The Original Plans for Terminator 3 and the Franchise

[@SuperiorSuit]

I'm so glad they chose Robert Patrick as the T-1000 I'd argue he's way more terrifying and his performance less human like than Arnold's T800

[@nicholasbennett7367]

Lance henrikson was supposed to be the terminator in the original. So Cameron basically got that idea in the second film and it was awesome

[@39Hundred]

Many years ago, I saw a documentary on the making of T2. James Cameron said Robert Patrick reminded him of a cat. Very alert. Analyzing his surroundings. He said the way Robert Patrick moves is very smooth and fluid. He also compared the Arnold model to a tank while the T-1000 is like a Porsche.

[@nicholasbennett7367]

@@39Hundred Patrick was much more frightening when I saw this as a kid!

[@regish759]

Patrick is awesome, no other actor could have given such a breathtaking performance ! Pun intended, since he managed to run after Connor's Honda XR and not only keep pace with it as intended, but at first even catching up to it easily (that would've made for an awful short flick) and forcing himself to slow down in later takes, all while restraining his breathing through his nostrils alone, keeping a straight and emotion-free face from start to end !! This never ceazes to blow my mind each time I rewatch this sequence...

[@user-dc9dn5sm8y]

Just glad they didnt go with Billy Idol lol

[@Antonio_Ortiz]

That original Terminator 3 script sounded way more interesting than what we got. Love these videos.

[@Former_Employee]

Imo it seems too convoluted.

[@carastone3473]

Interesting, but a little bit all over the place. I wouldn’t have wanted to see Sarah die.

[@egb50000]

@@Former_Employee Yeah, I agree sounds like this movie could have been two movies. But it wouldn't be good without Cameron writing it.

[@TechnologicallyTechnical]

I’ve read the script (you can find it online) and it’s REALLY bad. There’s a few interesting ideas, but the execution and dialogue is utterly atrocious for the most part. Anyone who says it’s better either hasn’t read it or has brain damage.

[@Simcitywok]

It does, but what happens? They save the world again and there’s no arc for the characters other than maybe John. What we got was infinitely worse: “talk to the hand”

[@BigDaddyJinx]

That original plan for T3 sounds like something I would've enjoyed. More than what we were actually given.

[@shaise]

Edward Furlong dropped the ball hard and I feel if he was cast he would've been in a better spot today. Fucking hell

[@DrQuagmire1]

@@shaise agreed!!! while Nick Stahl did an alright job with the material he worked with, he wasn't as good as Edward Furlong

[@Alamandorious]

Eh. I kinda like the concept that Skynet was a virus that became self aware after it infected, well, Skynet. It kinda makes the whole 'humans are my enemy' thing more believable, since human would have been trying to 'kill' it while it was in virus form.

[@Psych1_-]

I think they should have just rebooted the movie essentially for T3. They prevented Skynet from winning, but it only pushed back AI going bad. John Connor isn't essential as the future had been changed. They'd need to make big changes so it's not a copy of T1 or T2, no easy task. The Terminator/Terminators should feel similar but different as they weren't created by skynet. John and Sarah Connor aren't important. Because the time line has been changed the Terminator doesn't even know who they are.

[@xBrabus76]

Geez pipol should look up on Furlongs trajectory in the bad crowd!

[@albundy7794]

The opening scene of T2 is one of the best of all time. Killer future war stuff, awesome voiceover by Linda Hamilton, Future John Connor looking totally bad-ass, and then cue up brilliant score by Brad Fidel as the endo-skull appears through flames. Unabashed genius.

[@House_of_Data]

6 year old me was so conflicted over how it was such total bad assery AND absolute nightmare fuel at the same time

[@yugen]

@@House_of_Data Literally awesome to see as a kid in the early 90's

[@apphappy3796]

@@albundy7794 Its a good thing to start a scifi film with action to engage the audience right from start like George Lucas did in Star Wars. It worked didn't it?

[@nickmitsialis]

Hell, I think we all agree that those few minutes continue to be better than a huge number of movies that have been released since then.

[@yugen]

@@apphappy3796 It's called a "hook" and it's one of the first things they will teach in any good literature/writing class.

[@leewright1]

The tragic irony of O.J. not being seen as a killer. There's a lesson there. Also: now we know where "I must draw you" comes from.

[@roberttreacy8271]

Producers: O.J. is too nice to play a cold-blooded villain. Me: Yeah, about that…

[@Sytijinx]

Doesn't matter. He's r.i.p.'d

[@bobbyfagan7760]

Schwarzenegger is probably the most perfect casting ever

[@unclebobconner1417]

Cameron probably just said Arnie looks like a terminator lets get him lol 😆

[@Slim1423]

Arnold will always be the original Terminator........

[@unclebobconner1417]

@@Slim1423 hes the design of a t-800 model

[@Slim1423]

@unclebobconner1417 I was referring to Arnold as the main character in the Terminator movie series, not referring to his Terminator model number. I always wonder was Arnold's Terminator character based on a human, or did Skynet just randomly select his Terminator model to send back in time?

[@unclebobconner1417]

@@Slim1423 well as far as I know the endos were all the same but when they were disguised as humans they looked different so I'm guessing it was just a random selection that it was armies model they chose to do the job maybe because he looked the most real human you know most convincing or they thought he looked the strongest model they had but this is just me guessing but it was the same model in the terminator & T3 so if the models were different why did they choose the same model 3 times in a row doesn't make sense unless he just looked the best or they actually are all supposed to look the same it's a bit confusing however John Connor did say in T3 did they all come of an assembly line because he looked the same as in T2 he thought it actually was the same terminator as T2 but was a different model just same design

[@derekmontalto5488]

Vin Diesel would have been interesting as T-X. "At Skynet we're family."

[@natwolf687]

I imagined that for a hard moment. Nah.

[@maw1186]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@invisiblerevolution]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@yourlocalnemesisllc]

The third movie should’ve just had John becoming the leader and the machine war happening and it looping by sending Kyle back. Paradox trilogy. T1, T2 and a variation of Salvation. Great video. I hope the franchise can come up with a hit in the future.

[@user-hz5lt7ki2o]

I never got why people want these films to end with sending Kyle back. We know exactly what happens. Why have the franchise build up to that point. It's a anti climatic. I think the franchise had the perfect ending with T2.

[@yourlocalnemesisllc]

@@user-hz5lt7ki2o because what I described is a complete trilogy with a full arc beginning, middle, end. Anything else beyond that is welcomed for sure just like any other franchise.

[@user-hz5lt7ki2o]

⁠​⁠@@yourlocalnemesisllcbut why do we need a trilogy? For the sake of having a trilogy? We haven’t had a good T movie since 1991 and everyone thinks it’s easy to make 3. I bet the makers of T3 - Dark Fate would tell you they had full arcs set up for trilogies, doesn’t mean it’s quality. It’s so hard to execute. All those films are full of filler trying to set up future films rather than simply make a great film. Look at the failed attempts at trilogies over passed decade. I mean Terminator has 4! Why not just make a stand alone great movie. Why can’t we do Terminator without forcing a trilogy…

[@yourlocalnemesisllc]

@@user-hz5lt7ki2o you’re saying what I’m saying like I’m speaking against you lol. The franchise peaked at T2 yes. I’m satisfied with 1 & 2. What I’m saying is if there was a 3rd good movie that was MY take on what could have been not what should be. Turn off the friendly fire I’m a human not a machine lol

[@stitcha123]

@@user-hz5lt7ki2obecause they need everything tied with a bow.

[@dominicraynes1569]

Plot twist: Cameron wasn’t working on Avatar sequels over the last 12 years. He was building a time machine to send a terminator back and take out Gale Anne Heard.

[@thesupervisor3270]

Sophia Steward wrote Terminator and Matrix so a lot of this video is misinformation. Don’t believe me look it up

[@Matt_Mosley1983]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@adampeel6161]

Who's Gale Anne Heard? Never heard of her

[@Matt_Mosley1983]

@@thesupervisor3270 no, her story is made up, look it up you fool

[@dominicraynes1569]

@@adampeel6161 🤣🤣🤣

[@DinoDave150]

In my humble opinion, the best Terminator 3 we ever got was the game Terminator: Resistance. No spoilers, but the way the game ends perfectly wraps up the series and ties T1 and 2 in a perfect knot.

[@im3phirebird81]

i never played that, but I saw a playthrough of it and I must say you are absolutely right.

[@Olagfigh]

Agree! This is the T3 we have been waiting for since T2 :)

[@thegoodwin]

Oh yeah, Terminator 3: Resistance game. I like that game!

[@chrisdude2675]

I need to go back and play it.

[@thekingofra5063]

A very decent game. Highly enjoyable

[@JohnDoe-zr8pc]

I saw an interview with the director of T3, where he said he added the slapstick comedy stuff because he was afraid of having people say he was just copying James Cameron, so he wanted to put his own little spin on it. He said that looking back, he can see why people didn’t like it, and he wished he hadn’t done it.

[@markcarpenter6020]

Took him long enough. On the DVD commentary he was laughing about it all specially how he treated the T-X which was honestly one of the more interesting terminators since it was built to have emotions (it was specifically designed for long term infiltration missions). And that's not counting the interviews which he called the Terminator movies "silly kids movies".,.

[@1heKing]

i gotta say i admire the guy for at least trying to not trying to copy cameron

[@LordofMovies91]

Yeah, T3 is an entertaining movie by itself, but tonally off compared to the first 2. For me, the Terminator story is 1-Salvation and I feel that Salvation got the correct tone back.

[@markcarpenter6020]

@@LordofMovies91 not completely. Compare the future scenes in 1 and 2. With the future in salvation. The resistance is too well equipped and supplied in salvation. 1 and 2, showed people desperately struggling to survive, eating rats and using salvaged vehicles and makeshift equipment. In salvation they somehow have an air force and working submarine. The resistance wouldn't have had any of that. Subs require regular intensive maintenance to maintain their stealth capabilities(as in spending time in drydock maintenance) and also need to be resupplied with food and water every 6 months. And air force is silly. Helicopters I can see but every satellite that's left would be owned by skynet the minute it saw anything resembling an airstrip it would hit it with an (possibly nuclear) airstrike. And that doesn't count the fuel and maintenance needed to keep planes in the air. They might be able to steal fuel but the factories making parts for those A-10s would be long gone. Any air power they had would be a dwindling and ungodly precious resource. Honestly the Terminator video game. (I think it's called resistance) Got things better than salvation did.

[@digitalblunt]

Talk to da hand.

[@Omar-wq9dz]

Even after all these years, I’ve only ever seen the first 2 movies and the 3D park ride movie. That’s enough for me

[@deepflare1028]

Yeah, alternative ending of 2 is canon for me.

[@JR-ej9up]

Great Choice.

[@RisingUnderdog]

Same here! ​@@deepflare1028

[@carastone3473]

@@deepflare1028the alternate ending was too bright & sunny, figuratively speaking. Cameron was right; it didn’t fit.

[@LordSeth-hf8ew]

3rd, and salvation are worth watching as is the tv show

[@elskeletor3566]

Edward Furlong was cast as John Conner for part 3 but his drug addiction got in the way of him Starring in the film. Personally, I think they should of stuck with Edward and got him in Rehab. Edward Furlong would of made Terminator 3 so much better.

[@themobseat]

If you read an interview with Edward Furlong, he was incapable of doing acting at that time do to his addiction issues.

[@kathygonzalez1413]

​@@themobseatyes of course.

[@30AndHatingIt]

Hence the “they should’ve gotten him into rehab” part of his comment…

[@harryhenderson1973]

@@30AndHatingIt Do you know how long rehab can take? Do you know what the failure rate of rehab is?

[@yugen]

Yeah at the very least they should have tried to find someone that at least looked kind of like him.

[@eddieblancher7557]

In the original script of the first Terminator, another Soldier was supposed to help Reese protect Sarah Connor from the Terminator but was killed upon arriving.

[@Bread_45]

I think I read about that. Doesn't the guy time travel and materialise inside a wall, Philadelphia Experiment style?

[@carastone3473]

So glad Arnold kept after Cameron to make the sequel! T2 is one of my favorite movies of all time!

[@Ninja-Hayate]

T2 is still the best, whatever comes after it are just fever dreams.

[@mark-xc7oq]

8:48 it’s actually funny that arnold was happy cameron let him shoot someone in the leg since he wasn’t allowed to kill anyone

[@apphappy3796]

@@mark-xc7oq "He'll Live"

[@retroverdrive]

Judgement Day was the final Terminator movie.

[@Hallowpool193]

Agreed

[@joshslater2426]

I confess I’ve only watched the first three movies for the first time last week. It’s a mind-bending series, and I feel like it all made sense by the end of T2. The third one just muddled it for me, and I’ve yet to even try the fourth or fifth ones.

[@mikes5637]

​@@joshslater2426 ignore the haters and watch Salvation. Its flawed but the action setpieces are outstanding. Avoid Genisys though😅

[@josemanuelubedacancela8154]

Agree.

[@MrSmith1984]

20th Century Fox should have bought Carloco's Assets when they had the chance. Because not only would they have produced the 3rd Terminator Film, they would have also likely produced a Total Recall Sequel (based on Minority Report) as well.

[@purefoldnz3070]

4:28 If you think that's crazy, Cameron also completed the script for Terminator 2 and Point Break at the same time within a few days of each other. At least thats how the story goes.

[@giodhuha6771]

This is probably the most longest video you've ever made and i'm proud of that.

[@ericchilders9234]

Most longest? I'm not proud of your English. Skynet needs to go to the past and teach you how to read.😁

[@Maze383]

@@ericchilders9234 ever thought that English isn't everybody's first language?

[@BubleSwag]

​@@Maze383Americans never do. He was probably shoving a Cool Ranch Oreo in his mouth while he typed that

[@l.tc.5032]

The T3 original script honestly sounds great. I get that Cameron was angry but he kinda let his ego get in the way of making a great movie.

[@bhekuyisembhele4940]

Agreed

[@bnew5905]

That was one of the biggest backstabs of all time, screwing Cameron out of ownership and millions of dollars. Terminator was Cameron's baby. He pored his heart and soul into that franchise and wanted to be an owner and writer for it more than anything. You don't just "let go of your ego" for this one. Just try to put yourself in Cameron's shoes.

[@steventruong85]

I'm glad Cameron didn't go through with it bc of the fact he didn't want to go through with someone else's script which I agree. It wouldn't have been good imo.

[@AndyCarrington-cf3ib]

Didn't Cameron postpone making T3 in favour of directing Titantic? Kinda has himself to blame. If he cared so much about the franchise, he should have stuck to his original plan of making T3 with his script before moving on

[@Amadeus_Eisenberg]

Didn't let his ego get in the way of making a shitty Terminator sequel later on, though.

[@stvcherenfant]

Finally, this is a question I've waited almost 3 decades to find out, and the only thing I had to go off was the amusement park attraction.

[@PumpkinJack88]

I will, more than likely, never meet James Cameron. So here... I will say Mister James C. thank you so very much for making The Terminator. It has and always will be my most favorite movie. Thank you. Terminator 1 is a masterpiece. Only wish some of the cgi could be remastered.

[@geoswan4984]

@PumpkinJack88 ... you say "cgi"... did you really mean the special effects? Most of the effects were what are now called "practical effects" - that is actual models, and so on. I think the only computer effects were the screens we see, where the robot picks possible responses from a list of choices. If you want to replace the practical effects with CGI effects, I couldn't disagree more. Those practical effects were done extremely well. There are other films, that had practical effects re-done to use CGI, decades ago, and the CGI has aged badly. Leave it as it is, please

[@PumpkinJack88]

@@geoswan4984 the part with the knife and eye in the mirror is really mostly the part I would retouch.

[@Garrysullivanjones]

@@geoswan4984Stan Winston !!!!!

[@Garrysullivanjones]

@@PumpkinJack88that scene alone shows the brilliant effort of Stan Winston and his team . Mad. Respect

[@DavideTerminator]

​@@PumpkinJack88No! This is a fantastic B movie ! No CGI. Stan Winston🙏

[@HamiltonLLB]

3:03 that *aged* well 😂

[@johnpinneriv9958]

I know, WTF is that even from??

[@KasumiKenshirou]

@@johnpinneriv9958 I'm pretty sure this must've been after he'd killed two people and he was referencing the killings. Due to double jeopardy laws in the US, once he was found guilty he knew he'd gotten away with murder and could do things like this. O.J. even wrote a book called "I didn't do it, but if I did, here's how I would've done it" or something like that. Chris Rock had previously done a skit where OJ wrote such a book before OJ actually wrote that book, so I get the titles mixed up between the parody and the real one.

[@Didyourmomtwice]

It did age well given that OJ never killed anyone

[@peterlavery8830]

​@johnpinneriv9958 it's from an interview where he pranks the interviewer by pretending to stab her, this was after the court hearings

[@gizmomogwai1041]

"Man, I’m going to tell you, that is some bad luck when the one guy who would’ve died for you kills you"

[@ervly3234]

So far one of my favourite series you have covered, this whole franchise has so much going on.

[@thesupervisor3270]

Idk about all that but Sophia Steward wrote Terminator and Matrix. Don’t believe me look it up

[@Travelerr]

Actually 4's ending was supposed to be They'd put John's face on Marcus... Who'd then have his eyes go red and kill everyone in the room. Director even said as much. People reacted badly as they should have.

[@thebluemangoes8839]

If he didn't kill everyone, and it was about the symbol, that would have been dope imo

[@32BitJunkie]

What. Source?

[@davidw.2791]

@@thebluemangoes8839How can they still win the war if both John is dead and the Replacement is also evil?😮

[@thebluemangoes8839]

@davidw.2791 nah im saying if Marcus wasnt evil

[@davidw.2791]

@@thebluemangoes8839 Oh yeah you’re right!

[@leafyfeathers]

There would be so much testosterone in a Terminator movie starring both Arnold Schwarzenegger and Vin Diesel every man would leave the theater with a fully grown mustache and a Busch Light can in hand.

[@supergamer7473]

These videos are beyond fascinating in terms of how the process of filmmaking can change and rearrange day by day. Not to mention what became, rather than what could have been for better or worse, it really makes you think and appreciate what these people go through for our entertainment!

[@GoranNewsum]

Terminator, the film that didn't need a sequel, but whose sequel managed to surpass the original. And then the other films also happened.

[@DorkoDoes]

The most time stamps I’ve seen on a 20 minute video lol. Thanks for the extra effort 🙏

[@CorinnaXcool]

Sarah Connor Chronicles was best continuation of T2. I wish it hadn’t been canceled. The overall atmosphere of that show was perfection.

[@ScotsGal]

Totally agree ...I loved the Sarah Connor chronicles....it was better than T3 ,Genysis or the vile Dark Fate

[@kathygonzalez1413]

​@@ScotsGalI agree 👍

[@bensneb360]

To me, the best Terminator 3 is Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles… such an underrated show, great cast, and really interesting exploration of the different factions and the world of terminator

[@tyrannozilla]

My thoughts exactly.

[@ryanthoroman3293]

Loved that show

[@jerrygallo8314]

🤮

[@robirvine6970]

It's shit. No one liked it except a small group of hard-core fans. Why can't dorks understand this? You liking something bad doesn't make it good

[@SonicProfessor_a.k.a._T._Andra]

100%

[@ferrismcfly16]

Hasta La Vista the rest of my day I’m about to binge this whole video and the whole terminator series

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Haha

[@travismiddleton8218]

This other version of the Terminator 3 script sounds awesome.

[@markcarpenter6020]

I won't say awesome but better than what we got.

[@travismiddleton8218]

@@markcarpenter6020 true enough

[@Trey2dope]

I love Terminator Salvation, its such a badass movie and definitely underrated

[@user-hz5lt7ki2o]

badass? They watered down Terminator for Teens. They don't even play the Terminator theme lol. It's trying so hard not to be a Terminator film. It's just a cash grab set up film for a trilogy that never happened.

[@captainmobius5823]

RIP Anton

[@thekingofra5063]

Yes, a decent film.

[@christianaguirre4069]

Better than genisys that's for sure

[@peteralfredhess]

Love your use/editing of movie clips to compliment the play by play of the alternative film treatments. Cool stories and great work compiling/celebrating them!

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thanks!

[@tylertilwick6852]

This is just my opinion, so feel free to disagree; but I think Terminator Salvation would’ve been a good follow up to T2, had it been done differently. Had it been released in the mid-late 90s with either James Cameron or George Miller directing and made in the same vein as Mad Max - a post-apocalyptic, sci-fi, action thriller - I think it would’ve been great!

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Love that idea

[@rkalla]

Not just a fantastic recap but the editing of this video was absolutely spot on - every time uou made a new point about the intended script youd have rhe perfect b-roll to overlay

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thnx!

[@andrijadjordjevic9203]

so the 2 founders of carolco are the reason why we got terminator 3,Salvation,Genesys and Dark Fate

[@markcarpenter6020]

Yeah they did a really bad job. I see why Cameron didn't want them to own the rights.

[@TeachReads]

The trilogy of T2 novels (starting with 'T2: Infiltrator') did a pretty good job of continuing the universe.

[@tyrannozilla]

I've thought about reading them.

[@TeachReads]

@@tyrannozilla not to be 'that guy' and start plugging stuff, but I have the first one as an audio book on my channel. 'Rising Storm' and 'Future War' will follow.

[@tyrannozilla]

@@TeachReads Cool.

[@RisingUnderdog]

I'll have to look into those

[@TeachReads]

@@RisingUnderdog S.M. Stirling is the author of all three. There is some retconning (but that’s what you get with multiple timelines!) but the plot is sound. It picks up just after the events of T2 and then skips forward, mostly following Sarah and John (who is now 18). Skynet still somehow exists in the future, and has once again sent something back to change the past… The first book is good, but pretty long. The audio book version comes in at about 21 hours.

[@tyrannozilla]

Speaking of Terminator: Salvation, I feel that Sam Worthington would've been more convincing as John Connor over Christian Bale. He just had more of the look and charisma that I'd imagine John to have in the future war.

[@guysmiley4830]

I liked Salvation. It was better than t3 at least

[@CBU-oq1lu]

Worthington might be a good guy but one thing he has not, and thats charisma.

[@chrisdude2675]

Thats so true. He seemed more like a grown up Nick.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

Worthington was offered the Duke part in GI Joe but declined it. That went to Chaning Tatum.

[@tyrannozilla]

@@DavidLLambertmobile Sam would've been better.

[@nymike7278]

Your narration and the images you used are amazing I swear I feel like I just watched the alternate terminator 3 movie!!!

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thanks!

[@robgronotte1]

No one would have believed OJ Simpson could be a killer!

[@stsolomon618]

Love that Terminator 1 was done through guerrilla filmmaking.

[@stsolomon618]

I remember going to the Terminator ride. Fun ride.

[@maxxpower3d6]

I want to live in the timeline where Chyna got to be a Terminator

[@djpegao]

Yeah, maybe that would have kept her relevant or at least make her more focused on her carrer instead of falling to her inner demons.... or it could have speed them up, guess wellynever know

[@johnplemmons5075]

3:04 HAHAHAHA! “Cameron refused feeling OJ wouldn’t be believed as a killer!” 😂

[@eddieblancher7557]

Lance Henriken had been planned to return in the sequels where he survived the attack on the police station.

[@kytim89]

He would be paralyzed in a wheelchair.

[@thugsfunny7594]

After being hit by both an Assault rifle and an Automatic shotgun at point blank range? I doubt that..

[@eh2396]

Terminator: Salvation was a good movie. Way better than the last two. Wish we couldve continued that story.

[@stealthmode1303]

A lot of interesting ideas and had a lot of potential

[@shamusomalley4263]

Oh, good for you!

[@leecroft7311]

@@stealthmode1303Agree, shame that it carried on with Genisys (my vote for the worst of the series) But honestly I enjoyed Dark Fate. The only part I would have taken out was the T-800 that killed Conner ended up in a family and had a business that sells curtains or something… wtf was all that about, so weird. Everything else I liked. Terminator 3… take out the odd silly humour part, better movie. Salvation… really enjoyed it. Genisys… just awful throughout. Dark Fate… it’s no Salvation but better than T3 and Genisys.

[@pegcity4eva]

Drapes lol

[@johnpinneriv9958]

It at least attempted to not be a retread of T2, which every other movie was. I think it had some bold ideas, but ultimately just did not work at all for me (and a lot of other people).

[@spyder-man0462]

The Terminator franchise should have ended with Terminator 2

[@WillNelson73]

What do you mean? It DID end with T2 with old Sarah playing with her granddaughter on the playground.

[@spyder-man0462]

@@WillNelson73 Yes that was the true ending of the franchise

[@ereignishorizontab7218]

​@@WillNelson73I hate this ending, it looks and feels like a scene out of a star trek next geneneration episode.

[@QuicksilverSG]

Sarah Connor Chronicles was its worthy successor.

[@l.pricetag.5207]

No. TSCC was a great show and Resistance was an awesome game. Salvation was an interesting idea too.

[@SHRBJHD]

"But James, I want you to listen to me very carefully. I'm the Term-i-naeigh-TOR!!! NYAAAAAARGH! You have GOT to let me shoot somebody!! NYYYYYAAAArrrrGGGGhhhhHHH!!!!" "Ok, Arnie. Once in the leg." "NYYYYaaaaaaaaaaaa............."

[@Garrysullivanjones]

You own the arnold accent no doubt, get down

[@nasis18]

I just can't imagine Lance Hendrickson playing a robot.

[@Klaus-em3ix]

😁good joke

[@edgy_secular_memes367]

The original Time Machine is a biblically accurate angel

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

💯 don’t be afraid

[@ethandoyle4978]

Dang now I really wish we got the original story for terminator three

[@Merylstreep1949]

Gale Anne Hurd:"I'll buy that for a dollar " 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@kathygonzalez1413]

😅😅😅😄

[@nazart7830]

Terminator salvation aged really well compared to the other crap that we got

[@369frequencyandvibration]

The T3 ending ... and the T3 cutscene with an Austrian scientist ... are the best minutes of T3

[@iamtamashii4184]

Honestly I just want to see a successful trilogy set after Judgement Day, with the resistance against the machines. A young Kyle Reese as the lead. I thought Salvation was going to give us that, but not a lot of people liked it. Too bad. At least there's an anime series set during the war we're getting soon on Netflix

[@user-hz5lt7ki2o]

See I don't understand why we need a trilogy. That's a huge problem with T3 - Dark Fate. Every sequel after T2 tried to kick of a trilogy and we got set up films. T1 & T2 told complete stories. This franchise was never about trilogies. Look how many times Hollywood has tired to manufacture a trilogy and it's turned into a disaster. Hell, Terminator has done it 4 x now! Just give us one great future war movie. Make it Terminator meets the opening to Saving Private Ryan. 2hour plus war movie set in Cameron's future. If it's successful they can always expand. I think trying to create a 3 movie arc has really helped destroy this franchise. Salvation basically ends with John saying "tune in next week for the next adventure" .

[@Ultizer]

I always thought the original T3 script was a lot better. Some changes i would have made would be adding Kat Brewster and keeping Sarah dead (yeah i now but even Linda said her arc was done) and having the nukes actually go off like in the final version of T3. In the older script it really gives you hope that they can stop judgement day with John and the Terminator working with the feds instead of running from them in a sort of reversal. Judgement day still happening would be even more of a punch in the gut. John killing the T-X is great also, great way for him to step up instead of needing to be saved.

[@eesakhan6164]

Im not gonna lie, I think we should've been able to see James Camerons version of Terminator 3 and just moved on acting as if the real terminator 3 never happened, they tried to do this, but James Cameron decided to change every thing and make Dark Fate which was a horrendous idea and who knows what could've been going through his head when he decided to make those decisions. In my opinion they should just never make another Terminator movie and just do Dune prequels becuase the Dune prequel books are about man vs machine, so imagine Terminator in space, further more they could make it significantly different and more philisophical so it doesn't feel too similar to Terminator

[@mechajay3358]

2:12 Guess fighting over creative control on a movie with your future spouse doesn't make for a solid relationship.

[@andrewcoulthard-clark]

According to Schwarzenegger's autobiography, he didn't want to make a third, and didn't like Producer Andrew Vajna. However, he had been paid on T2 with the expectation there'd be a third, and the producers only got the money because of Schwarzenegger's name and threatened to sue him if he backed out.

[@jamesknapp64]

yeah he was considering running for Gov in the 2002 election, but b/c of threat of being sued for T3 he delayed that till the recall election with Gray Davis.

[@thedragonlee76]

One of the script ideas I read about years ago was a Back to the Future 2 concept.A Terminator and the heroes of the story go back to 1984 .They see the events of the first Terminator movie going on while they themselves are fighting, and they dont interact with them so that all the events never change.

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

This channel just keep knocking it out of the park, 6 mins in and it already provided so much insight. 10/10 would recommend

[@EndCreditReviews]

Terminator Salvation is underrated and got better with age.

[@dan_hitchman007]

I'm going to disagree with that. It makes T2 absolutely feel like the conclusion as Rise of the Machines does too many things wrong. For one, a completely weak and sniveling John Connor was an awful idea and the digital effects were mostly pretty bad. The script still needed a lot of work too.

[@Andrew-po8nt]

I liked Terminator Salvation more than Terminator 3 and the other 2 sequels after it.

[@shodancat1000]

i like how you examined the origins of "i'll be back" and note that Schwarzenegger said "i will" because he had trouble pronouncing the contraction 'i'll' and that Cameron loved it... yet the famous line is indeed "i'll be back." great analysis, 11/10

[@Abraham-yl2qs]

A 20 MINUTE VIDEO?? THIS IS CINEMA thank you Mr. Bullets and Blockbusters

[@Zarin_Tao]

wow this version seems way better then well what we got after well 2

[@BLBborn]

I actually really liked Terminator Salvation, so it's cool to see that it's part of some original furthering idea instead of being more of a cash grab. Thought that Sam's character was very interesting with him being an outsider's PoV to the otherwise already seen Kyle Reese and John perspectives. That and Christian Bale pretty much always rocks in whatever role he plays.

[@xLTxFire]

So Linda isn't okay with Sarah being unceremoniously dumped at the end of the film, but she's okay with John getting unceremoniously dumped at the beginning of another?

[@Olagfigh]

Probably two reasons behind it: she played Sarah, not John and also it was Linda from 2000s vs Linda from 2018

[@Shiirow]

Makes her involvement in Dark Fate all the more understandable, she had as much hate for John as the writers did. I wonder how much of her dialogue was just unscripted musings she had on set.

[@Plaprad]

Man, I got to see Terminator 3D when I was a kid. I completely forgot about it and was staring at the screen going "This is familiar..." I didn't remember it until you said the name. It was pretty cool, especially for the time. The dude riding the Harley around the stage was awesome. Thanks for dredging that one up.

[@louis3141]

Terminator Salvation was way better than Genesis and Dark Fate. Wish they kept the original ending to Salvation

[@sarrjel]

Terminator Salvations didn’t make enough money? What are you talking about? It came out at number 2 behind The Night at the Museum, it was number one world wide. It went through legal trouble and Chapter 11 Bankruptcy, which is why we never got a 5th film other than Genesys.

[@filipthefella7606]

It's shame that they didnt follow up on Terminator Salvation Trilogy ! It had a good continuity and the atmosphere of a dystopian future was good !

[@olliesmith2890]

If Robert Patrick had not had starred as the T-1000, i reckon Jean Claude Van Damme would of been a epic choice.

[@tyrannozilla]

I still believe that the "Sarah Connor Chronicles'" TV series was the best continuation the franchise ever received following T2. That show, imo, did a wonderful job in expanding the lore of Sarah/John and the future war, while also remaining respectful to the first two films (and ignoring T3). Of course, good old FOX didn't know what they had and cancelled it on, what is probably, the biggest cliffhanger I've ever seen in my life. The biggest kick in the face from that was that FOX didn't even announce that the show was cancelled till over a month after the final episode aired. You can probably imagine how upset my family and I were after that, as we had believed we were going to get a third season. Another kick in the face was that after that series, we ended up getting Genishit and Dark Fart in its place. And people wonder why Hollywood is considered a farce. So, even though the Sarah Connor Chronicles is an unfinished continuation to the franchise, I'd rather the story remain unfinished than turn to shit. EDIT: Also, the first Terminator is my personal favorite film in the franchise, and my favorite James Cameron film overall.

[@Christian39521]

If I remember correctly, the showrunner said at comic con that they had stories for 4 seasons. Interesting that Cameron wanted to do the third one with Fox and they aired the tv series. And the showrunner was involved in Terminator: Dark Fate. He was one of the writers.

[@tyrannozilla]

@@Christian39521 I've heard about that, and that details about seasons 3 and 4 haven't been revealed. I'd also argue that since the showrunner was involved with Dark Fate, his script probably got shredded during production, and that's how we ended up with that abomination.

[@QuicksilverSG]

I didn't see the finale as a cliffhanger, but as a full circle back (actually forward) to the human origin of Cameron. Had the series continued into a third season, it would've been rebooted into a completely different storyline, an apocalyptic wartime romance between John and Cameron (in human form). Frankly, it's kind of hard to picture how the show could've worked without Sarah Connor, as John's season 2 love affair with Kacy was pretty cringe and so much of Cameron's appeal was rooted in her robotic nature.

[@Christian39521]

@@QuicksilverSG if I remember correctly, the showrunner said that it acts as a series finale and as a season finale in case they didn't get renew. He mentioned it in the commentary. Thomas Deker and Summer Glau have given hints of what could've happen in season 3. I remember in the old days of the IMDB message boards, there were rumors of what would've happen in seasons 3 and 4.

[@tyrannozilla]

@@QuicksilverSG You do make a valid point with the finale. The way it ended, you could easily leave it ambiguous as to what would happen next. At the time, however, it was meant to lead into a third season. I do agree that Cameron's robotic nature is what made her unique, as well as some moments when her "humanity" kicks in (the episode where her memory glitches and she acts more like human is a masterpiece). Summer Glau's performance was truly one of the best I've ever seen, right up there with Lena Headey's portrayal of Sarah. Still, I would've trusted the writers at the time to deliver something interesting in season 3 and beyond, but we'll never know.

[@Matt_Mosley1983]

I LOVE Cameron .... but *DAMN that's a great script!* I understand him not directing, and Sarah should have sacrificed herself to save John so that he could save the world ... but I'm not gonna complain. I can't believe how bad they diverted. They pretty much just kept the title. *Subscribed!*

[@captaingeneroddenberry8439]

I had a chance to see and experience Terminator 3D and even though it was loud due to the machine gun fire it was awesome to see this continution from T2 and see Arnold back as the Terminator, Edward Furlong as John, does indeed battle across time and space.

[@kathygonzalez1413]

Cool

[@Streetpharmasist420]

This was really good, I didn't know of mostly all the stuff you stated.

[@ArmouredProductions]

What should have happened was a film version of Robocop vs Terminator.

[@NeoConnor1]

Terminator vs Matrix makes more sense.

[@nigel_saxon]

This T3 sounds better than the one we got

[@chillnspace777]

WAY better

[@Stefan_Gerards]

Edward Furlong looking like Keanu Reeves in that thumbnail lol

[@galactica1981]

Once a film becomes a franchise, it usually means disaster. History has clearly demonstrated this.

[@32BitJunkie]

There are exceptions. Marvel gave us like a dozen good films, toy story, etc

[@TheDanK88]

The inflections in this dudes voice - i just couldnt get past 2 minutes lol

[@Rschr101]

😂

[@Niftified]

When editing out breathing turns into having a break after each sentence.

[@TheDanK88]

@@Niftified thats completely fair. I did not view it that way. I do appreciate you bringing this insight to me

[@mhrinda]

Excellent work if you are able and willing terminator salvation trilogy and terminator genesis trilogy

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

For sure!

[@agent_bumblebee]

I still find it funny how O.J. Simpson was supposedly "Too Nice" to play The Terminator, considering what happened with him years later.

[@kathygonzalez1413]

Me too 😄

[@eyespy3001]

The problem with the Terminator story is that there’s nowhere to go with it after the second movie. The first one left an open end, where the Terminator’s parts could (and would) be discovered, furthering the development of Skynet. T2 tied that loose end up perfectly, but left nowhere to go after. Any attempts to further the story were just convoluted retreads of the same old tire. The only true way to expand on this story would be to explore into an alternate future, where machines and man exist peacefully side-by-side until a new threat arises and wipes out humanity. But, we already got that with The Matrix (which are the spiritual sequels to The Terminator).

[@Ultron71]

As bad as Dark Fate was it did drop the idea of an interesting take on the time traveling aspect. Since Skynet basically wiped itself out by killing Jon Conner and setting up a new future with another machine entity; then it releases for itself to survive it needs Conner. To make sure it survives Skynet sends another Terminator to stop Jon from being killed but at the same time there is Skynet vs the AI from Dark Fate both trying to keep its timeline intact, and we have Terminator vs Terminator. This could also introduce, and resolve, the alternative timeline from the 2nd season ender of The Sarah Conner Chronicles.

[@Olagfigh]

They could also make a prequel to T1 about war with machines. They could also go with something like Terminator:Resistance. So what they did? A silly parody of T2 with most lazy script possible. Worst decision in the history of movie sequels.

[@pwalt9716]

Some day you should do one of these for George Romero's Resident Evil

[@chloeirnes]

That script leaked online years ago. I thought it was pretty good! Certainly a lot more faithful to the game.

[@dan_hitchman007]

Next time, Cameron needs to say: "I won't sell that for a dollar!"

[@dillynsden]

I am SHOCKED to learn that Edward Furlong actually reprised his role in the T2 ride. I think he's the only actor to play John twice (Not counting Thomas Dekker who played John for 2 seasons)

[@kathygonzalez1413]

Me too 😁

[@accidentcellar6307]

Furlong is the most believable of all the actors that played speaking roles of JC.

[@Christian39521]

I believe William Wisher said that he was supposed to write the sequel to Terminator Salvation. It would've involved time travel. The T-1000, Sarah and Kyle were supposed to be in it.

[@user-qx4ic4db4f]

I liked the idea of T3's ending. Could've been interesting watching how JC becomes the Leader of resistance. With another film set during the future war after T3. The fact each film became less and less violent really sucked. Should've asked Paul Verhoven to direct the 3rd and 4th films. If Cameron wasn't available. That would've been cool.

[@jeremyfields9009]

Going off of T2 3-D:Battle Across Time being a stepping stone for T3 I assume James Cameron would’ve had the heroes go into the future and stop Skynet for good. We would’ve finally had a film that took place in that constant dark night future.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Agreed

[@raymondhartmeijer9300]

I hated that John Connor-killing in Dark Fate, it was set right after the events of T2, and it just feels like it destroyed the whole point of T2

[@kathygonzalez1413]

I know.

[@DeadRabbitRadio]

I am always so impressed by how you take different clips and make it seem like an version of a movie that was never made.

[@Vintage9x]

I always really like that as well.

[@DarkRealmComics]

What could’ve been: Joe Zito’s Spider-Man

[@ahmad55]

T3 and Salvation should have been combined into one movie, where after John sends both Kyle and then the reprogramed T-800 into the past and blowing up the Skynet time facility he has to trek across a post apocalyptic wasteland to get back to the resistance base. Armed with a smaller plasma cannon John with an other reprogramed T800 and found and activated Marcus Wright travel together fighting off wild Terminators patrolling the wasteland until their reality gets rewritten as the past does.

[@bebozaha]

Hey Bullets and Blockbusters, I love watching your videos and learning so much movie trivia and history, keep up the great work. Also here is a list of unmade movies that would be awesome to learn and talk about. -the 1980s attempted Live action Mobile Suit Gundam Move (with concept art by Syd Mead) -Steven Spielberg's and Amblin Animation's Cats move -the unmade animated movies of Don Bluth -Disney's Gigantic -the 1990s attempted Sonic The Hedgehog movie -the many attempted adaptations of the manga/anime movie AKIRA the many attempts to adapt Jeff Smith's BONE comic series -the many attempted Muppet movies PS sorry for using the word attempt so much

[@LeroyPatterson]

I loved Terminator Genysis, and am so bummed that the answers they left unanswered will remain that way. Such a fun reboot.