Budget vs Premium AR10 Rifles | ADM UIC-10A vs PSA Super SASS

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The Palmetto State Armory Sabre Super SASS or the American Defense Manufacturing UIC10? Which do you choose? PSA or ADM?
One of these two 308 AR10 rifles is nicer but is it that much nicer? They are both very expensive rifles and touted as being accurate but are they? Both have great scopes which are perfectly matched for the platform. One with a Nightforce NX8 2.5-20 and the other a Vortex Strike Eagle 3-18. Each have well made barrels from Criterion or Faxon firearms.
We deep dive and review the PSA Super Sass and the ADM UIC10 against each other and hope to help you choose which one is worth your time and your space!
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PSA Sabre 10A2 Super SASS
Palmetto State Armory Sabre 10A2 Super SASS

[@user-qp8et2ne9l]

What I see is that if you want a pretty decent AR10, get the Sabre.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

That would be a correct observation

[@waynecastleman1363]

Yep the Sabor !

[@hawaiiangunner]

Buy the absolute cheapest AR-10 rifle you can. Replace the barrel and Bolt. You will end up with an unbelievably accurate rifle for a great price

[@01Sassoon]

@@hawaiiangunner Yup, correct... If you're going to spend your cash. Barrel, Bolt, and Trigger.

[@John_439]

Love mine.

[@Matt-dd3cw]

I love your content, and I have a ton of respect for your shooting ability. That said, I want to share something as I had a very similar experience the first time I shot my LMT MWS 20" 6.5 CM. During my first range outing, using high-quality otm Factory ammo, every 5 round group was between 1.5 - 3 MOA at 100 yards. I was beyond disappointed, as I had just spent over $3,000 for the rifle, and another $2500 for the optic setup After doing some research, as difficult as it was to admit, the cause of the poor grouping was me. Initially I thought it had to be the rifle, because I routinely shoot sub .3's with my Accuracy International bolt action rifle. However, I have learned that heavy bolt action Precision rifles are a much more forgiving forgiving platform to shoot accurately The AR-10 platform will exploit any flaw you have in your shooting fundamentals. I find when I shoot with a soft shoulder, focus on trigger press and follow through, bring my thumb to the strong side, and keep the trigger pinned back until the recoil cycle is over, my groups improve significantly. I'm also consciously neutral on the bipod, I do not load it (especially with Atlas or that Magpul) . These have all helped me stay sub MOA with the exact same ammo when I focus on all of the above. Any lack of focus will produce a bad shot. When I do everything right, I now consistently shoot .5 MOA - .9 MOA with 130 gr Berger hybrids I love to hate trying to shoot tiny groups with the AR-10

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thanks for the information, I appreciate the candor. I have shot it since then with no luck. But we shall see what happens! Thanks for watching and the input!

[@Matt-dd3cw]

​@@HuntFishShootChannelI would try one other thing, try using a benchrest style front rest or at least a big heavy front bag along with a rear bag. Eliminate the bipod as a variable

[@H8D4]

Thanks for sharing these tips!

[@Jrude22]

I would take PSA as the winner. Almost same moa but alot difference in price.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Very true!

[@bearman000ify]

Same!

[@davidwoolard1264]

I don't feel so bad with my $600 gen2 pa10 now. I can by a lot m80 ball with that extra two grand.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Yes you can!

[@billdont2458]

This! I just put together a dumpster fire of a Frankenstein AR10. Took me a bit to get it running right. But I did. I have under 600 in the gun and another 200 for the scope (PSA daily deal, vortex 3-18) After tweaking and finding the right ammo, she runs great and I can nail 6in plates at 600. So yeah, spend the extra money on ammo and getting better.

[@brandonbryant3586]

Got an ADM UIC 13.9 last year. Came with a loose barrel nut that was barely noticeable. Great gun once I took care of it. But whoa buddy, they got some folks to have a talk with in the offices.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Good to know! Thanks for sharing!

[@Radvous]

Loose barrel nuts and castle nuts seem to be a common theme. This is why I don't even fully trust companies like Daniel Defense, you really don't know what kind of effort went into the rifle. This is why I put together my own rifles so I can get the exact torque spec, surface prepped screws and loctite etc.

[@crunchymccrunchy9508]

I had a buddy that had a higher end AR that just wouldn't run. It turned out that the screws in his gas block had been stripped.

[@BadActor-]

Thanks For The Honesty..... An Endangered Trait In Modernity....

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

I really wanted to see both of them shoot better, even shot them after this video hoping they were flukes but returned the same results. Fringe 1 MOA at best with 6 different common match ammos

[@BadActor-]

@@HuntFishShootChannel Both Nice Weapons.... Must Be The Knights Secret Sauce ... Ha ha

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

@BadActor- maybe! This UIC is very nice but I haven’t found the right bullets which must be ultra special because I tried all the popular match ammos with 1-1.5 MOA results. Not what I want

[@revolutionanarchy713]

@@BadActor- Seekins SP10 has entered the chatroom...

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Need an SP10

[@__Dave__]

Now that’s a no b.s. review if I’ve ever seen one, nicely done

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thank you!

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

#MakeGunReviewsHonestAgain2024

[@mrwagner01]

Might be interesting reaching out to criterion actually, they’re crazy about tolerance stacking, your bcg, bolt head, head spacing everything. They might be able to point you in a better direction to tighten up that ADM.

[@vashmatrix5769]

Does forged vs billet just boil down to forged is stronger but billet offers ambi controls?

[@ryimscaith1593]

I always tell people the same thing here. It depends on your skill sets. If you have no gunsmithing skill, pay the money for top end product. If you routinely break down your rifles blindfolded, custom design parts and accessories, and hand load your own ammo to the third decimal point on powder and bullet grain, well, then you can go cheaper and fix/alter what needs. It's like buying a car. You don't buy a beater if you barely know where to check the oil. That being said, I love my PA-10 Gen3 after I fixed the timing issue causing the firing pin to hit primer so hard it sometimes blew holes through the primer. Consistently shoots .5-.75 MOA at 100m.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thanks for sharing

[@thanehanson6746]

High-end rifle with High-end scope vs cheaper rifle with cheaper scope. PSA did a good job.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Very true!

[@rosstheboss13]

Thank you for being honest and bringing us amazing much needed content.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thank you! And thanks for watching!

[@bradbeam7254]

Without really getting into it I think this is a pretty good representation… I don’t think expecting 1.5-2 MOA is too much to ask for how this shooting went down. With time/break in they should get better. With ammo testing they should get better, but unless you’re really wanting an AR10 I wouldn’t expect 1 MOA. Just me though. Thanks for the review.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thank you and thanks for watching!

[@ThatOneGuyTURNER]

Honesty what a breath of fresh air!!! Great video, subscribed!!!

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thank you! You can expect that all the time here!

[@DavidCobb-uc4qr]

I think it may be the shooter

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

You should buy both rifles, buy all the ammo and do the same test, but don’t complain if you get similar results

[@user-po5uc8te7f]

Man, I wanted at least one of those to shoot really well! That's the most important criteria for sure!

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Agreed. They shoot ok but not great

[@jacobdeem8187]

Did we hear round count on each gun? I don't feel like I did. This certainly makes a difference

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

@jacobdeem8187 over 50 on the ADM and 20 on the Sabre before filming. It’s 2024 and a quality well made barrel especially one that is lapped, doesn’t need a break in. But if a gun shoots 1-1.5 MOA, it’s not all of a sudden going to shoot .5 with break in. Do some gun barrels need a break in? Sure but not high end barrels.

[@jacobdeem8187]

@@HuntFishShootChannel some do some don't need a break in period. I'm not big on break in periods but I've seen plenty of barrels that speed up and tighten up with varying round counts.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

@jacobdeem8187 agreed, it can be case by case basis no doubt

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

10:31 The bipod rail isn't connected. I'm sure it doesn't hurt anything but you may want to be aware it flex'd and pulled away from the handguard for just a moment

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thank you for the heads up!

[@jonathanhoppe6500]

My PSA shoots 150gr cor-lokt sub-moa. Shoots hornady black 168 in a 3 inch group. I want to test more loads, but sometimes your rifle chooses a load it likes and thats just what you go with!

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Is it this model?

[@user-do1fq8oy9c]

Wish you would have had an SR25 or LWRCI REPR on hand to set a standard to compare these to

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Ain’t that the truth!

[@greenLB90]

Lmt mars h

[@Schultz344]

A good alternative to these AR10s is the seekins SP10. I've gotten better groups from ball ammo than what's shown in this video. Floats around 1" with fed gmm 175gr sometimes under some over.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

I need an SP10 in my life!

[@blindfiret.v.6908]

As an armorer, mechanically speaking both rifles, lack the proper buffer system. If you were to put an actual rifle length AR 10 buffer kit on the PSA with an H3 buffer it would bring it to it cycling process with M 118 and M 118 LR. Remember that the reason why that PSA is recalling so much is because it has an H buffer on it. Eugene Stoner figured this out a long time ago when he created the original AR 10 and the SR 25 platform, a.k.a. the M1 10 my recommendation at least mechanically is to put of the proper buffer system on that PSA and maybe on also the ADM. You can look at a lot of the armorer manuals for the SR 25 and it will tell you exactly this.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

I agree with you, which is likely why the ADM uses an H3 buffer and also shoots softer. Thanks for sharing the input!

[@blindfiret.v.6908]

@@HuntFishShootChannel you are most welcome, kind, sir

[@hardcoretrout]

Dang it! I was hoping for the SASS to group better.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

PSA reached out to us and they average 1.2 MOA so you are seeing near peak performance

[@Deathbecomesme3]

I've got a gen 3 non Saber 20" model. It shoots better than I do.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

That’s great!

[@78tooth83]

I really expected the PSA to get bashed in this video. So thanks for being honest. But I’m still not buying either gun. LOL. I have to much fun building them myself. And after your video it looks like I’m putting better guns together for cheaper.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thanks for watching! No bashing here!

[@broxtonC]

I hear a lot of complaints on the PSA not having ambi controls, they offer a billet option that has them. You just bought the wrong one if you wanted that.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

No I just didn’t think billet model was work 2k. It’s grossly overpriced. it’s also not ambi like the ADM. it doesn’t feature ambi bolt lock.

[@Justsomeguyus]

Interesting. I have a Franken gun that is closer to the ADM than to the PSA. Mine has Criterion 16" barrel, Brownels BCG, forged receivers from wherever, Radian Raptor charging handle, Gieslie trigger and midwest industries handguard. The stock on mine is a carbine style Magpul, but it will get upgraded. It's scoped with a SFP 2.5-15 Trigicon Credo. I'm in it for around 1500 without the optic, but some of those parts were bought when things were hard to find and priced at a premium. My results are similar to yours. Winchester M118 is shooting sub MOA to 2 MOA, and I have two 5 shot groups with Fed 165gr Berger that are .93 and 1.34. I'll have some more ammunition to work through this week. I have seen others remark that sometimes these rifles will settle in after 6 or 700 rounds. I'm probably still a bit shy of that.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

600-700 rounds to get accuracy? Sweet Jesus lol

[@jordankrych8747]

Is that a Garmin Instinct 2? I have one and love it, great watch!

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

That’s the one! Still ticking, it’s about 5 years old now!

[@MedicalTape_xX]

I think a 3 round group is an embarrassingly poor test to recommend a purchase on, you also don't in anyway discuss longevity, reliability, warranty, or use case

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

We specifically state why a three shot group was used. In addition 3 shot groups is the standard which 98% of rifles on the market are held to for accuracy guarantees. This is an initial review, not a long term use review. Use case? That’s up to the individual to make that choice. Finally, if this test was poor, do you have an example of yourself making a similar video for us to see how it’s done? If so drop us a link 🙏

[@brantingram]

i had a ADM uic 308 and the accuracy was not good , i tried every load and match grade ammo , even used a leadsled and it just wasnt that good . i have a Aero precision i built in 308 and was more accurate , love the ADM receivers but the barrel was not great .

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Good to know! Thanks for sharing!

[@7.62flavorsoffreedom2]

Any way we can see how a midwest industries rifle compares with their criterion barrel? Rifle is about $1700 i believe which seems like a pretty good deal from a fairly solid company but reviews are very seldom to find

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

The rifle is hard to find as well, but I’ll keep it in mind!

[@IROD808]

Great video brother ! Keep getting it !

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thanks!

[@psychobeam99]

Our economy is really fucked if $1500 is considered budget. That said, even if you dont like the Sabre, accuracy, setup, etc. It's still a solid starting platform to build on. Just swap barrels and maybe other parts, and you can fine tune this into a solid tack driver.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Agreed. It is a shame in the grand scheme of things

[@1ItsReal]

Customer reviews on PSA website say they had to break the Faxon barrel in. It takes about 100 rounds to break in.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

there are reviews on their site, I have read them and talked to PSA. Was told to expect 1.2 MOA, so basically what was demonstrated

[@jonathanmisetich1520]

Am I the only one that noticed the bipod rail on the PSA was loose while shooting? I feel like that might have contributed to the accuracy issues. I've been shooting a lot of .308 lately and my POF Revolution is just about at 1.25 MOA with the right ammo. I'm also doing 10 round groups though. 3 rounds just doesn't seem like enough to get a solid representation of the barrel's actual accuracy. I know that if I only fired 3 rounds with my POF, I could easily say it's sub-MOA. Last time I took it out, the first 6 rounds were touching and less than a half an inch. Regardless, the accuracy of that ADM is just unacceptable. I would show this video to them and see what's going on with the rifle cause a $3k rifle should shoot better than that.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Not loose at all. The Magpul bipod has significantly more flex and play than the atlas. Three rounds was used as it’s the standard for manufacturers to use for accuracy testing. Bolt guns have no issue reaching sub Moa if they are good rifles with 3 rounds but for some reason less than accurate ARs need 5 or more? The reality is if the gun can’t shoot sub Moa with 3 shots, it won’t do it in 5. In regards to the ADM, I’m dissatisfied to say the least. I have shot it more since we filmed with the same results. There could be an ammo out there but I haven’t found it yet in any of the normal good shooting 308 stuff. Black hills will be next

[@jonathanmisetich1520]

@@HuntFishShootChannel I wasn't referring to the bipod, but the rail it's mounted on itself. I can literally see it separate from the handguard several times through the video while shooting. As for the grouping, I don't think you understood what I said. I'm not saying the rifle would group tighter with a larger amount of bullets per grouping, if anything, it'd be even worse, but that'd be an accurate representation of what the rifle is actually doing. Everyone is moving to 10 round groups now because of what I explained. With my POF, if I do a 3 round group, I can practically stack the bullets on top of each other and claim I have a half-MOA gun, but if I fire just a few more rounds, suddenly my group opens up a bit. It's just to say that 3 round groups are basically luck, as opposed to what the rifle is actually reliably capable of. As for bolt guns, I can think of a number of reasons a barrel manufacturer would only fire three rounds through their bolt gun barrel, but the most prominent being what I just explained. If they only fire 3 rounds and get a quarter-MOA grouping, they can sell the barrel as "Quarter-MOA". It's why you hear these claims of "sub-MOA" guns all day long but as soon as the bullets meet paper, those claims go out the window. Haven't you heard of the 1-MOA-All-Day challenge going around? Forgotten weapons did a great video explaining it and showing it.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

@jonathanmisetich1520 you can do ten rounds sure but you are then looking at heat deflection on the overwhelming majority of guns. I understood completely what you said, I have also seen the information from forgotten weapons about this. I don’t care if a manufacturer guarantees sub MOA or not, I want the gun the to shoot it. If a rifle doesn’t shoot it, I generally do not like it. The reason competition rifles have ultra heavy barrels is a the number of rounds in a course of fire can be increased without shot stringing due to the barrel heating up like a lighter contour. It’s important to know every rifles tipping point for heat but most is around 7 rounds, especially gas guns. How much will they deviate? Thats case by case basis. The level of deviation is more or less depending on how good the barrel is or not, high end barrels will deviate yet still remain effective for use under heavy firing schedules while low tier will not. As far as the 1 MOA all day challenge I am familiar depending on which variation we are talking about, it’s been around for a long time. I have 3 particular rifles in my safe I can guarantee I pull out, shoot sub MOA, use a load I know shoots well in them and more importantly I know exactly where my cold bore shot will land. I get rid of rifles which do not shoot sub MOA every time I take them out.

[@dhena8112]

I've heard reports of people having loss of accuracy with a Warcomp. It doesn't matter unless your actually trying to build a gun for accuracy though.

[@garrettshelton5788]

Big thing is its not a PSA barrel, but a Faxon match barrel

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Truth!

[@TheAdam2877]

I own neither but it seems to me the ADM should be sub moa with match ammo and if it is not then you should be contacting them. The PSA Sabre is a first gen attempt that may need some polishing but I can tell you right off the rip that your picatinny rail is not attached properly which will and probably did cause a shift in each shot. It also looked like you fired the first shot when you wasn't expecting to lol. Maybe it was the way you edited but that isn't going to lean towards consistency either. If I were to try and give an honest review of these guns I would try to keep things as consistent as possible limit the variables you can control. Double check all attachments are torqued to spec and insure they are properly attached ;). I would also have a table stop to keep my bipod from moving forward after every shot. You should also keep data on which ammo brand and grain each rifle likes as some are very picky. If it was about the best possible groups I could get I would even consider using the Nightforce Scope and the Atlas Bipod on both rifles at least for testing groups and comparisons. It isn't a very apples to apples comparison when you use budget optics vs high end optics and bipods. That is not even considering the different triggers in each rifle which makes a difference especially if you are going back and forth between rifles. Overall for the money PSA did a good job with the Super Sass but further testing will tell the real story. As for the ADM rifle I have always heard great things about them and it seemed to be a let down based on your results. Maybe under better settings or even a different shooter the results would improve but I would be contacting them to see about sending it in because that is not sub moa.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Part of the vs. or comparison was more budget friendly vs high end. Unfortunately the ADM has no such accuracy guarantee and is hovering around 1 MOA with further testing. Just nothing great. Thanks for watching and the input!

[@tripledhatch]

The bipod was hanging off on the sass

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thanks

[@waltermullaney5041]

I've heard after around 100 rounds these precision barrels tighten up their groups. I've certainty experienced this with hunting rifles. I'd be interested to see a follow up. To be honest I've never actually seen a gas rifle shoot sub moa so 1.5 to 2 might be as good as it gets. Thanks for the honest review!

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

A follow up will happen if they get more accurate! Some gas guns struggle for 1 MOA but these shouldn’t be. Thanks for watching!

[@waltermullaney5041]

Absolutely take care brother!

[@PineyJustice]

Depends a lot on the barrel AND the ammo. I've got a precision AR-15 that can do quarter MOA groups with handmade special ammo, 22" bull barrel etc.

[@PineyJustice]

Also I have a bear creek 6.5 creedmoor, the barrel looks like a sewer pipe, phosphated inside, also a bull barrel, that thing shoots half MOA groups all day long. Some of it is the luck of the draw on parts, buying more expensive stuff just gives you a better chance.

[@briandean1000]

If you want a decent rifle. Build it.

[@T1Ballistic]

Buys forged model instead of billet on the sass and then proceeds to complain about it not being billet or the ambi bolt release that the billet has lol

[@NavySooner]

It’s a law of diminishing returns.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Yes

[@garymcgowan4057]

I would not test for accuracy until you have at least 100 rounds through them. Even if it's M80 ball ammo. I've seen multiple Sabre 10 rifles shooting .75in moa at 100 yards. But they had a few hundred rounds through them. Also the PSA's seem to like Federal Gold Match 175gr or 168gr. To me that's the best factory load you can buy.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Accuracy testing continues and yet to see a change even after barrel “break in” on a premium barrel.

[@miguelrojas1686]

3 round groups is barely an accuracy test…

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Ok we stated the why and also did the three rounds as show for how most manufacturers demonstrate sub MOA. If they won’t shoot sub MOA 3 shot groups they won’t do it in 5, 6 7 or 9 or 10.

[@djtoutdoors3930]

Only problem is have to get dig parts and not easily interchangeable or at least when I looked last

[@sladeoriginal]

a lot of weight at the end on that bipod, putting tension on the barrel nut the handguard is bolted to.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Shouldn’t be an issue, it’s not that much pressure or enough to cause deflection

[@David-j3n]

Great video. I appreciate your honesty on these rifles, Mike have you heard or know anything about the VK1 Ar15 that seems like a excellent rifle

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

I need to try one of those!

[@David-j3n]

The site for that rifle is VKTR industries. I'm kind of torn between that one and the Mitchell def I want a great one and done home def and range mpr rifle

[@downonit22]

damn, i put a 20inch Criterion chrome lined barrel in my PA10 gen2 with the JP headspaced bolt. Rounds touch with m80 ball if im doing my part.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

That is awesome! Maybe I get there one day with an ammo I choose but not right now

[@downonit22]

@@HuntFishShootChannel I'm definitely not suggesting I'm a capable shooter. The system is certainly more accurate than I am lol. I did run different ammo through it too, Hornady 178gr BTHP was also very accurate. I'm pretty tempted to try AAC offerings

[@LONEWOLF_LCD]

I have a good amount of experience with Criterion 556 barrels and I have to say I was really surprised by this….. I built a LMT MARS H 6.5 CM and was kicking around getting a Criterion barrel made for it….. I’ll stick with my LMT barrel for now, try some Berger 175 gr and see what that does in both, if not send the gun to Criterion and ask Mike Ross to play around Willy’s it and do his magic

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

@LONEWOLF_LCD I have a few different ammos I’ll have to try and get because many of the usually 308 match ones haven’t worked

[@BassStoke]

Nobody is the winner. I haven’t seen ar10 performance and reliability that has made me want to purchase one.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

It’s feeling like that

[@djtoutdoors3930]

What’s wrong with the sig tread ar10 with a vortex viper.. heavy but does what is suppose to do

[@greenLB90]

Lmt mars H

[@greasemonkeyviking384]

Love your channel man a little suggestion if I may, a better rear bag setup will help a lot, rifle sinks a lot in the rear on recoil in video and will cause your high fliers, bipods on a bench with ar10’s is a no go, better off prone and load heavy on those pods or shoot a sand bag front rest if on bench, keep that trigger pinned after the shot breaks it helps tremendously with follow through and finger stays in sane position for all the rounds fired in the group. Both those rifles will shoot 1 moa or better with federal gold medal match and the proper technique

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Appreciate the input and you following the channel. But both these rifles will not shoot 1 MOA or better with GMM and proper technique as they won’t do it on a lead sled either. Out of general curiosity, why not off the bench? The bipods are loaded and is easily visible along with pinning the trigger to the rear while shooting the comparison groups, you can even hear trigger reset. I’m all for tips and suggestions but for every tip we receive off the internet there is a contradiction to it three lines down. The bag has worked without flaw in every other video regardless of caliber or rifle but I’m always into better gear. Thanks for the input and watching

[@greasemonkeyviking384]

@@HuntFishShootChannel Just suggestions to try, I’ve had my ass kicked by Ar10’s in the past until I adopted different methods. Frank Gali with snipers hide channel has probably the best vids on KZbin on shooting gas guns accurately. A lead sled will only cause more issues with Ar10’s trust me been there before. Good luck man

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

@greasemonkeyviking384 thanks for our the info! Snipers hide is fantastic 🙌

[@craignelson9584]

I will second greasemonkeyviking. I own a Seekins SP10 and can get .75 moa regularly with FGMM 168 and 175. I shoot prone with the bipod loaded into my shooting mat and my rear bag is fairly firm to get a straight backward recoil. I have a twist rate of 1/11.25 though, AND I found it took 20 rounds before the groups really tightned up when I got it new. But, absolutely, AR10's seem to need a different technique. I know I had to modify my technique and I still pay close attention to how I handle the rifle when firing. These types of rifles aren't very forgiving. Thanks for taking the time to do the video and sharing it! Craig

[@codyc6020]

I've seen a lot of reviews of people shooting far below 1 moa with the Super Sass, but those were with hand loads where the time was spent finding the right load for that gun. I bet you could get both of those rifles below 1 moa with hand loads. Might take some time, but if accuracy is your mission it's really the only way to go. No two rifles will ever shoot the same. If you got two identical Super Sass rifles and shot the same ammo, you'd get two completely different groups. Factory ammo will only ever take you so far. Here's another review of guy shooting many different loads through the PSA SASS and finds a factory load that shoots sub 1 moa with many of others that were shooting similar to this video. Copy and paste title in search bar. "PSA M110-A1 | Solid .308 Accuracy!" Don't be so quick to give up on a gun that isn't grouping the way you like. It took me months to find the right load for my Lapua, 100s of dollars spent in hand loads. Now I have it dialed in at half moa and I absolutely love that rifle. I understand that most people don't have the equipment or know how to reload their own ammo. In that case, just keep trying different boxes of ammo until you find the one that your rifle likes and stick to it. Might get lucky and get one with the first or second box. But it might take far more than that until you find one that works.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

That’s not the same rifle in that video you mentioned, but I do agree, there could be a load out there it shoots well but generally speaking factory match grade ammos will shoot sub Moa in many rifles, but at this point these two rifles do not with the ammos used off and on camera.

[@hopewilliams6705]

Griffin armament ambi lower is cheaper and almost identical to the adm!

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Heard that!

[@bobbytucker6494]

So true

[@user-gh1qf9xs7m]

It’s true, just wish they could get them in stock at some point. Had zero luck getting one

[@Ultrarmx]

ADM stole Griffin ambi controls.

[@hopewilliams6705]

@@Ultrarmx I know... That's why I buy the Griffin armament products and not the overpriced ADM

[@hopewilliams6705]

Great job 👍

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thank you! 🙏

[@bigworm6211b]

Based on your groups, your breathing was not the same with the PSA. The up and down movement adjusts you POA. It looks like you rushed your PSA shots.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

the groups were nearly the same between the two rifles and if only you were stuck combing through the extensive footage from filming the shots you wouldn’t think that but I digress.

[@xi-deadshot-ix5838]

The psa might need to get “broken in”, & the criterion should’ve been good to go though. Maybe the weight or the round wasn’t best for the twist rate? Or maybe it just doesn’t like that particular load. I’ve had Tula 55gr group better than several different boxes of winchester from white box to some hunting loads that were like $2/round when I bought them.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Why does it need broken in? It’s a 416R 5r rifled Faxon barrel, meant to be a match barrel and even then I have shot over 50 rounds through it with no change. But we tried 165, 168, 175grain 175 grain. All weights that would be ideal for the barrel. All match grade. Unfortunately no Luck

[@wymonwatson1309]

I'm suprised neither of the rifles shot better, I built an ultra budget ar10 and even with the right factory ammo it will do moa pretty consistently. With ammo specifically reloaded for it, it can do moa very consistently.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

There’s likely an ammo out there they could shoot well, but we haven’t found it yet

[@thegoodsheperd1189]

Great video

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thank you!

[@DankSandwich]

12mins in and my takeaway thus far is that both rifles need their gas adjusted, a muzzle brake, and possibly some fiddling with buffer weights/springs 15 minutes in and I can say confidently that my Bear Creek Arsenal build is more accurate than both of these. Those groups are pathetic. The BCA is heavier, likely less reliable, and a lot cheaper; but hey I’ll take that win

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

The gas on the PSA could be a touch lower but I tried it and didn’t get lock back on every magazine. The gas on the ADM is fine and weighted perfectly. Outside of not shooting sub MOA the adm is very soft shooting and shoots great like an AR15.

[@Brimwald]

Can someone explain why it's so hard to find sub MOA AR10s?

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Because they have to be built to certain standards that are usually designated to custom or high end manufacturers

[@georgecolee7663]

Try a JP Enterprises compete AR-10 rifle it’s on another level with gold metal match.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

X ring did a review on that and he was less than impressed.

[@GM-eb9lv]

Thanks for no Sugar coating and saying how it is

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

💪

[@Soup-813]

IMO… I’d still get the PSA but I’d swap that barrel out for a Mos Tek

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Roger that

[@SonotCali]

I shoot an 18 inch and I get those groups with 150 grain. I'm yet to try match ammo 168 /175 grain.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

The 168 A-MAX Hornady is accurate in every gun I shoot them in except for these unfortunately. Usually if I shoot a gun with that ammo and it doesn’t shoot well, it’s the gun not ammo.

[@SonotCali]

@@HuntFishShootChannel I'm going to try some match ammo and see what I can do with my aero

[@djtoutdoors3930]

And the price is good

[@armstrong2052]

Sorry to see that. They printed so close that I would label it ammo. PSA wins this one, lwrci or T7 my 308 go to

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

It’s hard to say, certainly still shooting them with similar results but even PSA told us they average 1.2 MOA.

[@armstrong2052]

@@HuntFishShootChannel id imagine none of my guns would either. Hand loading is a must for me as I like shooting accurate with hunting projectiles

[@sharkleroad62]

Whats absolutely wild is they outsource the barrel on the super sass vs the m110 at home and the accuracy suffers. Ive been pulling .75" with 168s federal gold medal match out of the m110 at home off a bipod. Some others have gotten below .5 in a lead sled. Super disappointing if the super SASS was a step backwards.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

I am surprised as well, I have tried that ammo with some luck but nothing near .75

[@micahdunleavy9227]

@@HuntFishShootChannelHe’s lying.. lol He isnt getting .75 with a psa ar10.. if he did it was one group and blind luck..

[@sharkleroad62]

@micahdunleavy9227 lmao okay 🤣 literally join MTS and check out the data on more than just my sample size. Guns open up around 800yd but inside they're sub MOA with match ammo if you are...

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

He’s not lying I have shot PSA rifles that shoot that well, even a jakl. But this one hasn’t been it for me

[@emc4069]

Bummer Dude! Hopefully the ADM will improve as it gets broken in.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

One will hope!

[@revolutionanarchy713]

Where the heck you finding an ADM UIC-10 for $2700, lol???

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Why do you think I own it? 😂 it was 2600 before tax. I saw it, saw the price and thought heck I’ll try it 😂

[@revolutionanarchy713]

@@HuntFishShootChannel well lucky you then. I’ve never seen it that low anywhere. Even with my mil discount in various places.

[@CNR636]

Is that an a1 or a2 for the psa?

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

These are 308 and this is their Super SASS. It’s a DPMS cut receiver

[@revolutionanarchy713]

Now for an actual precision ar10, get ya a Seekins SP10...

[@2k2bcso]

My sabre prefers lighter loads in the 150gr range

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

That’s great!

[@MontanaWild78]

Those are some crappy groups, dang. I am not expert marksman but my 6.5 Criterion does wayyyy better. That is depressing for either one

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

I agree, unfortunately I either don’t have the right ammo, or they just won’t shoot much better. I went out a day after filming this to test both again just to be sure I wasn’t having a bad day and got identical results. There is likely some ammo out there that shoots very well, I haven’t found it

[@MontanaWild78]

@@HuntFishShootChannel It was a good video. I wish you could test with some factory Berger ammo. If they don’t shoot with that then they probably won’t do any better. Black Hills makes some really good ammo too, so many options in 308.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

@MontanaWild78 yeah black hills is next to try. Very surprised the GMM and Hornady didn’t shoot well.

[@MontanaWild78]

@@HuntFishShootChannel I am surprised that the Criterion barrel didn’t do better than it did. I would love to see update videos with different ammo if you find something they like 👍

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

@MontanaWild78 there will be update videos if it happens, follow our instagram @huntfishshootchannel also!

[@elboogy]

Super sass vs sig snakebite

[@nonombre5409]

Putting a fancy pistol grip makes no sense when it isn't used when shooting rifle.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

It’s a more vertical grip, which I prefer. So it makes perfect sense.

[@nathanielboos4182]

Unpopular opinion. If you are going to compare the guns then do exactly that. Use the same bipod, same scope, etc. These results are really null until you do those things to begin with. Additionally, 308 in a gas gun is really a 1MOA gun. Are these guns broken in? What is the round count on the barrels? There are too many holes in these reviews to make an assessment. If you really want to compare, then get a gun from each in 6.5 creed. $3000 AR10's in 6.5 creed are easily half MOA guns with a skilled shooter and good factory loads.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Ok great thanks for the info

[@TheJoebryant]

Maybe next time turn the music down some please

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Ok thanks

[@geoffreybrandt6453]

That bipod would go

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Go where? To the moon?

[@BRTowe]

The scrap heap, that thing was flexing like cooked spaghetti.

[@MichaelAstorino]

Sometimes I just want high end shit. I feel that

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

For sure 😂

[@robgoins3672]

It blows my mind that my ghetto aero precision build for like $800 shoots better than these rifles…..maybe the fact that I hand load plays a bigger role than I thought🤔.

[@chadrowlett893]

Military arms channel shot around 1/2” groups with this weapon. Maybe your just having a bad day

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

You are assuming two rifles are identical and shoot identically when they aren’t custom built.

[@chadrowlett893]

@@HuntFishShootChannel I’m saying some days I can’t miss, some days I can’t hit….. and I was trained by SF to be a designated rifleman and at least 85% of the time shot expert. Now maybe go try again

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

@chadrowlett893 having shot these rifles both today, they still hover at 1 to 1.5” Groups/ MOA. No change. A bad day is a bad day, and you know as a skilled shooter what a bad day feels like, you know what a miss will be before the impact. This wasn’t a “bad day”. That’s all I’m saying.

[@chadrowlett893]

@@HuntFishShootChannel I’ve got the PSA gen 2. Shooting 1.5” with monarch 150 grain @ 100 meters. Go get some of that and try it

[@chadrowlett893]

@@HuntFishShootChannel besides that, you really don’t know till you get out to 400 meters

[@LosDoyerss]

1,600 dollars for the PSA Sabre is a bit pricey when you can buy an Armalite AR10 for 1,200 dollars.

[@ezlife9656]

Nope sabre has way better features

[@LosDoyerss]

@@ezlife9656 Like what? Armalite is a proven weapon.

[@LosDoyerss]

@@ezlife9656 What features??

[@phillhuddleston9445]

Three shots is a gamble, five shots makes a group, for being only three shot groups these are terrible. I don't know how many groups I've had start out with the first three rounds sub half inch some being a quarter inch only to end up one inch plus or minus out of an accurate bolt gun. No I don't expect a semi-auto to perform sub minute of angle every time but for how these are advertised they both should do better. I could out perform these with a semi-auto that is known for not being very accurate though it shoots above average for what it is.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thank you for input! Thanks for watching

[@georgerucker9263]

Maybe its not the gun or ammo maybe its the shooter

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Or it’s not.

[@WhitexhousexCoke]

For 3k you can buy the 6.5 and 308 psa rifles 😂 or the rifle and a nice scope

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Troof

[@capntexas]

It feels like this is a very low-detail video. You shot 4 groups from each gun and decided “aww man, these suck.” There’s so much more to each of these rifles than a basic accuracy check. I also haven’t watched all of your videos, so I don’t know that you are a sub-MOA shooting human. Not saying you aren’t, but there’s plenty of people who THINK they are, and aren’t. ADM makes guns using premium parts that can be taken to war. It did pretty well accuracy-wise, and after some gas-adjusting would probably be a really reliable battle rifle. PSA has long used their customers (including myself, I also buy PSA) to do their QC for them. This rifle is a step in them trying to use nicer components, so it would be nice to see if they actually run. It had some decent groups too. I get that ammo is expensive, and you don’t want to have to spend more money to produce this video than it would generate. It still comes across that you put minimal effort into developing an opinion on either gun, before throwing that opinion out to the world.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Plenty of effort was placed into this and I have a catalog of videos demonstrating my ability to be a sub .50 MOA shooter if not better. Three hours went into just filming this 15 min long video. Each gun was shot more than enough to show if they had the ability to shoot better. The harsh reality is neither gun shot great with any of the match ammos we used, they shot ok at best. There is likely an ammo out there they will shoot well, but I haven’t found it. There is more than just accuracy, in that case, the ADM is a better rifle. Those points were well established. I didn’t say they sucked either, I just said I wasn’t happy with their accuracy performance. Good rifles, not happy with accuracy out of rifles built for accuracy.

[@capntexas]

I get it man. We can’t all be Sage Dynamics throwing 2000 rounds per rifle. Most of my guns haven’t received that in their lifetime that I’ve owned them. I’d prefer more data than four 3-shot groups per gun before I call something a comparison, even if it’s exclusively an accuracy comparison. Glad to know it’s the arrow not the Indian, and that was never an accusation but a caveat that I don’t know your shooting ability.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

@capntexas fair enough and it’s easy to do that many rounds when all your ammo is provide and the content is funded. We are self funded so for now we make do with what we can! Thanks for watching!

[@domnick7886]

I have an M1a that shoots 168gr match 1 moa or less all day long. 1950ies technology. It doesn't have the tac-cool look. So both of those rifles are a disappointment. For the cost vs performance thats horrible. With all the testing and not one type going moa paints, a bad picture for these rifles .

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

That’s awesome to hear for you rifles!

[@C_oprator89]

Seekins

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Shooting these two guns for this review and afterwards left me wanting an SP-10. It’s setting in a cart right now

[@stingers96]

@@HuntFishShootChannel GAP-10

[@stingers96]

also try 168gr Federal GM SMK or the counterstrike

[@C_oprator89]

@@HuntFishShootChannel you the dang man!!

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Thanks!

[@Gunfighter5]

People will die on that PSA hill wont they! You can put together a rifle that can shoot better than this for the price of the sabre!

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

You could

[@user-iz3en5uc4j]

Just got the super sass a week ago and now I’m mad I spent 1700 on something that isn’t sub moa

[@tylerricklefs8151]

Are you sub MOA?

[@Triggertarzan]

Out of an ar10 platform that psa is garbage. I live in Charleston and I can’t stand PSA. Terrible customer service warranty service and products. To take a classic iconic rifle and ruin it by making a junk great value version makes me sick. That adm to shoot that many loads and have those results whooped that psa ass. Shows why adm, knights, bcm and Daniel defense get contracts

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Good to know

[@almostontimehero5415]

*pan flute intensifies*

[@PrayingPanda]

3 round groups are largely useless. 5x5 or 3x10 are standard.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Sure thing 👍

[@PrayingPanda]

@@HuntFishShootChannel one hundred concepts has a very similar video recently posted that goes over it. And there's a pretty detailed ar15com thread that goes over why 5x5 and 3x10 are much more conclusive than 3x3 groups.

[@ChoiceBoard]

first

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

If you aren’t first you are last

[@hopewilliams6705]

​@@HuntFishShootChannel WTF there is second and third.... I was probably high when I said that LoL

[@bryangarcia2429]

That Kung fu grip is disgusting lol, so much i’ll put it up for sale on ebay for $20 if anyone is interested.. was not a fan

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

I enjoy it! The beauty is there are 4 billion other options out there

[@bryangarcia2429]

@@HuntFishShootChannel indeed! Ergo grip 4 life

[@deusvult6632]

At the end of the day it looks more like the shooter rather than the guns. Some dogs just don't hunt.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

I have catalog of me repeatedly squeezing accuracy out of guns on this channel and I don’t need to prove my ability to shoot guns accurately. So with that being said, it’s the guns not the shooter.

[@micahdunleavy9227]

Well if you watch focus trips recent video on the jakl then it seems one should stay the hell away from psa’s more premium guns… They build budget guns with poor quality control, so the Sabre is just crap quality control just shinier and prettier still a lot of guns all over the internet failing miserably..

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

My gun is very well done and looks great, just only appears to be capable of 1 MOA accuracy. I haven’t seen any of the standard QC issues

[@dudebro29]

PSA=junk

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

😭

[@cocobearnoski]

This dude can’t shoot

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

Ok 👍

[@raymondeldridge6315]

I think maybe revisit with light grain bullet 150, 125 ,135

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

If it shoots better with those lightweight bullets I’ll be surprised

[@METALLIFY16]

Both rifles are trash apparently lol. That ADM should have much tighter groups. The PSA did better than I thought it would though. But for all the precision shit you have on those plus the bag, thought those groups would be tighter. Practice more I guess.

[@HuntFishShootChannel]

lol sure 👍