Training Peaks Virtual is HERE - is Zwift in Trouble?

[@Kenny-GoIrish-Evans]

Thanks for posting this vid. VERY helpful! I've been using TPV for about 2-3 weeks now, and it works for what I need (doing w/o's from my coach in TP). I've had Zwift since 2015, and I've never done a race and almost never just did an open ride. Main draw for me is to lose the double whammy of TP and Zwift annual fees.

[@BuildPeakCompete]

Yep, for sure very functional for what you’re wanting to use it for.

[@PedalToProgress]

Great video! Looking forward to seeing you more on TPV! Are you racing in “The Tandem” race?

[@BuildPeakCompete]

Errr, not sure? And same. What's your name on TPV?

[@PedalToProgress]

@ it’s a fun racing series! I recommend finding a partner and racing in the series! It’s Fridays starting last week (but there are make up races in a few weeks) “Sopp-PedalToProgress”

[@BuildPeakCompete]

@@PedalToProgress sweet - I'll have to give it a try!

[@ZenEndurance]

I like all the metrics, but also all I want is just a pretty course with very gentle hills several hours long. What's the longest route in this thing that isn't crazy with hills?

[@BuildPeakCompete]

Noted there. I’ll double check the distance next time I jump on it.

[@scc9306]

These workouts seem closer to what a coach would give instead of the random bs on zwift. I'll give this a try for sure.

[@BuildPeakCompete]

👍👍

[@toddwilliams4602]

Zwift's new racing score is so jacked up that Training Peaks Virtual may gain a large number of subscribers.

[@BuildPeakCompete]

What changes did they make there?

[@MelissaSco77]

One word… NO. It’s a million miles off Zwift and won’t be free for long! 💞

[@BuildPeakCompete]

What areas do you think it’s way different from Zwift?

[@grobbosixtyone]

@@BuildPeakCompeteCrappy scenery, no big groups of chatty people, no companion app, too much dependence on keyboard or screen tapping and so so and so on

[@BuildPeakCompete]

@@grobbosixtyone all good points there. Do you usually use the group ride function on Zwift? Do races as well?

[@rickybarker4023]

I go on to train and don’t talk to others. I also don’t look at the scenery, head down music on. So may not be so bad for me. I already pay for both so would like to drop Zwift it this comes up to the mark in the future.

[@BuildPeakCompete]

yeah, I think for those who want to ride different routes AND interact with others, Zwift is still the best option. But, for a more "interesting" way to ride a workout for Training Peaks users, this fits the bill nicely. And I like the Critical Power charts.

[@crosssprint]

Zwift will kill itself with price increases, I think they'll lose a big portion of their accounts. I left because they doubled their price. Not worth it for me.

[@BuildPeakCompete]

More competitors may help keep prices down across the board. That would be a good thing.

[@John-zs5nw]

Zwift will be forced to reduce their price as they lose customers....who is going to pay more for a virtual riding platform with little analytics vs a full coaching and analytics platform plus virtual riding. The main thing they are missing is running, know you get it free with Zwift but won't be long before VP has it as their platform is big for triathletes

[@DittersGustav]

If they keep it included on the TP premium subscription, I`ll never look back at the other options. I care more about the training part than the game part tho.

[@BuildPeakCompete]

100% agreement on this one.

[@RyanYates]

Switched over in May. The racing is so good on TPV!

[@BuildPeakCompete]

I’ve done a couple races now and definitely a fan. Video coming on that at some point.

[@Raymond-Farts]

This is way to geeky for me. I use the Tacx TTS4 software I bought when I bought my trainer back in 2014. Yes it still works on a dedicated PC and I have never had to buy subscription services. Can you imagine how much money I have saved in all those years? I get what I want out of my trainer and that is to stay in good shape and race against my own ghost rider performances. No need for social interaction either.

[@BuildPeakCompete]

All good there buddy! Sounds like you’re getting what ya need. I like the racing side of it all. Keep on rolling.

[@BarrioBarranco1]

Nah... I get the feeling that the majority of Zwifters will never try something new, it's a convenient, very gamified platform that most people use for a spin session, and loads are happy with the garbage "basic" profile you get on ATV(no shadows, terrible graphics) and probably also do it on a phone, tablet or laptop with stuttering powerpoint graphics. The actual physics in Zwift are a joke (Like pedalling 80km/h around a 90 degree corner with no slowing or braking etc) but iV (and Mywhoosh) are against a captured market and won't ever break through. iV graphics are a joke and very limited courses with loads of fake bots, maybe they'll get that sorted, but the physics are superb, as is the fully customisable HUD. And MyWhoosh is actually pretty good graphics (capped 30fps?) and physics... I'm off Zwift and using iV until it costs, mixed with some free MyWhoosh, that'll see me through this winter. Zwift isn't worth the money at all and if I ever start paying (I got a years free when they killed RGT) I'd probably go to Rouvy!!

[@BuildPeakCompete]

Great points all around.

[@theunboxers24]

myswoosh? Well, younpay with your gasoline....

[@davidjones5152]

This is it. Graphics are irrelevant if the physics are useless, and they are useless in Zwift. The physics foundation of iV is so good that they can easily add better graphics down the line. Unfortunately Zwift are stuck with a poor physics model.

[@jimmyduffer9769]

I think it could exist alongside Zwift as the go to race platform.

[@BuildPeakCompete]

Yep, agree with that. The bot system they’ve got with the different phenotypes made the first couple races I’ve done fun.

[@stephenbetley9596]

No. Not by a million miles. The Zwift API to allow import of 3rd party workouts into the Zwift UI e.g TrainerRoad will kill that off. Competitiion is good, but Zwift killer it aint.

[@BuildPeakCompete]

With our coaching platform being Training Peaks based the workout important function is even easier than Zwift. Still new to TPV - does Intervals.icu import do you know?

[@darrenvandit]

No mate, Zwift ain't in trouble at all. Let the snowflakes leave the platform.. I would be ready to pay even more if need be to see Zwift continue progressing & be the BEST cycling platform amongst all available at the moment

[@BuildPeakCompete]

Thanks for the comment. Im curious, how do you use Zwift primarily? Group rides? Races? Workouts? All of the above?

[@Rabbitnl]

I’m a 100% Zwiftie. Use Zwift for races, Group rides and Group workouts. Time flies by while making fun with each other on group rides. The same on group workouts, but also encouraging each other on hard workouts helps a lot. And jeez … al that complaining about the price. What’s 200 euro/year if it helps you stay fit while having fun?

[@ihanatom]

I gave up when I heard you mention bots….

[@BuildPeakCompete]

Hey, if they make it where it’s always good competition I’m all good with it. Zwift has those ride leader bots as well.

[@darrenvandit]

​@@BuildPeakCompetelol RoboPacers have nothing to do with in race riders who are real riders coming from all over the world!

[@BuildPeakCompete]

Do we know if all those riders in the Zwift races are actually real?! Hmmm....haha.

[@duttyvegan]

No, not everyone cares about over prices bikes and watts 😂

[@BuildPeakCompete]

Haha.

[@MrLeovdmeer]

It is a bot ghost town

[@BuildPeakCompete]

Def not the interactive communication like on Zwift right now.

[@PeacefulRallyCar-pw3cs]

Zw spent a lot if money on the trainer bike, which never went to sale and z ride. Fyi 2000 cad 😦, noisy roller instead of sprocket, square taper crank; no crank power meter and can't change crank length. Easy adjustment? So what? If a husband and wife are using the same bike they still will use their own saddle. Even two men would want his own specific saddle. It would have to be changed out evey time. Zw should have had a paying race series.

[@BuildPeakCompete]

We’ll be curious to see how many people purchase that thing for sure.

[@PeacefulRallyCar-pw3cs]

I don't want to slag on zw. I've been on over two years. 99% of the time it works fine,(as a casual rider). Zw sent me a couple surveys, total garbage. "Arrange these statements in order of importance to you" wtf? Is this an intelligence test? Why not talk in plain English??

[@filou5835]

I've just bought the Zwift Ride a bit disappointed at first but after 2 days I begin to have fun !

[@trplay1]

why do so many KZbinrs seem to gloat when a new virtual cycling app surfaces claiming Zwift is dead? How does it help grow the virtual environment if training peaks poach their members from another cycling app? Shouldn't they be drawing new virtual racers instead? This looks like nothing more than another Zwift.

[@BuildPeakCompete]

Good points. From the comments and dialogue thus far, it’s clear that people use these platforms for different reasons. Some like the group rides, others the races, and others just like riding fun courses. For our athlete, we’re mainly concerned with how a VR platform integrates with the Training Peaks workouts we give to our athletes and thus far TPV seems like it’s going to be the #1 choice for that.

[@YoutubeWatchRandy]

Why? Because Zwift is price squeezing us

[@marcpost4034]

@@KZbinWatchRandy$19 bucks a month is reasonable for me. I ride 5 days a week including Zwift Racing League. Works out to a buck a day.