The Endurance Marker That Separates The Best From The Rest | GCN Show Ep. 596

[@gcn]

How much of fatigue resistance do you think is genetic versus trained? 🤔

[@JonCannings]

Genetics certainly play a large part, as does mental strength

[@DavidC-rt3or]

How much could it have to do with lactate clearing and/or percentage of/training of fast twitch vs slow twitch muscles?

[@gcn]

​@@DavidC-rt3or good question!

[@paulgrimshaw8334]

I read a NIH study that showed genetics accounted for 47% of subjects’ increases in VO2max while following a HIIT oriented programme. So genetics may also play a role in fatigue resistance as well. Were this to be true (there’s no evidence this is the case atm), then genetics provides an edge. Another factor not addressed is psychological. People react to exertion differently. Some fold, some dig in. Most of us fall between these two extremes, though I suspect repetitive training and competition by athletes likely conditions them to tolerate adverse physical demands as a matter of course. The other issue briefly touched on in the video is exercise economy. This might be better described as kinematics. We’ve all seen flagging runners whose limbs are all over the place, cyclists whose joint pain persists in the absence of a diagnosed medical issue, etc. Good control of body movement has a few different components but it undoubtedly leads to more efficient locomotion. That efficiency endows an athlete with greater endurance simply on an energy basis.

[@bobumbel]

I believe fatigue resistance is 65% genetic 35% trained.

[@Aussie_stu]

Lael Wilcox's around the world attempt is cheating. She is riding from the Northern hemisphere to the southern, so downhill the whole way.

[@kipcc3918]

Just about spat my drink 😅🤣

[@gcn]

Tail wind too?

[@Aussie_stu]

@gcn yep, she is going West to East. By the time she has rolled down into the Southern hemisphere, the furious 50s and roaring 40s winds will kick in and they blow West to East. See, cheating!

[@Gribbo9999]

That's rubbish! We in Australia know the route is all uphill here "upover".

[@Aussie_stu]

@@Gribbo9999 she is flying back up to the States. She misses the whole climb back into the Northern hemisphere

[@conordaly30]

I'm a cyclist and a HGV driver. I have driven acorss europe. I've honestly never had an issue as a cyclist with a hgv, prob because I just stay back off them at junctions and traffic lights. A HGV driver has so many blind spots I take it upon myself to make sure I am visible to the driver by staying in his mirrors or making absolutely sure they know where I am. Granted not always easy and may mean laying up behind a truck but I feel it is safer. When driving, If I do see a cyclist I do my upmost to be considerate but honestly. It is so hard to keep track of cyclists around the lorry in towns and city's. As for victim blaming. Truckers do carry more of the burden when it comes to protecting those around them as they are considered professionals and usually held to a higher standard. But greater understanding across all road users is whats needed. Cycling is safer on the continent maybe due to better cycle provision but definitely a greater awareness and respect over there as well.

[@rob-c.]

I hear this all the time and all I can think is why we allow vehicles to have so many blind spots and then allow them on the roads unsupervised? Let’s take the largest most dangerous vehicles and not allow the driver to be able to see - makes so much sense 🤦‍♂️

[@ds6914]

Better training of cyclists would help. It seems to me, cyclists killed by hgv are often inexperienced and women - won't be popular point but I expect on *average* women are more likely to be less confident getting themselves out of tricky situations and more likely to follow "rules" into a sticky situation (eg if you're happy jumping on to the curb it can make you safer) Note, I do believe some feminists made a similar point framed as roads not being designed for women

[@berenicebaker7191]

Please don’t allow Si time off for training without these weekly giggle-fests I would be sinking into ‘state of the world’ depression. Love you both.

[@peterholmes1307]

As a regular bike commuter, i never cease to be amazed by the ludicrously dangerous positions some cyclists put themselves in. I'm also a member of the Institute of Advanced Motorists - much of the training to pass the IAM test is observation and hazard awareness. All traffic users have blind spots - most cyclists don't have mirrors, we all need to take responsibility for avoiding conflict situations on the road by being more aware of the limitations and constraints of every type of road user.

[@ds6914]

@@peterholmes1307 not having mirrors isn't equivalent to a blind spot. you don't need mirrors to be aware of what's happening around you on a bike... funny thing, I rarely see anything ludicrously dangerous by drivers or cyclists. But some people see this stuff all the time. Mainly people who don't do one or other, or people who have been on courses... these people should ask, if this is ludicrously dangerous, how come there are so few accidents?? agree about all parties taking responsibility though

[@Millicente]

I've always thought it would be fantastic to see one of the ex-pro presenters go back to training full time to see what they can do or still accomplish now with years added to the body. You have my vote!

[@feedbackzaloop]

Then go watch Phil Gaimon for his "worst retirement ever"

[@buddhahat]

@@feedbackzaloop good recommendation, Phil makes fun content, and jfc can that man climb on a bike! His clip where he crashes due to the solid finish line tape is hilarious 😄

[@gcn]

How do yo think they would get on? 👀

[@ds6914]

@@feedbackzaloop Phil Gaimon should not be encouraged

[@ds6914]

@@gcn well they were all distinctly average when they were pro, and I for one think they could get close to that again if they really gave it their all

[@PhilipClare]

I used to investigate Fatal Road Collisons (no such thing as an accident) I dealt with 40 odd deaths in 2yrs. Nearly all the cyclists deaths I dealt with had gone up the inside of lorries or buses who turned over them at junctions.

[@pierrex3226]

There should be videos made on the likely causes of death on a bike. Like if it's most of the time because you're caught on the inside of a large vehicle, then cyclists should know.

[@danielakerman8241]

Most motorists would know better than to go up the inside of a bus or lorrie, so why shouldn’t cyclists? It isn’t victim blaming to put the onus on the cyclists, it’s common sense given the visibility limitations of the bus/truck driver, and the lack of protection for the cyclist.

[@siets7303]

Well, we force cyclist to ride on the side of the road (due to usual locaties of a bike paths or just for staying "out of the way". But when vehicles are making a turn, crossing this path, they should not drive there? Seems odd. Also keep in mind when cycling it is sometimes difficult to predict which vehicle is going to turn, especially if they approach you from behind with (much) greater speed. When riding a bike, of course you should be aware of your surroundings and carefull around large vehicle. But i think most people are (it is very scary, just try it out).

[@AndrewShakespeare]

​@danielakerman8241 totally agree, but I didn't think the original initiative was putting the onus on the cyclist, just an awareness of what the driver can see. I'm cautious in my car when I know I'm in another driver's blind spot. There's too much emphasis on things being someone else's responsibility without taking personal responsibility or risk awareness. I'm getting a little bored of GCN consistently seeking out cycling victimhood. We're all sharing the road. Seeing others' perspective helps.

[@linea2000]

Well as a cyclist for about 40 years and a member of the general public I've witnessed several serious vehicle collisions with cyclists - none of which involved cyclists going up the side of buses or HGVs - so I don't think your 2 years are necessarily that typical.

[@ZenEndurance]

On the bus driver thing... When you live in a surfing town like San Diego, everybody surfs. Your dentist, your bus driver, your teacher, your friend's grandmother even. But in a non-suring town like Dallas, TX, if you mention you're a surfer, everybody immediately starts making fun of you with, "duuuuuuuude... surrrrrrfs up brrrruuuuuhhh." like only people with brain damage surf. Goes to show that if you don't do something or know people who do, then your perception of that activity can be really poor.

[@hbrameus]

I assume the incidents of bus drivers hitting surfers are pretty low. Which might prove your point. 😊

[@AndyRides]

When I started running in December I wore cycling jerseys. Three pockets on the back to carry phone, food and keys. My running club all know me as the cycling guy.

[@gcn]

There are worse things to be known for 🤣

[@johnmurray1479]

Shouldn't all driver training include cyclist and pedestrian awareness as part of hierarchy of safety regulations which also need to be enforced. This could be how to achieve the understanding of the relationship between different road users as in the Netherlands with the safety implications of this.

[@gcn]

A good idea!

[@conordaly30]

It does. The only road users not to go through this, mandatory, training are cyclists.

[@doctorscoot]

Here in Australia, articulated trucks and busses usually (always?) have two big signs on the back -- one pointing out that 'do not overtake' when they are turning (because of 'pinch' in the articulation) and the other, on all heavy vehicles, a simple sign that says "if you can't see my mirrors i can't see you".

[@Elucidated_Imp]

Chuffed to bits that I finally got a comment worth mentioning! I often think that finding out who's 'fault' somethng is almost never addresses the real 'why'. As a cyclist driving a bus I find myself instinctively looking the the gear and stance someone is riding in. And that usually gives me enough information as to whether or not that rider is likely to ride out of the saddle soon (and sway more) or slow. Eg: hard gear approaching an incline. Some colleagues get randomly surprised that they'll see one or two riders, overtake them without thinking much more about it, then are surprised to suddenly get swarmed by loads at the next set of lights. But to me, if I've seen a few riders in a similar kit, I'm expecting them to be part of a larger group and I'll spend a short while expecting them around me. I'll also hug my bus along the kerb. I don't give anyone the choice of pulling up along side me on my nearside. I could list a thousand things but here's a few from a bus driver`s perspective that I've never seen mentioned on posters: When two or more buses of the same route are running together, it usually means that at least one of them is late. That driver might be glancing at the mirrors instead of looking. There is a difference. Doesn't matter how bright your bike light is. If you're in front of another vehicle at night with its headlights on; you are invisible. Some bus mirrors wobble to such a degree that drivers can only go by shapes large enough not to get blurred out. Cyclists are not large enough. On a narrow road with a bike lane. Buses can't avoid entering the cycle lane. Especially on a curve. Sorry about the long waffle. I'm usually on one of these: 55, 56, 165, 215, 256, 257, 275, 365, 496, 499. You're all welcome aboard (folding bike only. No electrics.)! 🙂

[@LivandTrekGoCycling]

This show is always best when presented by 'The A Team- Si & Dan'. Thanks chaps 🚴👍

[@gcn]

Thanks 👍

[@michaelskinner3067]

In the segment about HGV drivers and cyclists, Simon mentioned victim blaming. He's spot on with this observation and it connects to the last GCN Show I watched in which Simon made an analogy with feminism. In the same way that women are vulnerable on the street, cyclist are the vulnerable road users. Victim blaming, street harassment, rape culture and so on all have their parallels with cyclist's safety on the roads. My point is, a lot of what we need to know about how to effectively campaign for cyclist's safety on the roads is already there in the history of feminism.

[@easternbrown]

#captioncompetition: The Visma-Lease a Bike trolling continues unabated as Primoz and Giulio turn up for the Dauphiné as C-3PO and R2-D2

[@robbchastain3036]

C'mon, Dan and Si, don't let us down, what tires and gearing were the beach cruiser guys running at Unbound? It looks like they cracked the code, should've been the topic of the week. 😀

[@gcn]

Hahahaha forget that... tell us about the pressure!

[@DetroitJohnny]

​@gcn and what brand of wax did they use on their chains

[@robbchastain3036]

@@gcn Yes, GCN, this is your moment to shine as investigative cycling journalists, find out everything for us, tires and gears and pressure and as another viewer is wondering, chain waxing. Who knew, half a century after the NorCal downhill scene, klunkers would roll in formation to the finish at Unbound like Ford GT-40s at Le Mans in '66. 😀

[@Roadriderfun]

I normally cycle in france, but last year I went on a ride in England and I had so many close calls. And I do believe that England needs to improve the awareness of both the riders and vehicles and the infrastructure for cyclists.

[@EddyGF800]

When fixing a puncture just put the bicycle upside down in the grass. Easier to work on and no scratches.

[@feedbackzaloop]

There is also sort of railing in the photo: could have hung it by the handlebars there.

[@marvmininger1835]

My thought was to locate a patch of grass also, but that might be tough to find in a city environment without some significant hike-a-bike.

[@inketd]

There was no grass around (I live in Tokyo, it's super urban for hundreds of km) and in a tropical country I would avoid due to the amount of insects that could be lurking 😨

[@inketd]

@@feedbackzaloopThat railing is for a river dam and it's wider than the handle bar 😢 Good thinking though!

[@im-on-youtube]

for rim brakes yes - for hydraulic brakes no. shimano state this on their documentation - "When turning the bicycle upside down or on its side, the brake system may have some air bubbles inside the reservoir tank which are still there when the bleed screw is closed, or which accumulate in various parts of the brake system when it is used for long periods. This disc brake system is not designed to work with the bicycle upside down. If the bicycle is turned upside down or on its side, the air bubbles inside the reservoir tank may move in the direction of the calipers. If the bicycle is ridden in this condition, there is danger that the brakes may not operate and a serious accident may occur. If the bicycle has been turned upside down or on its side, be sure to operate the brake lever a few times to check that the brakes operate normally before riding the bicycle..."

[@Macca8884.5]

My point of view to drivers is,, if that was your son, daughter, nephew, sister ... on the bike How much room would you give them ,,it always makes them lost for words,,

[@gcn]

That's a great point! Adding human element really helps 🙌

[@russstarke6004]

Caption: Are those your shoes on your forks?

[@colinricketts1415]

As a cycling white van driver I have less issues with cyclists while driving than most, so what the bus driver said makes sense. I had a chance to drive a double decker bus many many years ago, that definitely changed my perspective as a cyclist while around buses and lorries - even if giving cyclists a chance to see the visibility from a HGV perspective came from a victim blaming perspective I think its something that cyclist could benefit from. Also - would it make a interesting GCN video?

[@brentgaul2760]

"One Cheek Only" takes the day.

[@chrisridesbicycles]

Short side note on Lael‘s record attempt: I can highly recommend the podcast episode of „Life in the peloton“ by Mitch Docker with her. She is the most badass person I have ever heard about.

[@Prufrock888]

Interesting comment on fatigue resistance. On rides less than 100kms my friends destroy me but when the distance starts adding up, especially above 150kms I start to come into my own even though I am not going any faster.

[@gcn]

Ooo that is interesting! Alex found something very similar when he went on a long ride with Ollie 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/rX6ppZuNgrR1e9E - He could probably take Ollie in a Crit but over long rides Ollie has the edge

[@daveplatten5380]

Yes, I agree. $1800 is a lot of money, but Bont have been doing full custom shoes for years. If you have any foot issues that affect your ability to ride eg. Every bone in your foot has been broken well fitting shoes are a non negotiable and the $1800 becomes irrelevant.

[@gcn]

Good point! They are expensive for a reason, it's always so cool to see the tech that goes into these kit like this 🙌 Would you ever buy them?

[@esoxcycles]

Grandad jokes are better than Dad jokes, they've had time to mature.

[@JonCannings]

Brilliant

[@gcn]

Which category do Dan's jokes fall into? 👀

[@rbonn3880]

Most definitely my endurance has improved over the years, but I cannot go as hard for as long in training as I used to. I recognize that I am getting older and slower, but in some ways I'm a lot smarter, enjoying the ride a lot more.

[@gcn]

The key is you're enjoying the ride more 🙌That's great, what is it about riding that you are loving so much at the moment?

[@Tommi462]

I would never go out without my phone. Firstly, because I use it for music, but my wife also insists it's a safety issue. It didn't use to be any kind of an issue before, but now I got a massive phone which won't fit into most athletic gear pockets easily. But I have some running belts I use now to carry it.

[@gcn]

Have you ever tried a frame bag? 👀

[@Tommi462]

@@gcn I meant when running. Cycling jersey back pockets can handle my phone just fine.

[@armella_ultramyggen]

As a former truckdriver and a cyclist, I can say it can be a nightmare, driving in the city with cyclist. When a young kid on his bike, musik in the ear and locking at his phone, drive right out in front of you.... my heart stopped for a few seconds, but Lucky for him, I saw him and wasn`t in speed, because its not easy to stop 57 tons in a second...... We do our very best and have eyes everywhere. But please stay behind the truck at a traffic lights and wait for it to turn, before you continue and we all come home safely :)

[@izi941]

38:00 I took my phone to the races in case something happens to me. Now I just have an AirTag for location sharing and tools+spares for repairs. Much happier to not worry about the phone and it also feels better to have empty pockets.

[@Mr.NotImportant-qu5rx]

THANK YOU GCN for putting in the beach cruisers at Unbound! It was inspiring! I own one of those single speed cruiser brake Walmart brand beach cruisers, but I have gravel bike handlebars on it.

[@JonCannings]

They were amazing

[@Mr.NotImportant-qu5rx]

​@@JonCanningsStay awesome Jon. I still watch your Kierin bicycle track racing video you shot in Japan. We watch the racing often and enjoy it on KZbin.

[@gcn]

All we're hearing here is You're going to ride the 2024 unbound on your beach cruiser? 👀

[@Mr.NotImportant-qu5rx]

@@gcn Sorely tempted! I have thought about it a lot. The costs would be about $2K for transportation, food, hotel, and support team, and I can't get free time off from our farm during the June planting season. However, I can pedal the local rocky canal trail and daydream of Unbound for free.

[@Old_Man_Cycling]

It's the comedy gold towards the end of the show that makes us watch in the first place 🙂

[@gcn]

We love that 🙌Would you like to see more comedy on GCN? 👀

[@Servicevelo]

I think Dan has a bee in his bonnet over Surron type bikes. They aren’t e-bikes and are in fact, by definition motorcycles. As are most food delivery bikes seen razzing around city centres.

[@morrmarc]

I'm working on the fatigue resistance topic in my PhD (from a physiological point of view) right now and yeah, there are even more interesting aspects that we are seeing, and not only oxygen seems to be a relevant feature. Can't spoil too much since we're in the middle of testing the athletes, but there are huge differences that are not seen in usual VO2max testing.

[@fartman10284]

Obligatory Connor Dunne teasing is always a start of a Gravel ride segment

[@JonCannings]

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[@StopTheRot]

Two measures that are vital in bike racing, and don’t receive much attention are: 1. Resistance to fatigue. 2. Speed of recovery. The second one is - without any doubt - mainly genetic. I’m still hoping that the first one isn’t!

[@feedbackzaloop]

Second one is predominantly discipline and dedication. I have suspicions first one too

[@StopTheRot]

@@feedbackzaloopI’ve lived with a few pros. One of them, a younger cousin, could do one minute efforts with only 30 seconds recovery between them, when less than a few weeks into cycling. At the time he was a college student that smoked and played rhythm guitar in a band. As soon as he got a Powermeter we saw he could do 800+ watts for his minute efforts, at 63kg. He went to the pretty much the top, within a few years, so he was definitely a freak of nature. He went from CAT4 to Elite in one summer of racing before going pro the next year, and pro-conti the year after. By the time he’d gone pro-conti he’d ridden less than 15,000km. His first 100 mile ride was a national A race, and his first 200k ride was the Brabantse Pijl. This stuff is genetic. Trust me!

[@feedbackzaloop]

@@StopTheRot that's not that recovery as initial strength. Minute effort plus 30s rest is pretty much the standard VO2max training as we learned recently. Recovery everyone talking about is spraying an ankle on Thursday and winning cyclocross race on Saturday. Or participating both in Fleche and LBL. I've been around such people too, although not that high level as you picture here. But similarly the moment they realize their predisposition, they quit smoking and playing and focus on the sport. And that is what takes discipline. Me, personally, quit target shooting after participating once in the nationals and not qualifying for the final round, deciding it's not worth juggling it with personal life, cycling and higher education. And it did help cycling a bit.

[@StopTheRot]

@@feedbackzaloopah, yes - that sort of recovery is different. Recovery from efforts is what I meant - and it’s the most important part of bike racing. Being able to recover after 30s - to near perfect homeostasis - after a 1 minute flat out effort, is genuinely freaky. It really is. Lost of us would still be on the ground trying not to be sick!

[@feedbackzaloop]

@@StopTheRot weeeeell, it's not that near perfect. I mean, nobody can do full gas efforts one after another for many hours straight. Even ten minutes. And getting up off the floor to continue - isn't it exactly that mental resilience boxers and other fighters like to talk about?

[@impaledface7694]

Whenever I am in the gym resting I tend to pace, or if it's a deep and long set I just sit down. Sometimes at home I am jamming out too. I find the pacing gives a consistent rest time if you walk at the same pace and the same distance, while also getting steps in.

[@Bozza36]

I would imagine fatigue resistance is mainly down to training. Riders like MDVP have a high fatigue resistance for anaerobic efforts, whilst riders like Vingegaard would have a high fatigue resistance for long aerobic efforts.

[@thomastaylor3299]

As a retired driver of very large trucks and long time cyclist I see the probs from both sides, the worst offenders in trucks are mostly the younger newly test past drivers who do not seem to be aware of every thing around them concentrating on getting the job done (to many deliveries in many cases) in the case of the cyclist the about town rider ie going to work/ shops etc they seen to think the trucks just should not be on their roads now the lycra lads they really do own the road, when driving a large truck you really do need eyes every were because most of these guys are either looking at their head unit or trying to be as aero as possible, were I live there is a rather straight 2km very busy road with a parallel shared cycle/ walking route 3.5km will the lycra lads / girls use it not a chance it gives me the gitters just watching them even just driving a car past them.

[@markbradshaw4960]

Good to hear Si keeps Whippets. As a Mancunian my grandad used to race Whippets. He beat one once!

[@marksargent3270]

One of the few GCN shows I've actually got to the very end of. Mainly because I was on the Watt bike at work. Another classic 😂

[@davidp6630]

Headlights on bikes!! A strobing light at all times (or solid in low/no daylight) will give cyclists greater visibility in all conditions. Sometimes on a perfectly sunny ride, I’m passed by a bus or large truck which casts a shadow over my riding area which renders me invisible but for my daylight-visible headlight. Having also driven large vehicles, I know how difficult it can be to spot a cyclist (or jogger, or pedestrian, or motorcycle) in my mirrors. With a strobing headlight I could at least tell myself “watch out, there’s something there!” even if I couldn’t discern what it was, and adjust my driving accordingly.

[@martindirkzimmer]

Si and Dan are just... Diamond League

[@gcn]

We always love filming with these two 🙌 Such a great duo 👌

[@benjaminplant3734]

Love these bros, they just legs and brains, nothing else

[@jansprij2858]

thank you for being back on the show, you 2 are great to watch

[@paddy1991]

I cycle and drive HGVs and buses as I'm a mechanic. The only thing I can say to people that cycle bikes is you wouldn't under take a turn vehicle if you were driving your own car. Car drivers and cyclists alike do put themselves in bad situations and they don't have the awareness of what is going on around them. Everyone is responsible for their own safety on the roads. Accidents do happen it's sometimes unavoidable but to have the arrogants to think everyone should be watching out for you on the road whether you are on a bike or in a car or HGV is why there are accidents.

[@PhilThompson-tl3im]

On the subject of taking phones with you while running I used to avoid taking it when running with my dogs. Didn’t want the irritating pinging noise all the time. Then one day one of the dogs got something on his feet that he promptly licked which had him projectile vomiting. Found myself in the arse end of nowhere with a sick dog and no phone to call anyone. Managed to flag someone down on a nearby road and all was fine eventually but petrified of going without phone now.

[@StyleLessMicks]

I found out that my resistance to fatigue is naturally high. I entered a 200 km ice skating race in 2012 in the Netherlands without training, and was able to finish it. Since 2020 I’ve started endurance training and have done multiple 8 hour plus events, I am not necessarily the strongest at the start but I can just keep on going. Same for my sprint, my highest ever wattage for 5 seconds I did at a sign sprint after 9 hours group ride at 32 kph average at 230 watt average. So I am sure you can train it but some people have some of it from the start. Strangely enough I don’t have good multiple day fatigue resistance, but mainly during a single day long race or ride

[@AndrewTabbel]

Another fantastic video from the dynamic duo of GCN! Thanks for the many laughs once again.

[@gcn]

Never a dull day filming with these two 🙌 Would you like to see anything with these two together?

[@sekc-chua]

That new blue t-shirt Dan Lloyd is wearing is rather cool. It blends nicely into the blue wall corner. Makes Dan look like part of the wall.

[@gcn]

If only there was somewhere that you could get one 🤨 cough cough gcn.eu/shop cough cough

[@space.youtube]

I've taken a slightly different approach to maximising "fatigue resistance". By identifying and avoiding any activity that might induce fatigue, I've thus become maximally resistant to it. My Vo2 min is pretty impressive too. Ps turning wheels, disk, chain rings, cogs etc into clocks is not a "hack", it's a cliche. "Hack" implies a degree of creativity, turning round things into clock faces is not that.

[@michaelpostle3659]

In regards letting other Road users know a cyclists head space I’ve lost count how many times I have been cut up. Rather than shout I now take it upon myself to tap the window if the car parks up and explain “all I want to do is ride my bike and my children want to make sure I come back alive. By you cutting me up etc then that’s not helpful to that and next time could you consider my children” So far most drivers have apologised when explained I wish this would be explained to the like of Clarkson and other petrol heads as it’s about caring for loved ones x

[@nerigarcia7116]

26:55 Seems as if the shoes might be unstable with the weight of the bike and perhaps not firm enough to allow it to stand freely and not tip over easily. I'm with Si, I lean it on the pedal. I never really buy the most expensive model pedals as well because those are likely to be the things that get scratched up. Look Keo Classic is my go to. They work the same as the more expensive models but I don't feel so bad banging them up.

[@LeonardoPostacchini]

I love how Si is a good sport despite the toxicity thrown at him. Top cyclist AND Zen master!

[@docnob]

Regarding fatigue resistance: it's probably both genetic and trained. Like with other physiological performance parameters there are some people with extremely high numbers, quite a lot with very good numbers and most with around and under average preconditions. I guess if you mapped it, you would get sort of a bell curve of probability distribution. That's also essentially what the outcome of the study done by James Spragg is suggesting: even among professional cyclists (who do a lot of training) there are significant differences among the 14 participants of the study due to their genetics. On the other hand, if you look at it from an individual perspective, you have and keep the genetics nature has gifted you with, but with training you can unlock your full potential, which doesn't become available if you only sat on your sofa. The reason behind it is the same why training has an effect: your body adapts to what is needed - only if the demand is minimal, the body adapts to a very small part of what it could do theoretically. That is the experience Si is referring to when he pointed out the difference between his pro days and his current abilities in the department of fatigue resistance. Personally my observation is also much improvement with training volume. I did the same event (Vätternrundan 315 km) last year and this year averaging approximately the same speed, power and heart rate numbers, but feeling spent last year in the end versus feeling quite fresh and to be able to go on for much longer this time after 12.000 km of training in between.

[@ironhanglider]

I have a nautical dictionary that defines a "Figurehead" as a "Decorative dummy found on sailboats". Arguably Si and Dan don't need an additional one on their bikes.

[@danielakerman8241]

😂😂😂

[@swites]

Not having much time to train per week (5 to 7hrs) fatigue resistance is my biggest issue. Annoying in a race starting the climbs at 300w's and finishing on about 240w's well dropped by the people in my bunch who can still do ~280w's relatively. I think people can train it quite a lot, but obviously individuals will all have their genetic ceilings. Friends at a similar level to me, who've bumped up their cycling to 15hrs a week all seem to go up a grade, and get much better than they were before.

[@mercury15316]

I have a theory that fatigue resistance can be developed - through high rep low weight strength exercise. Ideally this would be squats and lunges. The idea here is that doing 50 squats the first time in a while you are completely done and doing a second set even after a while is hard, but after a month of these exercises you can whip up a 100 squats easily and then another 100 in 15 minutes easily. This won't show in FTP but I think would show at the end of a race.

[@andrewjandik337]

“I usually fall to the right, so pass on my left” -Primoz

[@danielbliss1988]

UK truck drivers have to do part of their training on bikes so as to get a better handle on their safety needs? What a great idea. We should introduce that here in the US.

[@johnstrac]

Education on Vulnerable Road Users is one of the modules on Drivers CPC Training, although some of the guys I've trained with would not be described as the most tolerant of fellows.

[@jdadventures9668]

Last year I notice as a ride got longer I was still with good energy, and it seem to be associated with the fact that I had done a lot of miles in the off season. So this may be my fatigue resistance was higher from more riding

[@cido66]

Fatigue resistance is endurance, not a dimension of it (not being divorced is marriage, not the fourth dimension of it). Endurance is how much you resist until you fatigue and have to stop. That happens sooner or later depending on intensity (aerobic endurance, anaerobic endurance, etc). Every intensity has its specific limiters (causes of fatigue), which you can overcome by manipulating VO2 max and the other real markers of endurance (aka training).

[@windowpain1]

Eagerly awaiting the next installment of Dan's journey back to health & fitness series. Is that still happening? I'm on the same journey, minus the "back"

[@JonCannings]

It's coming!

[@gcn]

Watch this space.. are your notifications on?

[@SY-ve5qm]

Finally cabot trail made into the GCN show intro! 🎉

[@Stirling1989]

#captioncompetition Primoz: I'm not going to crash today. Ciccone: Don't make promises you can't keep

[@gcn]

Hahaha he's certainly made a habit of it 🤣

[@folixmute]

I just put my bike upside down if I need to do some roadside maintenance, not worried about scratching my hoods or saddle as both of these are soft parts and don't seem to be damaged by whatever surface I put them on

[@adadinthelifeofacyclist]

I think Dan should now take his shoes off and put his forks in them whenever he fixes a puncture

[@gcn]

Can we all just take a minuet to think about Dan's socks 🤣

[@adadinthelifeofacyclist]

@@gcn I'd rather not 🤢

[@peterslater7791]

re: the HGV discussion - and cyclists and cars.... as an avid cyclist and also a huge car enthusiast who enjoys driving, when behind the wheel i am very respective of other cyclists on the road, but also hyper-critical of them when they are poorly-mannered. ;) when on the road as a cyclist, i ride 100% defensively and anticipate drivers not being able to see me, so while i ride quickly i also ride cautiously. i use lights front and rear at all times and i would advise other cyclists to do the same. drivers are looking out for cars to avoid, not necessarily cyclists - we gotta stand out. also, respect the rules of the road - if you're using the road like a car does, you need to follow the same rules.

[@michaelsrealm9365]

Dan, Please don't consider the show "Naked and Afraid." The visuals would be nightmarish, and your feet would never survive.

[@stuartfreedman6854]

Best grand dad joke ever: saying "pull my finger" (just before you-know-what). Works every time!

[@gcn]

Every time!

[@MarcoP70]

3:30 am in the morning here in Sydney. Great way to start the day!!

[@JonCannings]

Morning!

[@gcn]

Dedication to GCN ❤

[@MarcoP70]

Morning sir. ​@JonCannings

[@Tex735]

I have kind of come up with a solution that seems to work very well. I ride on the shoulder where possible (no bike lanes on most of the roads), however, at every traffic light or stop sign that I encounter, I always look for a clearing in traffic and then move out into the lane and take up a space just like any other vehicle on the road. That way, I know everyone sees me and I wait my turn to go after the vehicles in front of me have moved. I don't get in anyone's blind spot and with my flashing LED tail light, the drivers behind me can't miss me. I can accelerate faster than most cars and I get across the intersection just as fast as any of the cars so i'm not impeding traffic or anything like that. Most drivers that I encounter seem to be fine with that and everyone stays safe. After the intersection, i go back to the shoulder and continue on. It can be a little nerve racking until you get used to being out in the lane like that, but it is WAY better than having a car try to pass you in a one lane roundabout (which has happened to me a couple of times in the past). Just food for thought.

[@Nickellor]

#captioncomp Roglič “How do my shoes look?” Giulio “They look Primož”

[@jansprij2858]

Honestly Sy, your video are my favorites to watch, mostly because of the content. I think nowadays that is where your quality lies. Getting into 4 months of training to get back to what?

[@mathewrose2951]

Serious question about the idea of an aerobra: has anyone ever built something similar (out of perhaps less elastic fabric) to help keep riders from rolling their shoulders in and over so that it causes a sore mid-back and neck. Aero benefits aside, I'm wondering if there isn't a comfort benefit to be had from similar kit.

[@Micha-c3po]

#CaptionCompetition 'Yours may also shine so bright, just remember to evenepolish them every day, young man.'

[@CazzaJen]

Love to see you two presenting this ❤

[@acsdad619]

Living in coastal San Diego I have seen a large uptick in e-bikes, and a corresponding uptick in cycling fatalities

[@thomasbezencon2121]

#CaptionCompetition Hey Primoz. With that yellow vest and and neon gloves, be carefull you don't get mistaken for a "gillet jaune"

[@thewillyfamily]

Thanks for the show. Entertaining as always! Caption Contest Attempt 1: This helmet is ridiculous with that ferring on the back! Yeah but at least I'm not wearing 3D printed shoes

[@izi941]

37:30 casually slip in that debate like if it did not came from CadeMedia Wild ones podcast last week 😅 very original

[@JasonTrew2018]

#Caption: "Hey, Primoz, are you sure those socks are UCI legal, it looks like you're wearing Manon's socks"

[@nickcaddy2831]

Absolutely with Dan regarding walking on pebbles with bare feet. Every time I see someone do it I just think HOW?!

[@JonCannings]

Agony

[@andrewmcewan8081]

there is a correct way to do all of those movements and you are supposed to go through the full range of motion . if his bulk is impeading his range of motion then that should have been stated before the start .

[@wobyone]

LORE shoes should be in hacks & bodges. 3d print and cable tie design. (I'd vote bodge)

[@nicolaslepage3503]

Zak is an absolute beast, a true crossfitter, and miles better than I can ever be. But it is true that his push-ups are no reps based on crossfit standards

[@aha200971]

Daniel Lloyd figure head? thats easy his favorit beer label :-) I think they guy with 3d printed figure head miss the classic head badge from the past. Not sure when they got weight saved away, but the Bianchi and Litespeed ones where beautiful

[@ryanbrink9604]

Ryan with the ‘worst bodge ever’ here. #1 it is actually my coworkers bike. #2 the MTB shifter is mounted on his 1x CX racing rig, not his MTB. He takes the shifter and derailleur from his MTB and mounts to his CX as he only does a handful of gravel races.

[@williamschultz8198]

Si and Dan area back...40+ minute show!!!

[@gcn]

That's nothing for these two 🙌 They could make a 2 hour show easy!

[@JackMott]

"Holey Soles" was brilliant.

[@LJHamby9]

we need to see the Nice Beach crab in action !

[@KlemenSuligojTri]

Caption: "Hey Giulio, your shoelaces are untied"

[@merckxy54]

Dan, you are not alone, I also have very sensative feet! The worst thing for me is trying to trim my toe nails!

[@antonyadshead965]

Fatigue resistance at high intensity is all about lactate threshold, surely? Everyone has a point where lactate can no longer be processed efficiently. Mid-distance runners know this well. You can train to increase your lactate threshold (strictly the 'upper lactate threshold' - the lower one is around the top of your 'zone 2') by use of intervals that gradually increase the volume or work at lactate threshold between rests. Every 10k running training plan is built around this.

[@frantzs1077]

I might never have discovered the Agent Provocateur DIANAH Plunge Underwired Bra had I not been watching cycling shows. Thank you for information.

[@DavidFritzIII]

I suspect Dan exiting a stoney beach will rank right up there with Ollie riding a water bike.

[@adamweb]

I can't even comprehend being able to do 200+ miles a day for multiple days! 🤯I've been road cycling for 10 years and can count on one hand the number of times I've ridden over 100 mi!

[@StopTheRot]

Likewise

[@gcn]

Hahaha it's pretty special isn't it! 👀

[@anthonypink55]

I moved to France 4 years ago and have cycled over 50000 km, run tubeless and never had a puncture.

[@gcn]

It's the future 🙌 Tubeless is here to stay!

[@skipwalker1954]

Regarding the Bolero short sleeve... The question isn't about Watt's. Rather, WTF? And more importantly - WHY!

[@brannmacfinnchad9056]

The makeshift downtube shifter is 150% bodge. I mean, he could easily buy an actual downtube shifter, an adapter mount, and only run the derailleur and cable when you want, and leave the shifter there. PS, Riding downtube shifters off road isn't /that/ bad. You just have to plan ahead. And be poor enough at mtn biking that you're slow anyways 😅

[@Alex.R.Feyn.]

I think it is both genetics and training. Of course genetics will play a role but you need to "activate" the genes by training for them to transfer an effect to the cells and give an effect (gene expression).