BUDGET VS EXPENSIVE DOWN JACKETS - Warm

[@JustinOutdoors]

PackWizard.com Down Jacket Database: geni.us/PW-InsulatedJackets 👇 GEAR FROM THE VIDEO 👇 Decathlon MT500: geni.us/MT500DownJacket Rab Mythic G: geni.us/MythicG

[@viv3d]

the mt500 link is broken

[@RideAlongside]

It’s funny that this popped up this morning. As I make maps for an environmental planning company in GIS, I was thinking how grateful I’ve been over the last 3 years of using the ForclaZ MT100 you recommended to me 3 years ago. Although I ripped a small hole in the left sleeve years ago, some Leukotape has kept it going strong and it’s always the first jacket I reach for at this time of year when headed out on the trail in the early morning whether bikepacking, fastpacking, or a training trail run. I am so thankful for your wisdom and advice Justin. More so every time I reach for the Forclaz down jacket! -Nick, Prescott, AZ

[@Andy-Mesa]

I have a Rab Mythic Alpine which retails for ten times what I paid for my Decathlon MT100. I still wear the Decathlon 90% of the time.

[@coltoncj1]

Love my decathlon down jacket! I also love how’s its more accessible to people on a budget, and if you do rip a hole in it, you’re not going to cry as much over since it’s so much more affordable

[@thelosttraveller4725]

This presentation is excellent, but I think you left out a very important detail when talking about the price: the quality of the zipper.

[@9abe9]

Ykk on the Decarhlon

[@eckiger_luki6424]

I just went to Decathlon and bought the MT500 after watching your video. I was looking for a good cheap down jacket for weeks and watched every youtube video on down jackets and searched for hours. I even ordered a Columbia jacket but it was too big and way to thin and cold so i returned it. The MT500 is awesome with the soft fabric in the pockets and the hat i love it

[@frogturtle]

I demand more clones of Justin after watching this video. The ultimate side-by-side-by-side-by-side comparison!

[@JustinOutdoors]

I think I need to try doubling again. 4 Justins can likely review gear better than 2, right?

[@Art-at-the-Fortress]

@@JustinOutdoorsjust follow the golden Multiplicity rule… Never clone a clone. 😂

[@frogturtle]

@@JustinOutdoors I demand a council of Justins for all gear-related questions

[@IPv6Freely]

I got the REI Magma 850 just because it was on clearance and I had a whole bunch of REI rewards. I'm honestly shocked by how good it is. I didn't have high hopes and figured it'd just be a day to day "fashion" jacket, but it ended up being surprisingly warm. Also, somehow surprisingly not too warm when it isn't that cold out.

[@JoaJoh]

Your presentation and audio have been on point lately!

[@JustinOutdoors]

Thanks! What have you been liking about the presentation?

[@JoaJoh]

​@@JustinOutdoors The fluid cuts and variety of scenes make make the video feel a lot more visually interesting than say a year or two ago when there were more static talking to the camera shots. The way you talk about gear has always been top notch but the overall on camera confidence gives a more professional but still relatable vibe

[@nephivang151]

If you are out of US or will ever be going out of the US I’d recommend checking there websites in that country, just went to Japan and the MT500 down jacket is only around $95 for an 800 fill down jacket that is a solid set up, similar to the one in the US decathlon website but with some fleece lined parts that I personally love, just wanted to give a tip if you are ever looking for more options or are going to Japan and want an amazing deal for a solid down jacket. Website wasn’t in English though so you may have to ask hotel staff or a person that knows the language to order the jacket and ship it to you

[@pete49327]

The bright orange colored jacket may provide better warmth in sunny/bright conditions due to better absorption of infrared or near infrared rays.

[@channmoga]

Recently bought MT500 from decathlon under brand name Forclaz. Costs me around 80USD during year end sale. The jacket is super warm and light. I feel with a good fleece below this jacket will work as good in -10 temp. I'll be spending a week in Spiti valley next month its a good place to test this jacket the temp would be as low as -20 in spiti valley. My brother bought MT900 110USD.. we'll test both jackets will share my review here.. thanks for the awesome video.

[@wadly312]

This was really useful - I’m in the market for a new down jacket so great food for thought

[@davidcooper8390]

Great comparison Justin. Love my Ghost Whisperer 2, but need something warmer for the colder fall trips.

[@billb5732]

Excellent concept for a video. ;) (I suspected this would be the result, but it's nice to know.) Thank you!

[@BENJAMIN-ut4rb]

1:05 the price is wrong fyi

[@JustinOutdoors]

Surprising I only messed up one spec wit ha copy and paste error!

[@jeffreycarman2185]

A couple of other things to think about are zipper and material quality, and customer service. On the whole it’s a great video. I never considered how “springy” different quality levels of down are.

[@grahamriley8124]

Matters little what it costs. Does it match you (fit) and your needs? Get those wrong and you could be in for torrid time. If you’re lucky the cheap one works for you!

[@Mario-cr1ik]

@JustinOutdoors: (00:51) According to Decathlon Description, the MT500 now uses 800 Cuin Down, not 850. But not much of a difference

[@JustinOutdoors]

800 based on EU testing. 850 by US

[@gregdavey8217]

I own a Decathlon MT100 and love it , great value, my daily winter puffy. I also own some RAB gear which is fantastic as well but at a higher price. If you live in Canada and are a short drive from the US border I highly recommend Montbell Japan. Just get your sizing right and have it shipped to a US parcel service just over the border, drive over the border and pick it up. Much cheaper with the current value of the Yen compared to ordering from the North American Montbell site. I have never had to pay duty bringing it back to Canada as long as the total value isn't too high. I have their Alpine Down Parka ( insanely warm and not that heavy for a deep winter jacket, I get cold easily ) and a Storm Cruiser rain jacket and the quality is top notch ( don't recommend the Versalite for Canada as it's not actually waterproof, mine starting leaking after 20 minutes of Tofino rain, sold it. Get the Storm Cruiser instead, it's been bulletproof and still pretty light). Will probably order a Plasma 1000 next year.

[@JustinOutdoors]

Montbell Japan will ship directly to Canada too! I've ordered twice and didn't get hit with duties or brokerage because they ship Japan Post.

[@gregdavey8217]

@@JustinOutdoors Oh wow ! That wasn't an option when I ordered in the past. Thanks for the heads up Justin. Lover their products.

[@kgilliagorilla2761]

I own an Alpine jacket from Montbell. Really nice for the price.

[@nicholasvazquez5846]

Can you still do this? I heard they updated the website so you can't buy from japan anymore for a lower price.

[@dylanpausic5026]

Was about to go to sleep then saw a new video from the GOAT 🐐

[@hike2fish]

Really good review with tangible views and real world application. Cheers.

[@wren_jo]

Used gear is a great way to get a high quality item without the price. Patagonia and REI are examples of where you can get used gear. That's how I got my puffy 😊

[@xjessukx]

I'm lucky enough to live near the rab factory shop

[@Mike-t9c2x]

Lol that's a supreme perk..

[@marcusohlsson3130]

Oooo Justin, you look adoreable in both!

[@L4mTr4n]

Wonder if you ever tested the Black Diamond Deploy Hoodie. With 1000 down fill, I think it’s in the similar category as Montbell Plasma and Rab Mythic G.

[@Mario-cr1ik]

The decathlon MT500 down jacket (with hood) is currently at $105 (at least in Europe), my parcel is on the way.

[@IanTheOutdoorGuy]

Wow I didn't even know there was a thing as live plucking of geese. Definitely think there is an argument for animal welfare in mind hiking gear. Thanks for sharing

[@nicholasvazquez5846]

​ @JustinOutdoors What is the warmth difference between the MT500 and patagonia's down sweater hoody.

[@DarkstarDarth]

If the decathlon had YKK zippers and internal pockets it would be a steal

[@JustinOutdoors]

Pretty sure it has ykk zippers (the mt100 does). I also think it has two internal drop pockets. But I'm not home right now so can't dbl check.

[@Keefe_Outdoors]

I just bought a $500 montbell mirage parka, but from the japan website so its only $250 cuz the yen is weak. kinda stoked to see how well it works in Colorado this winter. decathalon is great though, use it as daily jacket for around town and for backpacking.

[@nicholasvazquez5846]

Is this still possible I thought you couldn't do this anymore because they updated the website? Do you have a link?

[@tgvaillancourt]

Nemo tensor extreme vs naturehike r8.8 pad. It gonna get cold soon would be a good test. Naturehike is 1/2 the price of the tensor extreme

[@JustinOutdoors]

I have Tensor XC vs Xtherm coming soon. There are a lot of new pads on the market from brands who don't traditionally make good pads that I need to try, including some of the naturehike options. That's one of the missions in 2025! Baby Josie has really cut into pad testing time...

[@camperlists7090]

You should choose Lighttour R7.5. That is 10cm. Lighttour is a OEM product for NH. NH R8.8 is 12cm. When you sleep on it, it shakes a lot, which is bad for your waist. Because I am the distributor of those products.

[@kevinmurray1951]

❤the down jackets

[@mikekraut7643]

Would love to see you get your hands on some Timmermade gear to test out

[@JustinOutdoors]

I refuse to be awake when the new order window opens and there is never any capacity left by morning unfortunately

[@kgilliagorilla2761]

Columbia has had the reflector interior for a long time. Just saying

[@loyaltyisroyalty5616]

Freak yeah. And in their insulated boots

[@kevinguthrie5495]

Seems expensive for a jacket with sown-through seams. Are there any out there with box baffles?.

[@JustinOutdoors]

Decathlon Simond Down Parka and Rab Mythic Ultra have box baffles and are really solid jackets

[@pithon3d477]

Decathlon for the win

[@marcb1289]

In France, the Decathlon MT500 is given as 800 cuin.

[@JustinOutdoors]

EU vs US measuring system

[@natea1042]

He means that the fillpower is 800 not 850. Says as much on all the decathlon sites. The overall warmth rating is still almost the same though.

[@JustinOutdoors]

@@natea1042 the FP is 800 using the EU measurement system and 850 using the US measurement system.

[@ostrichhollow9327]

Can you review the flextail zero r05 ultralight mattress?

[@JustinOutdoors]

I've been testing it. It will likely get an unfavorable review because the outside baffles lack insulation, which is a deal breaker for me.

[@johncarnes2688]

I still love my fleece even though it weighs more

[@AndersRamm]

Please make same video for downpants. Really big difference between naturehike and other brands

[@JustinOutdoors]

I haven't really found any down pants I really like. I mostly just make do.

[@AndersRamm]

@@JustinOutdoors I am also very much on the fence about them in general. But except a fire, I can’t think of another way of keeping my legs warm while being completely stationary at camp 🏕️

[@euphonek]

I love the Kuiu down pants. Zippers all the way up the sides, so easy to get on/off.

[@AndersRamm]

@@euphonek at what temperatures do you use these?

[@arminhodzic8498]

Right now Decathlon Germany offers MT500 for 80€.

[@alexandertourville5015]

I noticed that decathlon states their jackets run small. I usually wear a size large. Do you think it would make sense to upsize to an XL?

[@rvpcqp]

Definitely. I usually wear a Large Tall size and the XL fits well over one layer but is a bit tight over extra layers like a hoodie. If you’re planning to wear in moderately cold temps over a T-shirt or something (kept me warm down to low 40’s) get 1 size up. If using over multiple layers adding 2 sizes might be better.

[@Alpsbae]

Can I ask what size are you wearing for the Rab Mythic G?

[@JustinOutdoors]

Size large

[@browsman2328]

Justin has met his doppelgänger

[@johnliebel3325]

Justin and Dustin Outdoors

[@gregoryoutdoors]

Also Rab is very overpriced here in UK also comparing to other brand, its good and I have few items but still...

[@alpineearth]

That’s just Two much

[@EVANHIRSCHMANG]

dont spend 500 on a down jacket unless you got money basically

[@davegreen7853]

I want a quilt not full of down but synthetic fibers as I hate the thought of sleeping in dead animal products , I need it to go at least -5 celsius. I found out today some bags use what they call live bird feathers. This means the poor animal was plucked while it was alive then continued to live till it was fat enough to killed be eaten. I don’t want this on my conscious, and apparently many bags and quilts use these fathers. No cool no good. So man use your knowledge and support animal free products and recommend what I can buy. I am sure all reading this now will want an alternative regardless of price.

[@The_Arby]

Your paying $200 just for the Rab name, lol

[@sebulban]

Nice review. Would like to see a review from really warm down jackets. Those 2 are still considered as lightweight puffs even though they offer quite good insulation. I’m talking something like arcteryx alpha parka or Fjällräven expedition down jacket. There seems to be none of those in KZbin and I need a new one 😅

[@JustinOutdoors]

I might do a Decathlon Simond Down Parka vs Rab Mythic Ultra

[@dave_ben]

@@JustinOutdoors do it!

[@Daisy_Chain762]

No live plucking? Im out😂

[@josephnoonan82]

I love how $140 is budget.......

[@medimalismus]

vor 1 Minute What do you expect? Labour, farbrics and especially down has its price. You could get it cheaper if you want the geese to have completely f****d up living conditions and super low quality down. Get a synthetic jacket if you want it cheap.

[@josephnoonan82]

@@medimalismus $140 for a jacket is not budget

[@audiojck1]

An ultralight down jacket is kind of a luxury item anyway though. If you want budget try to find a used one.

[@conquesttsi88]

$50 is more of what a budget jacket can be at. Anything hire should not be considered as budget.

[@audiojck1]

@@conquesttsi88 are you angry that a KZbinr uses clickbaity titles? At least the summary is that the less premium jacket is also fine.