iBDW vs Zain - Singles Bracket: Winners Finals - Smash Summit 12 | Fox vs Marth

[@TheRealMew2king]

Friendlies-cody activated in tourney :0

[@z-past1454]

Hi m2k

[@xaviera.5963]

@@z-past1454 Hi z-past

[@z-past1454]

@@xaviera.5963 hi xavier

[@seanjohn2876]

Composure is everything in these situations, especially against top players

[@thesmith201052]

Dammit Jason, I thought this was just a regular top comment and then I see it’s from the King!

[@SSB_Seal]

This was unbelievable. iBDW was 0-11 with Zain in sets before today, and not only did he pull an SFAT and counterpick him to FD, but HE WON THERE???

[@FriskXI]

Cody is an Sfat that believed lmao

[@vidalrodriguez2001]

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE BALLS!!! IBDW had plenty of that today🔥🔥🔥 great tourney win for him

[@upgamerFranzo]

SFAT also did something stupid by going to FD when he was down 2-0. Cody's cp on game 2 meant that even if he went down 2-0, Zain would then have to cp him to a triplat stage in games 4-5. Super risky since he'd have to reverse 3-0 him to win the set, but works better than going to your worst stage on a game where you can lose the set.

[@petterhalling1161]

Wtf is going on, melee is crazy

[@miste.remusic]

Fox counterpicking Marth to FD is now standard big dick energy in Melee. Welcome to 2022!!

[@classicrocksd]

"Just don't care if you win. I have so much shi going for me at home, I have nothing to be scared of if I lose" Translation: Cody likes having a gf lmao

[@ADavidJohnson]

mind games = "healthy interpersonal relationships"

[@MotivatedStudent2000]

@@colinmurphy2214 Excuse me, but why should I care about the female body? I don't like men who become effeminate

[@MotivatedStudent2000]

@@colinmurphy2214 So I should hug many women to become happy?

[@blackstar_850]

"pussy so good it got me like I be winnin' majors"

[@MotivatedStudent2000]

@@colinmurphy2214 Sorry, but I failed. I sent her a message: "I hope to not see you in-person, you won't become a friend of mine". I am an independent man who doesn't need women

[@ROCK_VEVO]

HE DID WORK

[@Lampaluile]

10:10 Literally the best shorten of all time

[@yomama5368]

you can literally see ibdw acquiring his eye of the tiger live during the set

[@akallstar5]

Eye of the adderall

[@FriskXI]

Cody has studied the matchup like crazy, did insane labbing and grinding, and it paid off. Incredible stuff, keep it up man.

[@itspapaho7898]

Paid*

[@FriskXI]

@@itspapaho7898 typo, thanks for making me notice

[@vgmilo]

Watching this back, Cody's dash dance is so clean and really won him the set. IBDW just understands Zain's threat range perfectly.

[@mantistoboggan537]

I think most people would agree that Marth's down tilt is pretty fast by Melee standards and is usually considered a pretty safe option. Cody's movement was so deliberate that he made down tilt look slow.

[@trueblueryu5713]

Sep 2021 IBDW: “Zain, just because it’s Roy doesn’t mean FD isn’t in your favor” Dec 2021: IBDW: “Mang0 and Leffen are watching? Time to show off!”

[@vidalrodriguez2001]

The character growth✨

[@Denton116]

"He counterpicked FD!? I can't believe it! What am I gonna do!? This is my best stage!" That was hilarious. 🤣

[@mrm64]

Melee just has those every changing story lines lol...love it. You'd think after the 5 gods era it would run out of steam but here we are...

[@MrShadow1995.]

I remember thinking after leffen came, it would end at that. Then came plup, Zain, IBDW, etc..

[@traplover6357]

We went from Fox 20XX to Puff best boring character to now Marth best character and FD is impossible narrative.

[@mrm64]

@@MrShadow1995. Deadass hahaha. Real talk, I want a woman to win a major soon and really shake the status quo. That'd be so dope to see.

[@mrm64]

@@traplover6357 LMAOOO

[@sk8ns4life]

Those last two games were probably the best i've ever seen a fox play against a marth. There were so many nutty micro things I saw that set. God damn.

[@adamquenano8563]

He quit LawSchool for this

[@rat4992]

This set was hype af

[@cjkmelee]

Cody has the spirit of silent wolf inside, now the greatest green fox to ever do it

[@metalgamer21]

I still am in utter disbelief that the FD counterpick worked. IBDW is just that cracked omfg

[@RIPxri]

Cody's mental glow up is absolutely insane, compare this Cody to Cody literally last year and its a different person, realistically a top 3 player

[@loiteringpenguin]

Cody just looked so much calmer throughout this set! Way to go to both competitors

[@park9199]

when did this guy get wholesome af? during his games with Zain? what a dude. props man

[@trashman1791]

MR NAGHMI, YOU JUST GOT WORKED

[@weilzudope]

couterpicking zain to fd is like when neo started to believe

[@XERX_740]

hoping for an cody mango final

[@myilmazalper]

PSA: Cody said after losing to KoDoRiN that he would start counterpicking to FD if he loses game 1, so he can have a chance to reverse 3-0 after he inevitably loses there (though he won this time so it wasn't exactly according to plan lol)

[@cyrnoz1803]

Still makes no sense. You have more chance for the reverse but have less chances to win the set overall since you just give away one of your counter picks

[@kevinfetters7040]

@@cyrnoz1803 Winning one game on dreamland and two on final destination is a lot harder than one on dreamland and two on FOD/Battlefield.

[@cyrnoz1803]

@@kevinfetters7040 You only have to win two on fd if you go down 2 0 tho Here he still had to play there twice. When he could have gotten that same win on an easier stage

[@kevinfetters7040]

@@cyrnoz1803 I think you aren't seeing the potential strength behind the counterpick method, no matter what you're going to have to play a game on FD and Stadium, both of which are marth favored, however if you strike to battlefield/fod game one and lose, then play dreamland next game, even if you win you still have to fight on Marth's two stronger counterpicks and if you lose, then you have to go to FD twice which is much harder to win twice in a row on, however if you start stadium that knocks it out of Marth's CP and is still a fairly winnable stage, if you win the Marth will take you to FD and if you lose you can take them to FD to remove all of Marth's best stages in the matchup.

[@cyrnoz1803]

@Kevin Fetters The thing you don't understand is rhat you don't remove them, you are the one picking them lmao. You are just letting them choose the rest of the maps. As you say you will have to play stadium and fd, so why waste your picks on them. Might as well keep them to choose where the rest of the games will be played

[@Sabbathfaax]

Fyi, the reason IBDW picked FD (I believe) is because if he picked Dreamland and lost, he'd have to win two FD games in a row to win the set. By getting it out of the way game 2 to go down 0-2, he doesn't have to win there at all in the set since Zain already won there via DSR It's a genius Strat

[@yoush3599]

Too bad everyone said sfat was dumb when he did it like 3 years ago

[@cyrnoz1803]

How is it genius ? You still give Zain at least one FD game for free, potentially 2 if you win there. And then Zain gets to choose between the other stages when he counter picks.

[@Sabbathfaax]

@@yoush3599 Not the same. SFAT picked it when he was two games down already because he just wanted to practice on the stage knowing he lost. He'd have to win 3 games on FD in his scenario

[@Sabbathfaax]

@@cyrnoz1803 wanna know what's better than winning on FD twice? Not having to win there at all. No other stage is nearly as bad for Fox vs Zain

[@cyrnoz1803]

@@Sabbathfaax I know, but if you have to win on FD twice it means you lost on other stages twice. You will have to play at least one game on FD anyways. Why waste your stage selection on it. Imagine it goes to game five : We get the neutral stage, FD from cody, another stage for cody and 2 for Zain. Whereas if cody doesn't pick FD : Neutral stage, 2 Cody stages, FD and something else for Zain. If you can't understand that, I don't know what to tell you.

[@kellen987]

This is the first time in my life I have had the thought 'damn, I wanna play fox'

[@gabrielcastejon7914]

What a great set and I love IBDWs new game philosophy of having fun but he needs a new hairstyle

[@Chesstiger2612]

What I realized this set: Zain rarely goes for dash forward attack options, like the raw "Mew2King grab". This way he didn't build up enough threat with his dash dance, and Cody managed to either take space off him or force anti-approach hitboxes, which then lose space on their cooldown. He never wanted to play the dash dance game. I'm sure there is a rationale behind it from Zain's perspective, but I'm still surprised.

[@timthewizard6102]

There goes my 20k points; great stuff to Cody!!

[@4purs]

Wow ibdw absolutely killed this set

[@indianax2shots925]

13:06 they are predicting eachother itches. Beautiful

[@Goosefactor5000]

After going down 0-1 in the first round, the decision by Ibdw to forfeit his 2nd best stage in the set in game 4 by CPing FD game 2 was a sensible hedge to ensure he doesn’t get essentially checkmated if he goes down 0-2. This is likely not a strategy that just anyone can do, but it works here because Ibdw has shown he can work effectively on both large & small stages in the matchup, which makes handing stage pick to Zain in game 4/5 substantially less risky. Whether it’s YS or DL, or something in between, he has the game to stay competitive. This is also a solid call if we operate under the assumption that Fox’s stages in the matchup aren’t that different in terms of win-rate after FD. Because if this assumption is true, he’s not even losing that much by doing this. Now, that’s not to say he isn’t giving away some percentage points with this hedge-he probably is. But, in exchange, he also 100% does not have to play the toughest stage by far in the matchup twice in a row while on match point vs the best Marth in the world-which, for quite some time, has generally been considered a death sentence to Fox players everywhere (in lieu of Mango willing a miracle into existence). Overall, fantastic set to watch with probably the best Fox gameplay I’ve ever seen. Superbly navigated both in the games, and with the decisions outside them. I hope this quality of play is something we can continue to look forward to!

[@Greatestfratus]

Came back to witness this set once again. Cody finally winning against Zain in tourney.

[@Knuckles0918]

Cody with the last minute pep talk before FD pick wow

[@dennisdunker8764]

Holy ibdw! Man he was runnin Zain. Damn

[@Flame26667]

absolute BANGER set

[@IIYamiSanII]

Zain kind of abandoned the playstyle that made me look forward to his sets. Mainly, the pivot tippers(%based up throw sets ups and the like), and the dope edge cancels.

[@MicroCheese64]

Yea he seems to not have as much flair this tournament. It's a real shame, his touch of deaths he used to do on spacies were beautiful.

[@z-past1454]

@@MicroCheese64 People got better at di. If you notice a lot of people do a better job of mixing slight di and di away. Also, optimization of di of marth’s up air make T0D hard. But yeah, this tourney particularly he didn’t do well. However, he still very much can t0d. He didn’t lose anything in terms of skill

[@z-past1454]

Huh, he still edge cancels a shit ton and pivot tippers still happen. I think you need to look at more sets

[@SaiyanX5]

Cody be making faces that Andy makes from the Office

[@bluesilkdesigns]

Cody giving vibes of that one Kobe interview lol "what's there to be happy about? Job's not finished"

[@TipsyFGC]

Context Adder: Cody thought he would lose the first fd set. but that meant marths best stage Poke stadium and fd would be off the table and cody would just have to win on stages he likes. BUT HE WON THE FIRST MATCH ON FD

[@WhoMightThis1Be]

Virgin sheik secondary vs chad fd counterpicking fox

[@BreakfastKids]

anyone notice how after this set no one approached the rest of the tourney? i think cody caused a resonating trickle down effect from his gameplay. congrats to W.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

Ibdw has his first win so now he is 11-1 against zain and maybe overtime will close that gap but I dont know zain is nasty.

[@classicrocksd]

The year is 20DW

[@plastickkerorolm4889]

Cody did something important that people tend to only do in the puff mu. Sometimes Cody would just laser and it worked so well.

[@hardyniu942]

20XX is back big time

[@trollof229antthevariable9]

The future of Smash, Ladies and Gentlemen.

[@prizm9515]

Ibdw could not make a bad move. Great mindset, super clean movement. Zain was playing super hot too. Great punishes.

[@fupalover]

Great to see Cody finally beat Zain and he's currently bodying Mango. Will Mango plot armor kick in?

[@zachsteiner]

Nope it did not the Buster dropped it :(

[@DJazium]

Sick match!

[@flashbang3568]

10:09 clutch shorten

[@lorenzoricci4551]

I am speechless...

[@mlalbaitero]

These moonwalks are really cool

[@tymeyer5084]

*counter-picks FD SFAT: "They called me a madman.."

[@anuraagkumar978]

One of the greatest sets of 2021 easily in my top 5 for significance

[@trashman1791]

sfat was right

[@trentcockman7838]

“GMC” from Vaudeville Villain vibes

[@MF_Jab]

Ggs Cody, youre sick

[@eftorq]

Mang0 walked so Cody could run lol

[@kestrel7493]

Zain lost because Toph didn't go upstairs and tell him "it's tournament"

[@dozmaster]

cody spazzing out game 5

[@eleets38339]

Has Cody slept in a few days?

[@WTH1music]

Leffen picking up fox for the marth matchup

[@ricardoludwig4787]

What the hell just happened Is the real 20xx Marth actually loses in FD? Next thing you know Zain is gonna start counter picking people to Dreamland...

[@gwen6622]

LMAO Cody won on FD when it was his counterpick, and Zain won on FD when it was his. maybe the real counterpick isnt the stage, it's actually just about who chooses it haha. maybe the game knows that somehow

[@Knuckles0918]

Laughing at how extremely high the commentators were , took them 15 seconds to realize Cody picked Fd ❤️

[@samskott2344]

This might have been the most lopsided game 5 set I have ever seen.

[@mlalbaitero]

I BE ENJOYING VORE!!!

[@Charmolution]

Zain is absolutely a Summit choker.

[@francis19SSJ2]

Didn’t he won a summit in the online era ?

[@scarab5Q]

*in-person Summit choker

[@BlanBlan19901990]

Nah Cody was just on another level here. Nearly got a 4 stock in the final game. Cody leveled up and now Zain has to go back to the lab again

[@user-zf7jx8qh2r]

@@BlanBlan19901990 Zain was playing pretty poorly especially towards the end, whether its due to cody's pressure is up for debate but its clear zain was not at his peak

[@evanpowers6611]

​@@user-zf7jx8qh2r yeah Zain always plays less good when the other player is on fire. It's pressure breaking him down. Really can't say it isn't zain playing at his best, because he probably would have been "playing at his best" if it were another opponent on the sticks

[@jimmjamme3067]

how does zain beat gods then lose to idbw?

[@juliovazquez4621]

Pinche cody eres la VERGA!

[@frankimaserati1395]

Add the fucking vids

[@youtubeonly520]

Zain played like absolute shit on that first FD game, what the fuck. He got so good people kinda forgot he is an absolute choker.

[@mecmeuf4528]

damnnn codyyy

[@happinesstolerant]

I wonder if this is what Armada would do if he played Zain...feels like it now.

[@its_hokori]

W

[@Mrgiftedsoul]

I hate the fox character so much besides mangos crazy comeback I rarely like to see him win it’s so old and played out to me

[@drewtweedie7408]

i understand people gotta get paid and pots gotta get filled but this layout is abysmal.

[@ballertheking1038]

Ibdw played insane. From an FD win to nearly 4 stocking Zain game 5.... Is Cody the best in the world?

[@Resener1]

Is he the best in the world overall? Probably not, considering Zain’s recent history of utter dominance. But in this set? On this day? Perhaps yes. Yes he is.

[@fupalover]

Remember Zain and Mango refused to compete in tournaments. Cody has been and his grind has paid off.

[@vgmilo]

nah but he's up there

[@ballertheking1038]

@@vgmilo he legit won the tourney beating all of the best players.

[@Clashmaster0477]

@@Resener1 he won riptide, second in world tour qualifiers, won this summit beating leffen, amsa, zain and mango consecutively, he was already considered to be top three before this event, so in my opinion this stretch of dominant wins has to put him in very close contention for best in the world And honestly zains “utter dominance” seems fairly disingenuous, he’s entered three tournaments in post pandemic melee, summit 11, wtq, and summit twelve, and he only won one of those, and his only two rivals have won each of the other two making it way closer than most make it out to be

[@alohaharris2]

lmao scar hates phil

[@Phailsku]

you might be on to something but i'm interested in hearing you elaborate. Is there a timestamp for this?

[@professorpick]

zains dash dance on the first fd game sucked

[@stamossbm]

This run is some anime shit

[@Lampaluile]

666th like and I just came here to like lol

[@BalboaBaggins]

Nice. Zain is lame.

[@tylerbrennen]

zain played like garbage, fluke win it wont happen again.

[@Chief3273]

No Johns

[@jakedonlon490]

Yea John get outta here

[@evanpowers6611]

Cody was playing better than Zain usually plays here, flat out

[@esfuercant443]

Zain is so washed

[@williamomalley6081]

* loses once * "fucking washed, dogshit player. should just retire tbh."

[@esfuercant443]

@@williamomalley6081 he loses to IDBW, not to mango ROFLLLL

[@Pray4urSINs]

Its seems like zain is not as dominant on fd to me. He seems more comfortable on platforms