BUDGET Photography Gear SHOOTOUT | ft. Peter Hurley | Ep 11 (2022)

[@fran0602]

So many great nuggets from Peter on how to make models comfortable. Thanks for putting together.

[@VanessaJoy]

Our pleasure!

[@dukegreer1915]

Watching Peter is so cool how he get those candid shots and seeing Venessa be resourceful but using bounce and there two different styles helps us as photographers to be better . It’s all about capturing the subject and lighting and making them comfortable I’m learning a lot watching these videos.

[@harshglare5017]

I think this is the first time you and your competition used the same camera: this is a great idea as it levels things out....

[@FrancoisvanJaarsveldd]

Two of my favorite photographers together. Real pros, technically as well as personalities-wise. Great vid thanks, guys!

[@VanessaJoy]

Wow, thanks!

[@Hangiinjohnny]

I found I naturally try to get genuine reactions so when I shoot the expected posed shots, I also shoot those in between smiles and reactions and those are usually the more popular photos.

[@VanessaJoy]

agreed!

[@cooloox]

@@TigaWould I thought she pulled the sign out to use the metal frame, which had been holding it, as a picture frame for the model. Lol.

[@josephberkeley]

Great video. Peter's view on "direction through misdirection" makes a difference. What he says doesn't really matter. What does matter is how the subject reacts to the misdirection. I'm a huge fan of the shot you get after the subject has stopped laughing in that the eyes are sparkling, the expression is genuine and the subject is behaving as a happy human rather than a subject. Thanks for making the video and sharing it.

[@VanessaJoy]

Thanks for watching!

[@tomschram1804]

Vanessa, you and Peter are two of the greatest photographers in the world in your own class, I follow you both. I’d be happy to get the shots you both get! Keep up the wonderful videos and thank you. Enjoy a great and wonderful day.

[@VanessaJoy]

Wow, thank you!

[@NickzAndMikz]

Peter is one of the greatest at what he does. Love the Hurleyisms

[@Sportserjeff]

I love that without knowing it I'm incorporating Peter's getting them laughing and having fun on the shoot. With his technique he's capturing the personality of the subject. I always try to catch one goofy face with each session

[@bestpix100]

I think you win this one, the fill light probably made the difference. Thanks so much for your time and effort

[@donaldjones2106]

Both are great. I would not expect less. Peter get's a point for a smile. I have seen him shoot online. He has a ball and so does his model.

[@donaldjones2106]

Hard to choose which one. But Peter's has more smile in it. He is something else. Yes he can talk forever. Great job you both get gold stars.

[@VanessaJoy]

He really is!!

[@apstudios01]

I like both so it's a wash on who's is best. Lotta fun watching.

[@Photomeike]

Look at my girl Chelsea! Great job Vanessa and Peter! This was awesome!

[@dalkapur]

I love these shootouts. This time, it goes to Peter. He really knows how to get the models engaged. I have his headshot book, and while I like squinching, I don't really like cutting off the top of the head. In my mind, I always think "where's the rest of it". You can't bring it back if you don't like it! You can always crop in post a bit if you think it might work.

[@brianasealy6257]

After reading Peter Hurleys headshot book I have found myself hearing him in my head when I shoot and I have been able to implement his style into my photography and it's changed my images and relationship with my clients so much! This was awesome! I don't even know if I could choose you both did so well!

[@jlawr4427]

Vanessa, a very commendable head to head (pun intended) with the headshot guru. Thanx for posting.

[@phynx2006]

Your definitely a brave girl Vanessa going up against Peter on a head-shot photography challenge, I know Vanessa is an excellent photographer and I like Vanessa's image, but I have to go with Peter, I mean, it's Peter🤗 you know the real winner hear is Canon, producing and printing two beautiful images 👍😎👍, great video. BTW I have no issues with cropping the top of the head🤕

[@StunnafulPhotography]

Loving these styles of videos and loving that outfit on you Vanessa! 💪🏽💯

[@holamiju]

Peter wins! Better expression, better (lower) camera angle. He's the master!

[@VanessaJoy]

yes he IS!

[@TeteRecinos]

I think the crop on the top works a lot of the time. As for the 2 shots I think I'm going with Mr Hurley's by the slightest of margins. Great show as always, been a fan since episode 1.

[@VanessaJoy]

Yay I'm so happy you like the series! Do share it around! :-)

[@dukegreer1915]

❤ I been watching this series all morning it’s so cool to see so many of my favorite photographers work together having ng fun. And she blends in with everyone Peter is so funny and Vanessa is so good she went for Phil lol great Video I love her great teacher.

[@VanessaJoy]

So appreciate you watching these!!

[@emilycross4527]

Of the two finals, I like Peter’s slightly better-that said, there were some of Vanessa’s shots I would have chosen over her final one, so I think it’s a tie, all things considered! Peter got a ton of natural and joyful expressions-I mean, it’s Peter Hurley 😃 I’m a fan, so I might be biased. Chopping off the head is effective, it works to emphasize the face, definitely impactful.

[@seanimal3]

They say it's not camera but it's Vanessa that makes the great image !

[@antpruitt]

Always love these videos. All the best to you, lady.

[@tedebaer1]

I prefer to see the whole head most of the time but sometimes it can change a good photo into something more interesting. Great video, greetings from Sweden.

[@outtathyme5679]

By mimicking how most of us shoot, these are really educational!

[@lim2001burger]

Both great photos - so hard to choose! I don’t think o can choose - Vanessa’s pose is powerful, while Peter’s is more coy - both so good!

[@mofeed65]

Peter's for sure!

[@robertmattson8635]

Some great headshots are not the laugh, they are the moment right after the laugh.

[@VanessaJoy]

so true!

[@Simon-SBL]

I still use the M50, a great little camera, I passed on the MK II, but digress... What a shame, f1.4 lens and a plain background, I'd like to have seen what it can really do with environmental backgrounds, nice job on the sign acquisition, though! I have no issues with missing tops of heads for tight headshots, sometimes that works! I don't think I've heard of Peter Hurley before, whoops, sorry! However, on this occasion... Peter Hurley FTW!

[@KRP777]

Aww Chelsea looks amazing such a sport! Had fun meeting you Vanessa in Vegas

[@VanessaJoy]

You too!

[@juancarlosleivaacuna1947]

I vote Vanessa's take! for sure. Great job, guys!

[@ryzenbiel4145]

always interesting for budget performance but have nice results..

[@CrispinKelly]

Well what can I say, Peter Hurley is the master of headshots! Watching him breeze through that was fun. That said, there is a special place for Vanessa Joy who uploads an insane amount of educational content :) - As for the photos it's a close call but I think Peter's shot has it. Regarding cutting off the top of the head works, as long as the rest of the photo is "shabanging" :) Awesome clip thanks Vanessa & Peter!

[@TerryManning]

I like yours on the print, his on the video. I knew this would be a good matchup because you both specialize in making people look their absolute best. And that M50? Wow.

[@VanessaJoy]

right? great camera

[@MichaelEsdrelonPhotography]

I admire you Vanessa you are one of my inspirations! In this photoshoot i like Peter's style in getting real/natural emotions which you showed on your computer. Your shots are great as always but Peter's shots stands out here in my opinion. Thank you so much for making this kind of videos Im learning a lot! Cheers!

[@sociallyinept32]

I love this series! Please keep 'em coming!

[@therock1232100]

Making that model work! Funny and informative!

[@jasonbodden8816]

This was very cool. I don't mind cutting the head off. Depends on how I feel at the time and what the shot looks like, of course.

[@johnherzel718]

I always leave a little room around the top of the head. I don't like to cut into the head in camera, but I don't mind editing/cropping into the top of the head in post. Sometimes it does look good to cut the top of the head off. Sometimes it doesn't. And I'll vote for your print, but Peter had more keepers overall. This was fun!

[@harryburnett7086]

Great job from you two , i like these videos

[@wendystumbaugh695]

Peter Hurley is so gosh darn funny!

[@chaderichsen]

You’re both some of the best for teaching photography. I personally like clipping the top when it’s done correctly. Look forward to taking your class at ShutterFest!

[@VanessaJoy]

Awesome, thank you!

[@keithshenkin3674]

Best of the lot!!! Terrific video!

[@VanessaJoy]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@varunkamal91]

Seeing your rotolight video, reminds me: A budget shoot out with Jason Lanier!! He'll turn up with a speed light and an A6000

[@davebrown2455]

While I love both, I’’ll vote for Peter’s photograph. Vanessa’s for me had a distraction in the lower right, the see through sleeve kept drawing my attention, enough so that I found Peter’s less distracting because of the sleeve. Weird because I feel bad for allowing a small detail to be what created the distinction, but the as I work on my own photography I’ve learned that it is some little detail that defines the photograph. I really love this series and this definitely was one of the best in this series, love it.

[@shawnvine4918]

It's a tough choice. Both are very good, but I do like the more whymsical expression on Vanessa's shot. As for cutting or cropping the top of the head, I'd prefer the whole head, personally.

[@geocubano]

Love this shoot-out !!! As for the top of the head being cut out, depends on the composition sometimes it works .... sometimes it doesn't!

[@geocubano]

Vanessa Joy , I should send you my Pentax K20. It is a 14 mp APSC camera with only 5 Focusing points with an old Film era Manual lens.... for your Photography shootout! Then you will really have a challenge....LOL!

[@josephchan4198]

This is great to get second backup or main camera in bag. Hopefully you have second photographer and assistant for big weddings.

[@VanessaJoy]

i do :-)

[@OmarAvilesCreative]

Love both Peter's and your shots! Two passionate photographers who work so well with people and capture them in their best moments! Great video Vanessa! Once again that 32mm 1.4 lens comes to haunt me. I have the Canon M50 and was looking at that lens for the past 3 years. I love my kit lens15 - 45mm, 22 efm and 50mm 1.8 with adaptor. I decided to buy a Yongnuo lens 35mm 2 lens and it's ok. Perhaps in the future videos you will do a fair comparison of other brands lenses and share your personal experience with them. However, love all your content! Keep being awesome!

[@anitastevens9969]

2 of my Favs. One day I would love to be able to meet both of you and watch you photograph. Awesome job.

[@VanessaJoy]

That would be cool!

[@mcgilvreyfineportraits3905]

Fun video, my vote is shabang!!

[@brad_in_yyc]

I loved those laughs that Peter got! So good! I have no problem with cutting off the tops of people's heads. My clients are a huge fan of it though. I think it looks just fine. But if you had been able to move Peter's up a touch on the paper if would have fit both fine.... providing you had that ability. There was a lot more border on the top than the bottom, so you would THINK that there was... but they both looked great! That one was fun!

[@TheDka1]

I learnt a lot from this video, simple background but you both brought out a lot in the model and ended up with great pics, thanks :)

[@VanessaJoy]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ElSen6]

Great content and Vanessa im sorry but you are EFFING BEAUTIFUL!!!! You a model that shoots !

[@VanessaJoy]

Aw thanks 😊

[@usadavys]

I was in the Headshot Crew, so am used to the idea of cutting off the top of the head! I was lucky enough to get in front of Peter’s camera at WPPI 3 years ago.

[@hawg427]

I always asked my models too say the word "Please" it forms the mouth in a nice pleasant way. I love the way you guys got the model, especially Peter cracked up the model. LOL Looks like your getting that Texas tan.

[@kjamestaylor]

Danel Norton said it's obligatory to cut the top off particularly if you use a Brooklyn type reflector 😇😇😄

[@reneefariasphoto40]

For model and actor headshots, I don't mind a little cut off the top of head. For business/corporate headshots, NO WAY. I think these are both equal but different. I will say in the video I felt her makeup was way too burnt orange vs her olive color hands, so I am glad you edited / color corrected these images. :) Lovely model.

[@VanessaJoy]

she is so lovely! Love your thoughts on the crop

[@DrJake108]

You both are really great - but I give the nod to Peters picture. I liked this video the best in your series. Learned a lot just by watching Peter work . Can’t always say that about others

[@VanessaJoy]

Awesome, thank you!

[@kilohotel6750]

Peter is so much fun to watch and has a great way of teaching. I think his shot is a little better, her smile looks better I think. With cropping the top of the head I think it depends on the person. A woman with lots a hair I think works better then if you cropped a bald guys head. But what do I know, I shoot wildlife not people.

[@VanessaJoy]

he really is great - lol this episode was solely for me so I could watch him work lol

[@johnlehman2761]

Love the shootout. Vanessa, yours is my favorite though.

[@Sparty12161]

Great competition! Vanessa gets the win...

[@jamesshackleton9236]

Hi Vanessa - I enjoy watching your videos. Would you consider doing an "afterwards" where you comment on what you think your guests approaches/methods were (as you saw them)? Peter seemed to totally to focus on interacting with model and the camera work seemed almost incidental (did he change any settings on the camera?). The other thing, was when you printed at the end and you showed the range of Canon papers - when would you use glossy or matt? What does "consumer friendly" mean (in this setting)? If Canon are helping with this, could you show how different papers might make things look? Which you you choose? Sorry, I ran on an bit 🙂

[@VanessaJoy]

That’s definitely a fun angle to take! Consumer friendly is a more easy to use and less expensive camera in my opinion. And they use glossy or matte depending on my mood. :-)

[@CHEF2178]

Very inspirational and gorgeous woman 😍😍

[@Armstrong50]

Great Video, nice grettings from Austria.

[@robertway2858]

I think I like the top image a little better The expression in her eyes wins the image contest for me. As for your question I usually prefer the entire head to be present, although I have seen some dynamic images where the photographer cropped the persons head a bit and they worked for me as well.

[@jettubby17]

Both are good but I have to go with Peter's shot on this one. 🤗

[@dawidwolnik628]

Peter mada great Photo

[@tommynikon2283]

Well- two of my fave shooters, but: Vanessa for the win. Why: Peter's style is dependent upon "molding" the face with multiple light sources- that's his signature. Vanessa going to a vertical format, made the image more compelling to me. IMHO: Peter's looks like a passport photo.

[@The_WarL0rd_Way]

you win, short answer because I'm bendge watching all these budget ones lol

[@VanessaJoy]

Haha 😂

[@pforkes]

It looks like you were at the Mirage Events Center (here in Las Vegas). I’ll be dropping by WPPI tomorrow.

[@VanessaJoy]

I was - and I am now too!

[@mxilplict]

In real life, I think it’s up to the client or the purpose of the shoot when it comes to which one would be better. On the basis of composition and expression I do like Peter’s better, but again it’s subjective. Well done to both of you. And as for the mini-crop, it’s a no for me. Go bigger or go home! Otherwise it looks like an accident or a half-step

[@AdrianBacon]

re headshots: don't cut off the top of the head. If you're going for a more stylistic artsy type of headshot that can be fine (that's more into portrait territory though), but the point of headshots is to be used to identify a person. Don't cut off the top of the head.

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

"They say it's not the camera but the photographer that makes a great image." In general, they would be wrong. The subject is an important aspect, and the cameras are so spectacular that even the "inexpensive" gear is amazing. Perhaps a real challenge would be to use a 15-20 year old $100 (at the time) point & shoot, like an early Canon Elph?

[@VanessaJoy]

look at the rest of the videos in this series... we do exactly that

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

​@@VanessaJoy most simply I would replace "It's not the camera but the photographer that makes a great image," with "It's the subject (including lighting), equipment (camera *and* lens), photographer, and post-processing that makes a great image." For best and most consistent results, have the quality of each at about the same level. I think we really need to get past the idea of "photographer's individualism", especially to make the images a co-creation with the subject rather than "I'm the photographer, I'm the boss!" mentality. The easiest example is your two best images from the session with PhotoMeIke are all because of Julianna, "But the expression!" and "Marvel Studios extra!"

[@njrivetelite]

Mr Hasselblad! I forget how Peter said he won his Hasselblad.

[@VanessaJoy]

he won a hasselblad??

[@njrivetelite]

@@VanessaJoy years ago, ask him lol

[@njrivetelite]

@@VanessaJoy He mentioned it in a video like 10yrs ago. I rem looking for contests after that. Let me know what he says.

[@EdwardKilner]

Peter limited himself to his specialty, and did a fine job, but Vanessa gets the win. This time.

[@jamesshrouds4130]

Both are excellent, but I like yours better. Why do the CR3 files not show up?

[@JFW5358]

Good fun watching the shoot. As for the final photos, it's a very close call but I think I have to give it to Peter. As for cropping off the top of the head, it can work in certain shots but it needs to be a significant crop, not just a tiny bit. That just looks like a mistake.

[@VanessaJoy]

like midway between hairline and top of head, right?

[@JFW5358]

@@VanessaJoy Yes, around that area.

[@SwoleBeastTribe]

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[@VanessaJoy]

heyyyyy

[@stvnspncr]

Cutting the top of the head in a photo was a no no back in the day, things change. I'm going with yours Vanessa the composition is much nicer!!

[@jeffnewman8261]

Fun shoot. too close to call

[@kristosurf0077]

I must say To you Vanessa that you are a big inspiration to me and I had learned so much from your videos! But you are up against the best head shooter in the world Alfred my opinion! And offcorse he is better in that! Awesome video like always:) thx

[@VanessaJoy]

yeah he is the best!

[@raymondgeertsen5069]

Yours is better. I always crop a part head in camera.

[@VanessaJoy]

aw thx,

[@Ranger7Studios]

They are really two different shots. Peter's is more theatrical/commercial and yours is more model/print work. I would probably hire her from both shots. I do like the expression more in Peters. It's more natural. So, if we are talking "head shots", I'm going to have to go with Peters.

[@VanessaJoy]

he's the MASTER!

[@timhicks4816]

It's a must, crop the top.

[@VanessaJoy]

Yassss

[@NayJ2008]

Good content, love it!

[@VanessaJoy]

Thank you! You too!

[@1990geddes]

Sorry Vanessa Peter has got this one

[@LadyJaneG]

I think I give it to Vanessa this time!! Sorry Peter....

[@victorcolon3222]

I have canon pro100 that need maintenance but I leave in Maryland and aren't where send to fix. Can you can help me with that.

[@VanessaJoy]

Virginia I believe?

[@ivanbuckingham2302]

Shout out to Manny

[@VanessaJoy]

haha yup

[@derbagger22]

Is that Will Ferrell's brother?

[@edduffy9366]

I thought this guy retired? He does great head shots, but what else? He doesn’t want that hands crap! He is a bit uncomfortable outside his studio head shot only element.

[@VanessaJoy]

no he didn't retire lol - he's great! always super comfortable and fun to be around

[@dimkulikovchanal]

Vanessa

[@PH12364]

I prefer the whole head looks amateurish to loose top of head

[@VanessaJoy]

it's a preference, doesn't scream amateur either way.

[@PH12364]

@@VanessaJoy sorry you asked for opinions

[@victorcolon3222]

I like more Peter look better but your look nice.

[@pirate9882]

When the photographer is way more beautiful than the model...