These Mistakes Were RUINING my Sub Bass!

[@BuntingMusic]

more things F0 is the strongest sub note on most systems lowcutting the master around 27-30hz can further boost the sub

[@merrickk7949]

I’ve heard many producers due this, the cutting the super lows out of the master and I’m very hesitant to think this is a good idea. Eqing causes phase shift, so all that work u did setting the phase is almost meaningless if u are just gonna shift the phase of ur entire low end on the master. U could use linear phase but then u risk smearing ur transients due to preringing. I asked jade cicada about this in his discord a while back and he informed me he never eqs the lows out of things that he wants to have sub, the kick and basses containing sub. Anyways that’s just my reasoning and current understanding. If u have a different point of view, I’d love to hear it. Thanks for the videos and all that u do for the community:)

[@sharkadelic8799]

@@merrickk7949 interesting topic. I asked Infekt about this on Discord and he made a point basically saying that with electronic music, if ur sub is a clean synthesized sine wave (w/ maybe some extra harmonics), then there wouldn't even be any content underneath the fundamental to EQ out anyway, at least nothing audible. So yah it makes sense to me that there would be no need to low-cut the master at 30hz - as long as you're hiPassing out the sub of other elements and making sure nothing is in the sub range 'cept your kick and sub. And also yah, cause an EQing low-end can mess with phase, and might take power away from the sub. Of course go with whatever sounds/feels best to u

[@merrickk7949]

@@sharkadelic8799 yo thanks for the thoughtful reply! That’s exactly my reasoning also. Why try an fix a problem that’s not there. Like my low end I get right wayyy b4 mastering. Another idea I’ve heard in this topic is bouncing two versions of ur track. One for live use where ur sub is only one harmonic and one for streaming where u add other harmonics to the sub. The reasoning here is speakers can only go one way at a time. Out or in. so on a big system a pure sine wave would be cleanest cuz the speaker won’t have to do as much. I see the phase of sine waves like this.. when it’s at its height, it’s telling the speaker to push air out when it’s low, it’s sucking in. Adding harmonics is gonna make the speaker suck out and in more, producing a less clean sound then one pure sine would cuz a pure sine is only saying out and then back in. This is only on big systems tho, adding harmonics is something I fully agree with and do in all my tracks. Also should note, im lazy and don’t do this myself haha Just fun to think about

[@BuntingMusic]

@@merrickk7949 3:55 alot of mastering engineers do it if your track is 100% perfectly mixed there wont be anything to cut if distortion is introduced through mastering cutting can be very helpful if youre worried about phase shifts then design the phases with it on if youre worried about linear preringing use a gentler q test on a subwoofer, i can say the lowcut generally makes subs hits harder in practice do what you want trust your ears

[@merrickk7949]

@@BuntingMusic thanks for getting back to me! I hadn’t thought of the eq idea, designing the sub and kick with it on, I’ll definitely give that a try. Yea in my mastering chain, I rarely apply noticeable distortion. I’ll process channels heavily all day but my grp processing and mastering chains I like to keep pretty simple. I’m gonna experiment with this low cut idea and see what method works for me.

[@thewizardtk]

Man. You explain stuff so simply. Anyone could reach a professional level of skill by watching Bunting vids

[@cadewilke5175]

I’m on Logic and I still come to your videos almost daily. Thanks for spreading knowledge so the music community can get even better homie.

[@SFS440Hertz]

Hey, Bunting- I highly appreciate all the energy you have put into your musical work. I have benefited greatly from the content and I respect you to the max.

[@simonnguyen692]

👍👍🙏

[@Captivatebeats]

Are the wavetable editors in Serum and Vital doing exactly the same thing as the waveform editor in Operator? Purely asking out of laziness so I can keep using operator for my subs and not have to open Serum/Vital.

[@alleycvt]

WHERE WAS THIS TUTORIAL BEFORE I LEARNED HOW TO MIX OMGGG this was the best one ive EVER seen. everyone else makes it SO COMPLICATED. youre amazing for this dude!

[@alexpalmer9194]

your music is fucking rad!

[@brendan6612]

ayyy

[@andresestrada7809]

HUGE VIDEO! Thanx for the help G!

[@serapheogen]

Do you have a 10dB difference between your sub and the rest in your own tracks? Do you do that technique demonstrated by AHEE, Sseb and others, that they claim Skrillex etc. do, to dip 90-100hz on your master to create separation between your sub and everything else and trick the mind into perceiving the sub louder? If not, thoughts on that?

[@BuntingMusic]

i usually like my sub response flat, and yes i scoop mids

[@serapheogen]

@@BuntingMusic So are you stilll hitting 0 true peak on the sub? Just a tiny scoop? Seen the technique explained but never demonstrated in practice.

[@wilsonmpesha904]

Wow. That's interesting. 🤔

[@domvillain103]

Appreciate everything you do g, Hope you have a great day.

[@izak5356]

>thick sub OMG so big Never change bud. Also Flux is professional af and one of my current jams. Love u dude.

[@Rzn8B58]

I learned a thing! Cool video thanks, wish I had this a year or so ago when I was destroying my sub in the master, that tip on the harmonics is helpful and the leveling of the phase to keep it a single sine helped me because I just never thought of that by myself. I read a long time ago in a galaxy far away that boosting 10khz on the sub can add some desirable air, kinda like adding noise to the sub. I cut everything in between from 160hz or 200hz-9800khz boost 10k and roll off at around 12k and a thing I'll do is highpass at 35hz and it gets rid of unwanted rumble in the sub and makes it sound less fluttery and tight. It all depends on the mix I guess and what you want your art to sound like.

[@Fink-id6yg]

Hey bro, love your vids and knowledge. I feel like (and could be wrong) making these tutorials with madd and massive music, then not having your music pop off would be super frustrating. I always love your music but forget to go elsewhere to view it. For your next few vids of you should drop some of your newer tracks, then re upload or join them closely with the tutorial that the track came from. For virtual riot for instance, it's very easy to hear his music or a tutorial and find both without one mixing into the other playlist. Mainly I just want you to come back. I'll definitely be following on sc after years of forgetting

[@Ketuzi]

Never thought of using the Multiband Compressor to Layer tracks besides gluing them together. Neat af 🤘🔥

[@QuantumTripOfficial]

"It's whatever you want, don't ever ask me that again." Bro i'm dead 🤣

[@tyeblee23]

Thank you Bunting! ❤️

[@adrianmiszczuk8061]

If you made just a separated sub for project make sure to automate the low end, when Kick hits it can hit more soft at the same time when subbass is here. To fix that at kick, sub should goes down but after that when kick ends the good sub should be here. So good sub frequencies don't touch your hard kicks 😊❤

[@XxlildramaxX]

The panicking and saying "Hel..Help" 🤣

[@williambrandon9660]

sick help. tried out the 140 cut on the Parallel chain w the high end, for a remix, that helped immensely. sample fx filter at 140, thick.

[@Hollandvancewright]

One criticism, bass doesn’t always have to be mono. Look up Disprove - In the Lab (Steelan Remix). Dude is a master level sound designer, he makes stereo basses that stay in phase when collapsed to mono Edit: he’s so obscure that only one video of this song still exists, but it’s a horribly distorted version of what I knew and loved 😭

[@LeePuu]

90% of the tyne u want it mono son

[@turbochargedfilms]

@@LeePuu keep telling yourself that if its what you need to sleep at night.

[@Dade-xo9xt]

It's not stereo. The bass is made using layering techniques. The sub frequencies are always placed in mono, while the harmonics are added on top using stereo widening techniques. This makes it seem as if the bass is in stereo.

[@Dade-xo9xt]

​​@@turbochargedfilmsNo bass should be in stereo. This is a common fact.

[@Emsi_Lordtemp]

For more info on shaping the sub-bass I'd recommend Mr. Bills video about it. It definitely helps with understanding how perceived loudness works.

[@jasongravely7217]

Mr Bill is the man. Been watching his stuff since 2013. My music still sucks but I appreciate what he’s taught me

[@hughharsher]

@@jasongravely7217 He's the goat and a super chill dude to hang out with

[@matthewnestor4369]

can ya make a tut on intros or something in that nature. i feel drops are easier to make then intros :(

[@Serenemoon_Music]

This was the one for me, big lightbulb

[@jeremybowden3134]

I actually love this song.. Where do I get it haha?

[@squigglesmusic9660]

really straight to the point and actionable advice, your vids are great 👌 thanks

[@jsleep4664]

Ayyyy @Bunting you honored my request to talk about custom wave table editing!

[@slayerficated]

How do you master loud without killing the sub? Have that problem rn on a track

[@angia1618]

hearing "analog subs are the best" as someone who builds Eurorack gear makes me want to scream. thanks for the insightful video.

[@43zzz63]

I did this a lot for years, definitely good suggestions for new producers who are just getting into edm

[@aaronluncford5290]

This is a super helpful video

[@seancymusic]

Zog! shift arrow key right, what a gem

[@Oberjin]

Ayy catching your upload while it's hot :D awesome video man! ❤️ by the way do you use the same patch with just different LFO rates in vital for your separate sub basses or do they carry different timbres aswell?

[@ryangunz2390]

Thanks buddy! It's like read my mind sometimes for your video information lol

[@theamanpanchal]

Great tips

[@mioseg]

Very helpful video for me!

[@cameroncox6254]

Question for you... I'm sort of a newb, do you get rid of the first fundamental harmonic to make it a more steady sub? Am I thinking about that correctly?

[@jeremiahwhitmore1693]

Hey man thank you a lot for making videos for all of us and sharing your knowledge it’s very noble real talk. I have a specific question and id be thankful if you can help me. Whenever I use a reference track and my levels are kind of equal to the reference track, the sub on the reference track is like not ever that loud compared to mine even though they are at the same levels. It’s very deceiving.

[@julioxstaticv3782]

Thank you for sharing your wisdom 🙏

[@calebwiedel]

you are the man g

[@brandonsalinas8787]

You always teach me something new that was needed! You did the best explanation on what to watch out for when making a sub bass sound actually good on speakers and phones!! Thank you so much!!

[@uirehuigedkahds]

So your sub its at -6 to 0db true peak?

[@soundinfractals]

I wanted to add a like but its at 808 and that just felt right

[@tetryl-1]

ok, I have learned new things, the knowledge is bigger to making a big tracks. thanks ! ♪

[@Joe_fr0sty]

Thanks for making this dope video

[@simonnguyen692]

thank you

[@nataliewood4125]

needed this. big up brotha.

[@thesputnikhd6220]

Perfect my iPhone subwoofer is bumpin from this tut, thanks 🅱️

[@mattc487]

So....could you use the sidechaining to say like Soothe2 and just work to balance? I f***ing suck at production and prepared to be roasted if needed lol

[@LeePuu]

god bless Master Bunting

[@UltimateEngineering]

make the second harmonic the loudest. thats what studies are calling, the ear friendly harmonic, thats also what vacuum tubes are doing, and why people like tube sound "more", it pushes the second harmonic the most.

[@PauLtus_B]

odd harmonics are usually the best because they increase the perceived loudness while actually decreasing the amplitude. They also are the same harmonics you get when using basic distortion.

[@wubwilson1318]

Thanks my guy, big up

[@downfallsound]

damn this is what I've been looking for thanks for the detailed explanation

[@Clamjahahghff]

An Actual decent KZbinr that isn’t copy pasting every other stupid video about mixing? Thanks!!

[@psysolo1609]

Are you sitll active? 👉👈 you seem like a great teacher

[@onemillionfish]

here is comment.

[@BuntingMusic]

thank you

[@jlangbass]

Very good thank you sir 👍

[@CJNello]

Raises hand "asking for a friend, how often do you find yourself using a separate dedicated sub, one that does its own thing per se" I planned on asking before you said to not ask. Thank u

[@chrisdigby1]

excellent tuit.

[@KnotLõ-ADSR]

Got some nice syncopation going on here!!!

[@buggin33]

Currently laying against my speakers now

[@TheBrendoe]

i learned... i liked... i subbed...

[@Sour_SkunK]

a fine comment to boost your al gore rhythm. thanks for sharing your knowledge dude.

[@DaviidPL]

mono?

[@yuhyuhtheindigo7085]

You’re growing so fast man! See yuh tonight

[@Michael-fi5rd]

Have you ever experimented with stereo sub bass? I guess it would only really come through on a system set up with subwoofers in stereo. I have made a track with stereo panning sub bass and played it on my system with stereo subs and it creates a really interesting yet subtle movement in the bass. Seems to move forward and back in the room.

[@Massivecarcrash]

Stereo sub bass is more for heaphones than anything. Most PA systems run sub bass in mono so if you have stereo sub bass in your mix, you have to make sure you dont have issues with stereo phase cancelation when the sub is run in mono. This is one of the reason why you should always check your mix in mono, it also one of the pitfalls of mixing on headphones. Due to the seperation of left and right on headphones, the soundwaves dont interact with each other in an open space and this can mask huge phase cancelation problems in the mix. This is why you should listen to your final mixes on a proper monitor system in a treated room before release.

[@rwdy6218]

"might not want to use this bc it shifts the phase n stuff but... ok nerrrd" lol

[@shAiDawn]

haha u are hilarious I love your vibe giving no fks lol

[@justinsymanietz3875]

💥

[@DoosaOfficial]

Sweet

[@andreaslibau]

🙏🏻

[@monat_son]

neat bass!

[@marcmakara6043]

"Don't ever ask me again" 🤣😂

[@OfficialKraz]

Heck Yes!

[@isTapio]

u da man

[@kylegellner29]

U r the best

[@Moon_Pyramid]

sub basses of my dreammmmmmmmmmmms

[@metawubs]

dis dat good good right here am i rite fellas 😩

[@KingSquint]

Fiyah

[@AinmationF]

Me after learning this: Shit (EQ3-M 10db)

[@M-vo8kt]

4:06 😂

[@nicolashoward4006]

Whatever bro 💜

[@izakrk3362]

If you a real one youll have a fully stereo sub

[@death_throes]

Dont let everyone know the secret! For real tho, stereo sub is where its at. Haters don't understand.

[@PauLtus_B]

Can totally work. The sub needs to work in mono, it doesn't have to be mono. Worst advice on it is to just turn the low-end mono afterwards.

[@GHOSTFVCE_official]

Yo this is sick Um also can you do a peekaboo tutorial

[@yuhyuhtheindigo7085]

Ha already has fam

[@GHOSTFVCE_official]

@@yuhyuhtheindigo7085 oh shit i didnt even realize my bad

[@va941]

Heres a comment to go with the like❤

[@Jacob24FPS]

I like bass

[@iowask666]

lit

[@leiocerayt]

Your CRU does NOT like that

[@NonnyStrikes]

The high cuts for live on the subs is huge. I always cut the high end to about 140hz. It cleans up the sound on the actual subs soooooo much. Good stuff here bro.

[@NonnyStrikes]

I'll add even on AUX run subs. I don't want that board giving any high end.

[@nicholas132edm]

ok

[@moty1kanobi]

THICC SUB OMG SO BIC

[@KINGDOM_OFFICIAL01]

Saturation on sub = thiccc... CAP

[@dmtree7022]

King shit

[@jinnybeats]

hey Bunting! You are very cute. I have liked and subscribed. Thank you for video content.

[@nodusound]

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[@jahpocalypse]

i hope you start getting more money from this. your videos have good info but damn you need a new computer or something.

[@jvaddison]

STOP THAT CLICKING 🤓

[@GrenNoshi]

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[@MP_Soundbox]

Can't listen past all the mic pops, sorry.

[@000SilaS000]

thick sub... i can only hear clicks. wtf is this video