Building A More Human Internet in NYC | Still Connecting

[@anonymous_youtuber378]

I've set up two NYC mesh installations in separate buildings that I lived and both nodes had great internet speeds. I recommend everyone in NYC set one up where they live.

[@spiralfractr]

Thanks, what's "great" in Mbps?

[@jong9379]

@@spiralfractr It ranges from 60 mbps to 1 Gbps for wifi and upto 20 Gbps for fiber. Also like any other wifi signal, it heavily depends on the area. If you live in Manhattan, then speeds will obviously be good, but in places like Harlem or Brooklyn, it can be slightly less outside of the hotspots. .

[@Calypso993]

what about latency ?

[@wallythewall600]

​@@Calypso993 It's wireless. It's not gonna be cabled-level latency from client to first hop, I'd expect something similar to the numbers Starlink's touting. That being said, this is clearly meant as accessible internet for the under-served first and foremost, so that people can actually do a lot of important things that are increasingly becoming impossible to do without internet (like even being able to submit an application to a job). I seriously doubt an extra 10ms is gonna mess with your AWP peeks sans placebo/nocebo effect unless you're at the very least ranked LEM, if that's why you're asking.

[@Carterthielftw_]

@@spiralfractr I mean, I would go as far to say that most residences in America have something below 100mbps.

[@mrarduino2977]

I really like to see the updates from these kind of projects, keep them coming.

[@houseplant1016]

It's dumb, big corporations are better .

[@mrarduino2977]

@@houseplant1016 more options and compertion is better.

[@Carterthielftw_]

@@houseplant1016 that's a funny joke

[@SanoKei]

I saw a project like this in Detroit and heard that one was being built in NYC and I'm very happy that it is a reality

[@LeeeroyJenkins]

Can’t believe this guys are saying WiFi is a human right when there’s people without food or a home. You won’t die without WiFi, but food in the other hand. That’s a killer.

[@zardian]

@@LeeeroyJenkins well... You won't also die due the lack of privacy or freedom of expression. But those are also human rights.. eh!

[@FreeSpirit90]

@@LeeeroyJenkins You need the internet to find jobs. it's not the 90s anymore gramps.

[@NYCMesh]

We've been going for over 7 years!

[@SanoKei]

@@NYCMesh I've really been thinking of switching over :D Support you guys either way

[@Tobi_Jones]

Internet should be classified as a utility

[@nvysel24]

It was then it was rolled back by trump

[@pseudonym3396]

Food should be classified as a utility too. That way inept bureaucratic machines and oligopolies can dominate there as well.

[@TomasPetkevicius94]

This is a must in the 21st century.

[@plushiie_]

@@pseudonym3396 UN Did try and vote for food being a human right. Guess the countries that were against :)

[@carademarcus]

@@nvysel24 you act like trump does everything. You mean people in his administration trump just golfed and ranted on teittwe

[@fluffywarhampster]

its interesting to see a wisp (wireless internet service provider) growing in a city like new York with well established existing infrastructure. cool none the less.

[@chrislanejones]

This is awesome, I would love to set up a mesh network in Louisa, VA. Most of the town does not have internet... And we are two hours from DC.

[@___echo___]

@corey Babcock my experience with lte has been shoddy at best, I had a lot of lag spikes during gaming, and short cut outs during video calls, though I don't know what its like at other locations

[@benja2a]

Me: "So it double the capacity? My ISP: "Yeah, I'm not even exaggerating"

[@Napstone]

And the more people add their node to the mesh, the stronger it gets! Decentralization baby!

[@finnrowden3341]

I LOVE THIS PROJECT

[@KAMI__KITSUNEE]

^this

[@Kenabukanyo]

Are you friggin' kiddin' me ? Neighborhood networks appeared like mushrooms after the rain in Romania's 90's and 00's .. They became obsolete when the big corps bought them all and preserved the same prices . I'm glad it becomes a thing now , but abroad this time .

[@LimitedWard]

That's not how we do things in the US. If big corps want mesh networks gone, they'll just send over their lobbyists to regulate them out of existence!

[@Eye-it-azz]

You think this thing will see the light of day in any US City

[@AdamBedell]

@@Eye-it-azz there already are other cities (like detroit) ... and a fair amount of private rural mini meshes exist out there

[@bharatpenumutchu6487]

Really curious about Backhaul speeds between a Root AP and Mesh AP (1 Hop setup).

[@thomascrabtree]

They use 60GHz links for the backhaul, you can see the Ubiquity equipment in the video, it's quite cheap actually.

[@derrickforeal]

@@thomascrabtree correct

[@papusa9878]

@@thomascrabtree how much dbm

[@freedomf1ghter77]

This is so admirable, Im so glad great people exist.

[@Mr--_--M]

I love this!!! I only hope that he's being preemptive in countering the big tech providers(Verizon and Comcast) who aren't strangers to lobbying and taking independent Internet movements through the courts to suck them dry. They only like each other as competition.

[@AdamBedell]

We got a place in Blissville between sunnyside and greenpoint with a large rooftop mast we installed. Would love to see if can offer a node. So wonderful seeing growth of #nycmesh ... you people are making a real difference. Thank you.

[@arnavjindal3021]

Make this a worldwide organization (volunteered), helping other groups (in other parts of world) facing same issues, ramp up such meshes easily.... loved the docs on website though.

[@uuuu260]

How do I start this in a different location than NYC? This is cool, I’m very interested in doing this

[@peaceloverchap]

Internet is the fundamental rights of human being like water, electricity, gas. Kudos to the NYC mesh team to take completely different route and refraining from corporate greed.

[@dilbyjones]

Thank you motherboard for picking this up.

[@dosadoodle]

Wow, I just checked their site: Free with a suggested donation. That is, free for both installation (recommended donation of $290) and monthly service fee (no specific donation recommended). Heck dudes, if I was in NYC, you could have my same Comcast fees to help the organization expand faster, because screw the corporate a-holes from Comcast (oh, sorry, _XFINITY_), Time Warner, Charter, etc that have tried to maintain their localized monopolies. Edit: added "localized" before "monopolies".

[@bc5891]

I want to host my own internet for myself and neighbors since we have nothing great for internet here. The problem i am having is the cost for fiber buildout. We have 2 good fiber companies I'd like to use but the build out they claim will cost over $100k to bring fiber 1 mile.

[@akash-zg4vj]

One easier method is take a spot closer to their drop and then wireless your haul to your dc

[@kinanhamwi]

Dealing with amazing people working in this industry on a daily basis, I can say that I'm happy this is reaching mainstream media finally Hoping that connectivity as a human right is not something far from our reach

[@jamesjones2212]

In Norway internet is a fundamental human right and thus subsides by the govt to ensure everyone has it.

[@Soraviel]

Same here in the UK

[@skydivekrazy76]

Such an underrated and awesome thing. Thank you for making the world that much brighter.

[@ansik_]

What sort of speeds are the endusers looking at with this service?

[@AdamBedell]

Gonna depend on a lot of variables, like is your building getting a full fiber, you grabbing from a neighbor, etc... but def much faster than crappy dsl where verizon doesnt offer fios and no cable offered. Like 50+Mbps

[@marcusaureliusepictetus7905]

I would think under 100 mps

[@grandpaseed]

good on you we need to take care of each other because no one else will even if we pay them to do it.

[@fairinternet]

Bravo NYCMesh! Love to support your project and help spread the word!

[@KhanSharief]

I really love watching content like this, I am also small internet provider in our place.

[@olagunjujoseph213]

Please give us more of still connecting

[@StevieCooper]

I’d really like to share my home internet with my neighbours as I have more bandwidth than I need most of the time. I’m worried about someone downloading illegal content and it being traced to me. It’s a shame, I live in a very high density area. Id happily pay for it for the common good.

[@jonathanmajdi9126]

If you do set up guest networks or VLANs to separate your main network from the shared one.

[@collodionpositive554]

Keep records and connection logs, not saying log traffic or DNS requests but that should be enough if anything did happen you can prove you're not the sole user of the connection.

[@dearestdennis]

I was wondering this whole time : “Are these landlords just allowing roof access for free, or does NYC Mesh have a profit sharing agreement?” I hope to see them easily be able to give internet to each apartment in a building. Would be great to stick it to cable and use Ethernet over coax / MoCA.

[@CrystalStearOfTheCas]

It's a shame that volunteers are needed. You guys really have a third world infrastructure and predatorial practices. Here in France, fiber is 20-30 euros a months MAX. Not even a "socialized" policy, just healthy and fair competition brought the prices down.

[@samdelucia5074]

size matters. for example, the state of Texas is bigger than all of France.

[@Eye-it-azz]

Third world infrastructure in America ? And you’re from France 😂 Dude, the technology and infrastructure we had 100 years ago is still far superior than anything France will ever accomplish. We’ve been to every planet in the universe, every company including technology and infrastructure is located in America, we built cars that could drive themselves, we have a helicopter on the planet of Mars France, France of all places 😂, dude, you’re a comedian. Every aspect of technology on earth was made by us, shut up.

[@thinnedpaints6503]

@@Eye-it-azz Bro, what u smoking lmao

[@Eye-it-azz]

@@thinnedpaints6503 What am i smoking on for stating facts ?

[@Shuvojit69]

@@Eye-it-azz what's ur data speed and how much you pay mate? And where you are from.

[@mlceesay1012]

I am really impressed with your hard work bro... I am from the Gambia 🇬🇲 (West Africa)... We have the #worst and most #expensive internet in Africa... I wish to have you and your team the #Gambia 🇬🇲

[@falconeagle3655]

Excellent project. Love this.

[@YHK_YT]

Hope one day I can setup something like this in my own country cuz ISP’s have a huge monopoly

[@enriquemuhammad]

Indonesia?

[@AhmadAinunNajib-IyyanF]

@@enriquemuhammad not indonesia if you are on 'great location' which is possible to have 3+ ISP's around the corner

[@jacobcec]

i would like to understand more of how a mesh network works and contribute in any way i can, is there a discord for nyc mesh?

[@Prabeen-Raj]

End screen with all the languages is nice

[@dorb1337]

Great enterprise! Wish it would spread all over the globe

[@jannamwatson]

Never heard of this before! Looking forward to the follow-ups!

[@lisa._.the._.lovely]

Can this come to like other parts of the country too????!

[@jayflores1185]

Can this please come to texas

[@igeekone]

It can be done anywhere you have access to a fast backhaul connection. They're using unlicensed spectrum with commodity Ubiquiti point-to-point equipment.

[@MikePowlas]

W have set up many in NC.

[@cedivad]

This is beautiful, but I don't understand how regular wifi isn't saturated if you're using it for backbone links? I saw the mmwave antennas but not every installation had it.

[@Rey_R_]

In Indonesia, if you are not in the mainland of Java, there is only one state-owned ISP which provides 20 Mbps for eqv. USD27 and 400GB FUP with many intermittent problems every single month. They ban this kind of thing where you share your internet with people.

[@ikiyytours2320]

Wow...am amazed with what you guys are doing?

[@Soraviel]

The internet is literally cables and servers commutating with eachother. The world wide Web is the websites and web pages we see on our screens (every time we visit them).

[@zandatsu07]

I love their Place,seems like if your Internet has been lost there's a troubleshooter that you can Call anytime

[@WilliamShinal]

Table Top, the local ISP in Seligman, unwittingly got themselves a monopoly after Verizon decided they didn't want to go through the trouble of supplying a rural area. Thankfully we have Starlink, but your efforts in New York are still most commendable, and very necessary to combat the greed of ISPs.

[@phanCAbe]

A few things... 1. More people need to hear about this. 2. There needs to be an easy way to donate. 3. There needs to be a training program for high school kids and kits for young people to get this going. Those three things would turn this into an unstoppable movement in cities nationwide. The problem would then be to keep it pure and out of the hands of the big ISPs because the only reason this still exists is because it's tiny and the ISPs don't care yet.

[@lu4414]

I like how some stuff (2 weeks with no internet) that happens in the US is outright illegal in developing countries.

[@IvanAkinfiev]

Name one law in one country that makes turning the internet off illegal

[@LouisSubearth]

@@IvanAkinfiev I think he means as in it's illegal for ISPs to not repair blackouts after a certain amount of time because of consumer protection laws (failure to provide service one pays for)

[@narayanjeev]

My ISP, charges a 5% premium over other ISPs but guarantees a two hour resolution of any downtime, cables, routers, it's all covered.

[@lu4414]

@@LouisSubearth precisely it.

[@VjSky]

Belgrade, Serbia had this 15 years ago

[@paubal1212]

I have a question: what about security? I'm a network engineer student and it looks a little bit scary... Sharing my home internet?! I could do it but there must be a firewall or something...

[@Bet0usky99]

I don't know why I feel like you could be part of a comic book. You are so cool!

[@jamesorson3872]

Is there a tutorials that we can follow. In our county we have a slow internet connection and signals.

[@narayanjeev]

So let's say a couple of people have a few torrents running, or are streaming 4K videos on a couple of devices, what does that do to everybody else who's on the shared node ?

[@NYCMesh]

That's asked a lot but it actually hasn't been a problem. We're always working on increasing our bandwidth.

[@MikePowlas]

It is called traffic shaping on each CPE. So that will not be a problem.

[@UE5n00b]

But who gives you access to the net? i mean the servers only has a super high cost and also how do you make yourself a provider? do the users have static ip or they share the public use of a big one or they just randomly get one?

[@NYCMesh]

We peer through an Internet Exchange Point (IXP). Peering is free. We also have donated transit and IXP connections in the data centers. We actually pay nothing for bandwidth at the moment. Bandwidth is cheap in data centers and we may have to pay in the future. We can give you a static IP if you really need it but generally you get a 10.x private address.

[@UE5n00b]

Over here aside of fiber optic which is the common thing, cable, dsl we have WiMax that looks like those antenas.

[@harimomchilov9395]

Hey, I'm from the other side of the world and I love this work. I have one question! When the weather is really bad ( I know in NYC tends to snow a lot and rain aswell) how does that affect the signal? What equipment is being used to mitigate those environmental effects?

[@NYCMesh]

Our sector antennas are 5 GHz which is fine in the rain. Our gigabit backhaul is 60 and 24 GHz which is affected by rain. We set up lots of redundant connections so if the 60 GHz goes down there will be a 5Ghz backup connection to take over. Also we try to keep distances short on the 60 GHz.

[@gesnow]

Your using some Unifi equipment very cool.

[@emmanuellysir9401]

Amezing content...

[@houseplant1016]

*Amazing

[@igvloso]

I love those ameizing contents too, bro.

[@LimitedWard]

*Ameshing

[@igvloso]

@@LimitedWard 😂😂😂 you got the spirit!

[@rizkiadipratama8031]

If it is in Indonesia, it's called as RT-RW Net, or Neighborhood-Net

[@mosh1986]

i don't understand, does you subscribe to a fiber broadband and mesh it all over or what? i want to replicate it in my city.

[@gesnow]

would love to know the wireless equipment being used.

[@accesser]

ubiquiti, I have quite a bit myself

[@FaiyazC]

I mean great but tmobile 5g already has 300 mbp speeds for home where I live in queens.

[@thegreenguy8837]

That is awesome! Loving it.

[@islantay5795]

I hope to see more orgs like this come up all of the world. I hope my city could have an organization like this then I can join.

[@georgertheexplorer4114]

I wish there was something like this for rural areas. Verizon was the only provider in my area for at least a decade, and they continued to raise prices and never repair broken lines. It was copper wire, so on a good day I could get 5 mbps with outages every hour or so.

[@MikePowlas]

It can be start one of your own.

[@monfrezo]

will the outdoors antenna-setup withstand storm weather conditions?

[@MikePowlas]

Yes.

[@carlosaruiz7105]

Their using UniFi APs I wonder if they manage all of these on a single controller or multiple Controllers for regions

[@NYCMesh]

We use a lot of airMax / UISP with about 1000 devices. We also have about 50 unifi APs spread across two controllers. It's easy to swap sites in the one controller.

[@MikePowlas]

@@NYCMesh We use UISP and it works great.

[@NirvanaFan5000]

this is great. wish we had this in Seattle. I think a LOT of people would sign up. and lots of tech-savvy people around. ... cause really, screw comcast and the rest. biggest red flag is that the industry sells their plans by a *maximum* speed instead of a *minimum* speed.

[@alexjones1017]

Yes! Same in the Bay Area. This is super needed

[@mr_ice117]

I would love to help, im obsessed with network infrastructure but i dont have the experience. This would honestly be the next best thing and i would be so happy to be a part of it

[@NYCMesh]

We train people! Many of us had no network experience before starting

[@FarhanRafik]

What is the Ping like?

[@papusa9878]

Ip/config

[@drankenstein5241]

Wow I love in Washington Heights but I don't have internet only on my phone plan I'm gonna look into this mesh thing I'm gonna need it for School when I start hopefully it's available up here. This is so awesome 😎

[@michaeljones5681]

I feel traditional providers failing to keep up is the same reason why Africa has some of the best connectivity and that Is that og providers have tonnes of equipment that cost a lot and scrapping it all and starting again isn't a feasible option. This NYC mesh is starting with the newer technology and can set it up in a way that the of providers currently can't.

[@huntermaxwell3086]

I ❤️NYC MESH!!!

[@courageousteen1734]

Just curious about consumer protection law of America??? Because one time I loss my internet connection and the provider failed to fixed my internet for 1 week. I called the office on the 8th day of no internet threatening them that i gonna report them to National Telecommunications Authority if they not fix my internet as soon as possible. The same day they sent a technician and they gave me a 3 months charge free internet lol.

[@nwolfe1990]

Does everyone on this system share the same public IP or do they each get their own public IP?

[@francocastilloAR]

They must have an ipv6 block assigned as if they were an ISP.

[@MarkWellsindxgo]

Reminds me of what they're doing in Cuba for internet

[@capone_rd_809]

how fast is the connection and how secure is the connection ?

[@NYCMesh]

Average speed is around 80 Mbps up and down. We use standard encryption and firewalls

[@Elizaelpr]

What about the security of de network?

[@RuhulAmin-xq3bh]

Is it available in bronx borough?

[@HatiaArms]

Gr8 work, keep it up👍👍

[@Calypso993]

maybe wireless doesnt have the low latency of fiber but at least it cant be taken down by a bus... i reckon that would need to be a very tall bus.

[@NYCMesh]

Our latency is between 4 to 10 milliseconds, which is pretty good. With peering, our routes are pretty direct.

[@Scratchofftiliwin39]

I think it's funny when they say these guys are volunteers someone's making money here! No-doubt-about-it

[@NYCMesh]

Sorry, but we are a non-profit with no employees. This will change soon as we are taking on some huge projects that will require employees.

[@Scratchofftiliwin39]

@@NYCMesh that's great more power to you guys

[@YaoiSupporter000]

I wish I could help out. I’m not even from New York but I do live on the east coast. I’d be great to do work that helps others.

[@zebilonmarunyane6621]

This is amazing 👍🏾

[@endyrendy92]

how about regulation in NYC?? Is it ok to create a mesh network and share the bandwidth from intermet service provider?? if the answer is yes, that awesome.. in our country indonesia (bali), we can't do that because of strict of regulation from communication goverment.. proud of you guys..

[@francocastilloAR]

There is no internet provider in between.

[@jaycee320]

Amazing stuff 🙂 hope you reach the whole of the US.. or better all over the world 🌎

[@hamptoncarr8630]

This is a start to a solution to a much greater problem. One day, hopefully, the "mesh" will be so widespread that it's connection to the contemporary "internet" can be severed, and the "mesh" will BE the NEW internet.

[@francocastilloAR]

Yes!!

[@arntxy]

I tried to set this up in Brazil but theres so many taxes and legal stuff that i had to gave up.

[@JyoPari]

Awesome, very impressive!

[@antoniocastaneda3347]

I feel like this would be an amazing concept to do here in the city

[@blackline84]

would love to donate to this project

[@JohnySilverhand]

Great one🔥🔥

[@phillipcoplen8051]

UniFi is the backbone for so many of there services

[@Yetus]

I’d be interested in integrating a network similar to Helium that provides access points with directional long range wifi antennas. As a first generation immigrant child (US citizen), I did not have privilege of having home internet via paying for ISP - we were very poor and often barely had enough to pay bills or eat. I learned about long range wifi and used an antenna I built myself to get wifi from a public library or McDonald’s that were both 5-10km away. I have drawn up a few schematics, I’m a physician through schooling but a network architect by trade - I would love to share my vision of a faster more efficient/secure/encrypted network for the general public, especially those who cannot afford ISP broadband.

[@thegreenguy8837]

I d also be interested in setting something like this up.

[@AsbinLeo]

How about the firewall though ? 🤔

[@MikePowlas]

The routers has that in their firmware.

[@aleksandermagda8412]

Every time I see video like this I think I'm living in some sort of safe bubble. Gosh, in Europe we dont have such problems, no internet is like a third world for us, even smallest villages here have fast and cheap internet. Its really scary how things look in USA :(

[@sjuvanet]

it's not nearly as bad as it seems. usa has some isp problems, but in places like nyc most people have the ability to get wifi. the place i'm staying at has nyc mesh and 100+ private wifi routers

[@samthingvlog888]

All is ubiquiti product can i ask which router you use that can handle thousands of PPPOE client.

[@horacewonghy]

Does it has static ip plan?

[@NYCMesh]

static IP is optional. Not many people need it

[@blackumbrella6199]

What models of the HP laptop is that?

[@anamulhaque2238]

HP Spectre

[@blackumbrella6199]

@@anamulhaque2238 Thank you sir!

[@letsbuildseries]

Shouldn't admit which is your Node. Also, should look at Particle Schematics from the Xenons they made.

[@DebdutBiswasOnline]

awesome 1 year back I wanted to do that, but in india there are no community like that in my neighborhood or city even I wanted to build myself noone came....