BTT # 44 - Rites of Passage for Men

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[@Babylon6969]

Entrepreneurs in Cars Foleyet/Chapleau Ontario is a great fishing and hunting area.

[@adamsimmonds9326]

Living on your own for at least 3 years and looking after yourself properly. Cooking, cleaning and being organised is a must.

[@BaptistMisfit]

This 😤😤

[@dalamar2196]

A common right of passage these days for men is the divorce court experience

[@jrb_jr_13]

And coming out of it not defeated, and striving afterwards. I myself am divorced with 2 kids and I can say that was a huge character building ordeal.

[@simonhimself1]

Unfortunately

[@tjhammer24]

This is a sad fact

[@DJChrisArgueta]

A couple of years ago, during a Fathers' Day, my female cousin posted some crap about single mothers, blah, blah, blah. She went on and on about how she was mother and father to her kid. So, I had to check her, publicly. She didn't raise her kid by herself, she raised her kid in my uncle and aunt's house, her parents. I thought it was such a slap in the face to my uncle that she would run her entitled mouth on Facebook, basically completely disregarding that my UNCLE was that kid's surrogate dad (his biological grandfather). As a kid, I remember hearing my mom spew that same craziness. Once I was old enough, and I was red-pilled, I had to check her too, respectfully of course. I had to remind her that we too grew up in my grandfather's house. I told her that as a man (me) that grew up without a dad, and now having raised my sons to adulthood (22 and 24), that I could now confidently state that NO, you were not mother AND father, you were just a great mom.

[@wiseonwords]

@Massey Craft - the amusement afforded by the constant hypocrisies and obtuseness of the so-called fairer sex never ends!

[@npkrn6764]

From a woman here... good for you!!! And I agree with your perspective 100% :)

[@npkrn6764]

@Jay Awesome line!! Can I use that, please?

[@welcometothestarkside2439]

Good conversation. My rite of passage was working with my dad building our house starting at age 12..from timbering the forest, framing, sheetrock, roofing, interior carpentry, and so on. Using dangerous tools like a circular saw, nailgun or sawzall were great for me. By age 14 I was STRONG AF doing this type of work, with huge arms and calloused hands and a handshake grip that most grown men were shocked i had. After that experience every chick in school saw me as a man. after that i got into working on cars, wilderness adventures, etc. But the man card needs to be renewed continually. It sucks that the popular definition of a man now is lowered to fantasy football, playing golf, etc. Anyway I'm 39 now and work a desk job, have 2 young kids and a career wife and long for opportunities to re-up my man card. Next to-do's are learning to weld, and build a log cabin in the woods.

[@chrisbrady7936]

This was an amazing episode of BTT. It was thought provoking and raised some questions about rights of passage that I want to experience and are what make boys men.

[@santoparfano1910]

I think a huge rite of passage for sons is to acquire the skills to live from their Dad. I make my priority to teach my sons age appropriate skills. My older son age 18 just bought his first car. Taught him how to do basic maintenance, change the pads and rotors and new exhaust. My 12 year old will learn how to use various power tools this year. Including how to repair snd skimcoat drywall for a smooth finish, how to install baseboards and how to install tile flooring. I learned how to do these things growing up from a combo of shop class, the library and if I dont know something now I refer to the internet. My dad is blue pilled and didnt know how to fix anything. I taught myself. I'm doing different with my boys.

[@SnakeEyes111]

Lucky kids, im the same as you. Dad is super blue-pilled, I havent learned a single thing, even about life in general from him in the last 6 years. Im still coming to terms with it.

[@thehaytch]

Burying your Dad, that is a trial that you certainly feel like you are now a man..... Life has been very different after doing that. Even at 35 and 3 years latter I have definitely changed

[@prickowens9341]

Damn man havent lost a loved one yet but it must be hard my condolences to you and your family keep your head up and make your dad proud man respect!

[@HallPark]

19 and haven’t spoken to my dad in a year. Thinking of reconnecting

[@ruschristianity]

I buried my granddad with my own hands and a shovel

[@YouMotorcycle]

Made me happy to hear you guys giving some love to motorcycling. Thanks gents. 100% nailed it.

[@Kuk0san]

What a coincidence this week's ep is on rites of passage.. I could have something to share - I survived an attempted mugging last night and it was a hell of an experience. I'd never been in a serious fight before - not the ones where you only think "oh, this could go ugly, someone could get hurt", but the ones where your life could actually be threatened. 2vs1 was terrifying, and there was the threat of a knife being pulled on me (probably a bluff but didn't wanna chance it cause I'm not a fighter, also knife crime is known to be high here in London). They did try to take my wallet but I somehow managed to hold on to it while they were trying hard to knock me to the ground, took a hit on the face too which surprised me how well I took it. Great to finally see my height and build come into use. They ran way in the end when someone walked past though. This, for me, was a clear (albeit inadvertent) rite of passage - doesn't matter that a knife wasn't involved in the end, it could've been or they could've gone further into beating me and I wasn't prepared for it one bit. Definitely learned a lot about what I'm missing, how I could handle myself better, and also what my natural advantages are (didn't know I could take this much of a beating). Great lesson in mentality in the end. Now, time to go join a krav maga class..

[@santoparfano1910]

Bro I'm glad that you got out of scrap ok but you learned something from it. That when that happens again you wont be the one taking the beating. Good for you brother!

[@glevando]

That picture of Rich with hair was cool!! "BTH" (Before the Hair loss) I experienced many of the "rites of passages" described. Got my a** kicked like Sean, played the rough sports, got a flat tire in the middle of nowhere and had to fix it without help, and many others. A couple others that stuck with me included the first couple times I got hustled for money and when I trusted someone and they stole something I let them borrow. That showed me that everyone isn't honest. Getting my first "D" on a book assignment felt like the end of the world at the time BUT, it made me work harder and I respected the teacher that was honest and didn't candy coat my grade. My first lap dance felt like a right of passage too!

[@aaronstell1765]

Great content as always. I would like to point out the fact that this will probably resonate better with your below average or average guys, hence being the ones who need this stuff the most. Based on the fact that Conk seems more like us. Most guys doing this and there guests on these or others shows, come with the persona of having there s%#$ together. When the guys who need it most don't. Its always easier to take advice and practice it when it comes from someone who a guy can relate to. It would be interesting to hear Conks success or lack there of with women before and after he started being highly involved with guys like you and Rollo. Thanks for trying to make guys better.

[@_gongster2835]

I studied a tribal culture in a foreign culture, and the rite of passage for men was hunting or head hunting. For women, it was weaving. Very interesting and beautiful. Both required skill and dedication.

[@erickidd2861]

💔- 22 y/o, a rites of passage I went through was a meaningful break up. Dated her for 2 years, emotionally shattered, in my own form of isolation, returned to the world with a new outlook and have taken the red pill. I’m sure a divorce could also be a rite of passage (although an unpleasant one). --- love the videos, all the best.

[@efesezer8206]

well its better to have experoences than not. im 27 still no action. i gave up

[@robertrecruiter]

Great episode. I am expecting to go through many rites of passage through my life.

[@tacotruck13]

Speaking from my experience joing the Marines and bootcamp was the exact definition of a rite of passage

[@edgarhernandez4529]

Every man should have some type of training through physical and mental. This teaches the rite if passage

[@DJChrisArgueta]

I grew up without a dad. I kind of figured that I needed a "right of passage" to become a man, in high school. So, I joined the Marines after I graduated.

[@DylanJo123]

Do you have a plan after your term or are you going to retire?

[@Akus75038]

rite.....rite of passage. Not right.

[@Bazonkaz]

This is a fascinating topic and something masculinity certainly needs.

[@yev_da_man1868]

I got a good video game rite of passage. I invested about 300$ over a 10 year period into a game. What hapenned next was a clan leader and some other members who were his friends behind the scenes set up an intricate scam involving a lottery and some other pretty intricate schemes to rob me of the valued items. Learned how deep scams can go and how people might act like they dont know each other but are conspiring behind the scenes.

[@santoparfano1910]

My best rite of passage was building and owning my 78 monte Carlo. It eventually had a built roller cam, 327 with .30 over, nitrous and made around 500hp. It was black with black tinted windows. License plate was "fad 2 blk"..lol. I loved that car. It was a beast and my first major passage...

[@Koldfusion234]

Conk is the man

[@BasedBrothers]

*Manhood is earned* indeed. Incredibly important subject. I do not think the ”economy” offers a rites of passage in the traditional sense. Becoming rich or a ”professional” / entrepreneur / getting a degree is not enough IMO. Men need to learn how to survive in danger, in nature. I went to Africa and lived in the middle of the bush at age 24 as a Scout with a mission to protect animals against poachers. Best thing I have done, changed me for the better forever. Great episode and Conk is awesome!

[@zasvedogovore]

I know some guys who are into motorcycles paast 20-30 years, and they are frozen in their teen age thinking. So it's not always a healthy thing in some cases. I also know the hunters who are over passionate by hunting and their wifes spend most weekends alone. Also, joining US army is something totally different from defending your village. I have some friends who are police special anti terrorist force unit members and they all have "issues" with girls or wifes because they apply same tactics and manners from armed forces, like use of fear, threat, surveillance,...and are always feeling unsecured...so their wifes are desperate and always heavily questioned, interrogated,... My conclusion after watching this stream is the fact that: Only Alpha and smart enough Beta are going to "survive"...others would be killed, died by hunger or freeze in history. But modern world now offers them some sort of "help" which is unnatural selection. So we have to accept that we have to deal with those in some way. The problem is that they are involved in female world so females have screwed or inverted image and they are confused now when they meet proper man. Great job guys!

[@MediumRareOpinions]

Talking about shop class, my old teacher lost 2 fingers on the band saw, we all still learned to use it. We gained a level of respect for the machine that an instructional video never could deliver.

[@CarlosMorales-zu7sz]

Good talk guys. Really appreciate it. We need more men on KZbin educating.

[@Richard_AKL]

1. Rites of passage are important as they give someone proof to their self-confidence that they are able to take care of themselves in the world, provide for and protect their family. Look at African or Australian native rites of passage as an example. In Europe there was a trade apprenticeship, and even in Jeosh culture at 13 you left your mother's care and went to work with your father to learn a trade. The rite of passage for an apprentice was the masterpiece, which proved they could go out on their own and produce an income. 2. Games can have a good effect, especially if there are team elements to it, and I think the leveling thing gives guys a fake sense of a rite of passage, and even being able to beat other humans in a game of skill is good - it's not as good as physical stuff, but don't discount it in our soy-boy world.

[@ari357]

Liked your comment until the Game argument. Avoid reality and hide behind make believe points and scores doesnt lead to a valuable position in society. It's an escape from the harder things in life.

[@Richard_AKL]

I'm not saying you're wrong about it being hiding, and it's certainly not a rite of passage - what I'm saying is people are drawn to games to get the sense of achievement that they don't get in real life (even if that's fake internet points - it's nice to pretend they matter), but you're right that it's not necessarily healthy.

[@ahastar1141]

A great modern-day rite of passage would be starting your own business. I started my own LLC at 27 and while it's still at "side hustle " and I just turned my first profit, I learned more about business running it part-time than any business college class I took.

[@thuglifebear5256]

Conk, what literature did you read for research on Rites of Passage for Men?

[@kenneykatfishtenyardfight]

You guys are so logical man. Getting your first motorcycle is Like a young man buying his own horse 300 yrs ago. Lol very true.

[@taylorx2]

Kenney KatFish I wish I could get one but where I live I see motorcycle riders dying or getting severely injured daily because the roads are so packed with people who can barely focus on the rode driving while they very often text. If I lived in a more mountainous area I’d definitely get one.

[@kenneykatfishtenyardfight]

@@taylorx2 I live in Jacksonville Florida where we have I-95, I-295, & I-10. I know what you mean by seeing fatal bike crashes everyday. You just have to account for every vehicle. My bike is my best friend.

[@kenneykatfishtenyardfight]

@@taylorx2 I'm might of jinx myself because I crashed my bike on top of the bridge last night. I wish I can post pictures but I nearly died.

[@taylorx2]

@@kenneykatfishtenyardfight My point exactly. Also I am located in central FL so I know how bad FL drivers are. Glad your okay brother.

[@tjhammer24]

The unfortunate theme of half this episode was, "...imagine if we did that today." Goodness how far society has fallen😔

[@namelastname8872]

Interesting to note how the calorie surplus drastically dips for men after 60. Wonder why that is, I would have expected the calorie surplus for men and women to equal after 60, but women are still at a slight surplus.

[@kashifhaque2085]

Learning to be responsible for yourself is the modern rite of passage for men.

[@emilymae7305]

I’ll take a masculine man any day. 😊

[@jvo8068]

And don’t let anyone tell you that’s wrong. 💪👊👍

[@redlethe8679]

Shit, I've met this Conk guy a few times in a personality group. He usually hopped in to talk about socionics, red pill ideology, and religion.

[@Inquisitive-Minds126]

my first bank robbery at 16 was my rite of passage.

[@imtheitchyouneedtoscratch]

Idiot

[@liberalhippie9902]

LMAO

[@08sreyna]

I think jocko will ok also had a podcast similar to this topic. Good stuff.

[@rullangaar]

In my country conscription used to be a rite of passage. No longer. And you can tell.

[@1movista]

A woman cannot teach her son to be a man, but a man can teach his daughter how to be a woman/"lady".

[@flycory]

We need more strong men in the world. Great content. My Channel is flying, and different ... but the goal is similar. More alphas.

[@rodneywatson5904]

@Conk The rite of passage for men in western society is mastering his financial life. Adult to kid thinking, means being responsible for yourself. As an Adult, you account for your financial life as a protector and provider.

[@benjaminboshaw8858]

Getting the family firearm handed down to you

[@npkrn6764]

Hey Benjamin, my Grandfather passed his rifle onto me ... and I'm his granddaughter! (He had no sons or grandsons...just me!) He taught me how to hunt a bit and our times together over the years in his duck blind are some of the best memories of my life ❤ He was such a strong and kind man, and definitely taught me to love and respect manly men 😊

[@benjaminboshaw8858]

K N that’s great. My dad didn’t pass on anything from my grandfather but he did buy my brother and I our first .22 and 12ga. Tho how to properly care for them wasn’t really taught. Still working on breaking that habit while building a couple AR15s

[@levansegnaro4637]

hey dummies, the onion is a parody news site...

[@wolflarsen3447]

How do men in their 30's create their own rite of passage?

[@connorsmiley2294]

Chapeau! That's right on the border between Ontario and Quebec eh!?

[@ari357]

Video games will never be a rite of passage. Are you kidding me? Its like saying winning at colouring book competitions is a rite. Every gamer is a beta blue pill geek who avoid reality and avoid responsibility thats why games were invented. A rite leads to a respected, responsible and valued position. winning at World of Warcraft barely even makes a dent in your underpants.

[@Khalikhalzit]

As someone who games more often than I'd like, this is true. Games are about escaping reality. If someone really wanted to build the skills that could be used in a video game, they could shoot an actual gun or go camping.

[@ZakuZuko]

I disagree that EVERY gamer is a beta blue pill geek. That generalization is not true.

[@moonboy2022]

Nothing wrong with gaming unless it starts taking over your life. I like to play high end games on a PC I built from scratch myself. Helps me relax.

[@edgarhernandez4529]

There's nothing wrong with playing video games 🎮but if you allow your mind to be consumed by it, then that's a problem. I'm 32 I play games from time to time I don't play it like I used to growing up but unfortunately there are guys my age still on video games it just says alot about a person.

[@juulsvern9961]

Just bring back the ways of the Spartans.

[@vaughanlockett658]

Having a pet is a right of passage learning to be responsible.

[@ari357]

No thats not a rite. Its just a responsibility. By that definition cleaning my dishes would be a rite. Give me a break.

[@edgarhernandez4529]

Now adays you don't even alot of Macho movies. Wtf happen. I still gotta give alot of respect to Sylvester stallone for trying To keep the manly/action pack genre going. He still got it. For those that notice he has left so much dent in the world when he leaves earth

[@tym5583]

How do masculine men get it back? Like seriously peoples minds are poisoned now to the point I feel now they'll never change ot even consider even entertaining a different view. Good video guys love the topic! but honestly never been into motorcycles and never will be haha

[@8.0.70]

Great show!! Alot insightful information here! however I must say that the idea of violence being a cornerstone of masculinity is sort of toxic to a degree. There is absolutely nothing wrong with self defense training, however in this day & age the idea that violence is necessary & key component to manhood is dangerous, especially for young men. Myself having been involved in violent life threatening situations can say that violence can do more bad than good in many situations. It is a brute level of masculinity, that Mars energy. I know a guy that put another dude into a coma over a petty argument, where is the honor in that? I think there are higher aspects to masculinity than violence & killing, two examples are character building & leadership skills.

[@DamaniJones]

Can you fight?

[@8.0.70]

@@DamaniJones no ima bitch

[@MediumRareOpinions]

Thing is "this day and age" isnt relevant to our innate biology. We're mentally balanced for it, take it away and something goes wrong with our mentality. Do you think it's a coincidence that as life has become safer we've become more unhappy as a society?

[@8.0.70]

@@MediumRareOpinions if you are truly the violent type, knock yourself out! however there is no shame in not being violent. From my experience, ask any mentally sound person who has been involved in real violence & they will tell you that it isn't a pretty sight.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

@@8.0.70 I never said it was pretty, I said its part of our nature. *Nature is often very ugly*

[@matijakurelja9827]

did you guys take that first article seriously? the The ONION article. granted that it could all lead down the path outlined but it's notched up to eleven. P.s. maybe should be said that I am positively inclined to the content

[@iamalignedandfocused5452]

🙏👋💪👍👏👁