Building a Blacksmithing Gas Bottle Propane Forge & Burners

[@WillMatthews]

Due to popular demand, I have updated the video description to include a list of components used in the burners and gas manifold. Happy hunting!

[@tenaciousdan5831]

Will Matthews where did you get the insulation. Looked like it came cut to size

[@silverback7133]

probably here www.artisansupplies.com.au/

[@silverback7133]

whats the cost of the build mate? im tossing up trying your build or buying one pre made from fire pants fabrication

[@WillMatthews]

+silver back for a new gas bottle, burner components, insulation kit from artisans, high pressure regulator and bits and pieces it was around the $300 AUD mark.

[@phillipprince65942]

How much you charge to build one.

[@markfryer9880]

That trick with using White Vinegar on Galvanized steel was brilliant.

[@MagiRaz]

First DIY forge build that paid attention to galvanization. Congrats on being smart.

[@patrickholcomb9628]

awesome build, thank you for taking the time to complete and post!!! I learned a tip a while back: I noticed in my shop, that starting a tap in a new hole was tough. I did some research. Now I tap new holes with my *****non-running/not "ON"***** drill press. I'm able to stabilize the piece and get a good perpendicular hole tapped. I just twist the chuck by hand cw/ccw briefly... again ****NOT TURNING POWER ON****

[@WillMatthews]

+patrick holcomb thanks for watching and a great tip there too :) cheers

[@patrickholcomb9628]

If offended, I apologize sir. tip was directed towards helpful hints to DIY-ers, my gurus have taught me. no offense intended.

[@WillMatthews]

+patrick holcomb no offense taken mate, at all. It is a good tip and I dare say I'll be using it. Cheers

[@GreezMode]

Thumbs up bro, you could easily delete all your mistakes from the video and act like a perfectionist but you choose to show your viewers your mishaps here and there, honestly i like your honesty :)

[@1averageamerican]

Been researching DIY forges for a couple weeks. Think I just found my build. Awesome job. Thanks.

[@Squarehead45]

BEST and yet simplest Forge Build I have seen yet. This guy has the brain of an Engineer. I like his technique and Design. You go Buddy.

[@viceskyre]

looks gorgeous. You're the first person I've seen treat the insulation material with respect (using gloves and glasses). Thumbs up for you.

[@WillMatthews]

Yeah everything I've read tells me it is not good for you at all! Only got one set of lungs, eyes and everything else!

[@alexthehopeless3778]

That cup doesn't lie, truly best dad ever, wish mine was at least somewhat close...

[@pellegrr2]

I think your videos are genuinely some of the best out there. Great shots, editing, etcetera. I'm kinda loathing the repetitive music. Really dig your others.

[@ibnormal71]

Yeah the initial musical track became nauseating real quick.

[@johnbaron5124]

Provides a great stating point from which I shall produce my own design with two burners and two control valves so I can just use one burner if I have a small job. Thanks for putting this up.

[@oculusangelicus8978]

Thanks for making this video, it shows me how to make a quality forge for a much more reasonable price. I noticed you used a brand new Propane bottle, best that way so you don't have to worry about the residue from the gas. I really like your design as well, the extra effort you put into the base of the Forge is just as important as the burners, you can't have an unstable forge. Once again, great vid, and great design and thank you for it!!!

[@redwolf7929]

You can fill a used bottle with water when grinding to push any old gas out

[@CD-pi8xq]

Always a pleasure to see an all rounder getting busy. Thanks for sharing.

[@masterofnone]

Great project and video. And I want to put this from description out here to comments "!!!!!!!!!!- IF you use an old gas bottle, take extended precautions to make sure it's empty before cutting into it with an angle grinder. Better yet, buy a new one, they're cheap"!!!!!!!!

[@WillMatthews]

Can't be stated enough! Be safe out there

[@woodruffwoodruff6853]

Or if you absolutely have to use an old one fill it with water, then cut.

[@arealassassin]

or pump exhaust fumes through it, we do it with fuel tanks before welding.

[@xj9779]

Please edit the video you know there are many dumb people out there... I did this for my own forge and I filled the bottle with water before I started grinding to make extra sure nothing could happen(I bought a new one so it was no need to but be safe is better than blowing up the garage and me too) anyway its much easier to to clamp the valve into a bench vise and turn the bottle. OK what's that blue spray stuff and why do you not cover the rest of the ceramic fiber with concrete? This fibers flying around when you light the forge...

[@shooter77us]

The the blue stuff is rigidizer and it hardens the surface of the ceramic wool to prevent the fibers from being blown out of the forge. Disaster averted.

[@honestacehole6172]

Always fill propane tanks with water before cutting into them!!!!! That was a huge safety step overlooked in this video.

[@Steven-rw8zr]

Be nice to hear how this forge is holding up 3 years later!

[@stevecampbell9721]

Not sure how you got so many thumbs down, this is probably the most legit youtube tutorial ive seen on making a forge. It looks like DIY ones made before the youtube days. Great job sir.

[@rhinomite5203]

Best 'forge build' I've found. Clean, descriptive, easy to watch, and nice finish. Will be doing something similar very soon. Great video WM!!

[@54127922]

Hey mate, just wanted to say thanks for this video, gave me the confidence to finally build my own. Got my kit from gamerco and I'm building mine now based off your design however I'm just using the large burner that came with the kit bk3 I think is the model. again thanks .*Edit* I used an old gas bottle too, to others out there wanting to build this with an old bottle do some research on how properly clean before you cut. Personal I opened the bleed valve, then took tap off filled with water, turn up side down left over night, next day wash out with detergent and rinsed thoroughly. This did take extra time but worth the piece of Mind.

[@DiesInEveryFilm]

Awesome stuff great work dude. Loads better build than mine was 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@wismasakinahhotel6649]

harmony of passion and consistency and accuracy. no hurry but natural rhythm. great wonderful work! great wonderful share. my four thumbs are not enough to appreciate you

[@stefanpieterse1728]

Thanks for the great video, starting my own of our plans today, greetings from South Africa.

[@stevemiller6766]

The burner assembly was genius!

[@dragon111409]

Ha Nice work man , I made one of these myself a year or so ago . Though i do recommend offsetting the burners on separate sides like i did if you over rebuild it , same positions just move one to the other side , it creates a swirling vortex inside and helps eliminate the cold spots by spreading out the heat more evenly . Also that is Fing genius using a straw to help position the mig tip . Also here's a tip , if your welding in it use a fire brick inside as a sacrificial surface for the borax to eat so you don't have to replace the Kaowool or satanite as much or risk eating the bottom out .

[@WillMatthews]

Thanks for watching and the tips. cheers

[@yuriytsupko]

@William Rice At what degrees the burners offset would work best, like 90^ or rather 180^?

[@danieldelia8846]

That burner set up is genius.

[@Arckangel333]

Love you channel man! You have a fan here for sure. I love the restoration video you did. Hope to see more!

[@WillMatthews]

Thanks Chris! More to come in the future hopefully!

[@roberthuismans3533]

No shortcuts, great workmanship.

[@johnholden7825]

After watching this and another couple of your vids, you've definitely gotten my sub! Very nice work, man.

[@HannabalLecter-y5d]

A saleable (English) item? Brilliant, I'll watch more when they come. Well done Will. Pete

[@WillMatthews]

Thanks Pete. For sale? No mate, cheers

[@leahgarner8877]

Who else found this video oddly satisfying?

[@AfricanSouthernCross]

Why is it odd, I found this video extremely satisfying as it satisfied my curiosity but certainly not odd, lol.

[@thegoodearth7]

Thank you for the video. Your commenters answered and confirmed the very first question that came to my mind the moment you put grinder to metal--I was wondering if it was going to detonate. I recently watched a video of a shop employee grinding into a 50 gallon drum that had been cleaned and he was certain was safe to burrow into. Up until then I had never witnessed concussive force lift a full-size man up, force two complete and violent rotations of the body midair, interrupted only by gravity as his body struck the concrete floor in mid rotation, with the arc of a hammer blow. The force was such that some of his clothes ripped from him. The worst part of the video was the complete lack of bodily movement that followed.

[@kennybo-iy2ed]

so he got bored and dozed off?

[@grimentertainment2350]

Dude you do nothing halfway. This is awesome, thank you for sharing this.

[@xhalefreedom]

I have never seen those flexible rulers before. I am happy that i watched this video because i have been looking for something to measure/match curves.

[@Lordarcane1983]

cool build and video. great work!

[@roddoel1028]

Just got here , what a great build.

[@dornob6568]

Best Forge and burner video I have ever seen! Great job!

[@WillMatthews]

+Michael Oelschig thanks mate! Spread the word!

[@dornob6568]

Definitely!

[@DigitalAura]

Ya, I agree. And I’ve watched them all!

[@humand0gz]

Craftsmanship level is outstanding

[@OneDaysDecision]

Absolutely incredible work, from detail in the forge to detail on editing your videos! Keep up the fantastic work! Look forward to more videos!

[@YeahNahDeadset]

Really well done mate, thanks for taking the time to post

[@naui2]

That's the best home made forge I've ever seen! Great job buddy!

[@WillMatthews]

Thanks for watching :)

[@AnnaëlleD]

I'm really impressed! Excellent work.

[@HurricaneOK1]

I'd say before cutting into ANY gas bottle with an angle grinder, take all the precautions you can. There's no way of knowing that it hasn't been refurbished/returned to the shop as "new" after having some sort of gas in it, or even if it just has some oil/solvent in it from the factory because it's a steel gas bottle and they tend to do that kind of thing. It will have some air inside of it....... So with any of those situations, if you go ahead and ram an abrasive wheel into it, you could explode yourself to death. So... Either get the valve off and fill it with water, or carefully and slowly drill a small hole in it with a hand drill (as in powered by hand) and fill it with water.

[@j-man72b72]

Or purge it with Argon or CO2

[@hamanjam]

Before working on any propane tank, I fill with water and empty

[@MsSomeonenew]

Just washing or purging is not good enough because whatever material was in the bottle is also stuck in the walls, this is how my neighbor almost lost his arm repairing a moped gas tank. To be safe keep it full of water or sand as you work on it, that way anything that catches fire can't spread quickly enough to cause problems.

[@ColtSSR]

Fill it with water, then cut it.

[@HalfInsaneOutdoorGuy]

hot soapy water, fill it up, drain it and drop a couple chunks of dry ice in it. Cut away. Not hard. Never had one catch fire or anything else.

[@kentuckytrapper780]

Job well done, best video yet on diy forge build.

[@MrPatrickmartin1985]

Awesome job. This is the video Ill be using to make my own. Great stuff.

[@chiphill4856]

Fantastic layout techniques!

[@CraftedbyHand210]

Amazing video and I looks amazing! Two Questions: 1-What’s the blue stuff you sprayed in side? 2-Fibre Insulation Blanket, how much did you need of if to cover it all? I’m looking on amazon and they have some 2”x24x whatever... what would you suggest or do you have a link to were you got yours? Side question: how long will a forge last with a full 20lb tank of propane?

[@darrymiller1927]

thanks for sharing that with us because that is the best forge i have seen

[@The_Unobtainium]

Hi, what exactly is that blue thing you've sprayed all over the fire wool?

[@crazyguys6101]

rigidiser

[@crazyguys6101]

*rigidizer

[@markb4106]

Thanks man . A great video I've been searching for. Thanks for the low key music it went well with your work.

[@castandforge9927]

Great built!

[@WillMatthews]

+Cast and Forge thanks!

[@Knifeboi]

Thank you for getting right to it from the very beginning of the video.. Great job man 👏👏👏

[@jmjosias]

Definitely one of the best iv seen. I'm gonna have to make mine again cheers for the vid

[@Jdacz1]

Very well thought out. Would like to see your plans. After seeing the insulation I'm thinking this is somewhat of a kit project. Using a new (Never filled 20lb propane tank). May I suggest using black iron. no need for acid soak. Your patience is outstanding, very meticulous. I commend your effort. Well done.

[@OfekNavarsky]

Great video! It really should have more views

[@WillMatthews]

Thanks, feel free to promote it as much as you want :) haha

[@OfekNavarsky]

Will Matthews maybe you can make a video about building a grill that can be either gas/coal and can turn into meat smoker. I know a group of 30 thousand dads that would love this video

[@sphaxxhaps3628]

Realized the hole was too small on the left :P Super nice realization though, props for attention to details and the knowledge to deal with heat and gas, didn't know you could "un-galvanize" things

[@vaporofdeath37]

what did it end up costing you to build it from start to finish???

[@mcorrade]

ummmm out of all the diy forges, I think this is the best idea. Just big enough. Coffee can too small and the others are too big for my shop. I really like the way you removed the galvanizing. Very cool....I'm going to give it a go

[@sagesaumers3136]

How did it go? Did it work well for you?

[@Killfox]

The insulation looked like a kit almost. What is it exactly? I know its kaowool or ceramic blanket.

[@shanemcdowell4852]

I know this is an old comment, but just in case anybody is still wondering... www.artisansupplies.com.au/product/forge-refractory-kit-9kg-gas-cylinder/

[@IgnoramusSA]

@@shanemcdowell4852 Brah, why is that kit so expensive?

[@AtlasJotun]

Thanks for the video, looks like a great build. I'm currently preparing an old 5 gal. air tank for use as a forge and foundry furnace, this helped with some ideas for the burner setup. Never would have thought to use mig tips as the jets, very clever.

[@masonherr1658]

what was the blue refractory(i think) spray?

[@ericsprado4631]

Several brands out there. VERY IMPORTANT: The KO wool refractory blanket is carcinogenic unless coated with a sealant.. Newer refractory blankets are made of a fiberglass material and don't release hook shaped particles that love getting into our lungs.. Ask an insulation person in your area. They have all the info.

[@lurbet4220]

Now that’s art. Looks great mate good job! Neat little unit

[@lennym1273]

What is this blue liquid that is sprayed on the wool? What is useful for?

[@Jommm]

Rigidizing to stop cancer fumes

[@robertoller8637]

Beautiful design.

[@BeardedBored]

Aaaaaand subscribed. Great video, tons of detail:-)>

[@markgrevatt4867]

Wow fantastic job. Looks great 👍👍👍

[@OlneyaTesota]

The background music just about drove me away !!!

[@michaelwalling8281]

is this an inside joke? If not then this comment, like an arrow shot from your bedroom window, points right back at you. If EVERYTHING else fails you could volume down.

[@mochamadsuhendro1264]

Saya suka cara anda dalam menjelaskan secara video. Bukan dengan ucapan. 😊.ini yang saya cari. Tp alangkah baiknya anda beri keterangan lewat ucapan anda mengenai pemasangan katup gas dan perbandingan setelan dari noozle tersebut. 😊

[@FormalFistFight]

you can literally see the timeline of OP getting fed up with editing process throughout the video

[@thenakedcarpenter2502]

Dude, that was awesome. Your attention to detail can really be seen in the video. Thanks for sharing

[@electronicshelpcare]

wow, a good idea for making this. Really I want to make one.

[@arthurbond8241]

Looks like a great way to have a awesome hobby. Thanks for all your hard work to create this video.

[@ОлегМальчик-м6ъ]

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[@travissmith7471]

You showed out... Thanks for sharing a great tutorial...

[@brunoduchesne9758]

Great video, it is the best and most instructive that I watched, bravo! Here is my question, what is this blue liquid that is sprayed on the wool? What is useful for? Thank you Traduction machinelle

[@daveholmes6169]

Did you ever find out? Refractory?

[@peternelson7545]

It's a rigidizer. It hardens the exposed surface of the blanket to improve durability and life

[@EarthMurph]

Nice build man! Best I’ve came across tonight!

[@codygosney976]

I didn't see it asked anywhere yet, but will this achieve forge welding heat?

[@Nittygrittyguy]

That's a cute little burner , awesome job !

[@johnbiggs7620]

Instant sub right here. Great video man

[@001DAMOE]

That's the best forge I've seen made on KZbin so for 👍🏾👍🏾

[@CryingNeutrons]

your video is missing of lot of details. Like what was that blue stuff? what type of cement did you use

[@autumn707]

It was the heat insulation

[@factcore2765]

The blue stuff was rigidizer and I am wondering about the cement as well

[@GaIvatr0n]

It's 4am and I don't know what this thing is or why I'm watching this, but its amazing.

[@bigtonka82]

It's a blacksmithing forge

[@cyberdrift1]

2 Questions. What was the blue stuff you sprayed inside on the wool? Also did you mix anything special in the cement? Great video and very nice burner set up!

[@WillMatthews]

+Cyber Drift 1. It is rigidizer for ceramic Fibre insulation blankets. 2. No, it is just high temperature castable refractory and water. Thanks for watching!

[@kennyfisher8526]

How has the castable held up?

[@WillMatthews]

+Kenny Fisher so far so good

[@Kriss_Cros]

What's the name/brand of this rigidizer and where can buy it?

[@thejosuchav]

Anvilfire has a rigidizer they sell. It's expensive. A slightly more pain in the ass option is to build a square one with bricks as the liner. Search for a pottery or ceramics supply store in your area. They should have the ceramic wool as well as kiln bricks. My build has the 1" hard brick for the floor and sides and the 2.5" soft brick on the ceiling. The only reason for that was that drilling through soft brick can be done with any bit, so I didn't have to spend money on a masonry bit. around the brick there is a 1.5" layer of ceramic wool, and then around that a metal box I welded together from a 55 gal drum I got from a mechanic shop for free. I wish I had used better metal on the outside, but I can always rebuild that. I went about figuring out the dimensions of everything starting with making a box of bricks. I wanted something aroung 300 to 350 cubic inches so I could use a single Reil burner and get satisfactory heat. Measured the wool and metal pieces around the pile of bricks.

[@davidlange7916]

Will, Great minds must run alike. I built a forge very much like yours a year ago. I did welded an old door hinge on the front half of the tank so I can open the forge and get large stuff like big coil springs in the forge. For a floor I welded in a 1/4 steel plate floor and put wool in and then a piece of ceramic kiln shelf that came up to door height. I also welded two long pieces of 1/2 inch pipe on the sides so I can slide in a horseshoe shaped 3/8 inch steel rod that serves as a rest when I heat long pieces of steel . I run at about 8 lbs for general forging but when I turn it up to 20 lbs I can get forge weld heat quicker. Dave Lange

[@xTheTacticalSpiderX]

hi david, i made his burner only slightly adapted it to have 3 burners and it seems to not work. and despite all my efforts (taking a burner off and capping it, using low and high psi regulators, both longer and shorter pip tips and even smaller and larger mig tips [0.25-0.35])and i cant for the life of me get it to run. im currently running it off a 0-10 psi regulator and it seems to not be pulling enough oxygen through. when i point a hairdryer at the choke from a distance it starts to work properly but the whole point to this was not having to plug anything in. please if you could lend a hand that would be much apreciated

[@piggy59873]

@@xTheTacticalSpiderX you need 0-60 psi regulator for more gas pressure. Get adjustable one

[@joshbaxter1678]

Hey mate, just wondering where you got your regulator from? Also just wondering if youd feel that having one burner would be enough to reach forge welding temps?

[@TomStedham]

Very nice work!

[@danimalfourbull1308]

you really should encourage viewers to fill the cylinder with water to remove all gas fumes, before cutting with a grinder, Impressive though.

[@jamespalmer8738]

He bought it new...never been filled with gas before.

[@andrewdavies6273]

Very impressive Will..

[@ChromeClanDesigns]

OMG! what was that blue rubber tool you used to get the circumference of the tank!!??

[@geoffreycrosby]

William Fleming Yes, that was great use of a Flexible French Curve, transferring the curve of the tank to stock. It’s was used in technical drafting, pre-CAD drafting.

[@tomherd4179]

Had the same question, now answered. Just bought one on eBay!

[@chalcedony6858]

@@geoffreycrosby They are great for pattern making in sewing.

[@tradarcher3241]

Nice build & great simple video with parts list!

[@iainohalloran42]

Hi there the vinegar taking the galvanise off is great but does it take 100% of it off I'm asking this because I have some galvanised bits to weld and I'm not looking forward to welding that poison great video btw 👍🏻👍🏻

[@WillMatthews]

+Iain O'halloran I believe it does. But I am not an expert. From everything I've researched you'd be fine I'd say, as long as they are left long enough. When you take them out of the vinegar, rinse in water and if they flash rust then there isn't any galvanizing remaining

[@njmvermont]

Best just ware a respirator and make sure its adequately rated. T hey are only around $30. And have good ventilation where you do it.

[@marshallgibson7817]

Or buy black pipe... Its the same without galv on it

[@mitch10275]

Yes, vinegar does remove 100% of the galvanization if you leave it in there long enough. White vinegar, although it works, is not the best. Use apple cider vinegar - seems strange, but it's much stronger and works much faster.

[@mitch10275]

I should also mention that there is a chemical reaction taking place between the vinegar and the galvanization, so eventually, one of those is going run out (you're hoping it runs out of galvanization). If it looks like it's stopped working, then you didn't have enough vinegar, so just put the piece in some fresh vinegar. Trust me, you'll see bare metal - it will be obvious the galvanization is gone (especially when you see rust as Will mentioned).

[@lenblacksmith8559]

That's a nice little forge, well done.

[@zhookeeper]

I recognise the Bunnings cylinder :) did you use flap disks for grinding the paint off? I'm doing mine at the moment. My pissy sandblaster is not touching the paint. I bought the burner from gameco, just haven't decided whether to weld it in directly, or make a sleeve with bolts like yours. Any feedback, hints, pitfalls... Etc appreciated! Great build.

[@walnutt22]

I just put the burner in mine and heated the shell with no insulation. The paint pretty much fell off afterwards. Flap disks work well too.

[@WillMatthews]

Yep Bunnings cylinder :) I used scotch brite discs to strip the paint. You can pick them up at Bunnings. I wanted to buy a Gameco burner, but there hasn't been any stock so I decided to make my own. If I did buy one from Gameco, I would have welded the flare to the forge body. Hints & pitfalls? Take your time, be safe (wear your ppe), make sure of everything before you turn that gas on. Check your gas manifold for leaks before lighting it. Have fun!

[@zhookeeper]

Will Matthews thanks!

[@joshparker1688]

Lol im just starting out trying to get into a bit of knife making and stuff but sounds like im in the same boat you blokes are in got my tank from bunnings and my burner and kaowool ect from gameco. Just finished welding the burner in ect but due to a lack of directions, knowledge and it being my first build i came searching you tube for answers lol. Anyway how did your forges fair in the end did they hold up allright ect

[@pomminator4000]

I'm about to start building a forge this same way, but I can;t seem to find a gas bottle - can you just wander up to bunnings and buy a new, empty bottle? I can't find aything that suggests that on their website..

[@richcook9808]

Absolutely fantastic. Thanks. I enjoyed watching and can’t wait to start building one.

[@Dylan_Smith94]

Any chance you would build me one of these??!

[@johnburens3395]

nice Job! Try a Tweco #14 mig tip, I found they work the best. I use schedule 80 black pipe rather than galvanized... too much trouble to remove the nasty stuff. The Reil burners work pretty good.

[@johnburens3395]

@@bonesjones5692 Yes you can.

[@petermississauga598]

Beautiful work! Best video I've seen on this. What was the blue stuff you sprayed onto the insulation? Thanks for sharing. Cheers!

[@Relestan]

I would guess it was rigidizer. The kaowool should still be coated with something like castolite 30 even with the rigidizer on it though.

[@TheMindOfBrick]

Agreed Korreth

[@10000rambos]

Angle grinders might be the best invention in history.

[@walkermayer2666]

Awesome forge! Looks super cool. Maybe you should do a narration next time...

[@WillMatthews]

Yeaaaaah....just don't have the confidence for that sort of thing I don't think! Maybe one day.

[@walkermayer2666]

When I do mine, I just kind of wing it. It is more natural sounding and comical when you mess up

[@PBrooksSawyer]

Confidence? My friend your videos exude plenty of confidence. Go for it I say. Great vid. Learning alot.

[@1averageamerican]

I like it the way it is. No gabbing, just making. Thanks for the great video.

[@CrescentMoonNinja188]

I'll be honest, reason I subbied was because you don't talk, just do. I find it more satisfying.

[@nancydavis9301]

you are one smart man, i enjoy watching you,

[@harleyjones18]

Will a forge like this reach welding temps?

[@timmytexlonghorns2206]

Propane forges will weld but it takes much longer than coal or ethanol

[@FargoFX]

Beautiful work. Clear and easy to follow. Also the subject of the video was definitely up my alley. New Sub! Keep up the great work!

[@outdoorzone]

Why not fire brick instead of that mess of concrete?

[@corruptedminds5679]

That's castable refractory cement. It's the same stuff firebrick is made out of. In theory it'll be more durable than just tossing a brick it there. Though a brick would be easier to replace when the floor eventually wears out.