BURNING Oil *Update* Honda Earthdreams Engine Rattle Noise l Accord, CR-V, TLX, Civic

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My original video shows how the engine sounds if we do not check our oil levels and it gets too low. This is a follow up where I spent a few months seeing if I could stop the oil burning, or at least reduce the amount of oil being burned/ lost.
The results are that we need to be proactive and check the levels and top off accordingly to prevent damage and prolong the life. Let me know if ya'll are having this issue.

[@Striker50_]

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[@Striker50_]

*Original LOW OIL* Engine Rattle video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2mnXoOsqMyerq8

[@JayCosta-lj4yk]

I've had this issue on my 2013 since day One. It burns oil for sure as there are no leaks anywhere. I check it every 2nd fuel fill up. It uses like 1/2 qt every 2500 or so miles. I think all 2.4ltr engines burn oil. I just keep some a couple of quarts in the trunk. This really isn't supposed to be normal but it just turned 180K miles so I don't care too much anymore. Really had no issues with the car other than I increased the battery size to group 24 rather than the original 51. No more dead batteries after doing that. I'll probably move on to Toyota after this. I won't buy anything with a Turbo.

[@Striker50_]

Agreed. Thankfully it's not a big deal. I'm going to see how long I can keep mine. I'm at 155K mi. Thought about buying something else, but insurance is crazy for everyone right now

[@nando323]

Awesome video bro, thank you. I'll be replacing my valve cover gasket soon. It too is leaking on my '17 Accord. I'll be replacing the PCV Valve today.

[@Striker50_]

Here to help 👍 Peace of mind maintenance

[@sethocampo7730]

I have a 2013 Sport w/ manual transmission and have the same problem.. I just replaced the valve cover gasket a couple months ago. It was previously replaced by a local mechanic a year prior and I assumed that maybe he didn’t do a good job so I made sure to take my time and do it myself. I currently don’t see any oil seeping out again, but I did have the exact same noises these past few weeks. Oil light flashed on this morning and I added a quart. Sound went away instantly, but now I’m considering getting an oil analysis to figure out what’s really going on inside the motor.

[@Striker50_]

Interesting to hear that. Do you do the oil changes yourself usually? How often do you top off, if at all? I've never had the low oil light come on which is concerning because the time I had it very low, the car didn't even recognize it. In my last video I added a quart as well and that was very low and making the nasty sounds. Are you looking to see if there are metals, fuel, coolant, etc in your oil?

[@mikem7333]

Hey @Striker50_, great video! I have a few ideas that worked for me, that could possibly work for you. Typically, with these 2.4 Earth Dreams I like to bring the oil to the top of the dipstick, which is exactly 5 quarts after an oil change. From lots of knowledge on engines and with this particular engine, a half quart more oil will not hurt it and in fact, the timing chain likes the little bit of extra oil. The timing chains on K24's do not like low oil. Running the engine even at or below the bottom dot for hundreds of miles very much stresses that chain. For those of you, chains do not "stretch," they elongate because the little pins in between each chain link wear, causing the overall length of the chain to be extended, "stretched" chain; more so because of low oil/extended oil changes. I bought the car brand new and have 130,000 miles and does not burn a drop of oil. I change the oil at 50% or 5,000 miles from day one with 5 quarts. At around 80,000 miles, I noticed a little bit of a rear main seal leak. Around 3,000 miles, between 70% and 60% oil life, the level would be a little bit above the halfway point. Technically, this is "good," but the car did not burn a drop before and was always a tiny bit above the top dot after 5,000 miles. I switched to Valvoline High Mileage 0W-20 Full Synthetic and after about 3 or so oil changes, it does not move a centimeter. I still average anywhere between 34-38 mpg with this car for both city and highway driving. It's honestly been a great car. I would do 5,000-mile oil changes and give a high mileage oil a shot. Again, for me, it took about 3 oil changes before no oil loss. Thinking this "swelled" the seal as the leak hasn't returned. It can also swell valve stem seals in case those are starting to wear a bit, causing oil to be burned. I fixed this on a 2002 Toyota Camry that had valve stem seals going bad. Never smoked blue on a cold start again. However, in any "modern" engine, pretty much all manufactures switched to low-tension piston rings. With the older cars having stronger rings, they can "squeeze" out carbon that would typically clog a low-tension ring from people's "poor maintenance" for lack of a better word. And in today's times, you can't blame anyone, we are all busy and for a lot of us, cars are something we don't think much of. We take the built-in maintenance systems really for granted. Short distance driving, lots of cold starts; cold weather driving, extended oil changes, etc., will cause the rings to gum up and eventually burn oil. Frequent oil changes with a good synthetic will be the best cleaning agent, more often than not, slow oil burning or stop it all together. I would not recommend increasing oil viscosity with this engine. The older K-Series you could, but Honda's VTEC system in this car is very complex. I have seen it firsthand on a family member's car cause rattling, ticking, and in one case, a VVT solenoid fault. Now, I think this really is temperature dependent with the higher-grade oil, but imo, not worth the risk. It is important to note though, if the engine got damaged even in the slightest from low oil in any way, there is no fix that will stop oil burning other than a rebuild. In that case, just add oil. The engine will still last a very long time regardless. It's a Honda...

[@billblane7725]

I have a 2014 "earth dreams" engine, used the recommended viscosity of 0-20, used oil. Changed to 5w-30, uses less oil, have not noticed any other issues since changing to a little heavier oil.

[@Striker50_]

@@billblane7725 I've considered this but adding oil isn't that bad especially since I don't drive that much anymore

[@WeSRT4]

We have the same issues with our 2017 Honda CRV with the 2.4. Honda seems to have really fallen off with the quality of their engines IMO. I switched to a high mileage 5w30 synthetic and it slowed down on consumption.

[@gemeinschaftsgeful]

Try Valvoline restore and protect synthetic oil for 4 oil changes. It may help.

[@Striker50_]

@@gemeinschaftsgeful hmm what have you noticed from using it?

[@kevinmaguire4437]

**filter spool valve** change it, that should fix your problem. It should not burn much oil at all. The engines are notorious for oil dilution because of the GdI situation sometimes gasoline was getting into the oil. For that reason, you should change your oil every 3000-5000 miles regardless at the very least or once a year if you don’t drive that much in a year. Hope it helps I personally have fixed two earth dreams and along with the Pcv they never needed more oil added before oil changes. There is absolutely no need to change the valve cover gasket. It won’t hurt but it’s a waste of time and or money.

[@Striker50_]

The valve cover gasket is literally seeping oil. It 100% had to be replaced. As for the part you're mentioning, the only videos I could find are 2012 Accords and older having that issue

[@kevinmaguire4437]

@@Striker50_ it’s the Earth dream engine in general actually many Honda engines not just on the accord Or even earth dreams it is more of a Vvt problem/issue, it’s fine that you replaced the valve cover gasket however, that is not why it is losing oil. Change your filter spool valve and you will not need to change your oil until your next oil change. They work in unison/same area with the PCV valve usually for some reason, when the PCV fails, you get a back pressure which causes the valve cover to seal to fail and with compression strokes it seeps oil, as well as sucks it back in which causes that screen. If you look up the part, you’ll know what I mean by screen to get clogged, causing pressure which leads to more seepage. This video refers to it as a VVT oil control valve. I don’t believe this is your exact motor however, this shows you what I’m talking about. on your particular motor I haven’t taken the time to look it up but most of the motors it is an easy change(basic to medium mechanical skills), and it does help correct it. I will post a link to this guy’s video, which is very vague, but should set you on the right path of what part that needs to be changed as well that I’m trying to convey. Best of luck 👍 Ps. The last engine i fixed it on was a 2016 crv so its still an issue on the newer Vvt engines. Trust me I profit not from this information however whoever you’re paying to fix your issue is. Some don’t know and others realize there’s not as much money in the cure as there is in the treatment. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6qcXnyQeN6Am80si=YkoKqPxe9cjKbH-S

[@Striker50_]

I reviewed my tensioner pulley video, and I do not see the screen location like in the video you tagged for the 2003-2012 accords. I have also changed the pcv valve in my accord and it still burns oil despite that. What I have understood from looking into this is that the oil is being burned through the piston rings. The re-occuring solution I have seen is to top off oil every 1k miles and to be on top of oil change intervals @@kevinmaguire4437

[@cartracer64]

where is the filter spool valve?

[@kevinmaguire4437]

@@cartracer64 look at the video(in previous comments, ) it’s location is different on different engines, but is the same part function . Different shapes and part #’s , same functionality. for me to give a location I would need to know exactly what engine you’re talking about ..

[@RolexDSSD]

Great video. My 13' sport (185k miles) burns about 1/4q every 1000-1200 miles.

[@Striker50_]

You just like me fr fr Check out my oil update video on my channel I explain a little more in that

[@hypnoticimage9687]

Worse thing that ever happen was the manufacturer recommendation is 10k miles. Old car last longer because oil change is require 3-5k miles.

[@Striker50_]

Yup. Luckily the Accord doesn't wait that long the oil change light usually comes on around 5,500 miles

[@nileshjdarji]

AWESOME VIDEO. THANK YOU.

[@Striker50_]

🙏🙏🙏

[@NeverGiveUpYo]

Very good video. Subbed.

[@Striker50_]

@@NeverGiveUpYo thanks! 🙏

[@rosieclark3661]

It’s a built in design flaw like the 6th generation Honda transmissions in these earth dreams engines they also vibrate excessively tail pipes are usually super sooty and black in color if you have one go to the rear and observe your tail pipes Honda fans avoid them at all cost

[@Striker50_]

Car is running great at 152k miles a little oil added goes a long way but yup, those are some symptoms

[@kripiitonik5009]

Damn bro I'm at 191k on my 2013 accord since day one when I drove it off the lot I been doing 3k intervals 0 oil consumption sometimes maintenance is key. to me 5k is crazy people say I'm wasting money but I'll tell you what not wasting... money on a new engine.

[@Striker50_]

Pros and cons to everything 👌

[@patricioc6883]

@kripiitonik5009 is your Accrd a v6? I have a 13 Accord V6 with 88k miles and have not seen any oil consumption. I think this is common on 4cyl engines. I could be wrong.

[@Striker50_]

@@patricioc6883 Does that engine use 5w30?

[@patricioc6883]

@@Striker50_ Full-synthetic 0w-30. I have not seen a low oil indicator on my dash. But going forth, I'll increase the frequency of checking oil levels on my Accord.

[@kripiitonik5009]

@@patricioc6883 0w-30? Mine is a 4cyl And 194k now 0 problems. Mine is 0w-20 castrol edge extended performance is what I use.

[@davidwell686]

Did you try a different brand of Oil? Like the Penzoil one made from natural gas? Or Mobil 1?

[@Striker50_]

I am trying that Penzoil one now, but ultimately, it comes to combustion and mixture, which is probably what most likely is happening here. Oil is getting burned off most likely by seeping slowly through the piston rings

[@itzrlymeman]

Great video thx!!

[@Striker50_]

Here to help 👍

[@gcage7508]

Same situation with my Honda. Damaged my tensioner pulley.

[@Striker50_]

I have a detailed tensioner pulley video on my channel if you haven't seen that yet

[@waltsmith1305]

Change your timing chain tensioner for your rattle noise. part # 14510-5a2-a02

[@Striker50_]

I thought about it for a long time but I saw a ton of people say the noise comes back in a few weeks so I never did it

[@waltsmith1305]

I'll know soon enough,2014 accord sport, just did it. That thing was wore out. The piston was visibly worn. The top of it had a small grove wore into it. Sitting at 143k

[@Striker50_]

@@waltsmith1305 Nice I'm at about 157K myself. Yeah, all of the videos I saw never really had a certain answer and almost everyone was saying that the part would wear out after a few weeks or months

[@waltsmith1305]

@@Striker50_ for the price it's worth a shot. also with first start this morning no rattle.there was a rattle first start after install but i think it has to get pressurized. you can see the little valves inside it when you tear it apart..

[@davidwell686]

Did your OEM PVC valve "click" when you shacked it prior to installation? I got one from Rockauto and it did not so I sent it back. The one installed now is an OEM Honda and barely makes a sound when I shacked it. Read online that not all PVC valves click when shacked. Just curious....

[@Striker50_]

It clicked when I pushed it into the slot, locking securely into place, but I never shook it. I made a PCV Valve replacement video on my channel if you want to go see that

[@davidwell686]

@@Striker50_ No problem installing it. Just odd it did not make that clicking sound like I was used too in the past ones.

[@Striker50_]

@@davidwell686 Hmm.. well as long as the screw is on tight it should be good

[@weatherwatcher5303]

Will a honda engine long even with high oil consumption?

[@Striker50_]

Absolutely just make sure to maintain it like fluids spark plugs, etc and it should go 200k+ easyyy

[@josephphillips865]

Probably the piston rings

[@Striker50_]

@@josephphillips865 yup that's what I'm thinking too

[@JUANORTEGA-or1ht]

Does this happen to all HONDA ACCORD my first honda i own and not impressed next car Toyota for sure

[@Striker50_]

It happens to a lot of cars in general. I noticed that as long as you add oil it is ok

[@fabrivila2774]

I think that Honda did a stupid thing by puting a plastic valve cover, instead of an aluminum cover. Contractions at high temperatures are not the same between plastic and metal.

[@Striker50_]

Corporations are all about saving money unfortunately 💰

[@user-bp7wf9dh5q]

Dear, what is the cause of the smell of burning oil when accelerating after 140km? I have honda 1.5t 😢

[@Striker50_]

Interesting. I have never heard of oil smell when accelerating. Perhaps it could be fuel, or a bad valve cover gasket causing the oil smell to come in through the air vents

[@user-bp7wf9dh5q]

@@Striker50_ thank you dear i will check 🥲

[@dougbrun7789]

Have you tried high mileage oil?

[@Striker50_]

I can look into it

[@sodapopx13]

Do an oil flush and spark plug change . That’s way to low bro I have a 2016 accord sport 180k

[@Striker50_]

i changed spark plugs relatively recently. A flush is a little more work and won't really do much as it's most likely the pistons/ piston rings that are burning oil. I'll make a video soon changing the spark plugs and I'll show what they look like and such

[@weatherwatcher5303]

My Honda Civic 1.8 2012 oil consumption is high at 95k miles just barely bedding in. Going to replace pcv valve and then do an engine carbon clean to see if this helps?

[@Striker50_]

You got the rare civic How much is it burning? Those are 2 good starts. No oil seepage you can see?

[@weatherwatcher5303]

@@Striker50_ i had an oil change recently before i bought the car and i have put a quart of oil in after 500/600 miles the light came on twice since owning the car of low oil level. When it did come on the car has a quarter on the dipstick. Slight leakage from somewhere the mechanic said but nothing excessive, could be a bad pcv valve so going to change it soon as i can. I use 0w-20 oil which is very thin but honda recommended using the oil on my car but i buy the honda genuine oil

[@Striker50_]

Do you know who did the oil change? no need to use honda oil since it's all pretty generic stuff for the motor, unless of course your pocketbook allows then go with your preference. Reason I ask who did it is because sometimes staff overlooks the little details since theyre rushing, or sometimes people change their oil when their engine is cool, or don't add the amount that it says in the owners manual@@weatherwatcher5303

[@weatherwatcher5303]

@@Striker50_ my car had an oil change when this car dealer sold me the car, like you said it could have been topped up wrong or not full. Are you meant to change oil when warm? I put 1 quart in recently so will monitor how much the car uses and go from there, was my car a bad bunch if you said it was a rare civic or another reason? What sort of oil brand should i use ? I appreciate your response thanks very much ! :)

[@Striker50_]

@@weatherwatcher5303 Could have been rushed or not checked to make sure level is right. Always good to check or replace fluids when getting a used car since we can catch any issues like thinking fluid is new or improper levels. Oil like many things expands when heated up so you get a better accurate reading. Now that it's come to your attention, you can monitor it and if it doesn't return, maybe it was the dealer cutting corners, but at least you're becoming aware. Lol no nothing bad, it's just the 2012 Civic was only made for 1 year before they redesigned it again, it is very random but people complained on the looks. I had the 2013 civic but someone t boned it and totalled it. You'd be surprised with how good Amazon and Costco brand oils are. Reason I bring it up is because dealers love to charge an arm and a leg for everything Anytime here to help 🤘

[@jamesmatheson4746]

OIL Life is not oil level.

[@Striker50_]

Correct, I show oil levels with the dip stick. Oil life is in reference to the suggested oil change intervals programmed from Honda

[@ryanstalnaker4797]

My 09 Civic seems to be making the same sounds you experienced in the first video, but my engine oil is on max. I dont hear thw noise all thw time either. I can go days or weeks without hearing it, but then it starts while im driving. I hear it more during acceleration, but it remains while stopped. I had a valve cover gasket replaced a while back by the dealer, and an oil change only a month or so ago. I have no idea how to isolate the sound bc it seems to go away after the car cools down.

[@Striker50_]

Interesting. If you park it facing downhill like I did in the first video, does it make the noise?

[@ryanstalnaker4797]

@@Striker50_ I've not been able to test that and won't have the chance until Monday

[@Striker50_]

@@ryanstalnaker4797 When it comes around give it a try. Your issue may be different since your oil levels are topped off from what you say

[@ryanstalnaker4797]

@@Striker50_ apparently it is the AC compressor pulley. Didn't look like it was spinning awkwardly to suggest it was broke, but it was only making the noise when I turned the defrost or AC on

[@Striker50_]

@@ryanstalnaker4797 interesting 🤔 the noises should be different but it's possible they sound similar enough

[@TocaCintaRecords]

I have the same issue rattle sound checked oil was low 2010 Honda cry

[@Striker50_]

RIP. How long were you having the issue for? I just topped off my oil today with about .5 quart

[@TocaCintaRecords]

@@Striker50_ a few months

[@Striker50_]

@@TocaCintaRecords Yikes. Top it off to the proper level and just be on top of it. I also made an "oil update" video that gives a little more detail

[@bulmarorosales2843]

Im having the same issue on my 2017 accord sport

[@Striker50_]

@@bulmarorosales2843 Man. All we could do is add oil

[@bulmarorosales2843]

@Striker50_ yup that's what I started doing. I will also change the gasket I noticed some oil leaks there too.

[@Striker50_]

@@bulmarorosales2843 I'm convinced thousands of people have this issue they just don't know it

[@bulmarorosales2843]

@Striker50_ I recently noticed that but my car only has 70k miles and I'm having all this issues already and is always been maintenance at the Honda dealer

[@cartracer64]

what is the mileage you started having trouble with burning oil

[@Striker50_]

Probably around 110k miles is when I actually started to notice based on the noise of my original video on this topic

[@jae7230]

do you fix the burning oil problem? can you share how to fix it .thanks..

[@Striker50_]

It's most likely going to be the piston rings or something in that area. A proper fix is probably a lot pricier than just adding a quart of oil every 1-2k miles. Topping it off should stave off any issues

[@jae7230]

@@Striker50_ someone told me to do this.Marvel Mystery Oil in the crankcase and in the gas tank. Drive it like you stole it for 400 miles. Then Motor flush for 10 minutes at idle. what do you think ?

[@Striker50_]

@@jae7230 Lol sounds kind of mickey mouse fix Never hurts to try though I suppose

[@jae7230]

@@Striker50_I see, because the person fixed the ring problem with this way. but I am not sure is it correct.

[@sosakvn]

i would like to know how you can diagnose your car i know nothing about it but i had the same problem with my vavle gasket

[@Striker50_]

Sure, what are you trying to diagnose? Do you have the same car?

[@sosakvn]

@@Striker50_ yes honda according 2017 my car starts shaking and rumbling when stopped but in drive or in reverse

[@Striker50_]

@@sosakvn Have you changed the spark plugs, or gotten the valves adjusted? Also cleaning the throttle body can help with idle. And something super obvious like changing the engine air filter every so often, though that is much less likely

[@sosakvn]

@@Striker50_ yes i was thinking it’s the spark plugs I had just got this car and don’t really know the maintenance already done

[@Striker50_]

@@sosakvn That is the hard part once cars have a bit used. I always try to do the maintenance myself because most people don't like to do things like that, and most dont even know they need to

[@bradhelfrich6602]

Exactly what year Honda 2.4L & mileage is this?

[@Striker50_]

2013 and 152k currently, but started at around 98k-110k

[@Semos1000]

My 2.4l 2016 CRV does the same thing.

[@Striker50_]

Yup same engines. luckily, if you add oil regularly, it'll run like normal

[@Semos1000]

@@Striker50_ Right now it's at the point of where it gets right below the lower marker on the dipstick approaching 5k miles post oil change. I purchased the car new and it now has 122k miles on it. I do check on it regularly once it drops below the halfway point on the dipstick.

[@Striker50_]

@@Semos1000 Nice, sounds like they all burn about the same amount of oil. While not fun, at least it's not burning a quart every 1,000 miles

[@nickhunga2551]

Virgen maria i walked away from a "payed for outua my pocket a vista village Honda Acord i want to ask and you shall receive for the clunker returned

[@Striker50_]

No idea what this means but 👍

[@jamesmatheson4746]

It should not burn oil. Bad engine

[@Striker50_]

I agree, unfortunately it's quite common and there's no other solution other than keeping a closer eye that I've come across

[@tooththrhr]

But what is the ultimate issue here ? Are the rings getting caked up with carbon prematurely ?

[@Striker50_]

Could be the thinner oil being more susceptible to burning off or mixing with fuel and burning off, as well as some loss to seepage through worn out valve cover gasket. Being on top of maintenance can possibly ward off some of this@@tooththrhr

[@tooththrhr]

@@Striker50_ I'm sure some fanatic somewhere has found the issue with these engines...I know the 10-13 mdx had an issue with cylinder lining materials and ring design...

[@Striker50_]

I've heard it all through the comments on my vids and elsewhere but there's no solid conclusive point. I've heard the piston rings, 3k oil changes, changing pcv valve, and weather as the most common reasons@@tooththrhr

[@jimwalters3636]

Video waste of time

[@Striker50_]

not everyone understands it's ok