Bungie Accidentally made Destiny 2 WORSE... and YOU got Screwed...

[@KackisHD]

I don't even want to think about how many hours I may have spent farming weapons with Rolls that were nearly impossible to get... ...and I thought I was just getting unlucky. → FOLLOW ME ON TWITCH: www.twitch.tv/kackishd Join the Discord ► discord.gg/pzDWPuEtas More Destiny 2 Videos ► kzbin.info/aero/PLlNJ2PqJdcZ3mOMjFXGBRvoC1KF_Klp7X

[@DeadmanOnline-_-]

Can we get a build link?

[@_Razoray16]

@@DeadmanOnline-_- yes I was just thinking this

[@DeadmanOnline-_-]

@@KackisHD can we get a build link/video? [Sorry for 2nd message forgot you could @]

[@bruceyoukers3534]

Can we talk about the crap artifice armor from the new dungeon next lol

[@PunkRockz]

I got the god roll my first dungeon run during contest mode. Glad I didn’t vault it or delete it. All my friends hate me now lol 😂

[@zacharyabenante1814]

Bungie? Screwing over its own players? They would never...

[@אוסנתאמויאל]

Someone told me that bungie stole is money by making the game free after he paid, and i just slapped him in the face and told him bungie will never!

[@Such_wow_much_cringe]

At least Eververse(™️) works! 👉🤪

[@DragonKnight90001]

What next bungie being out of touch with the community and nerfs something *gasp* they would not dare!

[@szymonlxl6004]

Funny is that Digital Extremes is total opposite.

[@Xenomorphenia]

😂😂😂❤

[@TalkieToaster4U]

The funniest part of all this is, If they had done red borders for the guns, we would have never realised or been bothered 😅

[@funnystranger3380]

Funny part if people didn't complain about no farm left, they would've made the. Red border lol

[@MitchellTheMitch]

They honestly should give us Crafting 1.5 let us craft EVERY SINGLE weapon, and let us unlock more barrel, magazine, perk 1, and perk 2 rows, up to 3. Obviously not enabled at the same time, but let us be able to swap perks whenever we need to without having to go back to mars.

[@Kait07_]

@@MitchellTheMitch and make the crafting process better outside of "farm 5 copies of a red border weapon and spend some general use materials"

[@black2wo108]

You do know that if crafting stayed the same this episode, the dungeon weapons STILL wouldn't been craftable🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️

[@TalkieToaster4U]

@black2wo108 1, I said IF and 2, why wouldn't they? We can craft raid guns, so....? IF the weighting issue isn't easily fixed then red borders would be an easy fix for now to appease the community on this issue.

[@dragonspade6118]

I have said this for God knows how long, and have said the same thing not only with perk rolls, but also weapon and armor drop rate ratio, getting more armor than weapons. Nobody believed me. They just said, “no your RNG is just terrible.” Now look who’s laughing.

[@loreseeker6604]

The thing is its impossible to say from the outside wether your RNG is abnormal or not. You must first understand what the "normal"is. The only people who would even know is bungie and/or whoever made the software governing the RNG system. They are rhe only people who would know what the intended rates are.

[@theunderdog9353]

Man, the armor thing is so recognisable

[@wolfgang5359]

@@loreseeker6604 Based off this whole situation, I can say Bungie themselves don't even know what the norm is with this system.

[@LycorisLilyP]

I got the whole armour set in SE at least 2 times before I got a weapon lol

[@loreseeker6604]

@@wolfgang5359 more likely they thought it was one thing but in reality was something else. If its even real, sure they said it was but they could just be tryig to please the conspiracy theorists who would never believe them if they were told its just bad luck guys......me myself I wont pretend I can say for sure wether its real or not. Personally I have never had too hard à time getting rolls nor have I ever met à person who found it impossible, à bit harder sure. From my experience the RNG has seemed pretty fair, maybe I am lucky and everyone I know/ play with is as well, but I can only go by what I see.

[@dkiller15dw]

They looked at perk weighting. The thing people were claiming was the problem. It took thousands of data points to see this trend. We wouldn’t have known until this GL

[@DragonKnight90001]

My question is what weapons in the past we got could have brought this problem up sooner?

[@ministryofwrongthink6962]

It’s literally because people were FARMING A CHEESE! …and then had the balls to accuse the Devs of CHEATING! 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@papaspaulding]

Ive thought it was a thing for sometime when farming certain weapons as keep getting the same rolls or close enough yet the rolls i often want seem impossible despite basic probability telling me I should have at least one by now. Yet if bringing it up always told "yeah that's bad luck, just RNG bro"

[@ministryofwrongthink6962]

@@DragonKnight90001more data points with more possible perk combos. Plus the cheese farm was SUPER FAST. It’s one thing when everyone is farming the same weapons in regular cadence..but it’s another thing when people are farming a cheese that literally only takes less than 2 minutes to farm

[@DMNATRDM]

Glad this finally came out with hard evidence..

[@DC0096]

This makes sense seeing as they literally disabled crafting season weapons and forcing you to grind out the game more because crafting the weapons mean less playtime overall according to them.

[@Bill-e-Goat]

How about they just give us the ability to always craft any weapon then everybody always has something to chase and we’re not walking around pissed off because we can’t get the weapon we want🤷🏾‍♂️ then they can focus on dropping good activities to keep us around if I’m having fun. I will play the game.

[@DC0096]

@@Bill-e-Goat😊oh no I agree with you I’m just saying like it could be that they knew. I don’t think they didn’t know, cause for the drop rates to be that rigged it almost seems like it had to be done intentionally. They’re take is that letting us craft weapons and making our god rolls means we would be done playing the game sooner. I don’t see how that’s the case though since before this season we had to come back every week for the quest line and some more potential drops. Now if this was intentional it makes sense why crafting wasn’t included this season cause I have feeling they knew. In knowing that the perk system is rigged and we would play longer for it to keep their current player base higher. Unfortunately for them it’s backfired when the community banded together.

[@funnystranger3380]

​@DC0096 we came back every week, and they heard the player base yell and scream, complaining about coming back every week. Not craft able because the player base complain about no grind lol

[@OMJNRG]

But dungeon weapons were never craftable

[@wolfgang5359]

Counter point to Bungie, if they want more play time from their players and maybe even get some of those old players back, maybe they should work on making the game fun instead of stuff like this terrible episode system that no one asked for.

[@drfeelgood321]

does no one else remember that we had this problem way back in season of the forge

[@ministryofwrongthink6962]

It’s only being noticed because people were able to farm a cheeze in like 2 minutes of a dungeon

[@CRAVEN79]

Rick - stop describing it as a ‘glitch’, it’s not a glitch. It’s designed man to keep people playing longer.

[@e2ne0tr1x]

Honestly, this is a bug that is very hard to find out with a small number of people testing. The first statement is just saying they did not do it intentionally. They found the bug, they will try to fix it, that’s it. As some of you guys might know, computers cannot produce real randomness. This is probably a symptom of that.

[@randumb2295]

TIP 💡 Play Kackis videos at 2X speed and his overly long winded explanations where he has to tell you the entire history of Destiny, become slightly more bearable.

[@DaFranchise718]

You know he got to make videos a certain length to get those ads lol

[@sicwill23]

I think he was the first channel I realized I both could and should watch at high speed. Now I watch almost everything at 1.75

[@ismaelmeza3220]

Funny story. When I was running Vesper days ago, I made a Markiplier joke at the Servitor boss. The joke was "what are the odds we get 1987 as the numbers?" The Bite of 87. And just the other day, low and behold, we got it 1987. The coincidence is on that same run, after beating the final boss, I got two well rolled ARs, my friend got a good fusion, and my other friend got one of the myth roles of the heavy gl. IT'S A CONSPIRACY! Bungo was listening and graced us with the KING OF FNAF! 🐻🐓🐇🦊👑

[@Such_wow_much_cringe]

The eff did I just read?

[@kingjamos2422]

@@Such_wow_much_cringe A stroke, I think.

[@ismaelmeza3220]

@@kingjamos2422 it was a stroke... of luck 😂

[@kingjamos2422]

@@ismaelmeza3220 Good comeback. Well played. lol

[@TheMesosuchus]

The levels of zero fucks I give about this cannot be quantified by physics.

[@bakerfresh]

Well, if it's enough to post, andxwe are using physics, I'm sure there's a Quantum Algo lying around here somewhere to figure out?!? Chafing May Vary.

[@hasercorp8140]

Same zero fucks given

[@Megabyte2k4]

Totally agree with you here. I'm really sick of the amount of players that complain about Destiny because they make this game their life and have nothing better to do. They complain about not being able to get what they want fast enough and then complain that they don't have anything new to do when they finally get it. People, please go find other things to do. I have so many games that I never get around to playing for playing Destiny and a couple of other games with friends in my free time...I only work 40 hrs a week, so it's not I work more than average either. That being said, I am still so far behind on not only this season/episode, but we didn't even get to finish the last one. So there is PLENTY to do, if you don't TRY to blow through it all at once. 🙄 Also, wouldn't it be better that you get it after playing for a while over time And get it randomly instead of when you're super grinding it...? And I have a feeling that this is also happening (the complaining) because they couldn't get it while the exploit was available. 😠

[@ocularcavity8412]

"Technically" not lying, you mean like how the Curse of Osiris Public even was supposed to be "More Rewarding" and then the person demonstrating it gets 2 tokens and blue, not sure which is worse them Lying - like they do when they think we can't catch them ( Xp Throttling ) or them being inept and ARROGANTLY DISMISSIVE (all the rest of the time)

[@Patrickisat]

XP throttling while selling XP boosters to earn 'ONE TIME USE' Shader. Make a problem, sell a solution.. to then throttle the solution so it's like you don't even have an XP boosters on. LoL it's shadier than just xo throttling

[@fiese80]

As of today's.. I haven't got "Collective Obligation".. im done grinding raid weapons.. like " Vex Mythoclast".. ( took a few years to get it).. to add more to this. Yes, Bungie needs to better..

[@mrxbot5009]

Listen Rick, you gotta stop giving Bungie the benefit of the doubt. They have always done deceitful things that they blame on “accidents,” or “bugs,” please stop letting them get away with it.

[@johnnyhall9154]

@mrxbot5009 no, it's literally an issue with computers' randomness. It's a legit thing that happens and has caused issues for shit outside of gaming. Y'all just know nothing of programming

[@BigBrotherWebb]

As a semi casual player, I assumed it was always weighted. Makes perfect business sense to me 🤷‍♂️ Kids are so impatient these days.

[@johnnyhall9154]

@@DrKFlares yeah okay bud, randomness in computers is not the same as randomness in life. At least look into it before commenting

[@sirsliderr1180]

@@DrKFlares as someone who doesn't lie and say they're a professor of statistics just to make myself look smart to people on the internet, I can confirm that computers are shit at randomness, and this has been a problem since the dawn of computers. This isn't bungie's fault, it's C++'s fault.

[@lloydtancred]

Streamers - we don’t want cRafTable weapons, we need R&G to keep players playing- we already had dungeons with craftable weapons but some streamers complained about it and Bungie listened, now some same streamers are saying drops are badly weighted, you get what you ask for.

[@SkonkBot]

It's not really an issue with the code but rather an issue with the typical way you generate random numbers when coding. Computers can't actually create random numbers, so they have to be psudo-random; they are based off a "seed" value, which is often something like a timestamp (time on a computer is measure in milliseconds elapsed from a certain date and thus is always unique) - the problem is, if you generate multiple random numbers in sequence you can end up with a pattern showing up due to the seed not changing enough. Certainly NOT done on purpose and probably far more common in games than people realise.

[@weltenfresser3546]

If you are a big game developing company like this, your development team would know this and try to work around it. Yes, you are right about how RNG works. But business is different. At that point they've just looked the other way and let it be as it is because they couldnt be bothered to fix something that benefits them. And if they TRULY had NO clue, then its just incompetency to allow something to go on this long. Sure, you can say "no, they are not incompetent, they made such a successful game even with this bug" but thats a whole other matter; the concept and premise of the game is fun and exciting, but as reflected in the community, the execution is quite terrible. We are EXCITED for and CANT WAIT for the new events and loot and whatnot, but actually doing the required actions and events and playing the game is unfun and boresome. It seems that the community has finally found out one of the many reasons why.

[@funnystranger3380]

​@@weltenfresser3546 borderlands had this issue sword art online had this issue wow still does. Want me to keep going? Alot of company have this issue.. this code is something you need to look into on paper works perfectly works well. But when you get deep into it you start to see the computer making a pattern.

[@KarltheBarl]

Look up the word oversight or human error. These people are not robots mistakes happen even ones that don’t show immediately and take years to become an issue like this

[@lukaskrause1147]

This, plus one thing that people won't realize is the fact that a single day of the game being life creates more data than 100 years of 24/7 testing of a single tester (obviously there's gonna be more than one tester but the point is to give a scale on how much data us needed to see something like this). Also Bungies devs and testers firmly believed that the RNG system WORKS and has been working for the last 7 or so years in d2, so why should they focus on testing that when they have a whole dungeon to test, find out bugs with that and give us the frankly said great experience most people had with day 1 vespers host. Honestly people just want to see the game devs as the evil guys and blame them for everything and click bait titles like this are really not helping ... Get your shit together and actually realize that it's human beings making this game and that every human makes mistakes, the only reason why most bugs in huge programs are never realized by you or me or anyone out there is because we don't look into the genre deep enough. Hell take the Microsoft Suite, literally any Adobe product, Googles products etc, each and every one of them has major bugs once in a while that nobody finds until they are life. Oh and they don't have the SERIOUS disadvantage that destiny does because literally everything in Destiny is RNG based and testing RNG based systems is a massive pain in the ass

[@Desaved]

They also weight players differently too. Many players get better loot based on their proximity to influence. It's been a scam since the beginning! I smell a class action lawsuit!

[@Superman1of2]

I've noticed that too! Like the top streamers always seem to get the raid exotics within 5 clears and seem to get God roll drops more frequently then other players!

[@funnystranger3380]

​@@Superman1of2 lol who, takes some youtuber many trys. And no that is false the difference is you work they work by playing all day. And man I have alot alot of youtuber as friends also am I a youtuber pulled ice 2nd try

[@SeanRandall-fx9hk]

And this kind of thinking is why Healthcare costs so much unnecessary suing fuck lawyers and people who think like this

[@sirsliderr1180]

Aint no way youre gonna sue because haven't gotten touch of malice 💀 RNGesus please bless this man before he wastes a lawyer's time 🙏🙏🙏

[@kmhowells2]

Ah yes, good ol’ streamer loot RNG😂

[@rayroberge3667]

I was a beta tester for both D1 and D2. I loved this game. Took a year long break because I felt a few short seasonal missions and a mini game wasn't worth paying or playing anymore. I came back for final shape. This once more is making me feel as if they just do not care about player time. And a repeating pattern like this is not an accident in code. It just isn't.

[@sirsliderr1180]

It is an accident. Computers are actually incapable of making anything random. It's actually pretty interesting if you research it. Hope this helps.

[@Barstow66]

I came back for Halloween 🎃 but was disappointed so uninstalled again bring back leviathan!!!

[@Daniel-es4gh]

Let’s be real, content creators and the community themselves screw the community over more than Bungie

[@thatonepenguinperson618]

Content creators? Nah, not really. Most destiny players are NOT watching KZbin or paying attention to Twitter and are just playing the game casually. Content creators are very small in terms of influence when it comes to the scope of what's wrong with Destiny. It's also hard to blame a community for being toxic when the way the company treats them is historically toxic.

[@titanjakob1056]

Got screwed again Remember them taking out all the dlcs we paid for seasons included Don’t forget them also throttling experience for bright engrams in year 1

[@hydro452]

This video made me realize that Destiny 2 players are nerds bro. Like at this point, I wouldn't be able to see the difference between a D&D player and a D2 player. Like something goes wrong? They both pull out a sheet of paper and start calculating what went wrong😂

[@Libra00]

The greatest problem about RGN in Destiny is its very existence. Rewards should be a guaranteed thing upon challenge completion - not something left to chance.

[@funnystranger3380]

And kill the game in a blink of the eye? After a week what will you do lol it a rng base game.

[@Libra00]

@@funnystranger3380 that would still be better than what we have right now. There is no point chasing after something that you’ll never get, like a carrot on a stick. As it stands, I have no incentive to play this game at all. I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I firmly believe that Destiny 2 was at its best during Year 1, when the RNG was kept at a minimum.

[@funnystranger3380]

@Libra00 sounds like you like cod only.. Guess what stat wise you, one of the few, it killed activities killed raids with crafting i never see deep stone never see king fall but what I do see is vault every time. Why because people still want that god roll

[@michaelmyers5496]

So would it be better to make everything craftable? If it’s so hard to obtain a certain god roll out of “rng” wouldn’t it be better to just craft the god roll yourself? But then again, the destiny community did just recently get very upset about crafting and how easy it was to get the god roll and then give up on playing the game once you’re done.

[@morallyinsane7639]

Taking a second look, it might be that the code has what mathematicians call a fractal pattern anomaly, which always occurs in nature and is common among mathematics. Thus it’s unintentional. The problem is how to fix it, and the best solution is to make all weapons craft-able or to create a code that allows for focusing specific perk combinations to allow for more drop frequency.

[@heY-iTs-nAtHan-0.0]

maybe thats why i cant get ice breaker

[@SnazzyLamp]

You know what we're going to play anyways because of youtubers saying we need this God roll and people are like a hivemind that's why you see everyone using the same thing

[@Superman1of2]

Exactly, and it's the same with builds! I miss the old days when we had affinity armor and had to check w Ada 1 everyday to get that armor mods we needed! At least back then, we had way more unique builds as where today so many are alike!

[@combatvetgaming7082]

Hivemind you couldn't have said it any better. It's like if some KZbinr didn't say you had it it's not worth using. Hivemind so true, I like how you think my friend

[@Shardo44]

Imagine if this news broke months to a year ago, oh they’d be done done

[@shadowstar9619]

This just makes the case for crafting

[@itzdan0s477]

Why is Destiny so reliant on gun RNG? If that’s all that’s holding this together we got more problems then just “ weighting”. How about making a game that we can actually play and have fun without it feeling so restrictive .

[@LucidDreams024]

Why is it everytime I pick up destiny again there is always some kind of drama!! Ruining it!!

[@funnystranger3380]

Because youtubers are making it drama lol. You know code isn't random most games have this. Unlike bungo they say oh it part of the game lol. It not intended this happen in borderlands wow sa d4 KZbinrs make this alot bigger issue then it is. Because views look at the tital unplayable. If this is tru for everything you better farm god rolls rn alot of them are right next to each other lol

[@DMNATRDM]

Don’t waste your time.. this game is only here to fund bungie’s other projects

[@sirsliderr1180]

@@DMNATRDM if you don't like destiny why are you watching destiny videos? You're just making yourself angry and being negative towards others. It's very unnecessary. Also I would like to mention that it isn't bungie's fault. Since the dawn of computers it has been impossible for a computer to make completely random numbers.

[@GRANDHUSTLEXX1]

It’s been since final shape. Not just this season. Which is very shady from bungie

[@na4hotx]

No way this was accidental. They knew it's been going no for years. Can't tell you how many times I found prospector and still have never seen the role I want

[@Bill-e-Goat]

Agreed and if they truly had no idea how incompetent are they to not catch this for seven years…

[@loreseeker6604]

You guys clearly dont understand how complex the system is. Its entirely possible it was an accident. Its narrsacistic to ascribe the only possible outcome of à complex situation to malice aginst you.....I got news for you guys most people just want to go thru they daily job with as little hassle as possible they are not setting out to screw people over.....most dont give 2 craps about you they care more about getting thru work and paying their bills/ personal problems. Grow up not everything is a personal attack. Also so are you guys perfect in ypur jobs? You never make accidently mistakes? So every time I get a wrong order at a restaurant its à personal attack? Come on guys thats obviously silly, and these examples are far more simplistic than the system that runs the RNG not to mention the thousands of interlocking systems that exist in destiny thzt could have unintended effects......this take is juvénile.

[@doubledown8229]

​@@loreseeker6604One of the biggest copes I've ever read, and I couldn't even finish it

[@loreseeker6604]

@@doubledown8229 your the one coping my friend; you must be duelsional to honestly believe the situation is so simple that the only possible way it could habe happened is malice. Your victi m complex is givi g you major copium my friend.

[@doubledown8229]

@@loreseeker6604 Another copium reply that I couldn't finish. I don't want to get into a back and forth. Blocked

[@csharp57]

What if one of the developers knew they were getting laid off and put that code in before they left 😂😂

[@esbam2002]

Having been a military MOSQed analyst with "attention to details" still ringing in my head. I saw it going back to grinding rolls on the Blast Furnace and Elsie's Rifle, etc. There was no way the perk rolls were random with the pattern of common perks I saw showing up. Where as other more desired perks were not as common. It had the reverse affect on me. I made me hate the game and the grind. As I wanted to play other parts of the game, but was forced to just hamster wheel this one event. I accepted it for what it was, and I finished and got what I wanted in that event in regular drops. As the shiny drop rate was abysmal and getting the perk combos you wanted near non existent. But the bad feeling remained after it, and I eventually left the game and went to other games that didn't waste my time in forced extended grinding. Even in other drops/events I could see a pattern of perks that were dropping, and which were not dropping.

[@jackscothgaming5610]

Swear to you, Wave frame of Arc conductor Ergo Sum was almost impossible to acquire yet travelers chosen rolls were hecka common

[@wolfgang5359]

Is this at all surprising? We have had rng issues with this game for years and it has only gotten worse. One reason why crafting should have just been the focus. To go with that, counter point on the if they get the god roll they will stop playing. If Bungie actually made the game good again, not only would players be playing more because it is fun, but also we wouldn't be at an all time lowest player count. If they are planning on fixing this, they better increasse certain drop rates on top of that like exotics from raids/dungeons, exotic class items, and even red boarder drop rates. Many other games have far better rng systems like Borderlands and others like Warframe are a one and done with crafting, yet people keep playing because they aren't needing a god roll and instead the game is great with the weapon as it is.

[@SavanBerry]

Exacto!!

[@funnystranger3380]

Warframe is not 1 and done, warframe is farm relics alot of them, then open relics hope to hit the 2% chance lol.. So it rng about getting the right relic to drop 5min for relic is average. Then if lucky 2min if you open if the mission right. And hope you get the 2%. On top of all that to craft the gun you need 3 parts and the bp what all drop from different ones. If you not a hard core hour on hours farmer and maximize you chances it can and will take forever Then you havevthe mods to make the gun usable ohh boy some mods took me 5h of hard maximize farming don't get me going on the special mods that give random stats I been trying to get my gun mod god roll riven. Over 375 times ONE MOD. THAT IS ALMOST 1MIL KUVA TO FARM JUVA YOU GET LIKE 8K IF LUCKY FOR 30 MIN LOL

[@wolfgang5359]

@@funnystranger3380 You are mainly thinking prime parts for the relics and yes some weapons do require 3 parts other than resources. However, when I mean one and done, I mean once you have the weapon , you don't need to farm another for a different perk roll. Instead, you craft it, can keep it, and mod it however you want after. If the weapon isn't good, you can just sell it after getting the mastery exp and never have to worry about it again. That is the sort of thing I mean with that system. Also with the relic system, you can also play with others to increase your odds of those part drops as if another player got that part from their relic, you can just choose that instead of the one from your own relic. Meanwhile the only way to boost drop rates for dungeon exotics really is do a 3 man activity solo and without dying, and even then with all the drop rate increases it's still less than a 5 star characters/weapon in a gacha game. Hell, thinking about it as well come mods and resources can have their drop rates increased using certain frames like Nekros, Khora, Hydroid, Ivara, and Atlas. DE actually made ways to shorten the grind if you work towards it while Bungie's drop rate increases equate to a slap on the wrist. I mean with Atlas even, you can increase your drop rate higher than 100% thanks to his mod too so he is literally the best farming frame on top of one that can one-shot kill even Steel Path content that isn't stuff like Profit-Taker or Eidolons.

[@julius7539]

People who say that crafting causes people to play less are wrong. This season they removed crafting from the seasonal weapons but the player count numbers on Steam charts are absolutely horrible. The lowest numbers for any season ever. It's time to bring back crafting.

[@funnystranger3380]

@wolfgang5359 1st off, you go for prime guns 99% of the time, lol. That the farm and you still have rng in alot of "one and done" alot of them are locked behind walls of time like faction guns. 2nd, you didn't even want to mention the drop rate for relics to increase your chances of playing with others (maximize you play time like i mention) Nekro does not help with a lot of the mods. A lot of mods are from rewards at the end. Do you play warframe? I personally love that game, Mr 29. And time is your friend in that game

[@michaeljaca7831]

They fired the guy who prevents this.

[@Bill-e-Goat]

Honestly, I would not be shocked if that was a big part of this or if somebody did this on their way out the door as a “have fun fixing that”

[@allanfitz3535]

The mad thing about this is. Destiny isn't even good anymore. Same boring challenges. Boring puzzles. Boring enemies. Boring boring boring.

[@Ncogniigro]

Perk weighting? I smell Sony. Devs should abandon this logic that players enjoy farming. WE DON'T! WE NEVER HAVE! That's why the first descendant players are dropping numbers enormously. Give us a fair chance at the rolls we want.

[@00GrnGT]

All bungle had to do was say "we hear the community and we are looking into it please send any data you have" easy peasy

[@blackwingdeath331]

How do you “accidentally” make a game worse no you made it worse on purpose that’s why I don’t play it anymore along with the constant micro transactions and 40-50$ dlcs should’ve just stayed with halo bungie

[@Bill-e-Goat]

Exactly that is one of the many reasons I stopped playing about four years ago. I’m actually shocked that they made such a good game with as incompetent as they are.

[@funnystranger3380]

​@Bill-e-Goat yet you still here lol, you still playing

[@damionvoorhees149]

​@Bill-e-Goat That's cause theyre not incompetent at all. Everything is intentional. Bungie has a long history with this game of trying to make themselves look like they're a victim of activision or making honest mistakes and playing thr victim saying that making content is hard, the code is spaghetti code, the engine is outdated. You name it, I've seen them use it as an excuse. If they truly were this incompetent, the franchise would've fell on its face years ago. They know what theyre doing. And they have aspects of gambling/addiction riddled throughout the game. They've even openly admitted that they brought in experts to incorporate things to make players get more addicted to playing. Everything that they have done has a predatory undertone. From the beginning. Its been years since they can use activision as a scapegoat too. They're just either shitty people or a shitty company. Whichever is the case, me and alot of other people have sworn to never support them again. Its not a coincidence that they're going down in flames. And they will eventually just be absorbed into Sony or close the doors once they've finally done one scam too many and the rest of the rose colored glasses people in this community stops defending them. It takes a very estranged company for activision to step back and say... "yeah.. no thank you"

[@lucienmoolman8017]

I really wanna see a developer insight into this bug. Could be really interesting

[@DMNATRDM]

100% nobody will take accountability

[@alexthegemini666]

Isn’t it obvious, they need you to continue to play these activities, it would make no sense for you to get the god rolls off a few or even a hundred runs. They have to keep you in these activities as much as possible it’s not personal it’s just business, don’t over think it and have fun

[@adamasimmons3175]

I see that, but after 10 plus runs, it becomes tedious and unfun. Ill tell you, remember back to Gjallarhorn. some never got it till the weekend the sold it before the nerf, that was years. The weapon not dropping right will keep yoiu playing but also keep that clock ticking on Im gonna stop playing if this doesnt drop soon.

[@alexthegemini666]

@@adamasimmons3175 I completely understand what you’re saying but this is a company they don’t care about you “feelings” they just want your playtime and will do what it takes to keep you there. It’s very manipulative tbh but who cares really, Lets just enjoy ourselves, tired of hearing people complaining about evverryyything. life is too short to be angry about video game.

[@JQDeathFromAbove96]

Refund the Cost of the dungeon in silver.

[@DMNATRDM]

Won’t happen

[@JQDeathFromAbove96]

@@DMNATRDM I know. Bunjew is a greedy corporation and will white lie to the players then claim innocence when PROVEN GUILTY and a FRAUDULENT LIAR!!!!!!

[@saiyantwan]

this is why i don't care about rolls and don't hunt for certain ones.

[@W1NDY_2007]

Bungie still haven’t fixed the Cayde’s fate mission so new players can’t get past guardian rank 3. This has been a problem for 3 weeks and Bungie have known this. In order for a game to stay popular old players leaving need to be replaced by new players and a glitch preventing new players from progressing would make them not want to play the game. This is literally contributing to the death of Destiny and urgently needs fixing

[@w4yne3d61]

The worse thing with bungie is the never test stuff properly and it shows in so much content

[@stylinggamer2]

This has been going on for years. There are roles I absolutely can not get.

[@JasperPerri]

Ive been trying to tell my friends this for years now. I seem to always get the same perk combinations when i farm a single weapon. It seems so obvious now that everyones speaking up.

[@attackondak]

The data doesn’t lie, folks

[@stephenmcdine1839]

Similar to the exotic class item, I'm still waiting for spirit of severance and spirit of contact..... I have 50 stoicism sat in the vault and still farming for that roll

[@SuperMikeAttack]

TOTALLY INTENTIONAL. The organization of perks on the list is NO accident. It's obvious

[@DMNATRDM]

Agreed

[@SMDoktorPepper]

Kind of surprised no one is mentioning the drop rate on the seasonal marks...I can get all the other armor to drop, but absolutely NONE of the class item.

[@Yaniks677]

Bungie can't lie because numbers don't lie

[@linorics]

I can only imagine the poor bungee developer that’s been screaming at management. That’s how to take it open for five years talking about this issue and saying it needs to be investigated and looked into further only to have leadership. Tell them to be quiet nobody’s complaining about it.

[@stevengordon2145]

"you think you have everything, just because you chased it or beat a lesser opponent...when in fact you have nothing None of us ever did" Listen to common sense, not the words of those with vested interests behind a screen, selling a dream or a lie to you. Play it for what it is.. enjoy the experience, and go on with your day.

[@chincemagnet]

Everything Bungie does is calculated to screw over the player.

[@seanhight6948]

I will reiterate until the game shuts down: it took me 3 whole seasons and over 200 drops to get Gutshot Straight and Kinetic Tremors on Randy's Throwing Knife ONCE! And I still haven't had a second one drop.

[@TheMesosuchus]

You are one of the people Bungie claims doesn't understand RNG

[@gomolaspeed4498]

To be honest, I could understand the more desirable perks being weighted. Bungie has to try and keep us in the game loop. That being said, I doubt this was deliberate, just pure bungie stupidity.

[@alexlikesfoood]

"The game was rigged from the start." - Benny: Fallout N.V.

[@nlcwilson2017]

Honestly Bungie owes players compensation. That dungeon is very expensive and people spent hours and hours and hours in it for essentially a false advertising situation

[@mcjustice1975]

i don't understand why people are so surprised they new this was happening and have been doing this for years to keep player engagement they now have to say it's a bug because they got caught so shady

[@erronlatham940]

"Damn Bungie. In highschool you was the man Bungie... F*k happen to you." -Daily Gamer

[@CHIEFBOWMAN]

Omg this is honestly pitiful

[@echosartplanet2210]

Does this mean the end of Destiny as we know it, the player base is low already with the lackluster episodes, and now this. If we are to believe this has been going on for years, Bungie will be screwed and won’t take anymore convincing to bring your community back.

[@ChefRonnieBoy]

Nothing surprises me with this company anymore.

[@Francoiis]

Don't even know how they could even screw this up. Random function is like one of the most fundamental function in any programing language. One would think it's as simple as running random function per perk column using system time as seed. Since each perk column is calling the random function sequentially, they will always have a unique system time as seed number, yielding results that has absolutely no correlation between perk columns. I'm sure Bungie is not going to share how they wrote this code. I'm hoping someone more knowlegeable would share their insight into how this could've been coded "unintentionally"., because I really don't see how...🤔

[@sands201]

How hard is it to make it so that every perk has an even chance to drop on a gun. This is just garbage.

[@guillermopacheco5005]

People cheating the game and complaining about not getting a god role…. Well played Bungee

[@keithulhul7540]

I can't believe people didn't know this. No one noticed the same drops happening time after time ? I once had 4 world drops of the same weapon and perk combo in my post master and figured it out. Also raid drops are rare for me. And people forget that bungie had controversy because they worked with addiction experts when making the game.

[@uniqueidentity1362]

That might be the dumbest thing ever for any company thinks....don't want them to get the drop cause they stop playing...we chase the drop so we can enjoy playing to use that roll

[@moist_blue]

This is why never farm,either I get it or I don’t.

[@MostcallmeTim]

I’ve loved Bungie since Halo days, but it makes me sad they continue to move away from what made them great.

[@specterxp8447]

While I'm a little concerned about how long this bug has been in the game but on the debate on crafting vs farming for certain weapons, I think maybe a possible solution for that would be maybe bringing back the reroll mechanic on weapons so it would kinda be a middle ground for both sides since you can just reroll the perk, mag, barrel or sight's of an already obtained weapon but still have to either go through rng by rerolling it or continue farming the encounter/place where it would drop from. I at least think this would be a nice solution since it would respect a player's time for acquiring the weapon while also keeping some elements of the grinding experience.

[@edew14]

Completed dungeon last night, no one received the icebreaker.

[@nejiefelipe]

man bungie screwed so hard on this perk weighting, probably its on the game since the begining and bungie just rushed to say the commmunity is being childish... i got screwed on a bunch of event weapons and now i feel like a clown.

[@ministryofwrongthink6962]

I gotta say, the balls on the community… to farm a cheese that took 2 minutes to complete…and then complain and accuse the Devs after they didn’t get Godrolls from it.. GAAA DAMN. Y’all savage 😂

[@SpurnOfHumanity]

This is just proof as to why we NEED weapon crafting.

[@Antimonyish]

This has been a thing since the Black Armory and forge events. I'm honestly surprised it has taken this long to reach actual results.

[@brentwunderlich4634]

Bungie should just rotate the perk combos everyday

[@sillyYata]

the d2 community has reached levels of paranoid schizoposting seemingly unheard of before

[@itchyisvegeta]

"Accidentally" I cant wait for that mobile game

[@jcat76]

So if we never would have tried to exploit that bug we would have never knew this 😂

[@autobot1stlieutenantjazz980]

"an issue in the code" IS WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILD

[@plattendoktor]

All Credits to those who figured it out. Bungie should hire them.

[@EliteBlackSash]

It’s not JUST that you’re ONLY “screwed.” People are actually now using this proximity glitch to farm God rolls on Other weapons. So, while the weapon we currently want has low chances, there are Other weapons that actually benefit from an increased 1 in 24 chance of getting a God roll. People are making farming videos for this Already. So, I really think it’s a code error that hurts some weapons and helps others

[@Nick.Pizano]

All I know is last seasons crucible Riposte is legit only giving me killing wind and desperate measures. I have maybe 20 + of them and only 1 has destabilizing rounds. I’ve been grinding for a PVE destabilizing + repulsive and on light GG those perks are right next to each other!

[@SandyRusli]

Out of countless competitive games i have played, only got 1 roll of the riposte destabilizing rounds repulsor brace. Surely this is not RNG

[@shaboingboing1]

into the light onslaught weapons should have started this debate ngl. i grinded the entire event and still to this day, haven’t gotten a single envious/bait edge transit. i think i got 1 single godroll out of all the weapons. it’s ridiculous

[@naskosokurov1815]

I used to be a developer. I still don't understand how people figure this out. They don't even have access to the API (as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong), neither to the source code. This is just from community data

[@lukaskrause1147]

API yes, source code no, it's just that they have the advantage of having more test data than Bungies testers could ever accumulate in a normal way and cheating the weapons to generate rolls would likely give different results, that's the problem with the pseudo randomness of Computer generated random numbers

[@naskosokurov1815]

@@lukaskrause1147 Thanks, I didn't know that access to the API was possible. Makes sense that people find out stuff that they weren't supposed to

[@Alex-and-Joker-Hikes]

This 'problem' was solved with crafting but a lot of players complained. It's really not that big of a deal. The gains of any specific perk combo isn't going to vastly change the game experience. Getting the elusive 'god roll' drop will be an exciting moment.

[@julius7539]

No, a minority of players complained. The majority prefer having crafting. Look at the player numbers for this season on steam charts. It is the worst season ever.

[@Alex-and-Joker-Hikes]

@julius7539 I think we're saying the same thing but your choice of words is better. I wrote a lot of players and should have wrote some players. I personally enjoyed crafting much more as a loot path. Yes, the grind for red borders was real but it felt like there was a path that had the reward I was look for at the end. This everything is random system just goes back to what was always frustrating about destiny. For me , the cooperative game mechanics and majority quality community of players has kept me playing for a decade not weapon perks.

[@xxJudgmentalxx]

We didn’t have random rolls in D1 and people played that game just as much as D2.

[@pandaell1029]

There is no way this is intentional. This feels like something that was in the code in d1 and no one every caught on.

[@yaboineo2597]

I hate how the weapons this season aren't craftable

[@PartiBuoy]

If it could physically spin a mechanical slot machine hooked to a server. rng would work.

[@daltonjames2705]

PSA FOR ALL KZbinRS: Maybe stop makimg videos like this? We dont wanna turn people against the game we play.

[@taddo45]

So fans finally had to pick the game apart to essentially it’s coding just to get what they want from this game. This is sad and not at all surprising.

[@ivan_domangaming9359]

This makes me feel like Bungie was denying untill they could no longer do it, like could at least try to debunked the first time, just untill people really got the evidence they were obligated to acknowledge

[@FinxOmally]

Just seems like some oversight in the RNG code. Easy way to think about it, is as a slots machine but seems like the wheels always spin from the same starting point and timings for the final 2 perks to stop spinning are within a very close time window. Causing the results to be more predictable. Easy fix would be to randomise the starting point of the spin, this can be done by a metric inside the encounter, even number of enemies killed vs odd number, multiplied by damage dealt to the boss, result can be a starting point to a randomiser to find starting point of the roll before the spin. (And also good luck the community trying to figure out how to abuse that system.)

[@omarlocke4351]

just remember dato claimed that he enjoyed grinding and claimed that crafting weapons was bad for the game😂😂😂