Building the Best E-Bass Drum

[@65Drums]

I love it!

[@piratewhoisquiet]

"Who's the weird one now" I'm dying

[@raycampos7597]

Me too, that was funnny!

[@edrumsense]

Next video... "I don't like the Roland TD-50 module and I don't like the color, and I found a solution, which is to build my own TD-50 module" dam

[@Vdrumtips1]

EdrumSense I wish I would be able to do that:D

[@famitory]

building the module is a matter of finding a suitable DSP platform, either an x86 such as Intel atom, or one of the 8,000 ARM processors with number salad names, adding in an audio and trigger interface solution (just find something readymade and jam it in there) and then spend two years coding a drum firmware from scratch

[@halbgefressen9768]

@@famitory I might actually try that as a CS student and drummer

[@shadow105720]

If you just want to trigger samples and have a computer you can use, they make midi trigger inputs so you don't even need the module. Won't work standalone though

[@michaelperez5502]

I was looking for this type of build as i just got a cheap kd9 and have a spare pearl export kit - this video is goated

[@kapuchnikski]

You can pack the kick drum with a large thick blanket to remove all air and dampen both heads. Ive done this in the past when recording in a pro studio, using kick drum triggers and packing the drum to reduce volume as much as possible to avoid bled into the mics. Worked extremely well. I used Fishman Purple Microdot head mount triggers and was able to play completely naturally and silently with great control over the trigger sensitivity. Try it!

[@noonenowhere4967]

That's awesome, I'm rocking a 22" kick and lovin it.you killed it with this video. Awesome diy.

[@MikeLuke]

Stunning video, Marcel! You are the E-Drum-Guru for sure. The best E-Drum kick I ever played was the drum-tec pro S series (22“x18“), but the price is ridiculous. By the way, can you show a video how to build a table out of a Boeing 747 wheel? 🤔

[@LeToplache007]

737*

[@Vdrumtips1]

I have to try this drum-tec one aswell. My preferred table would be out of a bass drum:D

[@MacYYur4me]

Awesome experiment and great presentation.

[@Vdrumtips1]

Kevin Vitale Thanks:)

[@juannievesjr5962]

Love your video dude especially the humor and the genius

[@dye182]

Great idea I think a mesh head would keep the volume down on front and reso heads still a great diy

[@qualitybuilders5028]

That's a good idea. Just not sure how well the 2 side tape would stick. Sure some creative thought could easily lead to the solution.

[@Devon523]

Vdrum tip: to build the perfect bass drum for you’re edrums, you need only to be a rocket scientist and have friends that can machine loads of customs parts for you. Simple! 🤣

[@TomasAhlroos]

It seems like the noise is coming from the shell resonating.. so I was wondering if you could make it quieter by adding some acoustic foam or other dense material to absorb some of the noise?

[@TomasAhlroos]

For example the stuff that's used to sound proof cars could work well.

[@Vdrumtips1]

Sounds like a good idea. I definitely have to try this. Thanks

[@TomasAhlroos]

No problem. I'm curious to see if that would solve the problem.. atleast to some degree. :)

[@bruceperkins2921]

Perhaps, try a mesh resonant head and fill shell styrofoam peanuts

[@traskabraska]

your videos are *amazing*: lots of passion and creativity there

[@bastaudio]

I want a drill press in my closet now too...

[@Vdrumtips1]

Totally understandable:D

[@Zimmer2341]

Great video. Well thought out and very informative.

[@ZaxDrumsGolfandMore]

Very cool video and idea!!

[@bat6876]

Roland reminds me to Apple, PD: You did a great job,I love it

[@Vdrumtips1]

I hear that comparison a lot. There are some similarities, but I would not go as far. Roland makes all older pads compatible with the newest modules. Does apple do that? Never, each iPhone has new cables. I think apple is much worse and I know what I am talking about. I bought way to many apple products:D

[@bat6876]

Vdrum Tips Haha that’s true

[@ぐらにゅ-c8f]

Vdrum Tips I agree, I like Apple products, but I do not like Apple as a company.

[@jockmckenzie8603]

Another awesome video! You have inspired me to build my own hybrid which I have finally dialled in after many hours of messing with trigger settings. Keep up the great work.

[@Vdrumtips1]

Jock McKenzie Nice, what have you built? Is it all DIY or is it a custom mix of different components?

[@jockmckenzie8603]

@@Vdrumtips1 It started with a Tama Swingstar acoustic kit and a Roland TD 6 which I had used for practice for many years. I converted the acoustic kit with triggera triggers, drumtec mesh heads, a gibraltar drum rack, VH11 and assortment of CY cymbals as well as a cable snake from scratch to suit. I struggled for a long time with the TD6 (extended with an Alesis trigger IO) but luckily a TD12 came up for sale which I immediately bought. We dont have a big 2nd hand market is South Africa so it can be frustrating finding used modules. So now I am using the TD12 (extended with the TD6 for cymbals only) and running it all through EZ drummer 2. Will upgrade the triggera triggers at some point but it is good enough for now. Your videos were a great source of inspiration, advice and trouble shooting. Much appreciated!

[@Vdrumtips1]

@@jockmckenzie8603 Thanks for the reply. Wow, you did your homework. Is it possible to buy from the EU or the US and order it to south africa?

[@jockmckenzie8603]

@@Vdrumtips1 Yes it is possible, but the cost of shipping and import duties adds a substantial cost that is difficult to justify sometimes. For some items you have no choice but to buy for Europe or USA. I had to buy my triggers, mesh heads and some other items from Thomann as they are not available locally.

[@johndef5075]

My ebass drum consists of 20" Silentstroke head with an Evans eq patch and 2 pillows inside. Front mylar head with port hole cut into it. Roland rt10k on top of shell. Works amazingly well and feels way better than the kd80 I was using. Feels similar but better than the kd140 I tried on a td 50. Extremely quiet too. No louder than my mesh head toms.

[@CaptKewl]

Great video. Thanks for sharing. ...especially for us people who like to build and experiment with those builds.

[@ecovention]

Brilliant and a very tidy job.

[@Vdrumtips1]

ecovention Thank you, my OCD forced me to build it like this:D

[@ianmclean5541]

This guy is amazing and extremely motivated. I however am not. I just took my old Yamaha kick trigger whick has a flat pad and installed it in my kick drum using simple bracing to hold it against the mesh head. Throw some dampening in the drum and I`m good to go. It`s about a 1 hour project. Cost...$0

[@samueldette6401]

Could you please describe that a bit more detailed?

[@ianmclean5541]

@@samueldette6401 I took an old kick trigger and got rid of the stand and made bracing out of wood and attached it to the kick drum . The bracing attaches to the sides of the drum shell.

[@johndef5075]

Thats cool but the biggest thing I found after converting from an 8 inch mesh pad to a 20 inch mesh head bass drum is the overall feel. Feels way more like a real set and is easier on my knees. I have a Yamaha kp65 bass trigger on my dd65. It works great but cant match the 20" for feel and comfort.

[@likeaduckmusic]

Excellent video! Crammed with useful information. I will subscribe.

[@bongobulbul]

You´re a master. Very useful tips. Thanks for share

[@drumm3rk217]

Love the video

[@cjspencer1979]

This was a great video!! I’m interested in doing the same

[@BigChieff93]

This is amazing! Did you ever find a comparable foam at all? I'd love to try this!!! Thank you!!!

[@Bobby_Uterus]

Man it looks like you owe peter a couple beers. Nice work!

[@codylovelace2011]

Is it worth making compared to buying a kd120

[@mohammedkumkumji9081]

How did you find that speaker ring in Amazon that you referred to in 13:13?

[@silhy37]

Nice you used the velcro. I recommended it ;)

[@Vdrumtips1]

Mike Silhy Thanks for letting me know, I did not find the post anymore. Thanks again for the idea.

[@silhy37]

@@Vdrumtips1 Great video!!! The bass drum seems really responsive.

[@steveSticksE]

Wow definitely have plenty of time in your hands!! lol!! Absolutely brilliant work and it would definitely feel like a real bass drum but electric!! Maybe Roland should buy your brilliant design!! Thank you so much! I might look into your idea myself!!

[@merpmerp3815]

That's a great DIY job, but for someone like me that is not that mechanically inclined I use two Bix's by Triggera on a mesh head. I don't tighten the head too much so you can sink the beater similar to the Drum-tec. It feels great and is a much cheaper option.

[@Vdrumtips1]

merpmerp Thanks, great to hear that those triggers work.

[@Drumsholic]

Great build and with huge less money than the original and i'm sure the feel is excellent but how much noise decreased ??It is affordable to use it at home thinking for the noise ??

[@trajkokurtic6383]

6:00 aus welchen Stoff ist das denn bitte, die Weiße Oberfläche.. Schaumstoff ?

[@BCSchmerker]

+vdrumtips *Good fabrication, but I'd have started with beefier plastic:* The Evans®/D'Addario® BD20EMADHW 10+10-mil with the thick foam damper is the heaviest drumset kick batter on the market as of November 2018 for the 20" rim.

[@redpoint6870]

I love the new take you had on this video!! you sound a lot more "youtuber" like haha!!

[@Vdrumtips1]

Oh no, being a KZbin is the last thing I want to be:D

[@imwatchinya]

Very impressive! i did a similar thing with my 26" bass drum. they sold memory foam neck supports in Lidl for £6 (circular tube) so i built a bracket glued the piezo to the bracket & put the half the foam tube in front of the piezo. most drums sounds work fine within the parameters of the module but a slight few are askew with the velocity when you hit them, but hey it's DIY

[@Vdrumtips1]

Well done for building your own stuff!

[@482jpsquared]

Great job! Is the conversion for an 18" available from Roland, as you seem to indicate at 0:45 for 330 Euro? In the US only the 22" is available (the KD-A22). I'm looking for a KD-A18...

[@Vdrumtips1]

I made a mistake there, it is named wrong. There is no 18" version from Roland. I would recommend the DIY in this case:)

[@danielsan7899]

Incredible

[@Desborough_Heathen]

Would using mesh kickdrum heads have helped with the noise?

[@Vdrumtips1]

Yes, but that would defeat the purpose of this kick drum. The great feel comes from the air moving between the 2 drum heads.

[@sierratrey]

Great video! This experiment may not have worked for YOU. But I guarantee someone will watch this and get the epiphany they needed to complete THEIR experiment. Only good can come from someone else’s “failures”. That’s not the right word to describe this. I guess it’s a; “one man’s trash is another man’s treasure” sort of thing. Keep up the good work Now if only I knew a way to convert my DTX pads to mesh.......🤔😉

[@Vdrumtips1]

Exactly, that was the purpose: To show what is possible.

[@nodevit9950]

What are those round sticky things you used to raise the trigger? Excellent job. I am taking your work as inspiration and have 3d printed my own ring and have constructed my own pad. I would not have the confidence to do this without your detailed video. Thank you do much

[@danowarkills4093]

Have you tried using a port on the resonant head to let the air escape? I think the air pressure might be part of what is making it loud.

[@fastlaneproductions9738]

Well done

[@AtTheSourceStudios]

Skills man skills!

[@EqDior]

Man You are Awesome

[@alanhart2k]

Maybe try a few pillows for extra dampening?

[@Vdrumtips1]

Alan Hart That would be an idea!

[@leekirkland.musician]

I was looking for someone who must have already said that haha...it works for acoustic drums...if they are filled to much with pillows and blankets they do not project sound as well so the same must follow.

[@EmondJeremie]

What if you remove the Reso-Front Head ? Maybe cutting holes into the batter head like on the edge of dry snare skin heads ?

[@Vdrumtips1]

That defeats the purpose. The great feel comes from the closed system and the air moving in between the heads.

[@thebestyoda]

What about the atv kick drum?

[@Vdrumtips1]

thebestyoda It is an ok kick drum, but it is too loud for what it is. The rebound/feel is not amazing. I would see it at the level of the Roland KD-140. I believe the drum-tec kick drums could be better overall.

[@jamestsquid]

haha!! Love this! great job!

[@samuellouis3103]

Hey, do you think you could mount that same base trim trigger in a mesh head instead of a nylon head I have the KD 200 I think a mesh head would be quieter than a nylon

[@timslife1001]

What about just to buy small Roland RT-30K kick drum trigger?

[@Servantofthesin]

Hi ! Still an amasing channel ! I'm curious about the little damper you are using around your resonant head and how you fix it on the shell ? I want to put a similar system on my 20" front mesh kickdrum to imitate the r-drum RTS-BD.

[@Vdrumtips1]

Those dampers are from R-drums. They where left overs. I fixed them with screws and metal angles.

[@AlmightFireFly]

I have a diy converted kick drum. Just use a cloth or fabric resonant head. It holds pressure but is very quiet.

[@julsrique9148]

Three a reflection of the front and rear head because when you have parallels surfaces you have reverberation. You need to cover with fao one of the two surfaces to cancel the reflection. Cover the front one inside with half inch soft foam.

[@GheyForGames]

okay so, perhaps either fill the bass drum with something (like foam pellets or something lol) OR OORRRRR, replace the resonant head with a mesh type material?

[@SHAMYxk7]

I have a 8" mesh kick but it can only trigger properly when it was hit in the perfect center of the foam inside, my double pedal doesnt trigger it properly even after changing settings is there anyway to improve the trigger radius? Thank you!

[@MateuszManaj]

Hi Vdrum Tips, can you provide some detailed information about kd-9 foam part such as thickness of foam, thickness of rubber part and maybe material used in top (where the beater beats). Regards!

[@PLFORTE1]

Genius!

[@fpelini]

the guy with the airplane tire in his living room: 👁👄👁 “tf i do?!”

[@ShawnxEdge]

Why not use a silent mesh head on the front head.

[@venteach.6289]

do you think this will work with a 16-inch bass drum? I'm using a 4 inch foam/rubber pad from an Alesis nitro mesh kick tower, I wonder if the feel will be different

[@mobeenrehman2379]

I’m still trying to understand how the triggered sound generated by the module or through EZdrummer is going to be different if you use the KD9 or an acoustic KD converted to a V-drum like you made? Or any of the other toms versus Roland pads?

[@sinvectriJuandi354LOL]

I recently found a 14 inch acustic Tom in dump, I have two Roland kd9, one used that I bought for $50 and the other new as my kick drum, I also have a piece which converts a Tom into a kick drum, it is possible to make this convertion for 14 inch?

[@Vdrumtips1]

sure

[@Popcorn-vo7ng]

Great video bro!!!! Love your "build" videos, I want you to build me an e-drum kit!!!

[@Vdrumtips1]

Popcorn 82 Sure, what do you need?

[@Popcorn-vo7ng]

Just send me your whole kit!!! Lol

[@Popcorn-vo7ng]

But after watching your videos, I might attempt to do a A to E conversion with my Yamaha stage custom advantage

[@OthonasDrums]

Surprise surprise,the most expensive bass drum in the market is also the best :) ...As far as noise goes,have you trie filling the bass drum with soundproofing materials?Pyramid shaped foams and stuff..What material is the kd22 using in the area where the beaters hit?

[@Vdrumtips1]

ZeGRMMA Well, that was not always the case. The KD-22A has the same KD-9 surface, but Roland applied a layer of foam to the resonant head. Still very loud.

[@tristanalliston7927]

Genius

[@rickhxc]

hey man, i just made a cheap trigger with just de piezo sensor , and attached to a alesis nitro mesh kick pad, it detects obvious hits but when i go to 200-240 bpm on the kick it doesnt detect all the hits, i need a bigger piezo sensor? o what am i doing wrong, i put some foam betweenthe piezo and the rubber pad , and nothing im too poor to buy a decent trigger lel

[@刘假装-e9l]

太好了，干得真棒！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！我也照着做一个！！！！！

[@martymet]

This is genius!

[@dimisle]

Every Drumcompany now… Made real Shells for E-Drums..😂😂😂… so Drumtec was Right…. „ das Auge isst mit“ 💪🏼… weiter so

[@demonocusmetalocus3558]

You could have just put a mesh head on the front

[@Ronnytrials]

Indeed.

[@Vdrumtips1]

That defeats the purpose. The great feel comes from the closed system and the air moving in between the heads.

[@Ronnytrials]

@@Vdrumtips1 But even mesh pads has the real feel. I use a drumpad with mesh drum, and feel exaclty the same as the accoustic ones.

[@demonocusmetalocus3558]

I doubt a mesh head on the front would be gamebreaking ,i have played kits with no front head at all at gigs on my acoustic kit and i played for years with a mic hole cut in the front head,the difference in feel was not even noticeable. Most of the feel on acoustic bass drums comes from the batter head not the front head. You could also glue foam to the inside of the front head for dampening as well.

[@Vdrumtips1]

@@demonocusmetalocus3558 Roland glued foam inside, but I did not want to do that, since I wanted to sell the front head afterwards again.

[@wmcmps]

Do you really need a cover plate? Is it just to keep the noise low? The kick looks cooler without one.

[@theDeathJoy]

Replace the resonant head with a mesh head and stuff the bass drum with pillows etc. Would reduce the volume a lot.

[@JabbinJoel_Sc33p0]

this is basically my idea for my band to play live as i have a nice E kit but looks weird on stage with a metal band lol

[@HR2635]

if you had used a mesh batter head you would get a silent pad :-)... and a mesh front head... super silent. Thanks for great inspirational videos

[@JohnMorawietz]

you have to sandwich foam between the batter head and the false head and also stuff the drum with a large pillow.

[@ぐらにゅ-c8f]

I would use mesh heads for resonant heads.

[@Drflamerock]

Use lots of blankets in side the drum and it will sound nice and quiet 🙂

[@aless505]

Sooooo, why is the bassdrumhead with a simple bassdrum pad screwed in 350€?

[@julsrique9148]

I made my kick drum . To reduce the sound cut a circle of foam on all the surface of the front head! Not jus circles. You need to cover all the plastic surface.

[@anthonyb924]

JULIO ENRIQUE did this method work for you? Do you have any pics?

[@julsrique9148]

I Have a Regular 16 x 10 bass drum head with a Remo Silent Stroke and a DDrum kick sensor. I Use a Alesis drum module and adjust the sensitivity and tension of the head to obtain the perfect desire for me. Is in a video on mi channel. O don't have many videos jus a couple. Going to record a couple more. But I cut a circle of stirofoam that touch Al the front head of the kick drum , because that reduce sound and also rebound . The foam insulate air. Is not the Sabe the rebound of the air on plastic than foam. I did the same with the snare.

[@julsrique9148]

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[@missgradenkoMC]

I’ve wanted a Roland kit for everything except the sounds. I think it’s a bit too processed for my liking. I just want a mashup with a Yamaha module with Roland pads

[@Vdrumtips1]

Yeah, a lot of guys say that. How about a Pearl Mimic?

[@DUALMOTION]

I wouldn't recommend any of the Yamaha modules, too much latency. But if you buy any of the Roland modules, you can trigger any of the VST. BTW, Marcel, I might call you "The Drumming Geek with Low Budgets".

[@adi_black]

😎🤘👍

[@drummerhammar]

The pad surface is much closer to the beaters now than the head normally is., did that not bother you??

[@maziu27]

you should put blankets to silence it more

[@victorsupreme214]

Honestly the best trigger is to stick a piezo under the felt of an Iron Cobra type beater, total cost maybe $1

[@bat6876]

But the jackcable will just fly away while playing

[@jobelewis6416]

Why not fill it with pillows to dampen the sound?

[@drageben145]

360:5=72

[@Vdrumtips1]

drageben Drageben for president:D

[@rodneyvandenoever]

Genius!

[@kunns123]

Have you ever stopped in your way while doing one of these experiments and contemplate "What the fuck am I doing?!" And then went back into doing it like nothing happened?

[@senthamaraianantha8916]

360÷5=72

[@BumpNrun69]

Did you figure that out by using all fingers on 1 hand, or did you have to use both hands? LOL

[@senthamaraianantha8916]

no,mind calculation

[@johnpietrolaj8917]

It was a nice try!

[@giuliano8031]

You can go even cheaper and buy the Millenium Bass drum cost: about 50€ in my country.

[@TonyCagnoni]

The best e-drum kick? Acoustic bassdrum 18" + Roland rt30k trigger + Roland Powerply 18" mesh head

[@Vdrumtips1]

TonyCagnoni I doubt that my friend. I am happy that it works for you, but most people think it is too bouncy.

[@johndef5075]

​@@Vdrumtips1 just built a 20 bass with Silentstroke head rt10k trigger and 2 pillows inside. Feels similar but better than the kd140 I tried on the td50. And way quieter than yours.

[@nielswil]

I am busy converting a cheap drum kit into an e drum set. And it starts with not paying much, so the toms (10,12,14") and 20" bassdrum where 170 euro's.

[@fh404]

Roland salesmen hate this trick

[@DeathswingKettlebell]

slower rpm for countersink. -your friendly tool and die maker

[@Tom-sd2vi]

Why not use a colored front head and forget about the cover plate? It seems completely unnecessary to me.

[@pepe7drum]

Dude did you even patent that?

[@Vdrumtips1]

Roland patent it. It is not my invention.

[@tlkshowhst]

Pearl TruTrac Bass drum conversion.

[@Vdrumtips1]

Not a big fan, it is also discontinued.