Building THE USED An IEM Rig!

[@robbirose7032]

Did they want it new or...

[@Ottophil]

Its funny because used and new are opposites and you said the other one which makes it a “joke” because humor is being wrong. Ha!

[@robbirose7032]

​@@Ottophilthank you

[@Dustinchugs]

STOP ITTTTTTT

[@robbirose7032]

@@Dustinchugs never

[@WormholeNavigator]

Brilliant 👍

[@phillosopherguitarist2673]

Thanks Fluff! Being an Audio Engineer I built my band's IEM rig mainly mysself but with a lot of inspiration by your previous videos. In our case we are running a full drumset mic'd through splitters and into our in ear mixes - by doing that we use the USB card of the X32 as sample and Click Playback (of course samples go out via aux to FOH) and as full band recording interface on 21 Tracks during writing sessions and to check rehearsal progress. I soldered my ass of to all the 3 panels with 12 slots for a jack each but it's sooo convenient to use in rehearsal and live. When a band goes fully DI with Kemper and Darkglass, the soundcheck four ourselves only takes minutes - vocals, guitar, bass, samples and click need almost no tuning and the only thing to mess around are the drums because at every gig the mics are placed different and the other bands/house kits need different attention anyway. thaaaaanks a lot for so many helpful videos!

[@JorisGriffioen]

People are hating on the P16 setup here but it's pretty smart: you get analog-ish-feeling mixer per person that they can fuck with on their own without having to deal with wireless connections and apps and all that BS. This will *just work* every time, by turning a knob and they own their own little domain for their ears. The X32 feels a bit overkill since it's just passing all inputs on but I guess they have the budget so it's a good move. It seems like you could do the same trick with an XR12 for example right?

[@NintenDub]

Thats dope. The used is one of the greatest bands. Their new album was pretty killer too. And their last 2 where some of the best of their career. To anyone not in the know, go listen.

[@blacklionaudio5271]

Hey, thanks for choosing us for the rig! Awesome!

[@RiffsAndBeards]

Y’all are so funny thinking a band is as tech savvy or nerdy as you guys are 😂 they literally asked to go the Behringer / P16 route I’m not gonna be like ‘ya know there’s an app for that bro’😂😂

[@stealingtomorrowband]

I'm extremely curious on how you do the individual IEM mixes...

[@bobdoerr9536]

apps is 100% easier to use then p16 (also cheaper) and would also have less fail points (one cat5 to a router vs multiple power supplies and cat5 jumps). You don't have to be tech savy to use the app, it's literally easier then 95% of tech people deal with on a day to day basis now. As far as "expandability" the app would also be easier if you had to add additional inputs. Many bands at the level of the used don't tour with a monitor engineer anymore and one guy in the band runs the x32, if not the guitar tech does it for shows. If this is not the case you, in your own video,, make reference to the x32 being "industry standard" so the useds foh engineer (they still tour with a foh engineer right? Your video makes me wonder this) could also help out if something weird happens when they want to rehearse, all though i'd bet theres more of a chance something weird happens with those p16s vs the app and they are going to ditch the p16s for the app in the long run.

[@joshuamathermusic]

I. Love. Your. IEM. Rig. Builds. I glanced, saw a new one, got ridiculously excited. Then I saw it was for the Used AFTER I clicked. I'm dead now.

[@TonyClarkGuitar]

With the X32 and a router that you connect to the mixer via the Ethernet port each member can use a tablet or smart phone to mix their own in ears using MX Bus. You wouldn’t need power play. My band has a Midas M32 and we mix our own in ears with iPads or phones.

[@RiffsAndBeards]

They specifically do not want to use phones or laptops.

[@Okla_Soft]

Dude!! I love The Used, that’s so cool that you’re friends with em! That album from circa ‘02-03 is amazing

[@JeremyLeech]

Joey was Dragged Under manager before. Not sure if he still is.

[@chinrecords]

Hey Fluff, I was wondering why the band is not using the MXQ (X32) App to control their IEM via wifi using external portable router ( or permanent installation to rack) I thought they were going to use the P16 as a standalone IEM without Wireless IEM. Awesome video as always!!!

[@MajorMoment]

came to ask the same thing, don't get what's the purpose of P16 here

[@NEFdaily]

Easy answer. Sponsorship - they got the money why not overkill the shit out of it. And the MXQ app sucks.

[@chinrecords]

@@NEFdaily 😆

[@tomasslavetinsky6554]

My opinion is to avoid wireless control of the mix.

[@christopherheadcase6886]

I love the p16 I got one for my drummer for our in ear rig to free up a mix bus and outputs. Our rehearsal rig is a tascam us16x8 and a rack headphone amp. Its a little more portable and takes up less space than our 12u in ear rack and we can still run our laptop show with a track template for the tascam

[@klrcat9769]

I believe the X32 Rack is the perfect mixer for compact and portable builds (and also for future-proofing as you can add on digital stageboxes to increase your I/O or install Dante cards for digital audio networking). BUT The X32 Rack has gotten so expensive over the past few years. I remember seeing it for around £700 and thought "that's a little outside my price range", and today its £1222 (and keeps slowly climbing). I made the same mistake with the XR18, which I bought when it came out for around £350, but it turned out to be a faulty unit so I sent it back to the manufacturer for a refund. I then a year and a half later bought another one for £500 (the XR18 is now currently £555 and hasn't dropped). If I was gonna build a "budget IEM/recording build" I would use; XR18 x2 ULTRALINK MS8000 (Isolated split) Behringer HA8000 V2 (for wired IEMs) x2 Powerplay P16-M (for extra monitor feeds on stage)

[@paradisedriveofficial]

This is super helpful! Thanks for the deep dive explanation and footage of all the gear👍

[@Diesel1069]

Just saw these guys and Joey rocked the house

[@metalheadpunk]

Nice, I always wanted to build something like this for rehearsals!

[@CameronForrester]

Props to him for playing those weird muted harmonics on Buried Myself Alive. Those are so hard to get consistent!

[@blacklikethesun]

Maaan i often saw the used when i was a kid at shows like warped tour. Everyones so old now lol. I mean im 25 now.. versus being 15. Time flies

[@justingarzamusic]

is the purpose of the p16's to have expanded stereo outputs from the x32 rack? check out the midas dn4816-o if thats the case. single ultranet cable out or the x32 and you get 16 analogue xlr outputs from one hub.

[@sethcenterbar]

Fluff! I’ve been working on my bands rig like this for about six months now. One of the coolest things about the x32 is the ability to use it as both the mixer and the interface. Was there any particular reason they needed the focusrite? We started with the assumption we needed a separate interface but our rig got so much cleaner once we set it up with the x32 directly.

[@mikeharris6083]

Was thinking the same thing. Populate channels 17-32 in the x32 for computer playback

[@OfFormerFame]

Since the X32 is a 32i/32o USB audio interface already, why did you use the Focusrite? My band routes the click, backing, and virtual instrument keyboards through the USB connection as if I had a separate interface.

[@M.Holland]

Great Idea! We es t to build something similar. One question: how do you secure the focusrite? It fits to perfect to not to use. But it’s not rack mountable…

[@ThomasVammenJensen]

At 4:10 you mention a combiner. What is that exactly?

[@kevinneil6196]

This was awesome

[@sentfrombeyond2762]

Are the Focusrite and the G4's on a rack mount shelf? Hard to tell. How do they stay in place?

[@RiffsAndBeards]

Double back tape and pressure.

[@sentfrombeyond2762]

@@RiffsAndBeards very cool, thanks!

[@kzarandooz]

could you just use an Ipad for a personal mix? insted of the mixers?

[@Negative.mrb1]

Love the used prefer their harder stuff but I definitely believe they coined the term Gross Pop and they are that !!!

[@JAMPROSOUND]

Is the focusrite interface redundant? Is the x32 rack not capable of serving as the interface to the computer like the desk is?

[@steelesaldutti]

I love love love The Used

[@RPMusicStudios]

Did they buy this in THE USED inventory of Sweetwater?

[@vladv5126]

Did they get this stuff used though?

[@rayfoster4339]

best way to install units into rack is lay rack on its back ...then you only need one guy ...and one hand ...and and limits putting screws in cockeyed

[@musicgamer33]

He literally has so many rack build videos where he says exactly this. He knows

[@_patrikjay_]

This is a great vid idea, brill Fluff, way2go

[@gloconti]

Man, almost completely forgot about these guys. Ask them if they remember my old band Shadetree or New Transit Direction or Clifton. Hahaha the “old days”…

[@danielstartek9729]

How do NEW output signal?

[@ebbulk]

Great video! I thought that Joey recently switched from Helix+Bad Cat amp to 100% Helix for his sound. Did he now switch to QC completely?

[@RiffsAndBeards]

Actually, he tried the Cortex and ended up sending it back haha 100% Helix now.

[@ebbulk]

@@RiffsAndBeards Maybe someday he'll put something on customtone. In a video of his I noticed even a stock cab block. Great units.

[@TinoSchulz1990]

Would have loved to see the cabling job. Maybe a follow up video would be nice. Also: One thing that this rig is capable of is to quickly record an idea for riffs / songs that they come up with on the fly. Either via USB Stick or connected laptop. Tho i find the use of the quads a tiny bit overpriced for a rehearsal-rig. But nevermind. Nice video as always

[@TotalEvo7]

The In-Ear Sensei has returned

[@tattoofred]

Me encantan estos videos saludos desde España ;)

[@JJgeetarisst]

This is really cool.

[@DoxxyThrash]

love THE USED

[@Daysofsamara]

The focusrite is useless as long as x32 is an audio interface when plugged in a computer with usb. Just use aux in as card in 1 to 6 or any other channel with card xxx set as input (with user input).

[@RiffsAndBeards]

Not using the x32 as an audio interface.

[@helluvakhai]

Will this Make Bert Scream Again?

[@KingStudiosCollective]

Yo mixwave the used tho 👀👀👀👀👀

[@alicejanecole2800]

.....but you dont need the interface...you have one in the mixer

[@cederickforsberg5840]

Yeah I was wondering about that too. The X32 is a very reliable interface!!

[@RiffsAndBeards]

Redundancy and place holder. Band may want to run real time UAD stuff.

[@LizardWizard_]

I really thought you meant “used” gear 😅

[@cederickforsberg5840]

Why the P16s by the way? You could just use the wireless packs as you would on stage. My band rehearse and performs live with the wireless without any extra gear

[@RiffsAndBeards]

Because the band literally asked for them to

[@AgrOpossum]

Quesa quesa… quesadilla 😎 (if you know you know)

[@StevePeeleII]

anyone else slow down playback to hear what they were talking about during the build?

[@michaelarthurmusic307]

Sad that the cheapest possible solution, Behringer, is "industry standard". Having used Sound Craft, Behringer, Allen and Heath and others, I try to avoid Behringer as I am always disappointed by some aspect of their equipment.

[@c-v-m_rocks]

Why not use the X32 app on a phone and the band members can adjust their mixes from their phones instead of the powerplay. Every band member should have a phone and less gear to lug around.

[@EthanRom]

But that would require them to bring their own network won’t it?

[@shockt9610]

@@EthanRomthe x32 has a built in router

[@RiffsAndBeards]

The band......are not exactly hip to using their phones for anything beyond Instagram. Thats why.

[@EthanRom]

@@shockt9610 Ah I see

[@skwissgaar_skwigelf_kdz3251]

new profile pic huh?

[@christopher-miles]

who?

[@Velkus96]

Again? Dude,

[@RiffsAndBeards]

Did I already build them one?

[@zolwikwkurwik]

I would not use X32, but XR18 and wouldn't bother using these ethernet mixing units. They are expensive and I bet they will use them to get the mix right and forget about them. Waste of money imo.

[@RiffsAndBeards]

The band literally asked for the individual mixers

[@sqlb3rn]

this is such overkill for band practice, the focusrite is literally a waste of space and money because the digital mixer is also an audio interface. Everyone can connect to the same single IEM transmitter if you have a decent mix. That whole "behringer ecosystem" can be replaced with a 1U presonus mixer. And still achieve the same requirements in a 4U rack for less than half the weight and cost.

[@RiffsAndBeards]

Heyo! I was looking on your Channel for all the IEM systems that you’ve built and don’t see anything? Also. The band had specific asks and wants and needs for the rig. If you think a band that sells out arenas is going for a ‘budget’ rig you are sorely mistaken.

[@sqlb3rn]

@@RiffsAndBeards doesn't get much more budget than a focusrite scarlett, which you don't need because the x32 is also an audio interface. I deleted all my youtube videos because they just let random users make false copywrite claims on my original content, and also I am not a content creator and do not enjoy making videos. I am in a band and I built our IEM rig, based on your previous video with the Presonus and splitters. Also, if you set the rack on its back next time, it makes it easier to install and screw in the rack gear ;)

[@geekgreg4117]

the showbox is no arena @@RiffsAndBeards

[@babylittlebaby]

baiden woud like your talking

[@Myoldnameiscringy]

Please use this on stage! I love The Used, but when y’all play clubs, y’all just too damn loud to be enjoyed with using all your real amps & cabs.

[@CMox727]

really interesting video great stuff