Buggy VS Truggy (RC)

[@stevenhogan9724]

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[@VestedUTuber]

You know, it's kinda interesting how little 1/8th scale buggies have changed over the years. Pretty much the biggest innovation after the "modern" design came around was the introduction of narrow-body buggies with the Losi 8ight. And those haven't fully replaced wide-body buggies either. Even the E-buggies were basically just a matter of slapping a new power system into the existing design. And honestly, I know this sounds like stagnation, but for club-level racing this is actually a good thing. It means that every new car is just a slightly tweaked version of what came before it, and since they still run on dirt which acts as a great equalizer of sorts, you're not really forced to upgrade to a new car every single minor refit like you are with 1/10th scale classes. While you might still want to upgrade due to parts availability issues, most older buggies within reason will still be competitive, and even entry-level models like the ARRMA Typhon or Kyosho NEO will be able to at least hold their own. This is a very ideal situation for club racing as while the vehicle type has a higher cost of entry than the various 1/10th scale options, the long-term costs for racing are far lower. As for 1/8th scale buggies being tricky to drive, I mean, they can be, but I've personally found the larger, heavier 1/8th scale 4WD buggies to be easier to drive than anything 1/10th scale. Their larger size and weight makes it easier to recover from a loss of traction than it is for, say, a 1/10th scale 2WD stadium truck, and their weight combined with their 4WD drivetrain makes them less likely to get into trouble in the first place. Sure, a 1/8th scale truggy will be even easier to drive, but at the end of the day, both are going to be relatively easy compared to their 1/10th scale counterparts.

[@patrickjohnson6259]

MAN! I haven’t touch any of these since the 90’s and watching this video is making want to get back into them. Back then, I had both Team Associated and Team Losi of both frames. We kept it simple with the the names too, there was Buggys and there was Trucks (Truck form of a Buggy which everyone knew so there was no need for fancy names to know what class you tell people you are racing in) I guess there’s so many classes to enter in now though.

[@chocolateapocalypse]

The Kyosho Vanning, wow, if that doesn't bring back memories of the big ol Tower Hobbies catalog nothing will lol

[@glenhenning9261]

THIS is why I watch utube, a very informative and professional video! Well done.

[@DirtConcept]

E-Truggy = 1/8 Novice… convince me I’m wrong 😊 All jokes aside, I feel 1/8 truggy has become redundant with 1/8 buggy. The truggies are extremely capable and on a lot of tracks they can actually throw down faster lap times than buggies. Don’t get me wrong truggy is a super fun class, but I think RC racing NEEDS a class alternate to buggy that really differentiates itself from buggy. Even if it is lower performing - that’s OK. Truck was never intended to be anywhere near the same performance level as buggy. I’m not sure how that was lost over the years... Great video Roach, thanks for sharing.

[@murrijuana2842]

Well said 👏

[@theclubhouse1209]

There was a class called 1/8 short course, but it never gained a strong following. I'd like to see it as a class again, even if only club level. I got to turn a few laps with the associated sc8 and while it didn't set any lap records, it was a blast to drive.

[@theclubhouse1209]

@@DirtConcept No the bruggy didn't start out as 1/10 stadium truck, it started as a monster truck. Mugen made one of the first conversion kits for the mbx5 buggy after racers were taking m/t wheels, tires, and bodies fabbing some body mounts and making their own "truggy" for m/t class, and they out classed the true m/t by a mile. The m/t was basically a basher/racer, i raced a revo and a xxxnt around florida at the same time, once the truggy "class" was added m/t fell to the way side and nitro stadium trucks lasted a little longer, but lipo's and brushless put the gas trucks to bed. I started racing back in 92 watched it all evolve over the years. I do miss racing 1/10 nitro though.

[@mrpotatoheadracing]

I do miss 1/10 "gas truck." The old RC10GT team kit outfitted with OS .12CV was a blast! Do you remember Grand Prix Hobbies in Ft. Pierce owned by Luther Peters? For a while I lived at that track...

[@dorsk84]

The fact the Monster truck class died makes me sad. I got to "help" develop a track, in Agusta GA, many years ago. It was done over a very popular forum at the time. When I finally got to go there to see it, it was nothing like the original design anymore. It was now just a short course/stadium truck track, 1/4 the size of the OG one. And the only places to "race" now, near me, ( last real track closed almost 30 years ago now) are tracks made in parking lots with wood ramps.

[@ohhi5237]

shit boy, this aint the early 90's, people have smartphones nobody goes outside

[@jakbparish]

Great content mate, I look forward to your videos. From what I understand, this is the last we"ll get from you for a while. I don't think I'm the only one that will miss your perspective on racing. I wish you the best with your studies and life. Good luck, from the Tasmanian.

[@RoachRC]

Don't worry I'm not going completely, just not gonna be going to big boi races like AMS and such

[@bhowell95]

Ban the Bruggy bodies!

[@RcOffroad9513]

Bruggy is the inevitable future for truck. Like it or lump it... I think it is here to stay. I dont really mind the bigger buggy style we run now.

[@vivos71]

@@RcOffroad9513 unless ROAR wakes up and makes some simple changes the body rules (covers front or both shock towers, wider front and rear fenders than mid-section)

[@EJ-74]

Wouldn't that make it parachute on big jumps though 🤔

[@vivos71]

@@EJ-74 If it's a problem for everyone, then it just becomes a feature of the class, something that adds to the character of a truggy.

[@EJ-74]

@@vivos71 I can understand that and although I do think they look a lot better with fenders I wouldn't want to go with looks over performance when it comes to racing..

[@FPVCARC]

Congrats for your channel, as an 90's kid that enjoyed rc toy cars with old brushed motors i love this videos Now that i'm into hobby grade rc i find this information really useful. I used to hated buggies just because i find them ugly, now my perspective has changed so much... Also love the way rc cars have evolved, i remember going 24km/h (14mph) with a 1/10 scale onroad car with no diffs, no 4wd, no shocks, and way heavier than todays rcs. I just remember having fun with that thing... Todays rc cars are just a dream for the kid i was

[@dylansowder6617]

I absolutely love my nt482.0 racing or just practicing I love logging laps with it still on box settings and still going strong I just recently got a nitro buggy going and it’s a whole new challenge much more responsive and aggressive but when you figure out how to drive it smooth it is just as fun and almost more rewarding

[@vivos71]

I used to be a huge truggy guy, but since 'bruggy' bodies have come around, not to mention how much more expensive racing has gotten, it's hard to see what's the point in running trucks anymore. Maybe a bit more track time, sure, but then that's more off-track maintenance, twice the equipment, and more expensive truck-specific parts, it's hard to justify over just focusing on having a good buggy going.

[@maxthunder2]

1/8 buggy is hands down the best class in RC! Variety of competitive chassis, cars are super durable and the people that race 1/8 are pretty chill people! Don't be too scared of the price it's worth it! even if you don't half a track to race on you can still use the cars as Bashers. like extremely light bashing.

[@Holmanrc]

I was lucky enough to score a set of teknos and can't wait to race next year.

[@diddlybow3891]

Cade, great video as always.

[@mini-z_me]

Great video, Roach!

[@3GWayne]

Love the content. I race 1/10 off-road carpet and just got a truggy. Would love to see more 1/8th scale content. Tools, what to bring to track etc.

[@user-sy4ko7yq4c]

dOpe content bud love the videos

[@jasone4460]

I just found your channel. Keep up the great work.

[@RCVictoryLane]

Kanai-san is also an IFMAR World Champion in 8th Scale Buggy

[@redgator7250]

One thing to note for beginners, alot of os at times have trouble with the race barriers or maybe rolling onto your side, Truggys are much better at traversing the piping on tracks while buggys will get high centered and stuck. Truggys also have this funny trick of just flooring it when you are about to roll upside down and magically righting them selves up with their bigger tires.

[@ohhi5237]

buggies dont roll easy like trucks, the end

[@theaaronritter9513]

I love the stock body on the ET48 2.0

[@85klstewart]

All about that Truggy Truck body life!!!

[@andrewp3658]

Do you have accepted dimensions needed to make a truggy or a buggy legal in their class? Thx

[@RoachRC]

I think buggies have to be within a certain width but truggies don't

[@RcOffroad9513]

Most racers end up running both... with that said not all do, but I have been running both but often alternately. Both great classes!

[@murrijuana2842]

Simp harder.

[@Storyracing387]

Truggy all the way! Another great video buddy, WW2023 taught me a ton!

[@swampcritterisbackbaby1740]

I think buggies are like 12th scale pan cars in that they have remained basically the same because they work. You see little differences between brands but basically they hit a good formula and have stuck with it.

[@cramalnig]

Good video! You're right about the interest side of things away from the states and Canada, here in the UK nitro Truggy is quite popular, and growing too, though nowhere near the level of 1/8 Rallycross which has been in boom since the early 80's. If someone is looking to venture beyond club level racing then both those classes are run by our B.R.C.A over here on the national event scene, also e-Buggy has now appeared in its own class too. I love my 1/8 Truggies (1x Nitro and 2x Electric) and live in hope that very soon the BRCA will introduce a 1/8 e-Truggy class too - I'll certainly travel for those events. I guess at the moment I'll have to settle for club level racing, there's only a handful of us who have them where I live. And yes, the Truggy shells - I much prefer the more "truck"-looking style shell, some seem to be morphing into a style with traits of that buggy look. I've noticed when watching videos that sometimes I have to look twice to see if the RC zipping around the track is a buggy or truggy..

[@a1racer441]

1/8th scale truggies came about in the early 2000’s back when I used to race kyosho mp7’s at The Dirt and prolines track the nitro 1/8th scale buggy was the big show back then. First real race for truggies was probably 2002-2004 ish range when people where converting the mp7’s and ofnas and mugens into truggies. Used to love racing the buggies at the old The Dirt in Hemet back in the day.

[@onetouchautorepair4381]

1/8 scale truggies came out in ruffly 1991 with the RC10T. It debuted in Florida winter nationals with two race teams. From that point every company was trying to jump on it. Mine was running a Novak speed controller and a trinity monster motor

[@scottmcmurtrie4215]

Cool video bro

[@theclubhouse1209]

Mugen made a conversion kit for the mbx5 to race in the monster truck class.

[@jessewest1545]

Make Truggies Trucks Again I blame Tekno and Leadfinger for the stupid bruggy body trend. I only run old school over the shock tower bodies. I want my truggy to look like a truggy.

[@andrewp3658]

If father was going to buy four 4WD kits to build and race with his college age sons, would you pursue 4 truggy or 4 buggy kits? One of my sons has had an entry level nitro truggy, but I as a kid in the 1980-90’s grew up with buggy’s then lol. Any thoughts on family racing ideas? Thx

[@RoachRC]

It really depends on which is more popular at your local track. Generally buggy is a safer choice

[@tateevans9143]

I hate the bruggy bodies they just take the “ Truck outta Truck” so sad truck is my favorite class

[@dizzychizzy1]

I use a standard 2000kv hw brushless motor on my hb etruggy and it’s more than enough power. The extra 4mm length cans specified for ETruggy’s are not any dearer or essential for racing…

[@seanjay00]

Truggy

[@mikalarrington8112]

Is that nort georgia shootout you showing

[@RoachRC]

Wicked Weekend

[@Kennebec27]

Just wanted to say because of your videos I have gotten the rc bug. It started with a basher truck. And evolved into a rc10b74.1d and a rc10t6.4. Looking forward to actually getting on a real track, instead of the local baseball dirt.

[@RoachRC]

Have fun out there!

[@prod.twnt2153]

Ive always been more drawn to the look of truggies then buggies. I never liked buggies or trucks but truggies were the perfect middle ground

[@TravelGuy1111]

Etruggy Is the future

[@TheJGJR9]

ive been having my fun with my udr but man the buggy racing itch has only been getting bigger and bigger😂

[@mattiazanni3086]

Can someone explain what a 1/10 open class would be because it's one of the 3 classes that will be raced in an upcoming race

[@VestedUTuber]

1/10 open is typically a catch-all class for anything that doesn't fit in any of the other classes. It's more of an introductory class than anything.

[@ZingZingNZ]

Truggy.

[@MrGumbedamit]

How much do you spend on tires.. hmmm

[@warracer03]

I always thought the first truggy was the Team Losi MUGGY.

[@Dabman007]

Wish they had short course nitro still

[@littlemotor414]

The GS was absolutely NOT the first 1/8 nitro truggy. It was the custom built, OFNA based TITANIUM chassis Tazer PRT, and I was one of the very few to own/drive one. I also have plenty of pics to back that up. 🤙

[@RoachRC]

Thanks for the info

[@sydewayzmo3905]

So much easier to race 1/8. The tracks are so big and wide!

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

I confused them with stadium trucks.

[@Raybowski1245]

I love my 8ight xte

[@rageglide]

Truggys are just buggy’s with training wheels. ........Also good video I was around when truggy came up had a gs storm then a ofna/jammin then a few kids and now Tekno.. back then truggy tires were wider than the are now. I remember we used to glue the inner tire bead inside the bead edge on the wheel to make them narrower. I personally love the bruggy look

[@Yannisphotoforce]

I live truggys but no races in Greece. Nobody loves them here. 10 years ago it was popular here. St rr kyosho and thunder tigers...

[@user-sy4ko7yq4c]

shud be a TRUCK body over towers IMO

[@witnessrc4862]

I love racing both but etruggy is definitely my favorite. As for bodies I don't really mind the use of bruggy bodies, I prefer the look of traditional truck style bodies but the bruggy bodies perform slightly better and last significantly longer than truck bodies.

[@stew8490]

I love truggys but can only race buggys near me so no choice 😢

[@Truggahneer]

I'm still holding my tongue 🤐 and grinding my teeth 😬.

[@RoachRC]

Lol

[@markhall912]

Muggy

[@RoachRC]

Mmm M U G G Y

[@VestedUTuber]

Modern 1/8th scale truggy bodies are an abomination. I was fine with cab forward designs but at this point truggy bodies are basically just buggy bodies with truck beds, with how the bodies basically narrow down at the shock tower. IFMAR should ban those bodies so we can be rid of them.

[@gigi9467]

Not a fan of truggies, big expensive and like he said easier to drive unfortunately its second most popular..

[@dizzychizzy1]

It buggy and truggy Regardless of a body loophole…😊

[@Crabtronics]

It’s still a truggy

[@Drunken_Hamster]

Bruggy is such a stupid thing. Even worse is trying to change the scale size semi-arbitrarily like that. They should 100% bring back full truggy style bodies and outlaw the Bruggy BS, then figure out how to solve parachuting another way, kinda like they did in SCT with that one proline or j-concepts body or whatever. Also, why the hell are Truggy and Stadium truck named differently when they're basically the same thing? Slightly bigger footprint and bigger tired buggies that makes them easier to drive. TBH, just call Stadium Trucks Truggies, too, and then differentiate between scales and drivelines like we already do. SCT can be it's own thing and become UNTIED to a scale since "1/10" scale SCT is dimensionally 1/8th scale anyway. So in the end we'd have: 1/10 2wd Buggy 1/10 4wd Buggy 1/10 2wd Truggy 1/10 4wd Truggy 2wd SCT (no scale designation since the current one is inaccurate and these are suppose to be all about "scale accuracy") 4wd SCT (same as above) 1/8 Buggy 1/8 Truggy Minis class (1/14 to 1/18 scale) Micro class (1/24 scale) TBH you could probably get away with making 1/10 scale stuff 2wd only, but that'd probably piss off a lot of people. It'd simplify things quite a bit, though. Want 4wd? Go big. TBH I wouldn't mind seeing big 2WD stuff, but IDK how they'd run and whether or not they'd be worth it. The closest we've got is 1/10 MT 2wd and 2wd SCT, one of which isn't a class, and the other of which is only okay in the face of its 4wd counterpart.

[@mrpotatoheadracing]

I personally don't like the Truggies. They're a model of a model. Buggies at least were at one time a reflection of a buggy. They're more prone to breakage, they're a threat to turn marshals, the front of the chassis will often dig out the base of jumps and making the jump surface rough, I can go on. You can also compromise a track that would be suitable for 1/8 buggy, and 1/10 classes, however, truggies will not be enjoyable on a truck more suited to 1/10 classes. But, truggies are easier to drive. I say quit trying to make things easy, and simply learn to drive a buggy...

[@danjones4002]

Get rid of truggy and bring back 10th scale truck