

And ppl say ZSS sucks lmao. That speed and frame data is ridic

[@voodooedits785]

Its a joke when people say that! I think zss is top 5 but that means bad lol #zsssux

[@greedo194]

This matchup is big succ

[@funjukebox1324]

For who?

[@ohianaw]

@@funjukebox1324 Luigi. Zero suit just bodies him. outranges him, puts him in disadvantage juggling and off stage her grab is bigger then his and she can run circles around him and he cant do anything about it. also Luigis grab combos barely work on ZSS. Its been bad since brawl

[@ClassicGaming7]

Aye

[@chalybee8689]

Marss misses to many kill opportunities because he doesn't pummel it's crazy.

[@TheAoki9]

You mean on up throw? I think he tries to do it as fast as possible to mess with his opponents' DI. By pummeling he would give his opponents time to DI the up throw correctly, allowing them to survive despite the extra damage...

[@jeepers3222]

No cuz then they’d be able to react and di out. You can see him do it in his goblin set. It’s called a di check where you catch them off guard, preferably when they’re running towards you so they’re holding in

[@chalybee8689]

Makes sense but I still think at 150 he can get 4-5 pummel to get almost 10 more percents and unstale his moves... it's always so close to kill. He also get enough %s for the next throw to kill instead of insta-upthrow back to back with a staled move.

[@TheAoki9]

@@chalybee8689 Yeah, maybe... I guess it's all such a mind game in the end. You need to constantly evaluate the risk/reward ratio, and perhaps Marss just values the possibility of a kill so much more than the guaranteed damage.

[@chalybee8689]

@@TheAoki9 yeah he's the top player in the end...

[@Simbaninogaming]

Marss hit and run kind of wack. He jumps and if he sees danger he double jump flip kick, Nairo’s zss was more entertaining to watch.

[@voodooedits785]

That’s how you play against Luigi. Marss literally almost dropped 2 games cause he didn’t camp enough

[@loghen01]

"Nairo's zss was more entertaining to watch" - No one, ever

[@foemon2345610]

In ultimate? Nairo's zss is garbage. In smash 4 I'd agree

[@jeepers3222]

He normally doesn’t play like that but against Luigi you have zero choice but to camp as hard as possible

[@funjukebox1324]

Does Zss win that mu? It seems like it, if the Zss camps a lot