Buy Lemons, Get Lemonade - Seagate Constellation ES.2 3TB Drives

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[@Tygron]

Am I the only one that caught that error right before he flipped it over to just the facecam? Was hoping that would lead into a "oh wait a minute" moment but it didn't lol.

[@8obbylp]

I instantly looked for that comment as I finished the vid xD

[@yongxianghe1432]

@@8obbylp me too😂

[@ayporos]

Did you also catch him typing 210 for the snapshot while the directory was called 201? ;)

[@ph4se2]

LOL same

[@CraftComputing]

@ayporos 🏅 This is for you.

[@basvalkema4532]

13:36 The Error cliffhanger

[@Dreamtwister2k]

That Error @ 13:35 was the perfect way to end an episode where "you have good luck when it comes to hardware reliability!"

[@dangerousmythbuster]

Anyone else notice that one of the replication tasks errored out?

[@SupremeRuleroftheWorld]

no way, he has great luck with hardware.

[@alexv182]

I'm not a NAS expert but maybe running 2 task at once errored out the first one for a moment until it reinit itself. Maybe? Since Jeff didn't seems to bat an eye to that it's probably common.

[@novellahub]

If you are a DS9 Fan you will spot the error.

[@blackwizardgaming4311]

don't know if this will ever be seen but will there be a follow up for the proxmox cluster on those 3 blue dual xeon servers you have? Really liked that setup and the video doesn't really have an end...

[@mikeschleising8828]

wait whats wrong now, the poolname NCC-74201 or the backupname NCC-74210 🤔

[@Ladida455]

This also hit me really hard

[@bluesquadron593]

Saw that too

[@ArkViper919]

lol yup caught that

[@sysdrum]

You mean the restore pool name the one he did off camera.

[@jothain]

@@sysdrum 11:23

[@jforce321]

I didn't even need to start watching the video to know there was an issue when you said Seagate and three terabyte hard drives those things are known to be f****** garbage

[@ChrisProElite]

the only drives to ever fail on me are those damn Seagate constellation drives

[@majstealth]

@@ChrisProElite strange, i refurbished 6 from a customer, and they already ran for 5+ years, but they are ES.3 3TB NM0023 all from 12 2014

[@Anaerin]

I'd be a little concerned with the Craft-NCC-74201 backup dataset having no child datasets (when the main pool did), along with being read-only. Also, fat-fingering the ship ID (74210 rather than 74201) is a cosmetic niggle. And the error cliffhanger is real *chefkiss*

[@chrispeden979]

I’ve been using HGST enterprise drives way before WD Purchased the division from Hitachi. They have always been rock solid and my first choice. I hope the quality doesn’t go down with WD owning/making them. I just recently bought 12 refurb HGST 4tb drives for my synology’s.

[@RaidOwl]

I knew those 3TB drives were too good to be true at $20 a pop lol. Great vid!

[@garysanford9364]

Yeah, these drives really suck...

[@MatthiasLeimbach]

We all saw one of the recovering jobs erroring out..... 😂😂😂🙈🤷‍♂️

[@tron.d98200]

Hey Jeff, I love this sort of content. just the general up-keep and showing how to deal with problems and practical setups. I was planning on making a smaller and far less impressive NAS and backup server and had a important question. < If I buy only a few drives at-a-time can expand data pools across more drives without having to offload the data and recreate the pools? Are there easier ways of adding drives to the array/pool? > I've never actually installed proxmox outside of a VM because I don't have spare drives to test it on Hope someone can help me, Super glad I found this channel

[@calaphos]

If anything I would expect a lower failure rate on refurbished HDDs, the ones with manufacturing defects should have died in enterprise use already. Your own high failure rate seems to imply its something wear related or completely random which is interesting.

[@bhume7535]

no it is just seagate.

[@kylek29]

Used ("refurbished") enterprise drives are such a crapshoot. I bought a couple WD 2Tb drives and 1 died within a month. So you gotta weigh the time and frustration you spend rebuilding any file systems versus the savings. So yeah, they may be binned as enterprise quality, but they also have been running 24/7 for a few years.

[@jrucker2004]

I recently bought some from ebay that were marked as "new" When they arrived, they had 60k hours of power on time, and one of them wouldn't even spin up. Yup, brand new, thanks guys.

[@My_Old_YT_Account]

@@jrucker2004 you should be able to get a refund and keep them most of the time, so kind of a win regardless

[@baroncalamityplus]

The trade coffee says promotion invalid. So I guess 100 people have already used it.

[@cyrilthefish]

About 6months ago built myself a NAS, so like yourself went on an ebay spree. i brought 8 Constellation ES.3 drives, 4 each of 4tb and 3tb versions. The 4tb drives have been fine so far. but the 3tb drives, 2x arrived DOA (one making the horrendous screeching noises of a crashed head), the seller sent me 2 more to replace those, but one of those replacements was DOA too. one of the 'working' 3tb drives has a few read errors showing up in unraid but otherwise still working. So yeah, i haven't been keeping anything super important on the 3tb drives as i don't really trust them...

[@TheSleepyCraftsman]

I really need to build a NAS. Been trying the whole KZbin thing for almost 2 years now, so I think it's safe to say that I'm not going to give up anytime soon. My external storage solution is 3 WD Elements taped together. 🤦‍♂️ I was an early adopter of Windows Home Server but that was more than a decade ago.

[@UntouchedWagons]

The out of sync video/audio bugs me.

[@andrewkester7797]

I was also tempted with cheap 3TB Seagate drives, but went with 3TB HGST drives. Didn't realize they were _that_ unreliable.

[@PoeLemic]

HEAR ME. Never buy Seagates unless you are willing to lose your data. I bought some back (say 4 or 5 years ago) and never again. I couldn't even get them to RMA them.

[@TheJustinist]

@@PoeLemic I have 5 4TB Ironwolfs and they have been rock solid for me since I got them 4 years ago.

[@PoeLemic]

@@TheJustinist Well, you've had better luck than me with Seagates. Now, my experience could be related to the Indonesian Flood that happened right around when I bought my Seagates. But, they wouldn't let me RMA them and would not cover what was, obviously, their drive's problems. It happened with 3 drives going bad. So, I just don't trust them anymore.

[@Bytemybits]

*Gasps in Spanish*

[@wallyhare8616]

Why Spanish???

[@geogmz8277]

Gasps = Jadeó.. 😅

[@wallyhare8616]

😂

[@colddripgaming]

No shucked drives were harmed in the making of this video

[@PoeLemic]

@@colddripgaming And, no scary Halloween Clowns were hurt during the making of this video, neither ...

[@jonmayer]

I have 10 4TB Seagate Ironwolf drives that have operated 24/7 without issue for half a decade. But I also bought all these new.

[@VTOLfreak]

I decided to clean out my collection of old hard disks yesterday. I found ten Seagate Barracuda 1500GB disks in the back of a closet. They can't be all bad right? A few hours later, all ten were in the garbage bin. SMART errors on every single one. I do have very good experiences with their Ironwolf series however so I'm not going to badmouth Seagate.

[@bhume7535]

I will. Mine busted within a couple months.

[@dangingerich2559]

Oh, I am so sorry you had to deal with those. When they first came out, I was working as a sysadmin in the test lab of a storage company. We had 96 of the Constellation ES.2 3TB drives come in for a couple prototype units of our backup to disk line, in NetApp RAID trays. In the 2 months after they came in, every single one of those 96 failed during our testing. Every. Single. One. We got replacements for them quickly enough, but the first shipment was entirely bad. (For the prototyping process, we had to keep track of every drive as they came in and went out.) Even the replacements didn't last long. After 4 months, we ended up replacing the whole bunch with HGST 4TB Ultrastar drives. Those Constellation 3TB drives were just horrible when they first came out. I heard later that they were replaced not just for the failure rate, but also because they were bad performers with our dedup software as well. Seagate claimed to have fixed the reliability issues with a firmware update.

[@novellahub]

I have been having good luck with those 4TB HGST drives. Hopefully this will fix your Seagate blues.

[@emazzikanbodo3014]

Nice 😘👍 video info ☺️. Do vaccum the floor of the work space,n see how'd much dropped haires is there's after such an episode 🤠

[@TheNiteNinja19]

With 3 of the 2TB Seagate drives going bad with no warning (other than the big green label that says SEAGATE), I've given a hard pass to them, just like Team Group SSD's. I've always used HGST drives for storage, and recently got an 8TB one.

[@korgied]

Yeah, I don't touch Seagate at all anymore, despite many people telling me "they've gotten better." Thing is, people have been saying that about them for SO LONG. I remember when Seagate drives were on constant sale for free, or ~$20, after mail-in rebates at Best Buy for a while. They were bad then. And I avoided them for years. People repeatedly said "they have gotten better" so I got some of their 3TBs back when they were new and there was less information about how bad those were. I no longer trust when ANYONE says Seagate has gotten better... just never again.

[@TheNiteNinja19]

@@korgied Yeah it seems like Newegg is trying to give away those 2TB ones and people I know are like "Those are a good deal" and I'm like "Yeah, if you want to lose all your data."

[@G4ming_OG]

Almost got a few ofthis I'm glad I watch this before I purchased them, thank you sir.

[@chrisbaker8533]

When ever that little voice in the back of my head says "nah, it'll be fine".... I tell it to shut up. The critical drinker has taught me much.

[@nathanscarlett4772]

A man of culture I see.

[@dermothoyne2393]

"... Go away now"

[@prodeous]

Idea for another video. show SMART results for the failed drives. be cool to see that info. What is your backup appraoch ? 3:2:1? and do you archive to tape?

[@danielsimpkins9662]

“Not flat, we checked” 100% best troll in a video ever. 😂😂😂😂

[@questionablecommands9423]

More like the NCC-1764 pool considering the failure rate of those drives.

[@Hangover_Bear]

I just started watching your channel a few months back, and was surprised to see you using the Seagate 3TB drives - especially refurbed ones 😮 As a long time home labber, I to am a victim of the 1.5 TB (late 2000’s), AND the 3TB drives (early-mid 2010’s). In total I believe I have 25-30 of these drives - all purchased brand new! These things are the biggest pieces of shit i’ve ever owned with most never reaching their 3-year warranty life - unless they’ve been sitting on the shelf as a backup. I still have the box of them sitting on a shelf as a reminder to never EVER buy a Seagate drive again. I know all hardware fails eventually, but I still have 3TB & 4TB Western Digital 7200rpm drives (purchased before the ‘Black’ naming convention) spinning full time going on at least 6+ years

[@Akkbar21]

Ya. WD has never failed on me. Sea gate twice

[@stonent]

I go for Dell Branded ES.3 3TB drives and use the latest Dell firmware. They seem to run fine and have 128K cache vs 64K on the ES.2. The Dell firmware seems to have corrected the ES.3 issues. Caveat... I have had an ST3000DM001 drive that I owned before I knew better that died suddenly losing all my data. (Years before I used the ES.3)

[@sammyfromsydney]

Yeah I once had a dozen or so mostly Seagate USB drives hooked up to my system and went out of my way to buy Seagate. I have exactly 1 Seagate left. The rest have died and been replaced by Western Digital. I have had exactly 2 WD drives fail over the last 5 or 6 years and now have more than 12 drives. I've been buying 10TB drives for the last couple of years when adding or replacing drives. I couldn't afford to do that with proper NAS.

[@Alphahydro]

Yeah boy. After reading that backblaze piece, I opted for 2TB, to 4TB, to 8. Can't wait till SSDs are affordable enough to run an all flash array.

[@jamiebone6886]

I know I'm tempting fate here but I have a Seagate 3TB desktop drive in my Synology NAS that has a bit over 62000 hours on it. I had a bad run with those early on but later ones have been really reliable. As they fail they got changed out for 4TB NAS drives.

[@uknifesame380]

I was wrong once, that's when I thought I was wrong...

[@matthewjbauer1990]

I have 4x HGST 3TB drives. They are crap drives. HGST (Hitachi Global Storage Technology) either merged or got bought out by by Toshiba storage. The 3TB can get LOUD when actively seeking. Right now, I have my 4 bay storage server/NAS drives doing tasks that seek nearly 24 hours a day and if it weren't for the fact that my server has some sound dampening in it, I would be upset beyond all belief.

[@NextNate03]

I built my very 1st Gaming PC in summer of 2015. Still using the PC 6 years later. 500 gig SSD as boot drive and a 3 TB Seagate HDD. Should I be worried?!?! Had no problems so far.

[@MrCriistiano]

It will probably be fine. But Hard Drives are bound to fail eventually. So back up any important data.

[@EyebrowsMahoney]

This is why I tend to avoid Seagate. I've had so many failures from them - it gets ridiculous when every drive you've bought from them fails within 6 months to a year of normal use. Meanwhile I've got WDs still running at over 7-10 years. Wild.

[@PoeLemic]

SO TRUE. Never buy Seagates unless you are willing to lose your data. I bought some back (say 4 or 5 years ago) and never again. I couldn't even get them to RMA them.

[@minigpracing3068]

So I have a question. Why didn't you just offline-replace-resilver 1 drive at a time which would have kept the data, and grown the pool at the end of the process? I get that restoring the back up can happen over night so your time can be spent on other tasks, not sure which one would have been quicker. I've always just replaced one drive at a time when I'm swapping for life cycle replacement, or growing a pool.

[@McTroyd]

Don't forget to recover the magnets from the drives before they go to ecycling. 😁

[@xXDarthBagginsXx]

Funny thing when you started saying how many 3TB failures you have had, my original guess was 8 - looks like I was right. I learned back in '15/'16 to stay away from any brand's 3TB drives, I do need to build a storage server so I can move my Plex media off my main rig as of right now it is spanning across multiple WD RE 2TB drives (around 14 total) I was fortunate to work for a electronics recycler and that aided my drive hoarding addiction. Wondering if you have had a chance to try 3 Taverns Craft Brewery's Rapturous? IMO it's a great ale for hot summer days by the pool - it's a Raspberry Sour Ale and is very delicious (3 Taverns is a Atlanta based brewery - so not sure if it's made it's way to OR).

[@McCornville]

Hmmm you learn something new everyday. Didn’t know how hilariously unreliable 3tb hard drives are in general. I was planning a small plex build with some.

[@HeyImGaminOverHere]

I bought 8 of these as well. 3 were immediately dead after initializing, 1 failed the next day. The 2nd day I sent them all back lol.

[@PoeLemic]

HEAR ME. Never buy Seagates unless you are willing to lose your data. I bought some back (say 4 or 5 years ago) and never again. I couldn't even get them to RMA them.

[@seths1997]

07:45 office assistant quietly leaves after realizing all of the beer is gone

[@mikeclarke952]

Nice Klingon dagger.

[@jerometv7637]

@07:10 mmmm little audio sync problem?

[@LesNewell]

My primary backup system is a pair of 6TB drives on USB adapters, one plugged in and in use and the other unplugged and kept in another building. Every couple of weeks I swap them over. Secondary backup is off site using iDrive. This is on my extra low power OMV server - 3x2TB NVME for main data, 0.5TB SSD for security cameras + 6TB hard drive for backups from other computers + 6TB USB backup hard drive. With the drives spun down total power drawn from the wall is 32W and this includes the VDSL router, network switch etc. I need low power consumption as I can get long power cuts and need 8+ hours of battery backup. Just to add a bit to the complexity the router has it's own battery backup and is connected via a fibre optic link instead of copper. Last year I had a lightning strike that vaporized the router, traveled down the Ethernet cable and took out the server as well. If this happens again at least I'll only lose the router.

[@shawnmccloskey4859]

OMG, I should have looked harder at my drive inventory. I just lost a 4TB Seagate Constellation ES3. Just up and died, nothing I could do to save it. I am going through my inventory to purge them all out.

[@MrBrandonrob]

DS9 is one of the best ST series

[@scooterjes]

A Mek'leth(sp) the only way to open up hard drive bags.

[@Squinoogle]

You mean a d'k tahg ;) The mek'leth was Worf's short sword/machete thingy.

[@davidg5898]

You're going to love my backup: a 4 drive RAID5 NAS with a cold spare (~14TB usable space). Seriously, though, I have a "backup hierarchy" to keep my backup costs reasonable. Lowest level: everything goes on the RAID5 data vault, which includes a lot of stuff that would suck if lost but I'd get over it. Middle tier: system backups and my most important stuff go on a 4TB external drive that's rsync-ed with the same backups on the RAID5 NAS. Highest importance: stuff that I absolutely never want to lose is saved on the cloud, in addition to on the 4TB drive, in addition to on the NAS.

[@windisk1112]

Hehe I think I left a comment on the video where he installed those Seagate disks warning him to not use them since you would save more by just getting the more expensive HGST drives as you won't really have a failure until 10 years and you would save a lot more by avoiding Seagate drives. Guess I was right.

[@nticompass]

Backup system? Uh.... Yeah, I TOTALLY have one of those, it's uhh.... HEY look over there, what's that?

[@andrewinconspicuous4634]

Me: chuckles nervously while glancing at my server full of these Seagate drives...

[@stonent]

I get the Dell branded ES.3 drives and use the Dell firmware and have pretty good luck.

[@andrewinconspicuous4634]

@@stonent yeah, let's just say that I am going to be looking into retiring mine asap...

[@gustavgustaffson9553]

this vid probably saved me a lot of money

[@joakimedholm128]

WHATS IN THE BOX...? AWW...WHATS IN THE BOX...?

[@cpljimmyneutron]

This is not limited to the 3TB drives... I managed a server with the 1TB versions... had a double drive failure on the same day. Replaced the entire array with WD RE drives and not only are they still working (this was 4 years ago) but both reads and writes are faster.

[@thetruejay20]

Great video, and actually a good sponsor spot.

[@dlawlis]

I always went with Western Digital. My dad was using one two that I had purchased sometime in the mid 2000s. I finally replaced them with an SSD a few months ago. I left them in there for backup in case the SSD fails.

[@JeroenvandenBerg82]

audio and video are out of sync in the end (starting around 9:10)

[@berndeckenfels]

If you restore replicate that way, will it use the same storage encryption on both sides, re encrypt it or is it not stored encrypted? (The “no Encryption” comment was geared towards ssh, right?)

[@daannys1981]

Building my backup server later today 😂😂

[@drescherjm]

From work experience with hgst + Seagate Constellation ES.2 drives (I usually have more than 100 drives spinning 24/7/365) I would say this is a good choice switching to hgst. hgst has been by far the least problematic drive in my 24 years on the job. I am sad to see the brand disappear.

[@MJRbooger]

+1

[@RC-nq7mg]

I had a 3tb constellation, It lasted many years, however it is the one of only 2 hard drives I have ever had fail, the other was a 750gb hitachi.

[@JayBlancVideos]

The mistake wasn't building an array from any particular type of drive from a specific vendor. It was building an array all of the same model of disk from a single vendor. It's quite likely you have disks from the same production batch, and since disks from the same production batch tend to fail at the same time... When building RAID, best practice is to buy from at least two different vendors, so you have much lower chances of simultaneous failures.

[@korgied]

at the very least, when I buy them new, I buy them from different vendors and for my main array I bought them over a span of a couple months to make sure I didn't get the same batches. When 3TB drives were the latest and I did not know how bad they were, my array was only 4 disks. I had very bad luck with them but what saved my data was I did what you said - I had a 1 WD and 3 Seagates, but the Seagates were different models. I had 2 drives die but not at the same time.

[@nortonofnorthamerica]

Thanks

[@subman719]

I bought “refurbished” drives ONCE!!! Dropped like flies! Sent back and only buy NEW WD Gold drives now and have ZERO issues! My data is too important to me and not worth gambling with USED drives. Plus WD Gold drives have 5 year warranty and 2.5 MILLION hours of MTBF! 😉

[@grahamleiper1538]

The Seagate 3TB drives were just as unreliable bought new.

[@subman719]

@@grahamleiper1538 … I bought “seller refurbished” Seagate Constellation 2 TB drives and had three failures in a week. I also had bought new Constellation 2TB drives and at least they lasted years before having one fail. I now switched back to buying brand new WD 4TB Gold drives and so far, so good… knock on wood 🪵

[@grahamleiper1538]

I had a FreeNAS box with 6 x ST3000dm001 bought new. Thankfully I was running raidz2, and not raidz. 3 failures in less than a year before I built a new NAS. Did have two failures simultaneously. Replaced with Toshiba, running raidz3 and hot spare. Not had to replace a single drive in 3 years.

[@ChrisRoxby]

13:11 I just noticed that you misspelled NCC-74210 on the left.

[@kjeldschouten-lebbing6260]

Get toshiba 3TB drives, same price and much more relyable.

[@rdmclark]

I have to say HGST has been the best-used enterprise hard drives I have used, so far the worse has been the WD yellow enterprise drives. I still have 1TB HGST from 2008 going strong in a 24/7 TrueNAS Server

[@ArchaeanDragon]

The phrase I have used regarding Seagate's "budget" drives since the late 80s is "Buy $10 hard drive for your $10 data." I boycotted Seagate for many years, then decided to give them a chance to redeem themselves. Got a few drives (not the cheap ones, either). All failed within 6 months. Never again. Yes, Seagate /can/ make good drives, but I'm not interested in playing craps with my data.

[@someonesomewhere1240]

Those aren't the budget drives, though. Constellation ES is the nearline SAS/SATA family that competes with Ultrastar and is now Exos. The budget ST3000DM001 Barracuda/Desktop drives also had trouble, though.

[@ArchaeanDragon]

@@someonesomewhere1240 I'm aware. I was using "budget" in quotes because he said he got them super-cheap, which should have been a warning sign right there. Doesn't change the fact that Seagate drives are, and have been for a very long time, a crap shoot.

[@gueroloco8687]

I use TrueNAS I actually used your original how to video to set mine up

[@ElectricBlakeGames]

HGST Drives are one of the best, how could you cheat on them? 😭

[@antonborsov4557]

the best in the dead)

[@nticompass]

I've never had issues with HGST drives :) FYI: HGST doesn't exist anymore, they are Western Digital now.

[@antonborsov4557]

​@@nticompass almost every first who comes to me is dead. Mostly 2.5.

[@edwardallenthree]

I can't watch this. It's too painful. I just lost two drives in a raid-z2 that were Seagate 2tb and ordered three drives as replacement. I have lost, over the past year, over 10 drives. I tell myself I will buy 4Tb HGST drives to replace, but every time I am too cheap.

[@martinpalenik]

ODD number's in computers, never good!

[@klein3de]

Red Squad! Red Squad :) (Sorry, couldn't resist)

[@hawk_7000]

I don't really get the title, the outcome for the "lemon" drives seemed pretty negative?

[@superbad123]

audio and video is not in sync around 7min mark

[@IslayAnderson]

I keep buying seagate drives and they keep failing 🙁 when my current drives fail I’m gonna bite the bullet

[@bizanks27]

Noting wrong with being a DS9 fan.

[@denvera1g1]

I've had good luck with HGST 7k3000 and 7K4000, even though they were used Edit, i have 36 drives, in 3 servers, in ZFS Z3(3 drives of parity) and 6 cold spares. In the 6 years i've been using these referbished drives(started out with one server 12 drives) i've only had 4 failures, and they've been soft failures with lots of warning

[@deviss113789]

My current back up system is a windows 10 pro media server with an AMD a10-5800K, 22GB of RAM, (3x2TB WD REDs [side note the models that I have have been giving me problems interacting with any other drive but them since I purchased the drives] in a Windows Storage Space for max capacity, and a Single 4TB Seagate Ironwolf). I know the system is not perfect. I run a Plex server off of this thing, and I once in a while will host a game server. But I am getting to the point it is time to retire the CPU and ram. But my problem is I do not know if I should get a new CPU, mobo, and Ram, and then run TrueNas? Or should I get a NAS? OR should I get a NAS to act as my main Plex system and then use this machine as a back of the NAS? Also the case I am using is the very nice and spacious Fractal Design Node 804.

[@gizmobuddy805]

I learned a long time ago that Seagate should be avoided if at all possible, for this exact reason. RIP my first RAID 1 array

[@maxmalmberg4755]

My main nas is a dell powereade r240 with one 10tb one 4tb one 1tb all enteprise seagte or dell. Runing on unraid and The nas is backup to jottacloud

[@amnottabs]

on the consumer drives side I have really bad luck with WD Blues and HGST 2TB drives running for storage on my main PC, from Seagate I have like half a dozen of 3TB Barracudas on my current NAS and main pc and they all work (knocking wood here); 500GB ones I lost count how many died on me over the years, funnily enough I still have 3 of them running on a meme NAS I made and one of them I know is the first ever 500GB HDD I bought like 9 years ago

[@thudtheace]

Ah yes, the Philippian 3TB flood drives.. That being said I have a pair of Seagate ST3000VN000 NAS drives in RAID 1 and they have worked flawlessly for almost 7.5 years and counting.

[@kjakobsen]

Well, as long as the mistakes can be monetized... ;)

[@JVHShack]

I've been holding off on building a server, but I would still like to do so. I have a giant case to build it in and a graphics card that I wouldn't mind using (Radeon R7 270X). I have about 2 TB of files to start off with. Any suggestions for the rest of the system?

[@ManCheese-Mo]

all good to go! > Truenas errors out: "Hold my beer"

[@pepeshopping]

I stopped buying 3TB HDs 2, 3 years ago! These were known to have issues. More homework next time.

[@jacobrohr]

What do your 3 servers do? Do you have 1 main one and 2 back ups?

[@tad2021]

I unfortunately bought a bunch of these for servers at work back in the day, and for the same reason a lot of enterprise had, they were the highest capacity at the time at a reasonable cost. That 40% failure rate is completely accurate, never had so many drives fail since certain models of the old Quantum Fireball which had 100% failure rate within 5 years (even IBM Deathstars were more reliable than both of those by an order of magnitude). ES.2 were failing in our systems at about one a month. Eventually of the around 30 of them we had, 12ish were left. Those got relegated to a 3rd tier backup in raid 10 with 4 hot spares. That server ran for 4 years after that with zero failures. Seems like once the defective drives were weened out by being under actual work loads for a long period, the only ones left were actually good. Over 2 years ago I move those drives over to a 2nd tier backup for the testing network and they are still running now. I think only 1 or 2 have failed, and at this point it was likely from age if anything. My guess is these "refurbs" were pulled early from production when the model was found less than ideal and the bad ones were never sused out. Either that or a shady seller took already known bad drives and repaired them by clearing the bad sectors.

[@webbstudios4769]

So I have two 12 bay Supermicro servers full of these 3tb Seagate drives... I got them for free though.

[@grahamleiper1538]

You still paid too much for them.

[@georgeindestructible]

Whenever i hear the name Seagate i remember high number of disk failures and i try to take a deep breath and forget that the company even exists. OUF

[@PoeLemic]

NEVER TRUER WORDS SPOKEN ... In my opinion, I never buy Seagates unless you are willing to lose your data. I bought some back (say 4 or 5 years ago) and never again. I couldn't even get them to RMA them.

[@johngory7388]

I Have 3 HGST 4TB Driver - SATA non SAS - So far I am very pleased with them - Started with 1 but as my data storage requirements grew I added another and finally decided to setup a raid 5 and added a 3 HGST drive

[@fretlon]

Seagate had a very, very bad run on 3TB drives. To the point that the only data I'll put on a Seagate 3TB drive is data I'm ok with losing, because the odds are it'll die as soon as you put data on it. I've had no issues with any other brand 3TB drive.

[@RoyHess666]

audio desync around minute 7?

[@johnathanpearson3203]

Did anyone notice the error message on restore? 13:35

[@bruhatthedesk5118]

When you said your servers are called Valiant and Defiant, I thought you named them after the Overwatch League teams.