How Persona 3 Reload Ruined Episode Aigis

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japanese gameplay if you wanna cross-reference translations:
• ペルソナ3フェス
• ペルソナ シリーズ
music:
sun (reload arrange by mosq)
the world of the dead | ghost trick
between doors | persona 3 fes
pretty pretty abilities | kingdom hearts re:coded
pyrite town | pokemon colosseum
endless mine | sonic 3
auron's theme | final fantasy x
giant wing - fire stone | sonic the fighters
persona | persona 3
battle heavy metal | giten megami tensei (pc-98)
woe is me! by richard myhill
the moon and the prince | katamari damacy
want to be close | persona 3
Episode Aigis was originally an epilogue included in Persona 3 FES, dubbed The Answer in the West. The Answer was completely remade for Persona 3 Reload in the form of a DLC expansion. Episode Aigis has been controversial since its very inception and that has not at all changed with P3R's take on it. Though this time it might be for different reasons than originally in P3fes. Does P3 Reload's Episode Aigis live up to the original PS2 version? Why are you reading the description for the answer? Watch the video, silly.
How Persona 3 Reload Ruined Episode Aigis
#persona3 #persona3reload #episodeaigis

[@lemon66111]

the E shadow scene is a lot worse in reload ngl, ik its more like emotionally significant but there was smth about the og having him literally being skinned to bones hitting at the reality of death just as much, if not harder than the reload scene

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

I know that there are laws to this that held them back from doing the cutscene like this again. A lot of things in Episode Aigis though I feel like they fail to find a middleground to certain things like Yukari for example. Instead of tweak the dialogue they just outright remove a small but significant detail to a scene and for this they coulda kept this but also added the characters expressions amd inputs. Iunno man, it's not bad but like... it could be better.

[@cristianoducceschi3547]

I mean yeah but in the og that cutscenes is also heavily inconsistent with p3's style and also it's a bit too gory for my tastes at least, I definitely welcome this more emotional approach

[@TheRealMakotoYuki419]

⁠@@ShadowOfMassDestructionyou went back to the classic pfp lol but yeah I agree I do like the og fes shadow Makoto thing more it’s just so mysterious creepy and fascinating to me

[@TheRealMakotoYuki419]

@@cristianoducceschi3547that too

[@avendurree]

If there's anything that I hate in this remake as a whole, its the fact that they toned it WAY down. Persona 5 covered a lot of heavy topics and sold out the most (I guess they are thinking they could sell even more, if they make it more PG), even Metaphor game is not toned down like Persona 3 Reload is. I'm just disappointed tbh. I suspected they will tone down the edgy, but not to the "generic anime" extent. Also disappointed they made everyone instant friends, one thing I liked about the original was the fact that they were just roomates and werent necessarily stroking the player's ego. Also, its laughable who introduces gardening to you.

[@azfaarrealm9426]

By the time I'm writing this comment, nobody has fully watched the video.

[@laitha2550]

actual criticism or nostalgia bias, call it

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

Actual criticism with a bit of nostalgia bias, there's a balance to these things you got to consider.

[@Ziroikabi]

I didn’t have very high hopes for how the game itself was going to be handled tbh. Most of my criticism goes towards the gameplay. While I did enjoy the combat I had to purposefully restrict myself in order to keep it balanced even on heartless. Megaten in general has some of the most fun turn based combat I have experienced and yet its far too easy, if you use the mechanics the game gives you it becomes trivial which is not how it should work. The difficulty options are there for a reason but god dang if there is a difficulty called heartless I am picking that under the assumption I am going to be massively challenged and yet Atlus seem scared of making the player struggle. There were definitely issues with FES Answer but in general with the originals most of the complaints about difficulty stemmed from peoples inability to even attempt to engage with tactics. I think the game should have the guts to punish you for being a lazy player but still reward smart tactics rather than just pander to them and offer easy solutions like Theurgies. It just upsets me knowing the potential some of the games could have and yet I don’t think we’re ever going to see it.

[@tuviaso]

ur fast

[@Ziroikabi]

@@tuviaso and no spelling mistakes unlike SOMEONE :clueless:

[@Eudaimonia7564]

Yukari just falling to her knees instead of trying to steal the keys first is so funny

[@Ziroikabi]

@@Eudaimonia7564I was wondering how they were going to handle some of the bits people complained about in the original. I think I went in a bit too pessimistic tbh I didn’t feel like the story did much for me, granted I already played the original but I was just going through the motions

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

@@Eudaimonia7564 I was watching Faz's stream first release and that gave me a mini heart attack I was like wait wtf???

[@PixelPikmin]

This video is perfect🤣 it’s like half shit post half actually good points and I love it. You’re kinda right though, a lot of the stuff in P3R The Answer is way worse or outright toned down from the original. P3R is my favorite game ever, but this might be the worst version to play The Answer

[@tuvieeclips]

This video is very well put together, people calling it Nostalgia bait is way off IMO, while I personally like the changes to the gameplay and Metis, I agree with pretty much everything you brought up Nice vid, keep up the superb quality content!

[@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective]

Agreed, and this is coming from someone who generally adores the Answers story and somewhat enjoys this remake as well but a lot of the emotional impact from the original particularly with the conflict between SEES feels dialled down. Metis though, I played this with the JP dub was outstanding and if there's one thing I'll not complain about it's the quality of the VO in this.

[@gravyjones7043]

I think Episode Aigis is the embodiment of what is wrong with remakes nowadays. Overpriced, and barely any changes not only to warrant an increase in price, but also a reason to even remake it in the first place when the original was just fine. To get the full P3R experience you have to pay over $100 bucks for it. That is just not right. Super unfortunate.

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

@@gravyjones7043 My problem with Reload is that the things that are changed or replaced about P3 are switched for something incredibly dumbed down and boring in comparison and with FES not being more accessible this is what most people are stuck with. It's more accessible sure but it's as plain as a saltine cracker like dude, it's a video game. Let there be crazy wacky stuff that adds to the experience like P5 which people seem to compare it too even though I think it's way more interesting. The entire package of the game lost the ingredients however frustrating made it unique and special in comparison to the other Persona titles in the first place. The developers leaned WAAY too far into listening to people complain instead of inputting their own voice, like they were in a corner getting beaten with a bat or something. The originals vision had the exact opposite design mentality which was "Cool, whatever you say but these mechanics represents this games themes and we have no regrets." Both versions of P3 are good games don't get me wrong but it's that very reason why FES around from my most disliked and boring Persona game to a game I see now as one of my favorite games of all time.

[@corey2232]

It's over $100 to OWN the game, but to get the full experience you can just pay $15 & play it all on Game Pass.

[@gravyjones7043]

@@corey2232 not a bad point but that doesn’t change any of the criticisms towards the actual final product. Also I would also argue the majority of players are PC/PS4/PS5 and don’t have access to Game Pass.

[@anthonynguyen1289]

@@gravyjones7043there is a game pass available on PC. Playstation fans will stay losing on that front

[@Comet_69Guy]

never expected episode aigis dislike

[@fluke7506]

So many people seem to panic and get upset when persona gets fair critique

[@wolfywonder8480]

I feel like Atlus intentionally scrubbed as much potentially controversial or off-putting aspects of P3 as they could, and Episode Aigis is kind of emblematic of that. SEES doesn’t feel like real people to me anymore, they feel like caricatures who are doing instant damage control so that no one gets mad at them for having opinions. Why isn’t Yukari allowed to be emotional and angry without prefacing that it’s just her opinion? Why do the cutscenes feel so bland and by the books when they’re supposed to be some of the most emotional in the series? I just don’t get it. And so many people seem to absolutely love Reload and think it basically completely replaces FES. How? I can admit I’m biased of course. I was really into P5 when it first came out and that enthusiasm carried on until P5R came out. But as the years went by, and especially after the release of P5R, I stopped having any strong feelings towards P5 as a whole. It’s a good game, it plays and looks nice, and it has an interesting story. But it feels so hollow, because the more I dug into it, the more I realized that P5’s characters are weirdly… blank and stale, outside of their immediate importance to the plot. It felt like the Persona series was toning down some of its more daring, dramatic themes and making itself more palatable to the mainstream audience. That’s fair and all, and it clearly worked because they’ve milked it worse than P4, but they applied the same principle to P3 in Reload and it just… doesn’t work. At least for me. I think Episode Aigis helped me put my thoughts in order a little better because I couldn’t quite put my finger on why I wasn’t completely on board with Reload. But now I know; the people don’t act like people. And that’s the only thing supporting my suspension of disbelief in a story, so the story fundamentally falls flat for me. Sorry all you Reload fans, I guess I’m just too stuck in the past to get with the times. Never mind that I’ve never played any version of P3 myself and have only seen it through let’s plays, but eh, it’s close enough.

[@Emmetlovesredvelvet13]

I agree with nearly every point of your video, But I have to disagree with your take on the difficulty. just because you played on the hardest difficulty and didn't have a good time does not mean it did not accomplish its goals. It is statistically harder and purposefully doing its job as the hardest difficulty. You are just better than it's difficulty because you are experienced with how the games mechanics. If that's the case, pick up a harder game that'll hit your difficulty itch. Don't knock points off of something that's doing its job.

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

@@Emmetlovesredvelvet13 There are plenty of games out there that uphold there difficulty no matter how good you are and how long the game goes on for. Not sure what "good" of a job it's doing at upholding a harder challenge when it's literally throwing every possible thing at you to break the game. You can't even avoid the ambush upgrades like you could in the original, you open up a chest and now the shadows are cooked. Theurgies are obvious how you can break the game but the fact that you can just go upstairs to get your Sp back, combine this with Fuuka who has jamming and escape route, stack a major arcana (which is easy as frick to do) and watch yourself get showered in exp, there is no threat whatsoever. How in the world is it doing it's job?

[@digimonrockers6732]

Wait because someone "Knows the game more" it cant fail on how hard it is because Statistically it is harder. Just because you understand something doesn't mean that makes it easy or hard, its up to the game on if it can do its own difficulty right and sadly it was done poorly.

[@Gatekid3]

Aren't harder difficulties specifically for people who have more knowledge? you could have a difficulty that gives enemies 50 extra health and technically that's "harder", but it wouldn't really harder to the person who just played normal. There's also the secondary point that shouldn't remakes also be made for returning players? No one starting out is playing merciless, so why not try to tune it for people who mastered p3 fes? but even if I agreed for the base game that having too much knowledge can trivialize any difficulty, this is post game DLC, so shouldn't the people who played the base game on the hardest difficulty be challenged even though they are "experienced with the mechanics"? Difficulty is pretty subjective, so it think it's still a thing you can knock off points for.

[@da_001]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1220">20:20</a> AEYO IZ THAT KATAMARI DAMACY OST PLAYING??? Also i completely avoided Reload and Episode Aigis because i knew they would change sh1t from FES which i believe is the superior product. I watched both on YT to completion and it legit made me angry the changes. Metaphor on the other hand *SLAPS* GO PLAY THE DEMO!!!!!!

[@darkseidiss3npai251]

I’ve never played FES and first experienced The Answer through Reloads version, so I obviously was not aware of the differences and changes made. That being said, after being made aware of what was changed and toned down, I wish I was able to experience the OG version first, at least in terms of story and cutscenes. Just the OG Shadow Makoto scene alone is something I wish I could’ve seen while playing the game, shit looks metal as fuck So while I don’t dislike the remake of The Answer (mainly because it’s the only version I’ve played and I can’t compare it to FES since I’ve never played that version), I think it’s incredibly valid that people find it to be a watered down version of sorts. I’ll probably play the FES version sometime in the future to get the full experience

[@crankylink13]

Oh look abunch of new gens trashing on this vid

[@Xenosaga]

Makoto I'm watching your stream why you trying not to laugh bruh

[@haixaldonix4945]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="943">15:43</a> ok nitpicking, but the ben 10 fan in me won't leave me alone, so none of this is morphing, I have no idea what you're talking about

[@gravyjones7043]

I think they’re trying to say that the FES version kept it simple and straightforward while Reload overdramatizes it. What used to be interesting cinematography and scene direction is not overly simplified with no grit.

[@_ace_defective_]

Reload is really impressive because it's made me somehow miss parts of FES that i didn't even fw that much. I dunno, like I didn't even like the original Episode Aigis a lot - it wasn't bad but it was shallow and Reload just manages to make its weaknesses more apparent, somehow. It's good to know that the localization arguments were indeed a bunch of bullshit though. Who could've seen that coming...

[@PTRaisin]

I really resonated with that ending. The discussion around this game and the original, and all versions is filled with controversy. I also feel that people put labels out to try to devalue others. I have a very high opinion of Reload, it just sucks that the community can't act like all versions are valid ways to play, even with whichever you prefer.

[@Legendaryyy77]

now this is a interesting take I said something a little similar but I didn’t think you disliked this as much as I did It feels like Atlus is scared to cater to a modern audience By dumbing down serious moments and intensity I still think episode Aigis was great but idk man

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

@@Legendaryyy77 That is my entire problem with Reload as a package. They put WAAY too much focus on listening to people complain and ignore the fact that they have their own voice to input. Games are product of creation and blemishes just as a much as a painted artwork. It felt like they were in a corner getting beaten with a belt by the complainers and they stripped the game of it's interesting elements and switched them with mechanics as plain as saltine cracker which is an even worse crime in my opinion. Things should be allowed to be a product of their time blemishes and all, not everything needs to bleach clean to be noticed for its value.

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

@@Legendaryyy77 That is my entire problem with Reload as a package. They put WAAY too much focus on listening to people complain and ignore the fact that they have their own voice to input. Games are a product of creation and blemishes just as a much as a painted artwork. It felt like they were in a corner getting beat with a belt by the complainers and they stripped the game of it's interesting elements and switched them with mechanics as plain as saltine cracker which is an even worse crime in my opinion. Things should be allowed to be a product of their time blemishes and all, not everything needs to bleach clean to be noticed for its value.

[@Cevans1992]

Which is why they changed the beach scene, because they are afraid of the softies in the modern audience

[@andreamarini9940]

As someone that has only played the remake version of episode Aigis, the conflict between the members of SEES being much stronger in the original makes a lot of sense. I was really confused with the whole "fighting in unevitable" shit each character was yapping about because of how mild the disagreement between each of em feels in the remake. Like, Is like the game wants to tell you that each member of SEES Is so convinced of what they want that they aren't open for a normal debate, and therefore they need to fight, but then what It shows Is just a bunch of teenagers having different opinions and that's It. So being so seeing then all being so stubborn about waiting to fight was kinda jarring ngl

[@fruitofthedoom2489]

I appreciate your talk at the end of your video because I’m not gonna lie. I saw your thumbnail and I was like I’ve been enjoying it. This guy must have a really dumb opinion. But after taking the time to watch your video and listen, you know that’s cool. I personally really like reload, especially when I was younger. I didn’t really like not being able to control my AI teammates in the original. I used to tell my buddies that I preferred playing the portable version on PSP because I could at least control my teammates. Also, I hated the answer from FES. But that doesn’t mean that your and other fans opinions don’t matter. Keep up the good work love your videos.

[@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective]

I'll admit in the past BubbleTea I have sometimes been cynical of your content particularly in regards to the spin-off's which are generally used to reinforce or expand upon the core themes established within the main games. In respect to the Answer, I have to say I can absolutely see where you are coming from particularly as the main conflict is the defining element of this story and as such those minor details are more standout to me the changes within really did dilute the impact of the conflict for me especially trying to dial down Yukari's desperation towards the end. I'll admit I don't dislike everything within this story as I think Metis was wonderfully fleshed out here but one thing I wasn't so big on was the English Dub skimming over the aspect that she is the manifestation of Aigis's heart. The JP dialogue and the theme tune mentions several times that Aigis wanted to cast aside her heart whereas the dub simply says it's a "piece of herself" despite Metis and the Red Butterfly reflect the image of her heart several times over. Funnily enough, the Joker Super-Boss fight is one element I actually don't mind at all particularly because it was set-up in Persona 3 Dancing In Moonlight where upon Aigis made her wish to meet the other Persona users upon learning of their existence and in that context I think it's sweet and non intrusive. As for the gameplay, I didn't dislike it but it wasn't as brain taxing as the original.

[@SoulBro12]

I laughed my ass off when I heard Marsh's voice. Dude's the most estranged and isolated megaten youtuber to the community so hearing him over here caught me by surprise

[@BasementDweller_]

This might be an unpopular opinion but I think ???’s death scene was better in Reload. Like sure the FES version looks cooler but it felt like it was just for shock value. The characters didn’t act like they just saw their best pal decompose in front of them. Also ??? Is supposed to be a shadow so why would it have bones, flesh, and organs underneath? I think I prefer the more somber version Reload did personally. I can understand if people prefer the FES version more, but I like Reloads more.

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

@@BasementDweller_ My problem with it is that there's no middle ground. The originals was much more interesting and visually stunning while Reload had the character emotion. If they could've found that balance it would've been perfect but nope.

[@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective]

I actually do agree with that, it might not be as visceral but symbolically I think it works beautifully. That said if there's one thing I will give that fight shit for both here and the original it's the fact it doesn't have it's own theme tune and I will never understand why. I'm sorry but the Strega theme feels completely out of place with this fight to the point I changed the score to Maya's theme because it had some emotional weight behind it.

[@Len-rx78]

Marsh smt appreing is so funny

[@GlaceTheAce2222]

rents due 🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️🥶

[@dimensionalnemesis8636]

ahh, i dropped Reload because they butchered the Difficulty, personally think P3 was always the hardest Persona game, basically watched Nam's Review on the game and when i heard Scarlet Havoc doing more damage than Armageddon, yeah i think that's all i needed to hear and deleted the game after only having played a few Full Moons, mind you i usually think Nam's full of shit no offence but that convinced me. Also someone saying the original Answer was easy? those people never played OG, this shit was comparable to SMT with how brutal that shit was, i still replay the Answer on occasion because i know i'll get my fill in Difficulty again, and no the Journey doesn't compare, i mean like WAY more Difficult than the Journey even though the Journey was Difficult as well.

[@leosee-through6147]

Bubbletea I may not agree with all your points but i love your videos and the effort you put on them; not to mention how honest and transparent you are. I wait with great anticipation what you got cooking for Refantazio

[@lucymorrison]

watching ANY criticism of reload makes me extremely happy because there's no femc and i will be endlessly furious about that.

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

@@lucymorrison Honestly, after experiencing Reload I think y'all should hold off for Persona 3 remake two cause this was kiiinda mid.

[@lucymorrison]

@@ShadowOfMassDestructioni can pray! I've played Reload + The Answer myself, and even coming from my innate cynicism as someome who much prefers the female mc, I HATED so much of Reload, more than I expected; the art direction, the script, the voice acting, the balancing, pretty much EVERYTHING that was changed in The Answer, I could probably make a 10 hour hate video essay where I just scream and yap about my dislike of this game... If ATLUS actually did re-remake P3 ahain, part of me fears that it'd be EVEN WORSE. They've already proved they can't properly remake P3. Also lord, I fear for P4 fans and the discourse that game's inevitable remake will have.

[@strogger_]

Weird, its another video about Episode Aigis in which author says that it ruined the game/was bad. Personally I liked it (maybe because i havent played P3/FES version at all, I just started it recently after beating P3R with DLC. About a year ago I played remastered version of P3P and it was a good choice as a first P3 game (sure it wasnt great, poorly AI upscaled backgrounds are the first thing that comes to mind). Of course Episode Aigis isn't perfect as well (tbh nothing really is, weird difficulty level where I had to grind characters and personas lvl because I was stuck at some point, locking the game behind Expansion Pass with (at least for me) useless BGM music from previous games where I prefered to listen new OST. Overall it was a good expansion (I spoiled myself with OG The Answer Ending and Remake did that weird cutscene way better), and would be even better if Atlus wouldn't pull typical Atlus move and release DLC separately or (what would be even better for some people) give it for free for those who bought Digital Deluxe/Premium editions with Season Pass.

[@ChurroDoughnut]

Reading the reactions to this video just shows me that Persona fans are like allergic to nuance or something. Which is ironic, considering that's like literally the theme of the entire series. Everything has to be sooooo black-and-white to everyone. Like, guys, you can dislike changes to a remake without being nostalgia-blind. You can also dislike things about a product you like, and like things about a product you dislike. You can also like FES, Portable, AND Reload for different reasons. You can also like any combination of the three for any reason. Bubbletea is I guess known online as like Reload's No. 1 hater, but like, his criticisms are honestly fair, and he's not even the most-negative person I've seen talk about the game before. But because he makes it no secret that he likes P3FES, and he has some criticisms about Reload, he's a nostalgia-blind rage-baiter apparently.

[@dantegallardo1974]

huhh???

[@shaunkoh4536]

Great video, I agree with what you mention. It's ironic that just talking or discussing anything about persona can be controversial in these times... Since when did society become so sensitive I wonder There are some aspects which I disagree with the game. The core story is everyone is trying to escape but with all the sidequests and side mission.... It conflicted with the main story. The story says escape but the game wants me to stay

[@sethn1094]

The atmosphere was never going to be the same from the start when they added Wind Waker HD style bloom over everything along with all the changes that have already been talked about ad nauseum.

[@ThaPlaya1994]

Well I'm done watching it. Here's what I have to say: The difficulty. On one hand, I can understand how someone would not like that the game isn't difficult especially if you play it on the highest difficultly. On the other hand, I don't care how difficult a game is as long as it's fun. Not so easy that it's boring and not so hard that it's frustrating. I really like the battle system in Reload and that carries over into Episode Aigis. Auto Charge was broken but man was it so much fun to walk into an encounter and delete them immediately. XD The cutscenes. While I did notice the awkwardness especially with the opening scene, it didn't bother me that much. As for the shadow protagonist disappearing scene, I like Reload's take more. The FES scene was to me disturbing for the sake of being disturbing. Mostly. I get what they were trying to do but it felt so out of place compared to the rest of the game. In Reload I liked seeing everyone's reactions a lot more. And I don't really care if it's "too anime". A good scene is good scene. The argument. I...basically agree. I don't hate Reload's take but it's pretty obvious that they toned down everyone's attitudes for damage control. There are some things in Reload I did like though. Metis only telling Aigis that she could die and Aigis keeping it a secret is a change that I liked. It kinda foreshadows Aigis' apathy for her own life. Thinking more about it everyone risking Aigis' life in FES doesn't sit with me since that know about that in that version. As far as remakes go, I'm of the firm belief that it needs to be balanced. Maintain what the original game was but add and/or fix the problems the game has. I personally disagree with remakes "doing it's own thing". Main culprit being the FF7 remake games. The ending of the first game alone drastically changes the original game. It comes off as borderline false advertising. I can tell you right now if they did something like that for Reload, I would've been severely pissed. I'll be candid; I prefer Reload over FES overall. Aspects of FES haven't aged that well. The punishing social sim which you wouldn't know about until it's too late, getting stun locked by enemies hitting your weakness and using your turn to get up, having no compendium in original episode Aigis in FES, and so on. Reload's changes to the gameplay and everything they added along with the story made it my favorite video game ever. Episode Aigis still assures that even if I'm more lukewarm on it. It's not perfect and I don't see myself going back to it anytime soon but I did enjoy my time with it.

[@Legendaryyy77]

my 2nd comment but LETS GOOOO MARSHHHHHH

[@kaivitee15]

Minor thing but it would have been nice to see comparisons between the Japanese text in both versions of the game

[@ArshadZahid_nohandleideas]

I'm just f*cking exhausted

[@TheRealMakotoYuki419]

Title already giving me a negative taste in my mouth but let me finish this before I start criticizing

[@WackNoir]

Get your mouth checked, they dropped the ball for the answer

[@laitha2550]

yeah I'm not big on episode aigis but bubbletea keeps making ragebait titles for these persona 3 reload videos

[@CookieTwoStep]

@@WackNoirIn what way?

[@TheRealMakotoYuki419]

@@laitha2550fr

[@TheRealMakotoYuki419]

⁠@@WackNoirmajor disagree I loved episode aigis reload tbh and even if I did play the og episode aigis I’d still feel the same I feel like it’s all a matter of bias nostalgia and when you got into persona and smt if bubbletea was born or introduced to persona with persona 5 or persona 3 reload he’d say it’s great or something like that prob or maybe not either way I feel like P3R is overhated despite all the work and effort that was put into it like genuinely bubbletea and some other people talk like they wish persona 3 never got a remake and we just had P3P and P3Fes when P3R is the main reason people are getting into persona 3 and persona in general now it’s genuinely kinda sad

[@imjacksondxd9074]

P3 fes was made with renderware right?

[@anxhelovucinaj1576]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="965">16:05</a> Herlock Sholmes's dog?

[@gusallknowing]

I mean I didn’t like either tbh

[@AAAAAAAAA1]

LOL ill pirate persona 3 reload and dlc when it gets cracked or whatever im not paying for this shit

[@hgmd3284]

i just realised something, Reload was made in the context of the original complaints P3 got. but now those complaints are praises and reload missed the mark by highlighting what happens when you change it. why have therugys? they break the game according to bubbletea. and i was hearing people say EP-AIG reload was harder than P3 reload up to this point. what is happening to this reality?! luckly i didnt get the DLC, and i probably wont be getting it ever after hearing the reception from everyone. im not having a repeat of Reload.

[@devinthomas4068]

This 100%. Reload addressed EVERY complaint the OG and FES got, the Answer included. But it’ll never be good enough.

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

@@devinthomas4068 That is my very problem with Reload in a nutshell though. It's more accessible sure but it's as plain as a saltine cracker like dude, it's a video game. Let there be crazy wacky stuff that adds to the experience. The entire package of the game lost the ingredients however frustrating made it unique and special in comparison to the other Persona titles in the first place. The developers leaned WAAY too far into listening to people complain instead of inputting their own voice, like they were in a corner getting beaten with a bat or something. The originals vision had the exact opposite design mentality which was "Cool, whatever you say but these mechanics represents this games themes and we have no regrets." Both versions of P3 are good games don't get me wrong but it's that very reason why FES around from my most disliked and boring Persona game to a game I see now as one of my favorite games of all time.

[@YungTimeWeaver]

Counterpoint: You’re Wrong

[@TheRealMakotoYuki419]

Real

[@PixelPikmin]

Based

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

Nice argument Senator but why don't you back it up with a source?

[@TheRealMakotoYuki419]

@@ShadowOfMassDestruction damn he might be cooked

[@coolcat__1286]

Finished the video. Honestly, it has some very valid points. I can see where you're coming from. I personally prefer Reload but I can respect many points here. Just one thing about the video's ending. Maybe I'm just on the wrong corners of the internet, or maybe I don't care as much, but I really do think that most people don't REALLY give af about these disputes over "the best version of this videogame". You prefer FES? Awesome. Prefer Reload? Incredible. All opinions are valid and if people actually do care about defending their beloved video game like that, they should maybe get a bit of a reality check, or at least use that energy on more important stuff. All of these games are incredible works of art and that's how I choose to view them.

[@Cevans1992]

I never played the original so take this with a grain of salt but like it or not Reload is the definitive way to play P3 going forward. Portable is the only other version available on modern consoles and most people aren’t gonna be whipping out the PS2 to play FES.