Building My ULTIMATE Linux Workstation

[@TechnoTim]

I also tested with Geekbench 5 since 6 is optimized for realistic end-user workloads, which is the metric I am interested in for a workstation. The Core Ultra 7 265K was 100% faster than the Apple M2 Max. I didn't expect that much of a gap and turns out that 6 is a better benchmark for my testing. * Apple M2 Max - 1,760 / 12,948 * Intel Core Ultra 7 265K - 2,532/25,622

[@satr14-tech]

lookin good

[@jokalee]

Fedora?👀🐧

[@HontasFarmer80]

Using Ubuntu is just right. IMHO most people should go with the distros NVIDIA releases CUDA for, Ubuntu, Fedora, RHEL etc. With whatever desktop environment they like. Then just use linux. No need for everyone to use Arch.

[@BlackHatHacker77]

I see Linux, i upvote

[@k9elli]

What is the CLI command for that?

[@coltclassic45]

Four chrome tabs?!?! He's a madman, A MADMAN!

[@wils0nbg]

do you mean 4-hundred? ^_^

[@dllemm]

@@wils0nbg less funny

[@LordApophis100]

Given how few Core Ultra Intel is selling this build might end up in a museum.

[@sandrodach290]

🤣🤣

[@ChristopherHailey]

The one thing all Linux users can agree on is that everyone else is running the wrong distro. I'm running Rocky Linux for my reasons and you should run whatever for your reasons.

[@Monarchias]

I'm not sure what is this wrong distro thing/joke, but I started to wonder, can Lubuntu do whatever an Ubuntu distro can? In my speculative opinion it should, right? For example, learning docker and other of those things should work as fine as if I would do on a proper Ubuntu, instead of Lub*! And vice versa. I am still exploring this/these realm(s)!

[@ChristopherHailey]

@@Monarchias Hi long-time Linux user here, since the '90s. Anyway, yeah, the "your distro sucks" thing has kind of gotten to meme level and a lot of it is really just people joking. Each distro has it's own purpose, it's all the same stuff, it's just some of the details for the most part. e.g. Lubuntu tries to be more lightweight than Ubuntu e.g. the desktop, Ubuntu uses Gnome, which is think is pretty awful (IHMO) so they take off some of the "bloat" but you could tweak Lubuntu into Ubuntu if you desire, it's just trying to make life easy. There are other things Ubuntu does that people don't like, so you get similar distros like MX and Mint which are very similar but one is off of Ubuntu, which is off of Debian but MX is straight off of Debian. The most popular "base" distros types are Debian and Red Hat and I have worked more on the Red Hat side and prefer Rocky Linux which is based off of Red Hat and I also find it more stable than Debian based distros. So it depends on what you are trying to do and how much you want to put into it. That's the real difference. I hope this was helpful.

[@FlexibleToast]

I wish we could all agree to not run Rocky. Use Alma, a group that actually contributes upstream instead of just copying Red Hat's homework.

[@dllemm]

@@FlexibleToast I love your intentions, but it really depends on your purpose and end goals. Some of us are corporate drones, so compatibility is #1. Some companies force code contrib agreements, so we couldn't if we wanted to.

[@ChristopherHailey]

@@FlexibleToast Rocky Linux and AlamaLinux both took over where CentOS (and Scientific Linux) left off. Like when there was Scientific Linux and CentOS there are these two which are essentially the same there is a slight difference in how they handle being downstream. Like most distros, they are downstream distros, like Ubuntu. I spent decades working with Red Hat Linux, and that is truthfully part of my preference. I've worked with Red Hat and CentOS and worked with and contributed to Fedora and other initiatives. Unless you are joking (I hope you are) then you are displaying the kind of thing he was talking about in the video by saying that nonsense.

[@najorin]

Wait - you didn’t go over how you’ve connected up the display! Over the network? Really long cable? I gotta know, Tim!

[@brianwilliams6113]

I get the feeling this video was specifically a micro center ad. I’m not sure I could have designed a worse system if I tried.

[@Sithhy]

His parts choices are... questionable, even for a workstation

[@Fufu_vr]

3:05 didn't peal the plastic foil from the thermal pad!

[@TechnoTim]

@@Fufu_vr good eye!

[@SamDaaEpic]

I'm a simple man, If I see linux in a techno tim video, I click on it without a second about what I'm doing right now.

[@BladeWDR]

Did you consider going AMD on the CPU side? Was it just a pricing decision? Also, you should check out KDE as an alternative desktop environment - much nicer than Gnome in my opinion and much more customizable.

[@TechnoTim]

It was price, performance, power, heat and of course familiarity really. I’ll check out Kubuntu again, it’s been a long time!

[@zekezander]

I second KDE. Plasma 6.1 is really nice. I'm typing this on kubuntu 20.10 right now. Your DE is entirely personal preference, but I prefer having more options for customization and for the DE to not have opinions on the "right" way to do things like gnome tends to.

[@thegreyfuzz]

Only change I would have made was going to a 4060ti 16G vs the 3060 12G... a little extra headroom for running larger AI image and LLM models. Other than that looks like a nice rig!

[@blazebox71]

i was thinking the same for the price a new 3060 cost him. A 4060ti 16bg should be around the sameish price and should be better value

[@calvin_thefreak]

​@@blazebox71 same here, went for an 4060ti 16G with an AMD Threadripper 32C/64T Most stuff happens at the CPU and RAM for me... Just saying, would definitively recommend this card over the one Tim choose.

[@calvin_thefreak]

I use all the RAM, mostly ZFS. But rather would use something that can handle 150G+ RAM.

[@TheCapturetheBomb]

Neat little coincidence of the Santa Clara Micro Center link ending in xkcd, like the web comic.

[@marksulloway5669]

Nice overview. For a slight noise reduction, swap out the 14mm thick Noctua CPU cooler fan for the Noctua A9x25 fan. Its max RPM is 2,000 instead of 2,500 and eliminates the distinct whine from the stock fan on this cooler when running at max RPM. Noctua cleverly designed the cooler so that the included fan clips work with either 14 or 25 mm thick CPU cooler fans.

[@psknn]

It has felt to me like there's not as many homelab channels by people who intend to actually use their labs to build/compile software, at least from the few channels I've sampled. It's nice to see some focus on software development.

[@DrDingus]

Why the intel core ultra over a Ryzen 9950X? 9950X scores higher in multi-core benchmarks and you don't have to deal with different types of cores in linux like you do with the core ultra. Just wondering if I am missing something.

[@TechnoTim]

@@DrDingus half the price and I get the same real world perf for what I use it for. Newer kernels can take advantage of e/p cores too, Ubuntu does.

[@DrDingus]

@@TechnoTim Good to know! Thanks!

[@DavidStruveDesigns]

I'm so jealous that you guys in America still have stores like Micro Center - the ONLY computer store in my entire town (of well over 200,000 people) recently stopped stocking ANY internal computer components whatsoever, forcing you to only to be able to buy them online. Which some like, but I personally absolutely hate for both convenience AND the security of knowing I am actually getting what I paid for (and easy quick returns if there are issues). I am a bit surprised that you went with a 30 series GPU rather than a 40 series, considering the extra money you spent on the CPU. Especially as some of the 40 series actually come with even MORE VRAM than your 3060 card.

[@Texas_Radical]

Ive shopped at microcenter from day 1. I grew up in Columbus Ohio where the 1st store is. I now live in Texas and we have them here as well. its a great store and the staff is always polite and helpful. they take pleasure in knowing their stuff and helping with their knowledge. they also sell online on their website. I recently just put a new gaming rig together from there. I9 64GB DDR5 4TB M.2 and a 4070 OC $1200 out the door. and the guy picked out other parts brands from what i had seen to keep all the same specs but save me a ton of cash with sale and bundle deals.

[@the_thunder_god]

I switched to Manjaro on my gaming desktop a couple of weeks ago. I setup dual booting with Windows 10, but I've only briefly gone back to get settings from certain programs. I am very happy so far. 4 chrome tabs...I think my smallest firefox window has more than that. I personally would have gone with at least a 16GB GPU for AI. If you get into image generation at all, 16GB is basically minimum for the newest models. As I have only 12GB on my AMD 6700XT, I run into limitations. The biggest one though is the lack of support for AMD when it comes to AI.

[@novellahub]

The St. Louis Park Microcenter is fantastic!

[@tellus.aflame]

"Time to test. ...and even using browser". Much wow Linux workstation pushed to it's limits with browser. Crazy stuff.

[@BLiNKx86]

Great build! And im happy to have the validation that I bought the right gpu for playing around with LLMs in my homelab.

[@TechnoTim]

@@BLiNKx86 it’s the best value right now for LLMs, the next jump up from 12GB is expensive!

[@Shudgum]

hi Tim, interesting choice to go for 3060, you don't think it will be underpowered for big LLM tasks and ML? what about inetl arc a770 it has 16gb? or the new b580?

[@richi_409]

Nice, always great to see new people joining the linux-desktop community. I think ubuntu is a solid choice. I however prefer to use Debian because of the snaps and the bloatware ubuntu ships by default. Really excited about the new linux videos. :D

[@ivanmaglica264]

Yes, rack build! That's how real dev machines are built! Massive upvote for picking Linux, it's a no-brainer for AI dev, or any dev these days.

[@mrosebro]

i actually smiled when u said u used ubuntu desktop. my home server is proxmox, and under that most of it is ubuntu, and under that as much as possible is docker. i actually have proxmox running 3 vm's, ubuntu is the main, home assistant OS is the 2nd, and i have a 3rd running a lancache install... because it needed some, what i will call "individually unique" dns settings, so it had to be seperate. nothing wrong with using ubuntu desktop - it works, it's easy to update, and having a graphics server makes trouble shooting easier.

[@gaidin]

Good choice with Ubuntu. After weeks of messing around with Debian, Fedora and various Arch distros....only Linux Mint and K/Ubuntu were simple to stand up with my 4080S and actually work.

[@physbuzz]

A word of warning about "leaving room for the future" with regards to memory on the newest platform: For DDR5 it seems to be especially important to check that your motherboard is specifically OK'd with your memory! Check the QVL (qualified vendors list). I didn't do this, and bought two sets of 2x32GB thinking that fine, worst case it just won't run with XMP enabled. Nope, didn't run at any timings and I tried a lot! Several days of overclocking/underclocking/BIOS updates and many runs of memtest later, I bought 4 sticks (128gb) of RAM from the QVL and it passed memtest and has been working perfectly with xmp enabled. So if you upgrade by buying two more sticks of RAM of the same brand, make sure the return policy is really good and make sure to run memtest! You probably want 4 sticks from the QVL from the get go if you want to go 128gb. I corrupted 2 or 3 installs of Windows before I figured out the memory only half-worked. Never had that happen before, I've always been able to wing it in the past.

[@TechnoTim]

Thank you! Maybe I will just make the jumpt to 128 GB now!

[@physbuzz]

@@TechnoTim Glad to help! I might as well give the parts list (this is the parts list that *did not* work): Intel Core Ultra 265k 2x set Team Group T-CREATE EXPERT 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000 ASRock Z890 Steel Legend WiFi And to be clear the team group RAM worked perfectly when it was just two sticks, it's good RAM just not on the QVL for a 4x32gb config. Kingston fury KF552C40BBK4-128 is in my system now, no memtest errors, works great.

[@esra_erimez]

Watching on my HP z640 Linux workstation. Well done.

[@ewenchan1239]

Great stuff!!!

[@paulwoodward8265]

Be interesting how you get on. Latest Ubuntu seems to be heavily pushing snaps, which I don’t like. You can get strange fights between snap and apt if you’re not careful. I’m old school so prefer the apt packages, and so i prefer Debian or Raspberry Pi OS or Mint for my desktops. Good work though, look forward to a longer term review!

[@TechnoTim]

Yeah, going to cover that in my software setup on this machine soon!

[@differentmoves]

Cool build! FWIW, since you're probably tucking that rack away and treating it like a remote development machine, you can get a little more performance with the ubuntu server vs the desktop version. Totally depends on your setup of course, but for me it was a 10-20% boost across the board.

[@Byrthor]

Very nice build. Is there a reason why you chose the 265k over one of the Ryzen 7/9s?

[@TechnoTim]

Price and preference really. Both are great options plus I get QuickSync!

[@ronm6585]

Nice! Thanks Tim.

[@ju57j0hnny]

Great vid man!

[@GreatestAverageMan]

I didn't go so far with the hardware, but I recently built a linux development machine as well. I went with debian for the distro because of it's stability, but I like the looks of Ubuntu. I found a video that shows how to make debian look like ubuntu. Now I get the best of both worlds! It's super fast. I did max out the ram with 128GB of ram, but used a ryzen 7 CPU and NVIDIA 3050 for the graphics. I do play video games on it as well though. Since steam has proton, now, playing games is much easier.

[@NFvidoJagg2]

Solid build! The one point on the OS I would make. Given how new that CPU is, if your not on the latest stable kernel, you might want to also give that a try. Just to see if you can pull even more performance out of it. Looks like your on the Ubuntu LTS, and I'm not sure how good they are at pulling stuff back for newer hardware.

[@TechnoTim]

Thank you! That's a good point, I might go latest / edge. I am so use to running LTS on everything maybe I need to live a little 😅

[@jokinboken]

Linux for the win - can't wait to view this!

[@JeanFrancoCaringi]

amazing results! just one question: why not take advantage of PROXMOX and deploy your development environment with VMs/ansible/terraform?

[@amp888]

Any reason you didn't go for a platform that supports ECC memory?

[@TechnoTim]

That's a great question and I ashamed to say I didn't even consider it for my workstation. I use it in all of my servers but really it slipped my mind when building this machine since I have been building computers for years without it. The board and ram would have cost considerably more though. Maybe in my next build! Thanks for the reminder that ECC is thing now on end user machines :)

[@Jims-Garage]

DDR5 has half ECC, so it's better than nothing. I have no concerns about running a workstation on non-ecc (especially with DDR5).

[@tylerkantor3469]

Nice job!

[@adriaanbakker3724]

Welcome to the club!

[@emf7301]

I've found PopOS to be a better than Ubuntu for newer kernels and hybrid graphics support while still staying in the Ubuntu/apt ecosystem. Give it a shot!

[@biopawutube]

How would using older A5000 with 24G vram compare with 3060? How could we memory page the 3060 or 4060 using memory tieriny with nvme using VMware ?

[@iamutba]

Great video! Are you planning to use this workstation alongside your Mac Studio, or will it be your primary workstation?

[@joshhaas8121]

Central Computer for life! (in the bay at least)

[@JohanAntonissen]

great! I just entered the market for a linux pc for llms. I however want to keep the option open for a second video card, what motherboard would you suggest for that ?

[@markmorati8986]

excellent video for explaining your choices. With respect to right or wrong distros, one should go with whichever is comfortable with to get his job done (for me is gentoo). It really puts me off when people insist on specific distros. A couple of questions (you may consider fo future videos): 1. I think ubuntu uses generic binaries, will there be any advantage to consider a distro with x86_64 v3 optimized binaries for performance (for example opensuse)? 2. My 3060 gave me a black screen after ubuntu install as a quirk (i had to boot in safe graphics and install the drivers), did your install work out of the box? 3. In ubuntu there are a few nvidia driver options, which one do you choose and why? 4. An aspect that may put some people off from using ubuntu, is the snap framework for applications. What is your take on this? Also, what is your approach, that is how do you choose the apps from snaps vs apt or ppa? By the way I had great trouble running freecad with nvidia on ubuntu.

[@Shirosak1]

When I saw the title, I actually thought you were building a Threadripper system 🤔

[@TechnoTim]

@@Shirosak1 nah, too expensive, power hungry, and too much heat for what I am using this for

[@Shirosak1]

​@@TechnoTimah I see. It's a very solid platform, with a solid OS. I think I'll be pretty happy.

[@MrZiemwit]

vscode in FHD ;) this video was not for production stuff

[@TechnoTim]

Ha! A 4K desktop is really hard to see on mobile. I usually have to optmize for that.

[@deano_s2k]

Great work

[@hotstovejer]

Is there a reason you went Intel instead of AMD? Threadripper seems perfect for the use case, and has more PCIE lanes.

[@filmboy18]

Even 1st gen Threadriper is in a completely different price bracket never mind latest gen stuff plus it's very power hungry and does not suit the needs he listed. Threadripper is good for homelab servers where you need a ton of pcie lanes and are running multiple vm's with gpu's passed through.

[@TazzSmk]

decent build Tim! I wonder, why not some tower type Noctua cooler (for more straightforward airflow through case) and why not 16GB RTX4060Ti (more vram and better RT/AI performance than 12GB 3060) ? cheers

[@donaldwilliams6821]

Re: ubuntu Linux is about freedom of choice so use what works for you. Still better than Windoze (or MAC imho)

[@ronwatkins5775]

It sucks that the nearest Microcenter is 7 hours away.

[@codeman99-dev]

If you like Ubuntu, does the job without getting in your way... go for it. Personally I'll take Pop!_OS by System76. My next choice would be Debian. Namely because I'll be interacting with apt for container usage anyway, so why not make that package manager a first class citizen in my life? I also really like Rocky Linux & VOID for various reasons.

[@flhrci1]

Just 4 chrome tabs? :) Pushing the limits!

[@awesomearizona-dino]

This will be good, my coffee is ready.

[@isaacstyles92]

Why not ECC memory, since this is for development?

[@IEnjoyCreatingVideos]

Good video Tim! Thanks for sharing it with us' and Merry Christmas to you and the family 💖👍😎JP

[@pouf-dk3nq]

I use ubuntu as well, nice choice of cpu i've seen Level1tech do a video on it. It performed exceptionally well under linux. Funny enough my current home laptop has an i5-8350U and your single core score beat my multi core score ! I recently bought the thinkpad P16 gen 2 with an i7-14700HX and will be replacing my hp elitebook, it also has an RTX 2000 ADA which is a rebranded 4060 with quadro drivers, these run great on linux. Nice video

[@christopherprevost763]

Did you consider the 4060ti 16GB for your AI work loads? I've run into instances trying to load multiple models where 12GB just doesn't cut it.

[@TechnoTim]

Thanks! I did but I just couldn't pay that much more for 4 GB. Maybe if the price comes down after the 5xxxx series :)

[@romayojr]

the closest micro center from me is a 20 hour drive or 2.5 hours flying 🫠

[@TechnoTim]

Worth it! 😅

[@brentadkins8678]

I was at that store Saturday. Checkout line was backed up to the tv area in the back of the store

[@biopawutube]

The 4060 ti has 16G RAM. Need as much ram as possible for llm without spending a fortune. Is there a ‘budget friendly card idea card that gets above 20G

[@diabeticnomad]

I don’t think it’s fair to say any distro is better or worse than another but you use llama so I can look past it.

[@obfuscateidentity2329]

What distro is best for Ollama?

[@FlexibleToast]

Any, it runs in a container.

[@tmofpv]

whats the vscode extension that shows the intendation in a yaml file?

[@gelbphoenix]

Even if there is some "passionate" discussion about different distributions (or distros for short) Ubuntu can be and possibly is a good choice.

[@ir0ki11er]

No Proxmox Developer Workstation ?

[@meowhib]

I would do anything to have a development server. My server (being laptop) is sooooooo weak and wait minutes just for linting...

[@MANUELBAEZ1]

3 - 4 chrome tabs at the same time!!!??? 😱 can't imagine the RAM and GPUs on that monster!! 🤣🤣

[@Being_Joe]

Did a similar build a couple years back. I am running Fedora. Funny how much faster hardware runs with Linux. Too bad it does not support everything I need.

[@plagosus]

I see you scarified your finder to the gods of PC Cases, as obligatory when building a computer.

[@maddmethod5880]

> great cpu > 265k what

[@reinekewf7987]

That's a nice choice of GPU for LLM workload. it has plenty of power and enough RAM even it isn't enough this GPU uses ResizeBAR and because you're using DDR5 the performance penalty on it isn't hat hard. The raw compute power between higher models and this isn't that big, so this card is perfect for a budget but powerful LLM accelerator even the power efficiency is crap compared to actual LLM accelerators but those are expensive. I have in my Home Server a NVIDIA t400 4gb model. i know its old, but i had a power limit of 25W per PCIE slot in my Dell R630. Even this is exceeded a little with this 30W GPU. Even this is a small GPU It's extremely fast in 2B models compared to my 44 cores over the whole system. The pny NVIDIA t400 4g GPU takes twice as long as my raw CPU power, but it uses only 30w compared to 500w, power efficiency is crazy. It is fast enough for Home assistant purpose, even creating small 250x250 images is possible without touching the CPU. yeah it uses parts of my 512gb RAM as pre caching because the GPU RAM is too small, but who cares, i have more than enough and octa channel ddr3 2333ghz RAM is really fast. Am able to max out easily the PCIE 3 x16 slot for loading data into the GPU. i mean this GPU has a PCIE bandwidth of 15.5gbs and my RAM of 72gbs so yeah pre caching in RAM is no problem.

[@KVenturi]

Linux then you choose Nvidia instead of AMD GPU? That's blasphemy

[@FlexibleToast]

AMD fell behind on the AI front. I have been saying for years that would bite them in the butt and everyone laughed because it was a niche thing. Now many people are running AI on their own machines... If you're going to game on linux, AMD is the way to go. If you want to do any AI workload at all, Nvidia is the only way to go right now.

[@KVenturi]

@@FlexibleToast who the fuck does A.I locally

[@FlexibleToast]

I won't tell you that you're using the wrong distro even if it doesn't match my preference. However, I well tell you you're using the wrong VM software. VirtualBox?! Come on, you have access to a type 1 hypervisor with KVM. Use Virt Manager, or the simpler Gnome Boxes, heck you can use Cockpit with the Machines application installed for a WebUI even. You're just leaving performance on the table by not using KVM. For your OS, or even just a future video, I highly suggest you look at an immutable desktop. It's very clearly the direction Linux as a whole is heading. Fedora has Atomic Desktops, SUSE has Micro OS, Debian has some flavor, even Steam OS is based on an immutable version of Arch. I think you'll particularly like bootc. I can only speak for Fedora Atomic, it uses bootc. You are booting a container image. This means you can write your own boot image fairly easily. The community has really embraced this, and the Universal Blue group has really ran with it. I'm sure you've heard of Bazzite which is a custom image based on Fedora Atomic that UBlue created. I don't know at which point this will become the norm, but Fedora roadmaps have Atomic taking over workstation, and if I'm understanding what SUSE has said correctly, Leap 16 will be based on immutable tech by default.

[@JamesTenniswood]

Tim makes a free pc. Riveting

[@UltraFiaz]

of all the distros you could have chosen you chose Ubuntu

[@yingyang-hl4tu]

You don't have to qualify or explain why you chose Ubuntu, it's a solid choice, especially if you're into doing work with your PC instead of effin' around with the OS.

[@l0gic23]

Dang i could have been 1st but i was watching Tim's back catalog...

[@rizz0d]

i too am running the wrong linux distro (mint), and it works great for me. hahaha

[@AirborneHedgehog]

Dear Microcenter: I'd love to shop at your store. Please build one in Utah, and I'll come spend money there. KTHXBAI.

[@DJDocsVideos]

Now I know who the one guy that buys Intel Core CPUs in 2024 is 😉 I wouldn't call my mashine with a Ryzon 9950x (16 real cores) , 96 GB RAM and a Radeon 7900 XTX a workstation. It's a upper end PC. Workstations, to me, start with a Threadripper (PRO) and > 128 GB Ram. Also at least a AMD Radeon PRO W7800 on the GPU side.

[@rsisente]

I am sure Samsung has come a long way, but been bitten too many times to ever give them another shot.

[@Randoneering]

WELLLLL LOOK WHO GOT FANCY

[@klauserwin9860]

3:03 He left the foil on pad of the M.2 heatsink! Oh no!

[@TechnoTim]

@@klauserwin9860 i took it off after 😅

[@klauserwin9860]

@@TechnoTim The weirdly high temperatures would have made it apparent anyway. 😁

[@elokjerside8680]

Why why a nvidea card for GFX.........why not AMD....

[@mitchross2852]

try pop os cosmic!

[@jolness1]

Ubuntu is okay, I still harbor resentment over their shady telemetry of the past. I use it’s daddy - Debian for situations like this.

[@Mr.Leeroy]

acts like PC outperforming MAC is surprising 🤪

[@DudeItsDallyBoy]

You had me until you said ubuntu. I get it's "safe" distro, but I wish more people would use nixos or Arch as their daily system

[@popcorny007]

Me too, but it's undeniable that Nix/Arch require more effort to do the same things, for better or worse. At the end of the day you can't really fault anyone for having a preference.

[@karmic-brands]

Zoom zoom zoom Asus mobo Fck YEAH. I'm jealous, I'm squeezing downspec dinosaur hardware due to tight finances, but yeah. All gear upgrade soon as the moolah again flows in.

[@TheAsjdj]

1:14 user benchmark, dissepointed now, nothing on that site has ever been good or valid at all, I guess you used it for a quick and dirty comparison but holy hell never use it. It sucks and is known for blently using false information. It’s banned on /r/intel and /r/amd for a good reason. Also why did you go with intel? I have personally mostly seen AMD for software devs simply due to the amount of cores and just pure speed of the ipc and multicore performance There are other few things I would change personally but that is mostly just the ssd where I normally go for solidigm (former intel ssd) due to how long they last due to them being a enterprise / workstation grade drives. But that is mostly personally preference really. Also I have broken drives due to the amount of writes of project etc

[@Nick-tv5pu]

Jesus 24 pcie lanes in 2024.... what is Intel doing

[@TechnoTim]

@@Nick-tv5pu AMD only has 24 usable too for desktop class processors. They both need to offer more and not just on their server processors.

[@Nick-tv5pu]

@@TechnoTim Holy cow you're right, that explains a thing or two. Too used to my threadripper.

[@Nick-tv5pu]

​@@TechnoTim The problem is that even if they do increase PCIe lane count on these things, the most GPUs you're gonna fit on a consumer-grade board is still two. In my desktop, my 4090s are smushed right up against one another, and I had bought the most capable AM5 board I could at the time. I hate having to go with threadripper or ryzen and get 3-5 year old server parts just to be able to run more than 2 GPUs at a time.

[@TechnoTim]

For sure. It’s sad what’s happened to the desktop market when it comes to performance computing. I blame gaming because it basically signaled to manufacturers that 1 video card and 1 nvme was enough 😢

[@Nick-tv5pu]

@@TechnoTim 100%!

[@RazoBeckett.]

I see Linux I click.

[@TheLinuxCast]

But Tim, why did you choose that distro? Shoulda been Gentoo. (I kid, of course)

[@sysdrum]

Intel says Gentoo makes your mom cry if it wasn't Clear. :P

[@joebonsaipoland]

For just under $2000? Sus

[@DreamingDolphing]

To be honest Noctua cooler is overkill and overprice.

[@Aruneh]

Software developers should be forced to use 10 year old Dell desktops only, so they can learn how to optimize software. Devs have no idea the pain that normal users go through because "well it runs fine on my beastly $2000 PC!"

[@dllemm]

Unless you're self employed, that could be a huge waste of company time. Many people build business apps with massive codebases that run on server clusters. So raw performance is less of a concern, but compile time is. You can improve performance with policies, frameworks, code profilers and senior devs to review and merge commits. Also, people shouldn't be shamed for building software that requires modern hardware. Using Whisper (a machine learning transcription tool) on my generally unimpressed macbook makes my Apple Silicon run red hot.

[@Aruneh]

@@dllemm But if the software on those clusters is better optimized, you can get away with smaller clusters and thus save money for the business. But that would of course require effort, and we can't have that. Programmers nowadays are just lazy and just toss frameworks and shit at the code until it works and then ships it. They have no clue how to optimize. Server running out of RAM? Just double it, it's cheap! Enduser can't run a simple chat app because it uses 2GB RAM? Just stop being poor and buy a new computer!

[@night_h4nter]

@@Aruneh well, it seems like for now they consider dev cost higher than runtime cost

[@TechnoTim]

@@Aruneh I agree that people should test on real world devices but not write it. You don’t want to pay developers to wait because they’re expensive 😅. Also, 2k is cheap compared to business laptops and macbooks 😅

[@calvin_thefreak]

So many wrong things in this Video... AMD eould be better for Wayland and so on ... And then let's not speak about the Ubuntu and chrome shissle. Use Debian instead... Or better, because most packages are already served with the AUR: Manjaro/Endavour/Arch. But if you want to do AI stuff: 4060 16G Version.

[@Tr1pke]

Ubuntu 😢