Buffy Star David Boreanaz Speaks Out Amid Joss Whedon Allegations

[@retrogameslover2023]

What an absolutely ridiculous claim from Joss Whedon to call Charisma fat, while she was pregnant. Joss isn't exactly the poster boy for an underwear model!! Charisma is right to speak out about this, good on her!!

[@The_Gallowglass]

Assuming that even happened. We only know what people are saying.

[@brendancampbell57]

@@The_Gallowglass My guess is he was probably trying to say it as a joke. I've seen ppl make fat jokes to pregnant people, both in real life and on tv shows, and they are meant to be harmless and funny. But given that he was actually frustrated about the pregnancy forcing then to re-write the show, and CC knew this, to her she probably felt it was more malicious and not funny.

[@The_Gallowglass]

@@brendancampbell57 I wasn't there so who knows.

[@esecallum]

STUPID TO GET PREGNANT WHEN FILMING A MAJOR TV SHOW. CANT KEEP HER LEGS CLOSED AND BLAMES POOR JOSS WHEDON. IDIOT.

[@anti-rioter-15]

Joss has liberal Hollywood privilege.

[@LloydSkyLion]

I had such an "Aha!" moment when I first heard the news. For years, I've been a BtVS and Angel's fan and being how crucial was Cordelia to Angel's plot, I'd always wondered why they ruined her story line and then let her go after that infamous 4th season. It turns out she was fired for being pregnant which makes me so, so mad.

[@jsan3743]

Yes!!! Exactly. The writing for her character took such a bizarre, jarring and upsetting left turn. Ive always known that there must have been more to the story. I will always love these shows. I find this all incredibly sad and dissapointing.

[@Vampwars]

Yeah, that storyline did suck but I feel they made it up to her with her final season 5 appearance. Also, season 5 was the best season of “Angel” for me. I loved every episode ❤️

[@CATTYNESS1]

Sane here, I loved her character

[@DarkWandererAU]

If you actually look into the issue rather than gulping down any bullshit that is spoon fed to you, you'd know that Carpenter kept her pregnancy a secret from Joss and the network and they had already written season 4. But then Carpenter told them about her pregnancy way later, which FORCED them to completely re-write season 4 so that her character being pregnant would make sense. Which is why they had to write it so that Connor and Cordelia slept together which was such a poor writing decision, but their hands were tied. If she had told them about her pregnancy earlier, maybe season 4 wouldn't have been the dumpster fire that it was

[@LloydSkyLion]

@@DarkWandererAU maybe she was afraid of losing her job. Many shows deal with pregnant actors, there was something shady going around. But you're right, season 4 was a dumpster fire with that Connor and Cordelia scene being the worst part. I wonder what was their original idea for that season.

[@taetae7996]

When Cordy slept with Angel’s son, Conner and birthed his demon seed in season 4?? That to me was Joss Whedon trashing the character of Cordelia Chase big time, and totally unexpected.😔

[@annepurkeycaulfield1555]

Seriously. He promised that he wouldn't kill Cordelia when Charisma came back. Yet he trashed the progress of Cordelia's character, trashed the sacrifices Cordelia made and killed her character - because she had the audacity to get pregnant.

[@michelled.4874]

"When Cordy slept with Angel’s son, Conner and birthed his demon seed in season 4?? That to me was Joss Whedon trashing the character of Cordelia Chase big time, and totally unexpected.😔" You're a moron and you need to get your facts straight. Cordy didn't do any of those things. Cordelia was not herself and she was POSSESED AND CONTROLLED by Jasmine. Jasmine used Cordelia's body to do those things; sleeping with Connor so she could give birth to herself and create a physical, material body for herself. So Cordy didn't do any of this, she was innocent and she was used as a HOST by Jasmine, Cordy never asked to be posessed and didn't even know that some Power That Be gone rogue was around let alone using her body to try and take over the world. Get your facts straight before you make stupid false claims and make a complete fool of yourself in public. The Internet is forever you know.

[@taetae7996]

@@michelled.4874 take a 💊 bro, what are you, a Whedon fan boy?

[@robertrios1732]

Lmaoooo it was good TV. Stop

[@omnimercurial5169]

It was bad.... Not as bad as David Peckinpah did to Sabrina Lloyd on Sliders though.... That asshole doomed the Character Wade to imprisonment in a Rape Camp

[@captainfuture5984]

I remember I was heart broken when they discontinued Angel. It was such a great show.

[@lamelwinston5638]

loved it.

[@32mybelle]

That was really Joss Whedon's fault too. He gave the network an ultimatum.

[@aerynstormcrow]

Both shows were. My son is named Xander because of it.

[@lamelwinston5638]

@@aerynstormcrow lol dope.

[@mobprincessxoxo5758]

I BAWLED my eyes out when angel ended!!!

[@GeminieCricket]

Sounds like a director of the 20’s and 30’s and 40’s and 50’s and 60’s and 70’s and 80’s and 90’s and 00’s and 10’s and 20’s era.

[@Woozlewuzzleable]

Those were good times.

[@fineblanket]

@@Woozlewuzzleable hope someone broke the mold you came from.

[@jackross956]

Sad but True........

[@BloodofEli]

@@fineblanket go dye your hair purple

[@LexiSexi01]

Sooooo... every era basically

[@preatureloder8226]

Maybe, this is why Gellar never wanted to return to the character.

[@lonestargazer9255]

She wanted to do movies, but had become known for being difficult to work with, diva issues, so, that was the end of that

[@DarkWandererAU]

@@lonestargazer9255 Indeed, Carpenter is known for being difficult to work with as well, which is why I think there is more to this issue. But she is trying to turn it into a metoo issue, which will give Whedon almost no chance to defend himself

[@sveinsvein4372]

My thoughts exactly.

[@missjane7200]

Carpenter’s name was dragged through the mud by WHEDON. Long after Angel was over, when Carpenter was up for a part, Whedon would reach out and say not to hire her. He tried to rank her career. Also, CC told the same story a decade before “MeToo.” Let’s not victim shame here, the only reason why it’s getting reported now is because of MeToo but I remember her saying the same about Whedon years ago. There have been times when people have tried to ruin careers claiming “MeToo” type accusations, (ahem Johnny Depp’s crazy ex) but not in this case. Fire crotch Whedon is a monster.

[@quizzabella]

@@DarkWandererAU Oh Whedon was given every opportunity and huge budgets when it came to film making. He's done nothing to defend himself, the women (and men) criticizing him have nothing to gain here. I like Whedon's work but that doesn't mean he's a good human being. ( I don't see how Carpenter being bullied because she was pregnant is a me too thing, it's really that, straight up bullying. Given the fact that her co-stars both male and female are backing her up then sad as I have to say it FU Joss).

[@rockermystic]

It was a well-circulated rumor at the time that Charisma Carpenter's exit from Angel was because of Joss Whedon, and his terrible treatment of both CC and the character of Cordelia. Until season 3, CC had a protector in David Greenwalt, but he also exited the show following rumors of major behind-the-scenes disagreements with JW. This isn't some cancel-culture grievance that people have decided to bring up because they aren't happy with JW. This is a long-standing pattern of bullying and intimidation from a showrunner and director; and the people he has worked with who have stayed silent due to fear of losing their livelyhoods. Again, for the JW fanboys - these accusations have been rumors for a long time. It's only now that victims feel comfortable enough to come forward and confirm them.

[@sema6008]

Exactly. I remember this so well from the discussion boards back then.

[@sema6008]

@Skye.325 remember that food poisoning episode and the director character trashed Cordy and looked her up and down while saying it? That part always bothered me. One of many...once David Greenwalt left, she was left at Whedon’s mercy. Made me so angry back then and even now.

[@davelind8854]

is it just bullying actors ? is that all there is to it , cause i feel this underlining innuendo of something far worse , you seem to have follwed it , is there more to it ?

[@dragonturner1119]

God dammit. Why can't anyone be decent????

[@stevewik2280]

Right? This really is the worst timeline.

[@DarkWandererAU]

You don't know the full story. So if you are going to invent a "doom n gloom" story in your head about the issue, then your poor outlook on the world is on you. Charisma Carpenter is known for being difficult to work with, so if you think she is the innocent victim you'd be wrong

[@leejay1936]

@@DarkWandererAU you know her personally do you? Tragic stan triggered because the Whedon is trash.

[@PeterBerisha]

When you give a celebrity too much money and too much power, they end up abusing the people around them! There's a saying "If you treat them like a celebrity, they'll treat you like a fan" and that goes for co-stars too..if you allow your director too much power over you, they'll use you like a toy!

[@michaelvedal1907]

@@PeterBerisha You are forgetting that this started with Justice League, not Buffy or Angel. And that was men calling him out, not women like Charisma Carpenter. That came way later (almost a year actually). But sure, blame the actors. Much easier.

[@sailorx7563]

Wow, I feel like I can't even watch t.v. shows and movies anymore. Everything is so toxic behind the scenes, damn.

[@lamar7of9]

Don't feel that way... no different than any other job in American. Only with famous people.

[@Bruced82]

It's not just entertainment, it's everywhere, although media does have a lot of high profile people.

[@kindle9920]

I understand the feeling, but if we only enjoyed things that were created by entirely pure individuals then...we’d have nothing. Whedon is trash, but the other people who worked on his shows deserve to have their talents recognized, I think.

[@Hoganply]

It's the new Red Scare, only it actually has a seed of truth.

[@photonboy999]

@@Hoganply , Maybe not the best example when there was also some truth to Russia's infiltration of the USA.

[@latoyawinfield8674]

I'm still in shock over this as a fan of both Buffy and Angel. Charisma certainly didn't deserve the way she was treated. Luckily, her son is Ok. David and James are good men for showing their support.

[@flyingdutch9818]

This is just sad. I feel for the women affected by these actions and it kills me to think it happened on a show I and my daughters love/d.

[@HaleyMary]

I feel sad for the women who were abused by this guy. It was a show I loved since I was ten and it sickens me that so much abuse was going on behind the scenes.

[@lachgwaloth]

@@HaleyMary The way Whedon’s alleged behavior is conflated with abuse is actually disrespectful and diminishing towards real victims of abuse.

[@HaleyMary]

@@lachgwaloth I find your comment disrespectful because I have been a victim of attempted coercion and sexual bullying and I suffer from ptsd and don't trust men because of those experiences. Don't dismiss women's abusive experiences just because it isn't sexual assault. All abuse is uncalled for in any circumstance.

[@MichaelHolmgaard]

@@HaleyMary Calling people fat isn't abuse. People are diminishing that word by throwing it everywhere these days

[@ElenaChoco060]

I recently watched an interview w/James Marsters & Michael Rosenbaum (Lex Luther of Smallville), and James openly stated that Joss hated him. He even cornered him & told him this to his face. He hated that the fans loved Spike & demanded his continuity on the show. Joss expressed that he didn't want a romance between vampires & humans - he hadn't wanted vampires glorified. James expressed that every day on set, he was basically terrified of how Joss would act towards him. So I def know that what James said towards Charisma is legit & genuine.

[@pp-vf8ls]

its irony that Whedon always favor Spike for Angel

[@stevemyopinion423]

no he did not, he said one time joss yell at him, stop making shit up, he never said he was terrified.

[@maddoxmortenson8009]

I think James actually said that he told Joss it was his football and he can do whatever he wants with it. James claimed that he came from a production background himself so naturally he sided with production. He said if he was in Joss' shoes he would have just killed Spike.

[@carpediemearth]

@@maddoxmortenson8009 You're decontexualizing James's comment. James said to Whedon "it's your football" about Spike, in response to Whedon pinging him against the wall and threatening him because he disliked James'/Spike's popularity. James said that he understood why Whedon disliked the popularity of Spike early on and and he also would've agreed to kill off Spike in the beginning. James said Whedon was frustrated he couldn't kill off Spike so he took it out on him.

[@maddoxmortenson8009]

@@carpediemearth If people want to know the context they can look it up. This video was making it seem like James was speaking out against Joss but he was practically defending him. That was my point.

[@kaleidoscopeeyes1184]

The Whedonverse is crumbling and it hurts my heart.

[@DarkWandererAU]

It doesn't even need a conviction or any substantial charges to crumble either...just the accusation.

[@egoranonymous3223]

This helped me: The main plot points of Buffy is the same as Firefly is the same as Agents of shield is the same as every other JW original script that I'm aware of. It's always a very attractive innocent person, usually a woman, Buffy, Daisy/Sky, Kaylee with an older male father figure and a group of friends who don't fit in. That's it. The writers wrote the script, producers produced the show and the actors brought the characters to life, which is even more impressive now that we know what they went through. The smallest part of the whedonverse was whedon. So, I can still love the shows for the stellar acting and writing. Hope that helps😊

[@kaleidoscopeeyes1184]

@@egoranonymous3223 that does help. Thank you :)

[@egoranonymous3223]

Sorry, I meant River, not Kaylee

[@vanyadolly]

I'm glad it's finally happening. None of this crap is new, people have just been ignoring it for years because they like buffy and firefly

[@SterlingSilverRose]

This gives you an idea of what Whedon said to Gal Gadot, who was pregnant with her second child, during the Justice League reshoots. Joss Whedon, and his like, did this to themselves. Karma sees all and has no deadline.

[@carlosalegria4776]

Sad that he's made millions upon millions of dollars though.

[@markolumovic2750]

Seeing what he did to Cordelia as a character in season 4 it is obvious there was bullying in real life too.Boreanez should visit him as Angelus.

[@DarkWandererAU]

Are you under the impression that Joss did that to her character for no reason other than he is "evil"?

[@markolumovic2750]

@@DarkWandererAU He could just kill off Cordelia if he didn't like actress not destroy her character anyway why are you defending that fat asshole?

[@wolfdaddy5215]

@@markolumovic2750 Definitely agree with ya. I also saw under another pistol talking how she kept the pregnancy quiet. But no other actor has backed that up and from few extras I know who did few episodes said carpenter talked about her pregnancy cause she was excited. So I call bull on he n the network didn't know.

[@lachgwaloth]

@@markolumovic2750 Whoa, careful there, you might be commiting abuse right now by calling him fat and an asshole! ...If you apply the same standards you apply to Charisma Carpenter of course. But that’s ok, it’s apparent that you’re a hypocrite with such extreme anger issues as to wish for someone’s brutal death.

[@markolumovic2750]

@@lachgwaloth I will forgive you this time for all those insults and NO I never wanted death on Wheadon you must be high still in real life I would not be so forgiving.

[@Fl0k5ser]

I wanna hear from the Avengers actors on Joss Whedon's allegations

[@deonteosayande8420]

I do too but silence is an answer for now I guess

[@alexkobs9313]

Yes. I would be very interested to hear what they have to say about him.

[@Shackleoneil]

same

[@Golden-Monarch-One]

More accurately Avengers: Age of Ultron since that movie divided Josh Whendon, which in turn got Whedon replaced with the Russo Brothers.

[@Finn643]

Movie actors and TV actors are never a whole team. You should give enough reasons that why Avengers actors must be support for those obsolete actors. For Woody Allen, Scarlett Johansson did not kick a man when he’s down.

[@kenrickbautista6141]

David Boreanaz really is an Angel after all.

[@jessicaeasterlyfriel5699]

This has definitely increased my respect for him. I didn't really expect him to say anything, but I'm pleasantly surprised that he's being supportive of her.

[@kenrickbautista6141]

@@jessicaeasterlyfriel5699 yeah I know.

[@lachgwaloth]

David Boreanaz was sued for sexual harassment by a fellow Bones actress, exposed himself on the sets of Buffy and Angel with the intent to shock people and is a serial cheater... Yeah... but oh, right, he’s such an angel! Maybe you should look into a person’s background before you praise them on the internet.

[@kenrickbautista6141]

@@lachgwaloth okay

[@marissafeola6070]

You know David Boreanaz has been sued for sexual harassment multiple times right?

[@AnneAndersonFoxiepaws]

I love how all of them are getting behind this. Its horrific that CC had to go through this and the others hurt by this monsters behaviour. He needs to be stopped and not be put in a position to behave inappropriately with anyone else. These companies should be accountable for this kind of thing.

[@LeftTownMedia]

I read that Charisma carpenter signed a contract, agreeing to not get pregnant during season 4 of angel, but then she did get pregnant, therefore, breaking her contract, This is apparently why Joss whedon was angry with her.

[@treycapps794]

Crazy to think what people go through even just to make a tv show!

[@christie7628]

It's a real shame. It made me really switch off from Angel at that point. I always put it down to the Connor storyline ruining Cordelia's arc, but to know it was because of this, make me frustrated. Cordelia had been such an amazing character and she was integral to my enjoyment of the show. Joss ruined that and now I can only watch the first few seasons of Angel and have to pretend the later seasons don't exist. There are so many things Whedon was seeming to do by creating Buffy. Female empowerment, equality etc. It's a shame it was left on the screen and not enacted in real life as well. He could have been a forerunner in a much more meaningful way, in reality instead of the illusion of it. Sad.

[@binkyfaith]

Yep joss ruined my ship😒

[@heathercrates4139]

Charisma Carpenter and James Marsters worked on Supernatural together. James thought she was a bitch in reality she was having a hard time working with Whedon. He said she was sweet working with her on Supernatural. Making who you surround yourself with creates the environment. I love Charisma and the characters she has played. With Angel we can blame Joss for the show ending, because what he did to Cordelia's character and his negative crap. You can either build up a character, and show or destroy it he did just that. Which is also probably why Buffy ended when it did, because Sarah/Buffy wanted babies. She was done with her contract at 7 years, and said she was done

[@jenniekelly571]

He said Charisma looked fat??!! Has this guy looked in the mirror lately??

[@marcoparada6652]

Well..... ....wweelll....

[@unclecreed2986]

Well she is an actor.

[@MrTruehoustonian]

He's tries not to

[@DarkWandererAU]

He said that because she was pregnant and he didn't know because she kept it a secret, which torched the 4th season of the show

[@deertee1]

@@DarkWandererAU is that why he asked her if she was going to keep the baby?

[@Samtzu]

Power corrupts.... absolute power corrupts absolutely.....

[@alanmoss3603]

Describing pigs who want to be human - Whedon to a tee!

[@phillip_lee_atkinson]

I find it interesting how Hollywood likes to pick and choose who they want to cancel. I believe...with great certainty...that Joss Whedon is not the only a**hole bully director in Hollywood.

[@megatamerernie513]

Ild argue that there are much worse that they just cover up.

[@greetonsmith6350]

I'm sure every single director acts that way honestly. I know every CEO I've ever worked with does.

[@Dillonmac96]

Teach kids to be stronger than this man... this is not gonna end well in the future I’m going to look like a grumpy asshole when I’m completely in reality and they are in snowflake space

[@Nepthu]

Don't forget Bryan Singer has been accused of worse.

[@Miluielle]

I find it interesting that Hollywood is on a kick at the moment to lecture the rest of us about all these social issues and yet it is very obvious that they are the ones who evidently need to clean house the MOST.

[@claytondunn5630]

Idk if that’s why he won’t do any buffy or angel stuff anymore in the future but it makes sense if it was why I’m so sorry David and all the buffy cast

[@elliottpierce9823]

Buffy Star? He had his own show in that universe, and many people who watched it argue it's just as good as Buffy.

[@victorgaetefigueroa4921]

Without Buffy there's no Angel that's why he always will be a former Buffy star... Which is not wrong at all 🙂

[@carlosalegria4776]

I would say better. I seldom rewatch buffy, but have rewatched Angel at least 4 times in the past two years.

[@binkyfaith]

Better😒

[@binkyfaith]

@@carlosalegria4776 facts

[@paulaburrows8660]

Things like this always make you question the stuff you used to enjoy. Not only is current media a mess with all kinds of politics the stuff we used to enjoy is riddled with scandal. Just can't have anything nice anymore.

[@leos6518]

So right

[@lsporter88]

Wow. I guess everything comes out eventually. Didn't know it was that bad. Great video.

[@classicmiriam]

126 pounds. I would call that small. I am not overweight and I’m much bigger than that.

[@zwinmar21]

yeah, i really didnt realize how tiny she was....this from a guy who even when I was in excellent shape I was still 200lbs.

[@WesaTwoRivers]

And she is fairly tall so that’s pretty small.

[@rasheedqe]

Damn I wanna know what he did where he couldn't be left alone in a room with Michelle?

[@DummyAccount]

Probably be a creep

[@therocklau]

You might be thinking too much, she was a minor during the show and that's enough for others to be protective, protect our little sister kind of thing.

[@jaxr2958]

Just smart maybe, there's a reason a lot of employer/employee meetings have someone else in the room and it's usually to protect the employer against accusations.

[@deertee1]

She inferred something happened to make sure she was never alone again. Don't make excuses for bad behavior.

[@jaxr2958]

@@deertee1 Yes but also no actual information as to whether it was something Joss did or Michelle or both. Unless someone can actually come up with something tangible, this is all just politics, narcissism and personality clashes which is often very difficult to establish who is actually causing it. I've sometimes found it's the person who seems least involved.

[@ToneeRhianRose]

Yeah there's a lot of directors that are a-holes! Stanley Kubrick for example. The way he treated Shelley Duvall was abhorrent & I fully believe it's the main reason she's lost her mind.

[@seanp8220]

He was still a genius

[@sugarpoultry]

It breaks my heart that a show that was so influential to me growing up had such trauma. :(

[@nebularain3338]

Buffy was more than just Joss Whedon. He didn't write or direct the majority of the episodes, so there was a lot of that show's goodness which came from other people besides him. He might have created it, but others carried it, so there's still much to enjoy guilt free.

[@cordeliachase601]

@@nebularain3338 True. Marti Noxon held that show up a lot and Jane Espenson for example, among others. Plus writers and directors who would come in and out. Some of the writers and directors (who are not Joss) went on to work on Supernatural, too.

[@8Smoker8]

@@nebularain3338 Whedon's episodes were still among the bests like it or not.

[@jinxheadjo9855]

The name I grew up in the 90s (shows) had some really bad rap. Such a shame. Great talent but.. really such waste to hear all these allegations.

[@dougcoombes8497]

When I watch a Whedon production now I really understand how he can craft such realistic villains.

[@olgud.manega]

and great strong female characters, and great sexual diverse witches, and afroamerican action guys... Yes, he is great.

[@domb.1522]

@@olgud.manega yeah, i'm sure all that greatness gives some fat jackass the power to make a person's life miserable just cause he wants to. 😒

[@seanp8220]

Geniuses aren't necessarily nice people

[@dougcoombes8497]

@@seanp8220 True. Intelligence and empathy aren't the same thing.

[@BrOoKlYn-sq2bi]

When i think the cast couldn’t get better, i love you david!!!

[@letzsnuggzz]

Joss Whedon knows better to respond to the allegations. He stays silent, let's these allegations blow over and allows time to pass for people to forget. He did the same thing when his ex-wife talked came out and said he was pretending to be a feminist, but was very mentally abusive. Time passed and people started hiring him again. He's strategic. I hope these revelations and Synder Cut are the nails in his career.

[@allis143]

"Joss Whedon still hasn't spoken out about these allegations." This was 8 months ago. Has he said anything since?

[@wayfarerwayfarer7749]

I knew someone who had dealings with a lot of the cast of Buffy.He told me some of younger actors didn’t like each because they were in competition with each and the older actors weren’t seen as a threat so they didn’t have problems with them.Makes me wonder now whether that was related to the atmosphere that Joss Whedon created there,that they had to worry about their jobs if another actor was higher on Joss’ like list

[@solidgaming1103]

I'm just saying if she had such a hard time with that man. Why did she work with him on Buffy AND Angel? It confuses me.

[@Pattycake1974]

Lots of people work for someone they don’t respect. It pays the bills.

[@txmoney]

I’m saddened and disheartened to read and hear such allegations. Joss Whedon is an enormous talent and I’d hate to loose such talent from future projects. Hopefully, he will come to terms with such behavior and issue sincere apologies to those involved. In contrast, directors such as Friedkin, Kubrick, and Cameron that have historically been open about their tempers and treatment of cast and crew have escaped such situations.

[@madams3478]

I love this general idea! 😊 🏄🏻‍♀️ Just tell people, hey, I have a temper. If I say something in the heat of the moment, please don’t pay a lot of attention to it, because I won’t. Also makes it less likely that you do it. Acting is already exhausting enough because of all the retakes - which for the scenes you expect to be the highpoints I believe is an absolute necessity. And Bill Friedkin of old school fame, right?, as in “The French Connection,” “To Live and Die in L.A.,” etc.

[@HoldenNY22]

@@madams3478 I think The Exoercist is probably his Most Famous Film.

[@HoldenNY22]

It does seem a little unair that they are picking on Joss Wheldeon for his bad Behavoir, burt these other Directors were never criticized for their Actions. I remember William Friedkin did an interview in which be basically Praised the Ku Klux Klan. I thought that was incredible nothing was ever said about that.

[@token1371]

Perhaps David can get Charisma on Seal Team 6.

[@lachgwaloth]

That would be a very nice quid pro quo! She’s not gonna “rat” on him and expose his sexual harassment lawsuit and otherwise reckless behavior and he’s going to save her dying career by getting her on his show!

[@DarkWandererAU]

@@lachgwaloth 😂😂😂 underrated comment

[@bernardsoul5186]

@@lachgwaloth David has a sexual assault lawsuit?

[@almac9203]

@@bernardsoul5186 I think everyone has a complaint against them nowadays. You only have to look at someone the wrong way and you are some sort of monster. It is a witch hunt. There are some legitimate concerns but there are a lot of minor issues being blown out of proportion. It's all very sad.

[@kyfarm]

@@almac9203 Well, it's not all 'looking at someone wrong', David B is not exactly a paragon of virtue.

[@LovelyHaunting]

Very well spoken statements and a good effort towards the right direction. I just hope it’s not just for show and is truly sincere and to see better in the future. Hollywood survivors need to speak up and not compromise themselves for a hidden agenda or to please their superiors.

[@AfroGaz71]

Yeah, those poor Hollywood celebs.😂

[@Manx36]

It’s weird that none of the other actors that have replied have said that they actually knew there was a problem except Michelle but this does explain why Sarah won’t even consider doing anything for Buffy. I’d be interested to hear Anthony Head’s response. As far as Fisher is concerned, he’s the only person from the entire cast of Justice League that’s been complaining and he did more damage to himself than anything else. He’s got zero movies under his belt and I doubt anyone will hire him now

[@thomashong2938]

Anthony Head is saying that he didn’t have a clue that all this was going on. He’s shocked because he always thought that Buffy was an empowering show and that there was a family atmosphere working there. He didn’t know about the stuff with Charisma because she had moved over to Angel and by that time, he was long gone from Buffy. But he is disturbed by allegations from Michelle and others about stuff happening on the Buffy set. He always saw himself as a father figure to the rest of the cast and he wishes that they had told him about all this. He says that there are always high and lows on every set. His response is on video. Go to the KZbin channel This Morning. There’s a video there called Anthony Head Reveals Pandemic Similarities with Dark-Comedy Show School’s Out Forever. (Or just type in the name of the video.) The interviewer asks Anthony about the Whedon controversy at the 3:51 mark of the 7:10 video.

[@TheVladMan.]

- Joss Whedon: *laughing in the background* - Zack Snyder: “Still think it was a good idea bringing him along?” - Warner Brothers: “What do you think?”

[@Gunngirl]

Now I know why Cordelia just disappeared after that season. I hated that season with her turning evil and being with Connor, so it was a just a way to get rid of her. I’m sure that was so distressing because women already be nervous about getting pregnant during a shows run and not knowing what might happen to their character. To ask her if she was gonna keep her baby. Like what? 😧 I remember Buffy ending abruptly too because Sarah didn’t want to do another season and even Alyson being surprised, and I thought they were pretty friendly off screen. I don’t know if it was Joss or her just over the show or what. But she definitely is enjoying being a mom so I guess that’s what she was ready to do.

[@Tom_H327]

I wonder if the Firefly cast experienced anything negative. Probably not seeing as the show was cancelled in the middle of the first season.

[@claytonmorgan1843]

Maybe that was the reason it was cancelled after 14 episodes.

[@ashleesmall6458]

Nah it was cancelled due to ratings. The network it was on aired it out of order and at a weird time so it never truly got a good following.

[@claytonmorgan1843]

@@ashleesmall6458 yeah I but maybe it didn't get put back on the air because of Joss's behavior on set. Look I'm not trying to argue Joss is a talented man. I've watched everything he's had a hard in, and believe me he did not disappoint. But we can't really ignore all these people coming out against him.

[@almac9203]

@@claytonmorgan1843 I saw the cast of Firefly at Comicon and they were very enthusiastic in their praise of Joss Whedon. This was a whole decade after the show finished. I don't think he is the monster he is being painted out to be. The cast thanked him for the opportunities he provided them. I doubt he was mean to everyone otherwise people would have exposed him earlier.

[@claytonmorgan1843]

@@almac9203 I hope you're right. Because I love his stuff.

[@musicanywhere4710]

I would give these allegations a lot more credibility if hadn’t started with Ray Fisher accusing Whedon and making claims which he never backed up with any evidence or details.The studio complained that during the investigation Ray Fisher was non cooperative and Charisma Carpenter’s own letter admits that it was Ray Fisher who approached her to convince her to come out against Whedon, eventually resulting in a revamped version of the complaint she made 20 years ago.Ray Fisher has everything to gain since his role was cut down in the original JL and it’s in his interest to use this narrative to promote the Snyder cut, which wouldn’t you know, he now has a bigger role in.

[@chineeboy18]

I'm just amazed when Ray (JL) first brought up this topic and the abuse on set from the director. I'm sure there was an effort to make Ray look like the trouble maker on set. Look at it now. As soon as Charisma from the set of Buffy speaks up about the same thing, surpport comes pouring in. Incredible isn't it? I'm glad she did though. I'm just amazed at how different the response both these actors got complaining about the same thing. People are now speaking up and backing up Ray's claims.

[@maximusprime3459]

Thats a stand up thing for David to do. Otherwise I've heard he's kind of a jerk in real life.

[@cvdixon29]

That's horrible. I hope they hold him accountable for his behavior.

[@sarahbowman7566]

I don't condone any alleged abusive behavior but can we all acknowledge that this problem is systemic in our current culture... Many experience the same or similar from both male and female bosses etc, as well as society in general... Much respect to Charisma Carpenter for speaking out but she is truly only the tip of the iceberg.

[@Taeallday802]

I just hate when people wait 20 years to say something.

[@ScribblebytesWorldwide]

Sarah handled it perfectly.

[@deegeorge5711]

He’s a classic example of a bullied child/teenager growing up to become the bully and abuser. Look at him. Of course he was bullied. Probably ignored by beautiful girls like Charisma AND still attracted to pre-teen girls like Michelle because he’s got arrested development. He needs to be canceled

[@orgasmatronrickpsych]

she was 15 when she started the show hardly a pre teen ffs

[@deegeorge5711]

@@orgasmatronrickpsych EVEN at 15 she was UNDER AGED. SMDH!

[@CATTYNESS1]

They did dump her when she put a bit of weight on. They should have kept her, she was a loss to the show. I suppose this explains it though

[@Nepthu]

I love Charisma but noticed that she looked overly bloated in her final episodes. Personally, I thought the Angel show was pretty bland compared to Buffy. Cordi wasn't being well utilized in the story anyway.

[@susanmim9222]

@@Nepthu She looked that way because she was pregnant. still not a reason to fire her, and I agree with you that she wasn't being well utilized in season 4, that was such a terrible storyline that ruined the character and the show.

[@metalheadblues]

Buffy cast was 🔥

[@petabulmer7345]

You forgot to mention Amber Benson's statement supporting Charisma. I can't believe this is all happening!

[@almac9203]

A lot of these people are supporting her but they haven't publicly said they witnessed any of this. That is a subtle distinction. Also some of the complaints seem on the lesser side of magnitude. He called her fat and joked about firing her is a jerk move but is that it? He had plans for her character and was annoyed that her pregnancy got in the way of the show. He is obviously a bit of a jerk but none of the accusations seem that serious.

[@gloriadodds7102]

the "supporters" are very careful how they worded their responses so as not to actually reveal what they may have witnessed.

[@kyfarm]

I have noticed this too. They are extremely careful with their words.

[@riotoews7853]

How come this is happening now? Why haven't they spoken about it earlier??

[@DjBoggLEMaN]

To think back in 2016 Joss Whedon was considered to no wrong yo Geekdom now thanks to Ray Fisher even cast members from a show that was canceled almost 20 years ago is speaking up! Good job to everyone speaking up it is never too late..

[@felipelovecraft1767]

Joss Whedon has no soul, what can you expect.

[@seanp8220]

He obviously does to write the series in the first place

[@matthewdelrossi8058]

They said nothing while they were working for him.

[@michaelking9818]

Glad that it’s being brought up years later when they think they got away with it ,you can see the damage he’s done to these women he’s fair game now

[@rhiannoncarney4423]

Joss seems like a former nerd who now revels in the fact that the popular kids now have to vie for his attention and is taking that a bit TOO FAR!

[@thomashong2938]

You mean, like Harvey Weinstein.

[@jennyraine8465]

I just said pretty much the same thing to my husband just now. :)

[@Jacksabbath44]

now, but back then it sounds like really awkward and trying too hard to be "the boss"

[@Liusila]

I can just imagine how that kind of culture could start by a perfectionist who thinks they need to throw everyone under the bus in order to just get the product made as they imagine. The work might be sound and get clout, but the people sacrificed will never get their justice. I’m glad they’re speaking up, and I hope Whedon and those like him can learn that humans are still more important than even the most amazing movie or show out there.

[@aguynamednathan]

Still no one has said that he did anything specific. He was simply a boss who had to deal with major stress. And you know what? Some of the best T.V. was produced as a result. Shame on the fan base for jumping straight to cancel culture.

[@dianapeterson3404]

Very proud of these men, real men for standing by their fellow actors.

[@mk_jsph]

So what about on the set of the Avengers?🤔

[@jonestly943]

Actors were too powerful to be bullied 🤷‍♂️

[@FrankieYLosMatadoresOficial]

@@jonestly943 true

[@sbam4881]

Can't really bully if he's not the top dog on the set and at that time Feige, Downey and L.Jackson were definitely bigger shots than him. Johansson was A list and the rest were (at the time) rapidly ascending. The only people as low on the Hollywood totem pole as Ray Fisher was were probably only Clark Gregg and the actress who played Maria Hill.

[@fulcrum6760]

@@sbam4881 But even then, the cast would still have power over him.

[@cjhepburn7406]

He told Scarlet/Black Widow she gotta go...in movie 4...

[@ek5273]

Just another story about a male feminist

[@greetonsmith6350]

lol aka an oxymoron

[@kkibela]

I am not sure i even learned anything..

[@arvinjay336]

more like a fake male feminist lol Bryce Dallas Howard is probably laughing right now

[@Nepthu]

Don't qualify it. Feminists are hypocrites.

[@amybaker3551]

@@Nepthu Feminist is an umbrella term, not a blanket judgement. While some feminists can be hypocritical, so can anyone in any other group, such as those who lump all feminists into the same mindset, while decrying hypocrisy.

[@DericJackman]

I won’t discredit anyone’s perspective, but I’m totally done with “cancel culture.”

[@metalheadblues]

It ain't going anywhere

[@jokester3076]

It’s cancel culture only when the twitter mob does it

[@kalebphillips9281]

It's called accountability for your actions.

[@greetonsmith6350]

We literally all have something we could be cancelled for and the minute the world wake up to that reality and stops being so self-righteous, we can actually expect change

[@tonylawlor8833]

Didn't get to him so much that he quit now, did it.

[@lifewithlulu4056]

This just in “a popular Hollywood writer/producer is a jerk”. I love how everyone is so shocked to think that Buffy/angel was somehow immune to normal Hollywood drama. Directors, writers, and producers have been abusing their actors/actresses since silent films snd the unions continue to do little to nothing about it. Her story, is not new unfortunately, but it is mild compared to what stars like Judy garland(I was appalled when I heard her story) and Marilyn Monroe went through, not to mention all the Harvey Weinstein victims. Hollywood has never been a safe place for women and children actors.

[@seanp8220]

Directors and Writers are visionaries and artists not carers

[@lifewithlulu4056]

@@seanp8220 true. Although it’s usually the ones that have gained power that are usually the most abusive.

[@ramdom_assortment]

Another male feminist is exposed as an abuser. Oh how I am so shocked!

[@thegreaterconundrum]

I am not shocked by this lol. Never really bought into the whole white-knight of feminist entertainment thing. Hes always been a little bit off.

[@keithmartland6463]

After watching and hearing about these reports about the Stars of the shows i love and still do, Joss Whedon has lost my respect, God bless you guys

[@kmb6519]

Funny how these actors still ran to be in his movies and shows. Actors will do anything for money at the time until it dries up then they bravely speak up.

[@Nepthu]

They did the same for Harvey Weinstein. Oprah praised him for years.

[@frankieramone1729]

Carisma made 30k per buffy ep and 50k per Angel ep- funny it took 20 yrs and a few movies to not like the Hollywood experience

[@jadedemerald77]

KMB 65 Bingo!

[@amybaker3551]

Bwahahaha, you work for free, and refuse money?

[@barbarasmith7432]

Joss Wheedon needs to wear the cone of shame on the set.

[@billybobhobnob101]

There are good bosses out there but from personal experience and talking to other people there are a lot more awful bosses than good bosses.

[@rommy143]

I forgot how young all these actors were on Buffy. I remember watching Buffy on the weekends when I was around 12 and 13.

[@MillsFortuneTV]

Kiss his MCU career goodbye

[@AfroGaz71]

They'll probably just do a "James Gunn" with him.

[@matthewlabbe8395]

Guess it’s a good thing the Russo bros got the next few avengers films

[@DanielBrongers]

@@matthewlabbe8395 Wouldn't be surprised if this is the REAL reason why he left after creating Agents of SHIELD.

[@marissafeola6070]

I'm not saying what happened isn't wrong, but damn, people deal with AWFUL mean and spiteful bosses everyday. If this wasn't Hollywood it wouldn't be a story.

[@angelabrysch5634]

But it should be!!!

[@superwoke9166]

I actually am interested in specifics, especially Fisher as we have not really heard details other then wheaton made things difficult on set. I know most actors have to go through hell while working on movies or getting ready for movies, early hours, long days, make up, diets, workouts, look a certain way ect. I almost feel like he was not prepared for what actors go though and thought this was abuse or something.

[@ForTheForsaken]

I feel like I am missing something. This is all made to sound really bad but the examples were vague. The examples seem like he was being rude but I don't understand how that can cause a physical condition in someone?

[@vanderlustforever7134]

I’m usually very skeptical of these kinds of accusations lobbed against successful males, but based on what I know of Joss, I’m not surprised.

[@joshlight8945]

I'm glad he has been exposed. I have never liked Joss Whedon. He writes the worst cliched dialogue I have ever heard. The man has no talent and now everyone will know what a pos he is. I hope his career is over.

[@deborahblackvideoediting8697]

This is so weird. I've been a Buffy fan for decades and I watched all the interviews with cast and crew that I could get my hands on. Several of them have talked about how they would go to Joss' home on Sundays and hang out and sing. The singing became such a big thing that Joss was eventually inspired to write Once More With Feeling - the musical Buffy episode from season 6. Why would several of the cast and crew repeatedly hang out at his home on their day off if he was such a bad guy?

[@carlosalfaro5660]

He is Allyson Hannigan's son godfather. He even fought with networks in order to hire actors and actresses from his cancelled shows, so they would get a job. Most of the crew of Buffy appears again and again in others Whedon's productions. But, on the other side, there were people Who consider him a liar, bully and manipulative. Maybe it depends on his relation with particular individuals.

[@veronicamars4124]

@@carlosalfaro5660 you got that detail a little backwards, Alyson Hannigan (and husband Alexis) are the Godparents to Joss Whedon's son. (Alyson does not have a son). :)

[@carlosalfaro5660]

@@veronicamars4124 oh, thanks!

[@veronicamars4124]

@@carlosalfaro5660 oh no problem, no worries! :)

[@illimattic]

" The Nevers" cast had no problems with Whedon either.

[@amitkenan3878]

Maybe he changed now, but then he was a scumbag

[@DBLCreations]

All those with bad intentions should take note and remember: Everything comes out eventually!

[@spongeblob4987]

Joss really did abuse his power, that’s just messed up...

[@greetonsmith6350]

so does....every man....who ever had power.....in the history of the world...

[@martingilbert74]

Out of all of this my take away personal concern is that I grew up feeling that Charisma had the perfect female form and now to hear it was held against her and shamed as 'fat' is unfathomable

[@kirbymarchbarcena]

This kind of abuse should be tried in a Court of law so that the abuser will not have another victim

[@thequackpackattack9250]

Being a asshole isnt illegal. But there may be a civil case.

[@MichaelHolmgaard]

David Boreanaz has always been a real man. I admire him a lot for how he has conducted himself in a very difficult industry

[@sersastark]

*except for when he cheated on his wife, but mostly yes.

[@SpookeyClown]

He has his own allegations against him.

[@MichaelHolmgaard]

@@SpookeyClown Who doesn't at this point? 😵

[@shonenhikada9254]

Hollywood actors will say anything and throw anyone under the bus if it meant advancing/keeping their careers.

[@x0xtran9x0x]

Imagine bullying a pregnant woman. Wtf is wrong with me?

[@jordangate7742]

Damn, Joss Whedon made these losers have careers, kicked Hollywood divas in line & now they're faking abuse for attention. I'm sick of pretending these divas are victims. Whedon gave us the avengers & was on top of the world in 2012, now everyone is pretending he's Dane Cook.

[@veecambo2124]

I didn’t like it how they wrote her off in Angel 🤦🏾‍♂️ great TV show but evil Producer/director

[@thaismenezes7279]

I came here to see whos is this david boreanas that todd chavez talks so much about

[@VincentStevenStudio]

If Stanley Kubrick were around today he would probably get canceled.

[@greetonsmith6350]

100%

[@elvinhayes4356]

I'm sorry, what are the allegations? That he wasn't nice? That he was a jerk? I mean, is there anything more specific than that? I can tell you, if that's all there is, then half the planet needs to be cancelled. I've had numerous awful bosses. So have you. I'm sorry this guy wasn't nice, but I mean, can anyone really be all that nice when they're running big productions full of grabby, high ego people?

[@mousechat3]

I love his shows didn't know what an aweful man Whedon is

[@v-doc5230]

What I don't understand is, why come forward now? Apparently everyone on set was informed and now they are supporting them but why not then? Why not get Whedon and make him understand that this is not appropriate and threaten with lawsuits and better even quitting the show all at once. I mean of the whole cast quits, I am sure the studio would think about making changes? In any case this is horrible: I became a Whedon fan due to Firefly and some of the whitty remarks, I see now differently. What I find most odd is that he called women fat (while pregnant). Is it me, or is Joss not a David Cloony either?