Budget Automatic $50 watch Round 2. Cadisen, NH36A Dead on arrival!

[@WatchRepairChannel]

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all my Patrons and Subscribers. I hope 2020 will be a fantastic year for you! This budget automatic watch made by Cadisen and featuring a Hattori NH36A movement was dead on arrival - join me as I investigate why!

[@SkysaxonDragonslayer]

Watch Repair Channel - how could I get in contact with you to send you the broken NH35/36?

[@liviostrazzaboschi4425]

🥂

[@franciscos.3671]

Poor Brocken Christmas gift

[@paulhelmuth6012]

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you - Mark! Will watch the video later. Always enjoy you videos. Eagerly awaiting the release of your Level 4 course!

[@JDRichard]

Watch Repair Channel You should not be doing watch videos on Christmas Day!

[@Rems61]

Hi Mark, About 20 years ago I got interested in watch repair. I used to buy and sell at a local Flea Market, just as a hobby. One day I went to a local watch show, and Bought a couple of 10 pound bags of junk watches. I had since lost interest in watches till I started watching your channel. I started digging through those old watch bags. I came upon a Louvic watch. It has a Swiss movement looks to be good quality, Missing case back. But the bags are full of backs so it might be in there. Just found it interesting to have gotten back into watch repair because of your channel, and finding a watch with your name on it. What a coincidence. Thought you might like to hear about it. Love your vids, and hope you had a Great Christmas, and have a Happy New Year.

[@argilaga]

Great overhaul! I got the same watch one year ago, it showed good readings in the timegrapher but it was gaining 5 minutes per day when on wrist. My guess from visual inspection is that the diashock spring was not sitting well on the cap jewel so this last was slightly inclined. I told the seller and he sent me another unit without cost for me, the second unit was working perfectly, around +0 s/day for one year now.

[@SkysaxonDragonslayer]

I‘ve got a few dead NH35/36 - so maybe you want them for free to part them out and built one or two good working...

[@mrsrandommademedoit3387]

I bought the same watch more than a year ago. i only paid $35 dollars.. and im so impressed with the quality. sapphire glass and the movement has been going strong ever since i got it. A good frind of mine bought a very expensive Oris that was DoA AND had pieces of metal / flakes all over the dial... yiikes so i guess it can happen at many price points..

[@mrsrandommademedoit3387]

@Jorn Navarre Oris fixed everything for him, and apologized. Apparently many other watches of that ref had the same problem.

[@saarlooswolfhonden]

I bought this cadisen on Aliexpress in october after I saw good reviews on KZbin. It is indeed a good watch and I am very happy with it. The watch is very accurate. Nice to be able to see the inside here on the Watch Repair Channel. Thank you so much.

[@misteragb7558]

First I bought a black one, I was so happy with it I bought another one in silver, they both come in at 0 - +4 seconds a day and work perfectly.

[@salimehjafari2438]

Do they still work???

[@johnbaldwin9126]

Same for me...superb looking accurate watch

[@serhiirudenko6183]

Awesome video, thanks! It's just a pleasure to watch all that tiny parts moving around, and in the end having a fully working watch.

[@TheTarrMan]

It's always upsetting when something ordered arrives broken. Glad you were able to get your watch going.

[@philrant2408]

Thank you so much for all your wonderful videos, I think I wrote you before that I have two Cadisen's and have found them to be good value. I do minor repairs but have never had the courage to take a movement apart so I thank you for at least showing me how and without some of the 'drivvle and garbage ' of other reviewers. Have a Great New Year.

[@Shervy2k]

I really enjoy your channel, not only is it educational on the craft of watchmaking but it is also very calming and your voice is soothing. Thanks for the content!

[@dazekiel]

I bought this exact model over a year ago to see if I liked autos. I still wear it regularly and it has been completely reliable. Unfortunate that you got a damaged piece, I would have loved to see a your thoughts on a working watch. But sadly that is bit of roulette you play when ordering one of these Chinese models.

[@vincenzodigrande2070]

I've seen several more DOA and almost new quitting NH35/36 over the past two years. I am a watchmaker myself and noticed some lubrication issues with them. All in all I have managed to get 320 degrees amplitude on an NH35 by properly lubricating it, which indicates to me that this isn't done up to the full potential of the movement straight from the factory. Now I understand it's not worth it regarding the cost of these movements, but the fact that some had very thick grease on high speed low torque bearings surprised me and in some cases literally caused total non runners. The Starking is not a DG movement by the way, even though it resembles it, there is literally not a single part interchangeable with the DG. Not even the hands. There is a drawing of it, where it is printed as SK1813. These movements can be reliable, but are definitely not high quality and SK now uses the Miyota 8215 in all these models. The 1813 had at least 50% defect rate, which is indeed more than just bad.

[@clou3778]

I was just wondering if the new movement that starking is using better or worse than the one that they use. Also, do all of their models use the same movement, and are there any watches that are better overall for $100 or less? I'm very new to watches(as in 30 min ago) so please don't bully me too much for these questions that are probably very easy to answer :)

[@coisd.b.486]

If I understand correctly, the movement is a Chinese NH36, and not a Seiko. No so-called connoisseur has already reported this. you have my full appreciation! you are the only one who knows what he is talking about! Wonderful keep up the good work 👍 merry Christmas

[@cawschwarzraben359]

This video lowered my BP some 20 points.

[@user-bd1tw8rt4h]

In the small city where I live, there are many people's watches is this movement, I often repair this watch, thank you for your video

[@jsking306]

Your videos are educational, relaxing, and fun to watch (pun). Thank you, and Happy New Year.

[@russellharris5072]

I have both Starking and Cadisen watches which both run ok,although the $19.00 Starking loses a whole hour sometimes whilst on my desk in dial up position but doesn't do this on my wrist.The Cadisen is a good timekeeper and is a copy of a Nomos watch and was around the $50.00 price.Thanks for sharing your Christmas day with us.............

[@RubenWeasley]

How's that Cadisen? I am deciding whether to buy it or not. I am also quite curious about how it compares to the Guanqin's version of the same watch

[@Balint.T.Siklosi]

Hey! Excellent video as always! If I'm not mistaken, the NH36 is actually called 4r36 in Seiko watches, which is the successor (or upgrade) of the 7s26/7s36. Hacking and handwinding. Sorry your watch was dead... :(

[@1985valdi]

I own the Cadison watch with Miota high bit movement and the watch keeps excellent time. Averaging - 4 seconds a week.

[@F3z07]

I love the "seasonal" choice of music in this video!

[@tomasciudad546]

Hace poco compre el Cadisen y funciona estupendamente tiene una pequeña variación de -4 segundos día y recupera 1 segundo por la noche. Creo que -3 segundos al día es aceptable. Muy contento con el reloj por el momento. En algún momento me gustaría, crear un Mod con dicho movimiento en una caja skx. Videos muy instructivos.

[@ajovev]

I have the same Cadisen, great watch, works great. I received it with a super annoying dust particle by the dial. I opened the case back (later I removed the dust by removing the front glass - i didn't know, that it was removable). It was real nightmare to put the case back into place. I didn't have a press back then, I managed to close it, on the kitchen table, using my whole 90kg body weight. I put the watch onto the table and on the case back I put another case back from a bigger Forsining watch, which was just pressing on the metal and not the glass itself. Then using a kitchen bread board I pressed it with my whole weight and it snapped! Imagination is everything ;) With the press would also be very difficult, i suppose you also had a tough time there :)

[@cksink6965]

I used C clamp like the one used for pressing brake cyclinder. I put flat knife on both sides and pressed in the clamp.

[@theterminator9777]

It's truly amazing you can actually assemble it back..

[@Texmotodad]

Merry Christmas and hope you and your wife have a great 2020 also! I joined your watch repair class a few months ago. My wife just gave me a new desk with special high legs for height, plus some tools from Esslinger so I can start my "hands-on" learning (vs videos only) about repairing/maintaining watches. For me; not others ;) I'm a lucky man!

[@Zardwark]

Lol! Auld Lang Syne! Inspired :-) It truly amazes me the patience you have with these junckers. I do wonder what do watchmakers do for relaxation over the holidays?

[@jandoerlidoe3412]

Most likely the mishap did happen during assembly in the watch factory: The original movement, when you did test it on the timing machine was out of beat as well: notice the double lines written by the recorder....

[@LucilleMilo]

i have both this cadisen and the starking you referenced earlier in the video. the cadisen is working just fine, no complaints at all. the starking, not so much. the winding on it feels like there is sand in there somewhere, and it doesn't keep time very well.

[@jacc88888]

Thanks for sharing. I have the exact same watch. Gains 40 odd seconds a day on wrist. Off the wrist it loses about -10 to -20s a day in all positions! I put it on a timegrapher and it’s still +40s but then after a few minutes it slows to about -20s/d! Weird! Poor QC with these but I love the clean design of the case and dial so wear it anyway! Guess I’ll have to buy a new movement too. Ps NH36=the newer Seiko 4r36 i think!

[@teddyhenriquez5192]

I have 6 invicta watches all with NH35A Movement so far they all keeping accurate time that's why I keep buying them. I guess that was just a manufacturer's defect it could happen to anyone. Excellent video. Thank you and Merry Christmas!!!

[@dennisc.1189]

I would be very mad if I got a new watch and it did not work, I'm glad that you were able to get the watch working again and thanks for sharing this video with us.

[@pablorages1241]

i bought one of these and it was working fine when it arrived. Tks for the vid !

[@juliobrador8425]

Have a nice Christmas day Mr. Lovick and an adventurous 2020 to all watch lovers!!!

[@troidesproject9631]

I have bought NH36A to replace dead seiko 7s26. Unfortunately the movement have defect. The balance wheel stop when I turn the movement to side position. I was thought the balance staff have broken. But when I open the screw, I found the hairspring is not correctly installed. Thanks for your tutorial about how to "Setting a watch in beat" I have managed to repair the movement.

[@philrant2408]

Further to my last comment, the model I wear most is the Cadisen model C-1020G, it is pretty accurate a minute a day or so but the 'storage is phenomenal, over 40 hrs. Thanks again. ( Subscribed long time)

[@jayh549]

Thanks for the great video as always and I hope your Christmas was excellent. I bought Cadisen with the NH36A about a year ago and so far I have not had any issue with it.

[@simodubajic5911]

I have purchased same watch a year ago, it's working fine, it's late average 5 sec/ day, it was a bargain so I am thrilled with it. Bracelet is not so great but not bad at all, overall I'm happy with it.

[@Andrew-J316]

I have one of these watches. Mainly got it to use movement on another watch as it was cheaper than buying the movement alone! Seems okay. Thanks for video on how to take it apart!

[@user-rq7ki2yr7i]

I bought the same watch as the internal machine, but I got a problem with the hands and the bezels, and I repaired it and it was very cool and its timing is also nice

[@russellharris5072]

My only experience of Cadisen is with an homage of the Nomos Lambda and very good it is too.I haven't given it that much wrist time but for the couple of weeks i used it ,it performed well.

[@Gilles-yn6np]

Happy New Year !!! Thanks for your videos that I enjoy a lot 👌🏻

[@JohnBuckmaster-sw3wm]

I have the watch and have owned it for six months or so. Everything has been fine and the watch was Without any obvious QC issues or flaws. I purchased it for an occasional Wear dress watch...And I’ve been quite happy with it. I do not have a time Grapher however I do use my atomic clock app and it appears that this watch averages +7/8 Seconds per day when checked every 4 to 5 day period.

[@JasonAlexander1969]

I purchased one of these and was very happy with mine. Keeps great time, and of very good quality given you get both steel and leather straps, nice looking dial and sapphire crystal too! I can't complain here.

[@nunomendes2484]

The one i bought had no problems and still works fine. Merry Christmas.

[@dude28405]

I bought one last year when they have the 1111 sale what’s the discount codes I paid $36 for the watch I am over the moon for the quality of the watch for $36 I would’ve been a lot more disappointed if it would’ve came in broken But how can I complain at the price I paid for a working model

[@Bedrock1966]

Much as I do love your videos, I often nod off during them! Happy Christmas & New Year

[@despoinaasiatidou8647]

that's the idea.. super relaxing to watch each video, plus you learn something ..

Great video! I have the black dial version and it works perfectly. Actually I was surprised how smooth the movement's winding is.

[@johnpena5897]

Remarkable channel will be signing up for the course

[@jaypaladin-havesmartswilll5508]

Thanks for giving me some comfort in the NH35/36 movement in Chinese made watches. As a consumer I have to pick the Chinese watch companies wisely. Thank goodness for the lot of KZbinr watch reviewers of Chinese/AliExpress watches.

[@gauranggppatkar2968]

I have same one and I didn't have any problems like you mentioned. It was very accurate till now. Maybe the accuracy was effected recently when my father placed my watch near my Nd magnet.

[@mrdisco99]

FINALLY we get to see a more modern Seiko 4R/NH movement! I've seen pictures online but I'd never seen how that hack lever works on video until now. That's weird that the 7S26 center wheel didn't fit. Maybe that's an older version of the 7S movement? Many of the parts of the more current 7S/4R/6R/NH/NE movements are meant to be interchangeable.

[@Broadshore]

I picked up a Parnis 40mm Automatic. Really surprised of ...... how bad the watch is... But I can't bit to much!!! I got it for 30.00 off ebay.

[@MyRetroWatches]

Nice Boxing Day morning video to watch whilst sipping my first coffee. I think the state of that movement on arrival is horrendous as I’m sure it left the factory like that. I understand why there is a market for value automatics just wish the uneducated could be educated in the ways of vintage. Buy something with a bit of history and loads more quality. Merry Christmas Mark.

[@StephenThorley]

@myretrowatches what's you top choices for budget vintage?

[@jeffshuffle]

I plan on buying a vintage watch in the future. I just bought a cheap Chinese watch to get my foot in the door. it is my first mechanical watch but I guaranty it will not be my last... merry Xmas and happy new year.

[@biohayzer]

Stephen Thorley I would look at Omega or Breitling

[@nunomendes2484]

Lesson: 1% of budget mechanical watches comes with defect; 99% of vintage watches need service

[@jacc88888]

In would be interested in vintage if it wasn’t for the small sizes. I know it’s partly vanity but I just can’t bring myself to buy watches that look small by modern standards. Also I love the ‘wrist presence’ and legibility of 39 or 40mm watches like this.

[@mrphotomanseattle]

My Starking day/date uses a Seiko MH36a movement. Not the one built in Japan but one built-in, I believe, the Philippines.

[@moreplatesmoreface]

Same happened with a bliger explorer with the miyota 8215. DOA no motion of any hands rip

[@zigmanzapolovich9048]

Hello Mark. I unfortunately did not buy the Cadisen but instead purchased the first watch shown in this video-the Starking Automatic. And yes, it stopped working after 3 hours. Only $40+ but anticipated a better outcome. Got the usual runaround from Ali Express and Starking and ended up keeping this albatross. My question is, which movement(s) can I purchase to replace it with that any half-competent watchmaker can replace and what should I expect to approximately pay the watchmaker for his labor? Another excellent video and always exciting to see a "master" at work!

[@TheTimeweaver]

I guess I am one of the fortunate ones. I received this watch in early December of 2019. So far, it is about +0.5 seconds on the winder and +3 seconds on the wrist. With its sapphire watch crystal and solid end-link bracelet, it definitely is worth what paid for it, which is about $48 US.

[@martingrams6784]

Thank you for all the great videos. I'm already looking forward to new ones in 2020. Merry Christmas and a happy new year. 🎊🍀

[@dodgydruid]

I'm wearing a huge Paulaeris "Classico U1001" homage at the moment, suspect it has a Mingzhu in there but has surprising features like a titanium top ring, what appears to be sapphire, AR, the fly in the ointment is the expectation the very neon orange hands and numerals would be lume but aren't is a tad annoying but I bought it for the canteen crown more than anything else and £18 for a 50mm plus crown automatic watch with two functioning subdials is pretty darned good and I haven't had to correct time yet so its holding well. I have big hands and large wrists so I prefer oversize pieces anyway.

[@bifflee3603]

I bought 2 of these cadisens both are excellent and keep excellent time. Had them 6 months 👍🏻

[@hugeshows]

Probably wouldn't change the beat error too much, but lift angle is 53 degrees on that movement.

[@TheGeezzer]

DOA! Well, that's me put off recommending Cadisen as a bargain watch for the rest of eternity. Inexcusable that a new watch cannot even perform its basic task...to tell the time! Good video as always, good camera work, and narration.

[@shoelessb4515]

Happy holidays to you too. I'm hoping for another year of great videos. Thanks.

[@tgm.d]

I love these kind of video’s. Just watching how you take watches apart

[@dodgydruid]

And a happy holidays to you too, between your channel and a couple others I have gone from barely able to do a battery or strap to doing some quite in depth stuff advancing from rank amateur to a newish journeyman. Thank you.

[@JustMakinProgress]

Your subscriber numbers are going to skyrocket.

[@misteragb7558]

You can buy a complete NH36A for 27 dollars on Aliexpress, also a great option to upgrade any watch using a 7s26 with.

[@kevgermany]

Thanks. Hope you had a great Xmas. Happy new year for next week.

[@heredotrecayi]

Wow such a fortune that you received a broken one and the result well done as always . Congratulations

[@BarnOwl61]

Happy holidays Sir. I do have a similar watch, only from the Guanqin brand, with the same movement. I only payed 25, Euros and it runs like a dream, it was pre- owned, but as good as new. This must have been a case of rough handling somewhere along the line. I am very satisfied with mine. Enjoyed the video, I was curious about this movement!

[@jrgdrumsandwatches]

Isnt the NH35/36 same as Seiko 4R35/36? They would be hand winding and hacking, not like the 7s26

[@jacc88888]

jey2010 Yes I think it is.

[@thehistoryprof6750]

Good catch 😊

[@TheMagicalSock]

The NH abbreviation is just for the ones seiko sells to other manufacturers. When the movement is in a Seiko, it is the 4r.

[@cksink6965]

I don't think 4r and Nh ar ethe same quality. My Seiko with 7s26 runs better than the chinese NH35A. May be these chinese watches have a clones

[@Legomanfred]

Fun video. Sad that these watches are of such low quality as to leave damaged. Nice to see all the aspects you included, interesting and engaging. I hope that your 2020 is fruitful and lucrative. Love your videos, still working through the courses. All the best!!! 👍😊♥️

[@jpf119]

I do own that very exact watch and I like it. The only downsides for me are the pressed caseback and the polished bracelet (brushed would have been much better)

[@miker5502]

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year..Great video! I Purchased this watch and tried to modify it with luminous hands..it all went OK “until” I tried replacing the case back. The press I have was not up to the task and when I applied just a little too much force it cracked the display glass and crystal.TOO TIGHT! Anyway I now have a spare movement and will find a use for the bracelet. Lessons were learned. Lol.😂 Cheers from 🇨🇦.

[@liveroy]

I've one of these for over an year now.I must say it runs great. It's also very nice looking watch. Overall for the price it's hard to find anything like it. You've just got unlucky with yours. Also have one of these Starking ones for 2 years now, also runs great and it's bracelet is definitely a better quality than the one on the Cadisen C1032.

[@Norsemann]

I got the newer Starking with Miyota movement and the same Cadison as this. Very pleased with both. Works fine. Will stay away from the Chinese movement all day long

[@Rolls_Royster]

I don't know why they made the dial to be sandwitched between the case and the glass bezel. I wish I can just easily pick the dial up by lifting the movement. It is too difficult to remove the glass bezel from the case. T.T

[@jameslester6785]

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. I really appreciate your content and all that you provide.

[@PlugInRides]

The Starking does not contain a "DG2813" as stated in this video, which is a caliber produced by Dixmont-Guangzhou (Five Goat Watch Factory). Several Chinese companies use a similar design, including Beijing Watch Factory's SB11, SB12, and B16ZR. Starking Watch Group actually has their own movement manufacturing company, Shenzhen Jingrui Movement Company Limited. The caliber is the SK1813, and it has been modified to run at 28,800 bph, and feature 25 jewels, as opposed to Dixmont's 21,600 bph, and just 22 jewels. For around an extra $10, Starking now sells the AM0171, which is almost identical to the AM0184, except the date window is moved from 3H to 4.5H, and it contains a Miyota 8215 movement, instead of the in-house SK1813.

[@tempus_fugit7366]

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Mark, thank you for a great and informative year. I look forward to next year.

[@roshrashid7058]

The SII NH36A caliber is the non branded Seiko 4R36 caliber.

[@howler9756]

Happy New Year! Look forward to the videos to come in the new year.

[@bjcundiff8623]

Is there a video you have done that goes over the seiko 5 with the 4r36?

[@philrant2408]

I have three Cadisen's and found them all fine.

[@bluegrassengineer]

One can get a Seiko 5 automatic with day and date for less than $85 US. Why would anyone take a chance on one of these?

[@sunset-eq7rf]

@lilmayo I purchased a Seiko 5 for $80. Right out of the box it averaged 5 sec/day. It is the Seiko SNXS73. Aesthetically it is a really nice looking watch.

[@robertbrandywine]

I bought two of those with 7S26 movements. They kept accurate time for four months and then became woefully bad, even when kept on a watch winder. I replaced with a $225 Orient and am very happy with it after one year -- and it also has a sapphire crystal.

[@bigfunanAmericaninGermany]

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too! as to the watch... I am a bit scared to order one of these, for two reasons. The first the lack of quality control, and secondly the range of happy customers vs unhappy customers, is a very wide swing... so I may get a good watch and I might not, and if I don't I have to wait another 3 months to get a new one, or get mine repaired and returned... I would rather just buy a nice Citizen NH8350, or something like it.

[@DM-rc4yu]

That's unfortunate, I haven't had any problems with mine. If you bought it from Aliexpress you will probably get a full refund.

[@stevepa999]

You will get a full refund, but you have to ship the watch back, with certified mail, and with your own expenses.

[@argilaga]

@@stevepa999 I got a second watch because the first one was faulty, I had to send it with certified mail and the seller paid the certified mail. It was the official Cadisen store in Aliexpress

[@Swenser]

Great video thanks, but I'm still pissed that people treat time with contempt. Always late and behind schedule. No point in having accurate time piece in my world.

[@pedramazari1836]

Nice video. I have a cadisen , different model though. So far it has been really good. Mine has Miyota 9015 movement but it comes at a cost.

[@edward569]

Your content is my happy place. Thank you for it.

[@dirk4926]

Great video, as usual. Interesting, educational and relaxing. Happy New Year!

[@herbertvonsauerkrautunterh2513]

I have several Chinese watches with Seiko movements and they are all pretty good.. on par with standard seikos or even better.. I like Pagani design

[@nhand42]

I bought one of these Cadisen during the Singles Day sale. I was luckier than you because mine works fine - arrived in good working order - and it feels pretty good for the price. Bracelet is nicer than the disposable Seiko 5 bracelets or the natty nylon straps. Case and dial is uninspiring but serviceable. Can't really complain for $50 to be honest. But spending a few bucks more and getting a Seiko 5 or a Citizen Eco-Drive is better value IMO. Truth be told I hardly wear the Cadisen so whether it's working or not, it wasn't a sensible purchase.

[@PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars]

Watching this lovely video in late 2020. Your final comment struck me as extraordinarily poignant. It seems SO long ago we all felt so optimistic. Now. Let's get this annus horribilis over and pray 2021 is back to normality!

[@kswaminathan5439]

Happy New Year Mark. All the very best for 2020. Have a great year.

[@robinj.9329]

My only watch with a 7s26 movement is a new Seiko SKX007 J With no "hand-winding" or "hacking" I was quite SHOCKED that Seiko was able to sell this movement at all, in the U.S.A. ! But, since 1996, they have sold MILLIONS of them! First thing I did was order a brand new NH36 for it. Will get that installed in January. Maybe then, I'll actually like and enjoy the watch. It's my first SKX007J. And am so far disappointed.

[@mrdisco99]

I've done this swap. The day wheel and movement spacer need to be transplanted from the old movement. Also you need to source a separate crown and assemble your own stem since the 7S26 stem won't work. Or you can source a SARB059 crown with stem which will fit. It's not a simple movement swap. There are plenty of videos all over KZbin showing the details of all this though. And yes, Seiko has been selling the SKX with the 7S26 since 1996. It seems the 7S movement models (SKX and old 5's) are finally going away now so no more shocks for people who don't know what they're getting.

[@Ecksterphono]

Happy new year. See if you can do a video on servicing a Seiko NH35a movement. If possible.

[@davideckford2415]

Happy Christmas to you and keep up the fantastic work

[@randyallen2771]

Hope you're having a great Boxing Day and a happy New Years to you. Love your channel.

[@JustMakinProgress]

Great video! Please do more budget watch breakdowns.