BUYING A FAMILY CARAVAN || What to Consider???

[@sandyfoottravels2858]

I'd buy newly second hand in 12-18 months when there will be an abundance of van on the market. All the 'covid' purchases will come on the market. Yes they'll ask the exuberant price but they'll find it won't happen....supply and demand groovers! Still happy to sit through and listen to your vid....and the rants! 😂

[@WildTouring]

Yeah I hear you, and I’ve been recommending others to do the same. I don’t think there’s any benefit in us waiting though- for what we want we’re struggling to find something that ticks all the boxes new. I doubt we’d find it second hand. And I don’t really want to wait! We want to be back in a van together sooner rather than later!

[@Driftsheep]

That really depends if you bought a cheap low quality caravan or a good high end caravan. The high end caravans always demand a better price. Once you really start looking at the build quality you will steer clear of the cheaper vans.

[@nadiapurser4734]

Yep, that’s exactly what we predicted would be the Covid fallout. So we are waiting for those people to return to their international travel. Add to that the cost of fuel at the moment or a possible WW3... it might even happen sooner!

[@ElrossCaravans]

@wild touring Thanks for considering us in your plans! As a local small business it’s humbling to be in consideration with a company such as Zone RV 💪🏽 On a side note the ECXF19 in the shed is half complete if you wanted to stick your head in for a sticky beak again. Regards Declan 🤙🏽

[@WildTouring]

You guys are doing great stuff Declan, thanks again for having us around!

[@matthewbrasier3034]

Elrond for the win This is definitely the best way to go be able to customise it to be the perfect van and WA built can’t go wrong

[@JandH2017]

💯%, never heard of Elross & we are dropping into to look at our options after Christmas 🎄 Thanks for the recommendation guys

[@ElrossCaravans]

@@JandH2017 You will get to see us in our new facility :) we are definitely the best kept secret this side of the east coast :P

[@JandH2017]

@@ElrossCaravans see you's soon

[@darrenc4096]

Thank you both so much. You just talked me out of buying a van atm. I’ll sit back and see what happens once the economy implodes. 👍🍺

[@WildTouring]

😂 yeah it’s pretty mad, good time not to be in the market!

[@raybulmer5707]

Great video. I am 76 years old and have an east/west bed in my 18ft caravan. Every time I grumble about the effort required to make the bed, especially with the b... fitted sheet, I remind myself the exercise and stretching is doing me good. This orientation is much cosier and there are less projections to bump into. Love your work. Can't wait for more. ::)

[@dannyroberts9217]

Hi Cam and Tif, we have just bought a our first van after our camper trailer travels. Although there is only the 2 of us we bought a Stoney Creek Scout 15 with 2 bunks, which we will use for storage. It has all you wish list with a north south bed and separate shower and toilet. Worth a look.

[@WildTouring]

Thanks for the recommendation, a bit too similar to our old MDC van. We’re really after something a little bigger. Looks great though!

[@davidlight6322]

Thank you guys for that great insight on choosing a caravan. We are just starting out to look at what we need to tour Australia once we retire in the next 12-18 months. It is nice to hear from a couple that not only have a wealth of experience, but to hear an unbiased opinion, opposed to others talking up the caravan they have chosen, but at the same time are ambassadores for that particular caravan/product. Keep up the good work and look forward to future videos on your final decision and your weights explanations which confuse the hell out of me.

[@WildTouring]

Cheers David, all the best with your van shopping mate!

[@baumie4618]

Maaaaate....yep, it's a mind fook! We ordered a new caravan in November 2020, just got it November 2021. It was our 1st caravan! One bit of advice I can give you is, because of the demand, I think the quality has gone down a bit! We're having "little" problems with ours, which is disappointing when you spend so much money! But like you say, their not really concerned as they get buyers pumping in all the time! Mine wasn't any of the brands you mentioned to put ya mind at ease. It was an eye opener for us, the only saving grace is that to buy our van now is 25k extra! Which is crazy! 👍

[@WildTouring]

Yeah I’m hearing similar for others too. And it makes sense, businesses are struggling to hold onto experienced staff and the demand is enormous. Oh yeah you’d absolutely sell it second now for more than you paid, crazy times!

[@Triple-N]

This is one of the reason why we have gone to the 2nd hand market for our first camper. We have found that there has been recent installation and quality defects on the preferred manufacturer we wanted. Although the price on the 2 year old camper is almost same as new. But at least all the warranty issues and defects has addressed and resolved. Well on the one we have found anyway. Nothing worst than buying new and be inconvenient with the defects or stranded somewhere in the middle of the outback, especially how you guys travel.

[@johnlissimore8785]

I am as bewildered as you guys because the more you research and watch KZbin videos of people documenting their caravan journeys the higher your expectations are lifted. My wife and I did our first lap in 1994 towing a 1980's Viscount pop top. All up our rig including tug cost 20k. Like you I now have a Isuzu dual cab that is very reliable and currently own a 2002 17 ft Kedron pop top "owes me 20k " old but dry and semi off road. Like you looking at an upgrade in the late 90k when it suddenly dawned on me we can tour comfortably in the old van and when it suits hire flasher accommodation ie airbnb when a longer stay is desired with all the comforts of home. 70 k will buy some real adventures and comfort. Just thought Id confuse you a little more. I have currently taken up a lease of a flash beach shack in north QLD, total beach front for 12mths , 1bed fully furnished AC included for 10k.I can tour the region from my base for the next 12 mths and still have somewhere to call home be it for only 12 mths. See what I mean it's all about the adventure. Enjoy the journey. Adventure Before Dementia

[@simonb9621]

It took over 12 months to find the van that fitter our budget, weight and wish list. As you say, it didn't tick all the boxes but its bloody close. Love it. One weekend a month, 2 weeks a year.

[@natashayarrington1578]

Hey Cam&Tif Great episode we’re doing the same thing looking at upgrading our van it’s definitely a mine field.In our case we’ve got 4 kids , that makes the job even harder to find something that’s not way to big or heavy. We aren’t caravan park people and love getting totally off grid . Good luck with your search can’t wait to see what you choose.

[@WildTouring]

That certainly makes it extra tricky. Hope you guys find something that ticks the boxes!

[@johnpolt2383]

Guys Thanks for this video, we are in process of buying caravan and I agreed the most important information is not listed specially weights and detail suspension spec. We are looking for off-road caravan with 2 bunks.

[@jamesgalea3156]

Hi guys, although this is a little late, my wife and I have gone down the same track re finding a suitable van. We came across Snowy River vans and after having a few name brand vans these are the best value vans on the market and to top it up, have won caravan of the year. We purchased SRC21. There by no means perfect but being handy I got this van to where my expectations the van should be.

[@WildTouring]

Cheers guys, glad you found something you’re happy with! We definitely wouldn’t have a problem buying another imported van, our MDC was great! The camper trailer/ caravan of the year award stuff is BS, it’s not won on merit, they pay for it. Doesn’t mean it’s not a good van though!

[@scottnuffinadventures]

We have been looking for ages for the perfect van that ticks all our boxes and still haven't found one. You have pretty good taste as it sounds like we are both looking for similar things so I can't wait to see what you guys end up with. Great video and great channel guys keep up the good work

[@WildTouring]

Cheers mate, I’ll let you all know when we figure it out!

[@devonport68]

Liked your video. We are at the other end of the scale, sold the old family van and ordered a new 16 foot for two. Good to have an extensive list of what you need and buy something that is fit for purpose. We looked at some pretty high end vans that would go anywhere and tipped the scales at around 3t. Way too heavy and sturdy for our requirements(don’t want the tail wagging the dog), as our lap of Oz might involve dropping one wheel in the dirt from time to time and a few k’s of dirt into a National park. Went for a 16ft Jayco Journey outback. If you know you are buying a Ford/Holden level of van and treat it accordingly there is no issue. Our van arrives in 4 weeks and has gone up $10k since we ordered 9 months ago, Jayco honouring the original contract price.

[@zoezoe610]

We bought a new Lotus Freelander and they also have the Trooper which is setup for families. They are a premium product. Lotus does a 18' van. Full off road van than semi is the way to go is better in every way chassis and suspension are completely different.. You will have your next van for a long while so go the extra and buy once.

[@WildTouring]

Yeah we’ve looked at them and had a walk through a 19OG. Look like a good van, just a few little things that didn’t work for us.

[@moto4x4adventure9]

@@WildTouring like the service techs that use to work there?

[@margojohn604]

Awesome video as always, Tiff and Cam. I just love the non nonsense and deeply researched approach for this video. Yes, it is really tough decision purchasing a caravan that ticks all of the boxes. Our first caravan was a pure on road Olympic caravan and it was the only van that met our needs and the restrictions of our tow vehicle at the time. I learnt all about GCM/GVM/TBW as I created excel spreadsheets comparing caravans. I joined facebook owners groups, asked, made a social media nuisance of myself making sure that that caravan was THE ONE. And it was. We literally walked into the dealership, spoke with the owner, took a tour and was disappointed about a 3 month wait time. How times have changed! We were offered a display model at a discounted price and purchased it on the spot. I still love that caravan even though we have since moved on. Our current caravan is a Zone Base 20.6 family van with 2 bunks and we love it. Again I researched the living daylights out of this purchase, and yes, Elross, also featured in my potential short list but were discounted because they are based in WA. (My shortlist really only consisted of 2 manufacturers) Bushtracker build amazing caravans, but the weight of a 20.6 would always be an issue, same for Kedron. Both amazing quality vans.....but never got a look in past the dreaming stage. Our fully optioned up caravan comes in at a tare of 2700kgs ATM 3500kgs a TBW of 220kgs towed by a pre reg GCM/GVM upgraded Ford Ranger. The only issues with Base, as it was marketed at the time, was a very limited scope for change or configuration. I wanted to not have a gas cooktop inside....Zone would not accomodate that, nor take out the microwave and install a small multi function steam oven. The Base was being produced on production and not bespoke, hence a rigid degree of inflexibility. I could not justify the eztra $50k at the time to achieve those little wants with the Off Road. Despite this we found ZONE RV amazing to deal with, no delay in communication and little things that were picked up on during shakedown week easily recitifed. A couple of third party issues on product items have also been hassle free in resolution. We are still very happy purchasers. I do not know whether you follow the Lifestyle Pioneers on KZbin, but they are also a family of four travelling Australia in a 20.6 Zone Base family van double bunk being towed by an unmodified Ford Ranger. They work hard to keep their weights in check, but manage to do so. Once again, thank you for a really informative video. I look forward to the big reveal when you make your decision. (we are currently toying with the idea of selling our current van and then purchasing again when so many vans hit the markets when people give up on the idea of the Big Lap and head back overseas for holidays again)

[@WildTouring]

Thank you 😊 Glad to hear you’re happy with the Zone! We’ve been following Lifestyle Pioneers with interest. Hopefully we’ll come to a decision and lock something in over the next week or two. Hey could you shoot us an email with your address! We’ve got Patreon merch to send you (huge thankyou for your support by the way!!). We did msg you on Patreon and email you, but you must have missed it. Email address is; [e-mail]

[@craigpatten8349]

Hey Cam I’ve watched this about three times now and keep picking up great bits of info, great vid mate. I had a look at zone (probably the best website in the industry I’ve seen too) and priced up a van. Boy did it get expensive when you add things that you would get in any other van of that price (aircon, rear stabiliser legs and even microwaves). What was the van you were saying to stay away from but didn’t mention brand??

[@nick_lance]

Always love the honesty guys. We've been looking at buying a van for a while and following your journey with your insights has helped us out a heap. Thanks guys!

[@robkeith1776]

Very informative and unbiased review. Couldn't agree more that the industry is unregulated and there are many cowboys. A useful video. Thanks

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Rob.

[@clu51]

Hiya. I have done a couple of laps of Oz in my @ZoneRV including GRR etc. I love my van (lightweight, good insulation, no timber, dust free fully sealed) Best options are 1. Airbag suspension for speedy levelling 2. Natureshead toilet is a game changer 3. Quality electrics, battery/solar panel size options.

[@WildTouring]

The composting toilet freaks us out a bit! How often are you emptying it? (How many people using it and are you doing number 2s in it daily or using caravan park ablutions when you can?). And is it a pain in the bum to empty? Do you have the remove the whole toilet and scoop it out??

[@clu51]

@@WildTouring @ZoneRV are selling mostly NaturesHead toilets now. VERY popular. There are 2 of us and you don't use it every time as you pull up at a service station or go use a caravan park toilet etc. In a 6 month trip of Australia recently I emptied it twice on the trip and once when home. Amazing it just does its composting thing. Because it is just compost you can bag it easily and throw in a roadside bin. With a regular cassette loo you have to find an official dump point every few days. The NaturesHead is easy to dump out there are plenty of KZbin vids on it.

[@banjocambo4359]

Just on the double vs triple bunk thing, we've got 2 kids similar ages and thought the same thing about getting the 3rd for storage so that's what we did but I think it was a mistake in hindsight. More head room for the kids would have been better making them more comfortable in there. Also we didn't realise in our case that the water heater had to be moved for a 3rd bunk so we lost some of the tunnel boot. Worth asking what the flow on effects are if you do want to order with the triple. Anyway, just my 2 c

[@WildTouring]

Great feedback, thankyou!

[@4x4CampingandAdventures]

Awesome video in this process my self right now! helped heaps

[@SUPERTRUCKER166]

Yeah the no replies and radio silence is pretty common now for many manufacturers, no different with just about anything now, whenever this demand bubble inevitably bursts there are going to be alot of businesses going down the tube really quickly.

[@WildTouring]

Yeah I agree. I reckon customer service is just as important as the product itself! These companies that don’t return calls or reply to emails probably won’t pick up the phone when their vans breaks down and you need them in a crisis!

[@baron30001]

@@WildTouring thats on the money cam! If they do t want to chase you to take your money you can bet your arse they wont respond when you chase them to fix something thats gonna cost them money. If they dont want to contact you to sell an expensive idem its a dead set sign of their customer service in all aspects of their business. Run a mile is my advise after dealing with similar stuff in a different field.

[@Susieandchris]

This video was so helpful and also the 24 volt one . We have narrowed down to 2

[@garyjones980]

Hello again you guys. We scoured the market for 18 months and realised that a well built van was worth more than a common built van. We went for a second hand van. We went fully off road and paid a high price for it, knowing we had the bones of a well built van. We have since updated all,the solar, lithium chargers etc, and still well below,other van new prices. Our brand of van also has an active owner/ manufacturers forum with every thing you would need to know about all their maintenance, it's live and very often you get the directors giving you advice,on repairs, if and when needed. I'm sure you'll know what van we have. Take care and choose wisely, do it right, do it once.

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Gary sounds like you’re really happy with your van ☺️ What brand is it?

[@garyjones980]

@@WildTouring we have a 20ft Bushtracker. They are custom built, and you will see 18ft bunk vans for sale. We flew to Melbourne from Perth to buy ours as we had decided on a layout and budget, waited then went to see the one we bought. Their forum is comprehensive, and there's even an owners section with tips and new ideas in RnR. I'm sure what ever van you choose, it will tick almost ever box(cuz there's always compromise) ours did!!!!

[@gordoscoaching]

My family has over the years been through the same decisions. Three years ago we purchased a new 18ft Jayco just for the two of us and recently came back from four months travelling. I would consider a Jayco Work n Play for a family thinking it would tick your requirements in a van.Me personally wouldn't go with a compressor fridge because you require more batteries, solar witch means weight. We didn't have any problems with our Three way fridge up north. Jayco parts are also just about anywhere. You can check out some videos @ The Traveling Talbots Regards Gordo

[@tarynmarsall7664]

Hi guys. Just a tip with the bunks. With two bunks you still get the extra storage under the bottom bunk but the kids don't have to sacrifice head room, which also means they get a bigger window and better airflow in the hot weather. The kids can sit up without hitting their heads. The storage space has an internal access hatch (as well as a full size/length hatch when you remove the mattress) & we also had an external hatch added, and there is SO MUCH room in there! We have a 16ft Gecko Enduro (so much room, love it!).

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Taryn. Tiffs pretty keen on the double bunk for the same reasons 👍🏼

[@justinheycox3598]

Great video guys, I am in an identical predicament and just over whelmed with the amount of Caravan brands on the market. I’m glad you had Titanium on your spreadsheet as I do like their vans. All the best with your journey

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Justin. Titanium do look really nice! All the best with your van hunting.

[@stevekenny4732]

We has a similar list to you and went with Snowy River Caravans - light, affordable, fully composite.

[@dawayneduffy3509]

Good to see you looking at a new van 👍. We had the same problem. I was going to build one in the end. But then i came across a second hand van & i had already got the suspension for the one i was building lol now im fitting out a old van with all the good stuff i was going to put in my custom made van & it's under 30k.

[@wyattfamily8997]

Hope it goes well for you, wish I had the skills.

[@weekendroaming6818]

Very insightful video guys. I’m not in the market for a Van (yet - maybe one day when I win lotto 😂) but I think some of these van companies need to start being held accountable for miss information and lack of customer service. Honestly the only way us consumers will start seeing a change is it we start calling them out for their BS. I’d love to know the companies that just didn’t give a sh!t because that would put me off buying from them. Looking forward to seeing which way you go and what you pick 🙌🏻

[@WildTouring]

I absolutely agree. I think with time, as things calm down, these companies that didn't have time for potential customers during the busy periods will struggle.

[@slowboat6021]

some may say there is no such thing as an "Off Road Van", but I guess like us you want something that will handle some rough roads without falling apart or getting full of dust. to be "off road" the chassis and suspension will be upgraded, thus the weight will be up. We got a Jayco all-terrain 17.55.9 only been on a few dirt roads so far no dust inside. a few minor issues were sorted easily under warrantee. It came with many unexpected features like; Sphere WiFi, TMPS, shower tent for out shower, dust suppression system and we're very happy with it.

[@WildTouring]

Hear what you’re saying there, we want something that’s not going to need repairs after every gravel road and we certainly don’t want to be vacuuming out the dust when we pull up to camp. Glad to hear you’re happy with the all terrain, we’ve had that on our list.

[@morepawstravels]

Very well thought out and explained guys. After forum posts or vids like this you always get a bunch of “I bought brand XXXXX and it’s great” replies. It’s great to see that you’re doing it carefully and with a plan. No one knows what you need better than you do!

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Wayne. Yeah lots of opinions and recommendations. But that’s to be expected, everyone has different needs and experiences!

[@morepawstravels]

@@WildTouring hey guys... no announcement as yet? Fans are hangin' here... 😄

[@louisebennett666]

We are going through the same thing it's just the two of us looking for 16ft . Our first look was the zone but they don't make a 16ft anymore and now the Gator x. Nothing ticks all our boxes. Good luck guys welcome back.Love the video

[@WildTouring]

Thanks a shame, we would have loved the 18.6 zone but unfortunately they no longer make that anymore either 😣

[@philsymons9614]

Crackin vid Cam n Tiff, will be watching this progressive series with interest. One powerball and the dmax will become a Ram 2500. In all seriousness, I really dig the honest nature of everything you post. Cheers

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Phil. Haha I dunno what I’d get with a powerball win! Probably build and stretch an auto 79 with portals all round!

[@davebrightwell5765]

Hi guys love your honest down to earth videos. I know a lot of people bag Jayco vans one thing that I like about Jayco is the fact that they have dealer's and repair center's practically on every street corner should something go wrong. Let's face it something can happen to the best of everything. It's how they deal with it that matters to me. Great videos best of luck keep the vids coming. Cheers

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Dave, thats a good point mate.

[@colinlongton2184]

Hi first JB have a timber frame and cruise master suspension which is great but heavy. Sorry you won’t get a suitable 18 foot family van. The differences between fully off road and semi off-road is weight so fully off road won’t suit. We bought a family van but bought the basic model and an off road Z pack upgrade. The Z pack included the best semi off road features including eg upgraded chassis, Alko independent suspension, 16 inch truck tires, 2 inch chassis raiser, extended drawbar for gas bottles and genie, 2 water tanks, 2 180w solar panels, grey water tank, DO35 hitch (if you have an accident with a tow ball and the car rolls the van will go with it), black external fittings, external speakers, show special reversing camera, leather upholstery, gas bayonet. I have added auto satellite tv, diesel heater, Dometic dust reduction. Importantly the van is Aussie made in the one factory. The van cost much much less than you have quoted. The market is geared to upgrade models like cars. Just consider the basic van which is cheaper and add the Z pack upgrade costs less. The manufacturer is Nova in Melbourne. Ours is 21.6 but you will enjoy the space and the tare is 2600kg cheers Colin

[@WildTouring]

Hi Colin, thanks for your comment mate. We’re well aware that the JB has a timber frame. So does the Nova (front and rear panels are timber framed). Regardless, that’s something we’d be willing to compromise on if it ticked every other box! Unfortunately there is no industry standard definition of offroad/onroad/semi-offroad. Generally speaking most manufacturers ‘offroad vans’ have thicker 6” chassis/risers, coil springs, offroad hitch, underbody protection (plumbing/wiring/water tanks ran where they are less exposed), internal fitout is designed for intended conditions (microwave/fridge is fixed into position and internal bracing on cabinetry) and warranty policy covers offroad use (this is also relevant for insurance). We’re looking at offroad family bunk vans with Tare weight around 2500kg. There is certainly less available, but there are several suitable options.

[@Romeo-lu7wt]

I built my own van , 15 yrs ago, These days , Zone is my dream van, design , very well built, if money was wasn't a issue, Jayco , was known as Junko, but these days quality has improved greatly, and warranty is Australia wide, be careful some brands warranty is in house only , as a friend found out, on a large van with major water leak, had to be returned to factory at their cost , ie Victoria ,from Qld. Read fine print for Warranty, could save Yous a lot money. If my van has problems well it's my fault, 🤣🤣, Happy safe travels Cheers Bevan 🤠🇦🇺❤️

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Bevan, wish I was skilled enough to build my own!! Some good advice there mate, thankyou 👍🏼

[@MrDcastleman]

We just ordered an Opus OP15.. ticks most of your boxes except pop top and indoor fridge. Hybrids are the go 👌🏻

[@crazyjestor435]

I have been looking at the MDC XT16 HR Family, seems like the best for touring with kids, Thanks for sharing your video, was huge help.

[@thirdtimeround-chromenomads]

We went through similar research. We were looking for a 'toy hauler' type van, that could carry two Harleys in the rear. So, we needed a high payload. Only two manufacturers could satisfy our requirements. We are about to order a Paramount. Big van though 😕

[@Crustypetee]

Great video. Thanks for sharing your thought processes. After three years we ended up getting a Jawa Sirocco as it was the customer service that was the difference.

[@ianmetcalf5782]

Thanks for that overview. Enjoy following your journey and that you give honest reviews. Good luck with your search.

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Ian!

[@kymswadling7817]

Hi Tiff and Cam, really appreciate this video! Echoed my thoughts exactly in The Rant. I’m hoping in a year or two once the Covid wave is over there will be that many second hand vans for sale the prices will have to drop again from the manufacturers and it will seem less of a compromise when pricing isn’t so over inflated. Can’t wait to hear what van you’ve chosen.

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Kym! I'm sure there will be an influx of second hand vans available with more realistic pricing eventually. I don't think we'll see new vans any cheaper though - I reckon they'll just plateau on pricing for a while until the market picks up again.

[@timnorth7524]

Hey guys, another very good video. Congratulation on the new addition to your family. Re vans I couldn’t recommend Zone RV highly enough, they are in my opinion the best van on the market for numerous reasons. Happy to answer any questions about them. Cheers

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Tim! We’ve heard overwhelmingly positive things about the vans and the company 👍🏼

[@alexanderpaterson968]

The reason why a lot of manufacturers don’t list their weights etc is in the past unfortunately some of them were held a bit too liable for them being slightly overweight 😮

[@deirdrefisher2773]

Hi guys, great info. We have a retreat Frazer and love it. Although timber we hit over 1k dirt along ashburton downs rd, Dooley downs Rd via mount Augustus through to Mangaroon to Kennedy ranges, all variants of dirt terrain. Very off grid, Van held up great although it’s only semi off road for weight and could have done with a dust thingy.. Happy hunting, good luck. 🤞

[@gregpolynatsammy3614]

Difficulty regarding prices is that things are shifting so fast. Here on the East Coast there are builders going bankrupt leaving people with nothing because fixed cost quotes were locked in 6 months ago and prices for everything habe gone up so much that builders would be losing money. Its a shame and for everyone involved but a sign of the times. In terms of the additional prices for second hand vans its purely because there is no wait times. Have you considered GVM/GCM upgrades to give you a little bit extra weight? We went with a Willow Boab 621 in the double bunk variant. ATM comes in at 3200 with 600kg of payload. Really suits our needs. They are a small manufacturer but we are very happy so far. If you are ever over in Sydney, happy to show you around.

[@WildTouring]

If caravan manufacturers are going broke in this market, then they're seriously doing something wrong. I have a GVM upgrade, which I will definitely be needing to tow what we want. GCM upgrades are not possible post rego in WA unforunately. The Willows look really good and certainly tick the boxes for us on paper. We had discounted them because there is no dealer/demo in WA, and we've been unable to get over East. But since posting this video a few local Willow owners have offered to show us theirs (you're a generous bunch!), so we're going to have a look into it! Thanks for the kind offer!

[@malcolmhay6668]

Hi Cam very informative, enjoyed the watch. Correct me if I'm wrong, you mentioned Zone caravans. I thought that one of the owners of Zone is Tofty. A mate of Mr Buckaroony, who you and Pete joined the other night on a live feed.

[@WildTouring]

Thanks mate. Yeah Tofty is CEO of Zone (not the owner), and a mate of mine and Bucks.

[@lazkovacs6495]

Hi guys easy buy a Jayco best value for money. The savings you can do a lot things. I had 3 of them and yes little issues but never major . They outback range good touring. Long wait but worth it. I’m waiting for my next to be delivered. And because I paid the deposit last year November secured the price. Since that price went up by $10k and will be again before we getting our van. So if you ad up lots of saving. Plus past experience with warranty Repaires never had an issue always been looked after. Anyway we will see you on the road

[@WildTouring]

Thanks great feedback mate. We definitely see the value in Jayco, and it is an option for us.

[@paulmasson5971]

I could recommend a Jayco. Don’t believe the naysayers calling them names. Most of the components (ovens, fridges, doors, shower units, toilets, etc) are the same as in expensive vans. The jay tech suspension seems to work well. The only thing I would recommend is replacing screws on cupboards with glue and longer screws if they work loose. Australia wide so warranty work if required won’t be an issue. It comes down to where the dmax will realistically tow what you buy. And I reckon there’s more than$30k difference in price, more than enough to add any extras if required. Whatever you buy enjoy it.

[@AMastersify]

Totally feel your pain about the caravan websites. Absolutely shocking for info!! We are looking for the exact same caravan as you guys!! If we had 'wait list' time up our sleeve we would put in an order for a Everest Camo 18ft family bunk. Positive reviews, good price, quality made and well thought out van. But I think they are taking orders for next year already. But we are hoping we can source a Titanium Southern Star in reasonable time. Don't forget to check out the Lemon RV list private group on FB. The buyer beware list has become invaluable to see how warranty claims, major issues go etc with certain brands. It really is hard to find that van that ticks all the boxes, fingers crossed you do 😊

[@WildTouring]

Yeah we're on the Lemon RV page, its pretty concerning how many vans are on there! All the best with you van buying!

[@thetravellingtrekers8959]

Great informative video guys, we had the same issues when we were looking last year (esp being in WA). We were the same as you guys , tent,campers, caravans ect… We ended up signing up for a Masterpiece performance, and I must say they have been absolutely fabulous to deal with. We hopefully get ours in June (after a 13month wait) and can’t wait to get off the beaten track. Good luck with your search and hope you guys end up with exactly what you want. I think Tiff should take up Caravan marketing, as she absolutely nailed everything they don’t list and what most people want to know 😉 👍

[@WildTouring]

Thanks guys! Congrats on the new van! We also found Masterpiece really good to deal with. Haha, yeah Tiff is a gun, they'd be lucky to have her!

[@steamy38]

Liked your video I understand where you are coming from looking at different brands and features. We have a 2009 19ft Bushtracker caravan full aluminium tubular frame, went with a toilet/shower for more usable space and bench space. This is our 3rd van the last a hybrid 15ft, you couldn’t swing a cat in it ok for short trips away not long term to live in. Fully built in Australia. We have had no dust ingress travelling extended periods on the dirt and we have no dust pressurisation system fitted. No plastic hatch covers which flex and allow dust into tunnel boot etc. plenty of water storage for off grid and a 1000kg pay load. Our van is 2460kg tare. They are not the cheapest van around but built for the long haul. Look forward to your future video. We have been watching The Lifestyle Pioneers on KZbin and they are travelling around Australia in a Zone rv caravan (bunk van)over some very rough terrain towing with a Ford ranger. Think carefully because when you have something go wrong when your out in the back of nowhere you need support and that’s where the cheaper end of town leave you high and dry. I have a couple of friends with new Jayco (Junco) Xtrack van and a Jayco motor home. The van had leaks in roof and there motor home expanding side wouldn’t retract both only a month old. I have heard horror stories from other owners we met as we travelled around for five months. The support they got was less than ordinary. You get what you pay for, flat packed from China. Look forward to your future adventures.

[@WildTouring]

Thanks mate, yes very true! We have been watching lifestyle pioneers too, came across them when we started researching the zones ☺️

[@davidhall6327]

Great video guys. FYI importation of shipping containers coming into Aus has increased by approx. 300% . On another note with international travel opening up we'll definitely see prices dropping in the market. Looking forward to seeing what you decide on.

[@WildTouring]

Yeah I've heard importation is getting expensive! Cheers David.

[@tomkilvert2686]

Have a look at option rv guys we are stoked with ours and seems to tick all your boxes and they were so good to change stuff if needed

[@samwagner3245]

@wildtouring We were in a very similar position to you. We could only look at vans in Perth and put a huge emphasis on Off Road ability, quality and being as nimble as possible. We ended up ordering the Elross ECXF-R 16.5. Couldn’t be happier with the process so far. Plus they look siiiiiick!

[@WildTouring]

Awesome, I’m sure you’ll be stoked with the ECXF. We had a look through one a few weeks ago and it was bloody impressive.

[@ckleinig]

Absolutely hang out for a proper fully composite van. We have one and it is excellent as far as that goes. Like all vans, there are some things which bug us. Happy to chat with you about what we have discovered.

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Colin, that’s definitely our preference!

[@mattpali8854]

Great video guys. Do you guys have a list / spreed sheet great idea.. thanks keep up the great work

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Matt. Nah we didn't bother keeping a spreadsheet. Considered it, but even as we were doing our research we noticed pricing/inclusions/construction methods were changing all the time. So it wouldn't be relevant or accurate anyway!

[@mattpali8854]

@@WildTouring no dramas. Thanks for replying. Love the channel keep up the good work

[@johntyson8932]

Thanks for that - you explained (in laymans terms) a lot of things I hadn't considered. I look forward to the weights and measures video and, of course, the final reveal. Best wishes.

[@WildTouring]

Cheers John 👍🏼

[@johntyson8932]

@@WildTouring Thanks Cam. When you do the weights and measures video, could you also include data on drivers license requirements, please?

[@rich9903]

Hi Cam & Tiff. As someone just starting out in the 4WD camping/touring scene with a young family, I’m also in the market for a van (or camper trailer) and ideally, would like to cut to the chase and ‘buy once’ if at all possible. I’ve quickly learned however, that you can’t have your cake and eat it regarding towing weights and features. Apart from that, I’ve spent the past couple of years researching which vehicle to purchase and have come up with the Prado as the best vehicle that suits my needs (due for delivery end Mar 22). I almost bought the new MU-X until I test drove one and decided I didn’t like it after all. I am really keen to see what you guys end up going with but in particular, how your DMax goes towing it in all kinds of terrain. From all the YT videos I’ve watched regarding towing weights and the effects on vehicle handling (especially John Cardogan at Auto Expert) I am strongly leaning towards a more conservative side for safety reasons. I’m getting a pre-rego GVM upgrade to 3.5T (mainly for additional vehicle payload) but don’t intend on towing anywhere near that - especially with a small 4cyl diesel. In that regard, I’m also looking forward to your eventual GVM/GCM calcs for the van you end up purchasing. I’ve just‘liked and subscribed’ to your channel 🤘

[@WildTouring]

Thanks Rich! I’m sure you’ll be very happy with the Prado and good luck with the van search!

[@howlingadventures3668]

we have a zone21.6 off rd, love our van picked up dec 2021 ..they look after you.. total all up with changes $175k,based in SA

[@WildTouring]

Glad to hear you’re happy with your van ☺️

[@andrewrobertson6012]

Thanks for this. Never owned a caravan but have been thinking about it or motorhome. Lots of good nuggets of info there. I share your frustration about vendor websites. It’s also a shame vendors or dealers don’t have a try b4 you buy option, for those new to all this.

[@WildTouring]

There is a website called camplify where people hire out their caravans/motor homes. Might be worth a look if you haven’t already ☺️

[@furtherupthetrack7583]

Tiff, Cam, Chloe, Brodie & Percy thanks for the video 👍👍👍

[@WildTouring]

Cheers mate 👍🏼

[@michaelstokes2685]

Hate to say it guys, but I think with the bunks, you may have to compromise for a longer van. I started the same as you, smaller the better then thought about living in it full time in the full range of weather in Australia - Tassie in winter to the tropcs in wet season and decided it was very possible to be sitting inside for a few days. For two of us we're going with a 19'8" van. Zone RV would be the cream of the crop in my opinion, but I went for a more budget conscious Essential. Best of luck getting through the miriad of choice and options!

[@WildTouring]

yeah I think you're probably right! We're prepared for compromise. All the best with your new van!

[@bobklincke4671]

Another well constructed and delivered vid. Really appreciate the work you guys put in so I can enjoy a couple of home brew while being thoroughly entertained. Oh and educated!

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Bob 🍻

[@joshuaherden4895]

Love to hear your thoughts and how well researched you are. I totally agree with the heavy van issue- manufacturers seem to be out of step with car load and weight allowances. Looking forward to a day we’re Light caravans are easier to find (hoping it’s not to much to ask). Keep up the good work. 👍

[@WildTouring]

Cheers mate! I think there is going to be some significant changes in construction and subsequent weight savings soon. There’s a few big players looking at carbon fibre and other light weight materials! Interesting times!

[@christiankerr5186]

That was an awesome process video. Thanks for sharing your trials and thoughts on what seems at times to be a random decision from others.

[@WildTouring]

Appreciate the comment Christian, cheers mate 👍🏼

[@bigred6927]

Similar process I've been through. Have decided that a JB Gator X is the one. Good luck on your decision.

[@WildTouring]

They look great, I'm sure it will serve you well! Enjoy the new van.

[@bigred6927]

Cheers mate. I also had the same problems you guys had. The lack of information, and the poor website designs infuriated me to no end. I was fortunate enough to find a caravan dealer that was 15mins from my joint where the customer service was probably the best I've ever experienced. Full transparency including price hike information, expected changes for the new model, and no pressure to put a deposit down.

[@henrysammut9104]

Hi Guys, Thanks for the wealth of information on your search for a van. I do not own a van but a few people (family) seem hooked on New Age vans. They were bought by the Walkinshaw Group a few years ago which amongst other things are converting all the Ram trucks and Corvettes to right hand drives in Australia. They (Walkinshaw) originally

[@henrysammut9104]

started in motor racing and are leaders in technology and new development.

[@WildTouring]

Cheers for the suggestion mate, we’ve had a look at New Age 👍🏼

[@marnibarratt8805]

very interesting guys we had same issues & JB ticked all the box's, after a lot of research we went with a JB 22"6 semi off road. not sure how old your vid is but good luck.

[@WildTouring]

Thanks Marni! JB owners seem to be really happy with their vans!

[@kenlillia]

Hello Cam and Tiff. I am a 68 year old retired panel beater so I may have the benefit of that experience to by a good looking used van and modify it myself. From what I have seen of your skill set Cam you could do it easily. You won’t be using it for 18 months any way if your order new so. Save some cash (a lot of cash) and do it yourself. KZbin is a great school. I refuse to pay over 100k for something that moves and I can’t test drive. Cheers ken

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Ken, love the idea of that mate! But to be honest I’m just too time poor. Believe it or not running ‘Wild Touring’ is just about a second job! I was up until 1am this morning editing this video, and I’m replying to comments at 10pm now 😂 Plus, my handy man skills are pretty dodgy haha!

[@kenlillia]

@@WildTouring hopefully a manufacturer will offer you a van ,

[@colinlongton2184]

And the basic Metrolink model is not advertised as a family van but they can do the family layout in it.

[@matthe9365]

I would agree the 2 bunk option is way more spacious. A front window for airflow above the bed is on our must have list.We are also looking for something similar to the older 18.6 Zone RV, it's disappointing they don't make it anymore it would be ideal. Will have to look into the Elross vans.

[@WildTouring]

Yeah it is a shame, the 18.6 base zone was perfect for us!

[@richard4136]

I think most of us that are serious about travelling long term go through the same process and have the same outcomes. My thought process on buying cheaper and saving some money was out weighed when I realised I didn’t want to ruin a trip because I needed a part or am broken down somewhere where where’s there’s nothing for miles. I guess dearer doesn’t mean better but it gives some piece of mind. BTY. I was looking for 16 to 18 foot and ended up with a 19.6. 🤷‍♂️Good luck!

[@WildTouring]

Wise words, very true! We’re considering a 20ft van now, after saying we wouldn’t go bigger than 18ft 😂 what’s an extra couple of feet haha!

[@robfindlay1]

Interesting video. I'm looking at buying an MDC but can wait for a while in hope that a lot hit the second-hand market once we start opening up. The funny thing is that I did a sailing course last month and the guy who bought your van was also on it. We were encouraging him to start his own KZbin channel called The Son of Wild Touring: The Journey Continues....lol

[@WildTouring]

😂 oh wow how funny, small world!

[@peterdouglas4073]

Loved your video. Agree with all your points. We bought a third Jayco the first two were good. The third is back in for more warranty work. My two bobs worth, locked in price (I know how people can expect anything else). Locked in "DETAILED SPECIFICATIONS " (again people are expecting less than what they ordered because the dealer can find a buyer for it tomorrow). And I maybe being harsh, but it's the computer era. Manufacturers and dealers should be able to give a delivery date. A dealer should not be able to make a sale without a product to sell. Sorry about venting. Best of luck with or shopping.

[@WildTouring]

Absolutely agree! Unfortunately we’re hearing similar accounts from a few Jayco owners, can’t help but wonder if quality of new vans is slipping with the pressure of so many orders.

[@mwilliams2101]

Great video guys. Thorough explanation that I think alot of us needed. Looking forward to the weights video! Are you planning on taking Percy traveling with the new van?

[@WildTouring]

Thanks mate! Yeah we will definitely have him in the van for some trips (obviously national parks are an issue).

[@philipfox1952]

What do you think about Titanium Caravans? I'm at something that is built in Australia' The van I'm looking at is a Titanium Hardcore 22 ft with bunks. Fully loaded without gas only electric. an extended draw bar with a tool box I can get a Gofer electric wheelchair into. Thank you for your input.

[@nico_013_9]

Heya, thanks for the vid... I'm having similar struggles. What do you think of the timber construction of the JB gator X, is it a deal breaker?

[@nrtuazon]

Great information shared in here. A lot of people are looking at new vans and its a challenging process. Your video will definitely help a lot. Curios to know though if Royalflair was part of the brand that you’ve looked at?

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Nino. Yeah definitely looked at Royal Flair - we LOVE the idea of the drop down bed. Unfortunately they're just too heavy for our setup.

[@australianoverlanders4688]

Great video and love your interaction. Keep up the good work

[@WildTouring]

Cheers mate 👍🏼

[@newage_cruising2529]

It's definitely overwhelming. We found the same with marketing etc. We ended up going with a new age road owl adventurer. their service centre/dealership was only 1hr drive away. Touch wood. They have been great 👍

[@WildTouring]

That’s a bonus! We’d be a lot more comfortable buying from a local dealer. Unfortunately options are pretty limited on the west coast.

[@bully1ify]

Friends of ours have a Zone 21’ , had nothing but issues with the electrics. They live in it full time, 3 water pumps, 3 dcdc chargers, lights, plumbing....I certainly wouldn’t be putting down $100 + K on something that I wasn’t confident in taking off around Australia in.

[@WildTouring]

Appreciate the comment, but honestly I’m not too worried about the ancillary stuff. The Enerdrive DCDC chargers they use are good gear, same unit I’ve had for 5yrs in my canopies, and same unit used in many vans at a similar price point. Same deal with the water pumps (Shurflo) and plumbing (john guest fittings), pretty standard across most vans.

[@bully1ify]

@@WildTouring they have changed the dcdc then, and the Shurflo pumps are mounted upside down ( with the electrics below the pump) the seals fail and fill the electrics up, causing failure. If you go that direction, fully inspect it on handover ( but you know that )

[@terrysmith1425]

Thanks guys for sharing all your research . Very informative 👍

[@chrisspies8123]

Great vid guys. Nothing wrong with laymens terms. But I love the research you guys do on things. We are trying to work out which van to buy, but due to the seemingly ridiculous costs of new. We will be waiting out for hopefully the covid tax price drop in 12-18 months.. but thats cause we can and arent in a hurray in a van as our comprimise at the moment id $$$$'s.. Orlook at new then if we are left with no chiice. Our checklist is comprehensive too for our needs and wants. So i get its hard to narrow things down... Great points Tiff on salesmanship 101.. alot of them are shocking . Cant wait to see what you pick though....

[@matthewbrasier3034]

Cam check out vision VX 19.6 family very close to the layout you’re talking about and are very similar to zone RV 100 % timber free so very light

[@peterreeve3030]

That was a great video so informative so looking forward to you guys hitting the Rd again I was in the same boat as you for choosing a van, we just ordered ours and 12 month wait. Our choice was easier as no kids.

[@WildTouring]

Cheers Peter, enjoy your new van when it arrives! Start planning some trips!

[@jeepwillbmw]

I had most of the same requirements. Nova caravans fully custom build me one.

[@mitchwalmsley]

Not a bad list. We're getting our Zone Base Family with bunks in a month. Shame they're changed the line up and now the new models ramp up a bit in price. Worth keeping an eye out for a second hand 18.6 zone off-road bunks. That'd fit the bill... But good luck finding one.

[@mitchwalmsley]

The unicorn you're looking for (if sold secondhand at a reasonable price): kzbin.info/www/bejne/qp3VoaJ4qb2nlck

[@WildTouring]

We would buy an 18.6 zone in a heartbeat. That ticks every box! Wish they still made them. We actually found one for sale. Only one in aus at the moment, it’s a few years old and they are asking 140k!!

[@henrysammut9104]

One other worthwhile option which I have looked at seriously is AOR (Australian Off Road). Not sure if it ticks all your boxes but all the reviews I have read seem to be very positive. Price and lead times may be problematic.

[@WildTouring]

Yeah they certainly get a good wrap!

[@kha58]

Two very intelligent people. Looking forward on your pick.

[@WildTouring]

Thanks ☺️

[@nesoutandabout6161]

Great vid guys. Absolute minefield looking at vans. I see we’re your priorities are and that’s understandable. We are looking at a JB Gator X. I don’t agree that they are any less quality believe they are top class, but, and big but for you, timber framed. Loads of JB vans out there so must be doing ok, but yes, the timber frame is certainly a consideration. Good luck with the decision

[@WildTouring]

Cheers mate, all the best with your van shopping!

[@lyallwithers2516]

I'm not sure about the Jayco option after having a 21ft Starcraft Outback which was supposed to be semi off road. We didn't take it on unsealed roads often. Only places like Coalseam Conservation Park. But after a trip to Kalgoorlie on Gt Eastern Hwy I had three of the 4 ceiling lights hanging by the wiring and the microwave off the mountings.

[@WildTouring]

Heard a few stories like that… bit of a worry.

[@jimmycook872]

Spot on guys Came to the same conclusion. You'd have to be a mug to buy from these con artist. I'm totally over it. Just sold my van that I bought second hand for $20,000 more than I paid for 3 years ago. No shortage of buyers that's for sure. It's a case of buyer beware, right now. LOL Good content guys. Cheers 🇭🇲😀👍🍻🍻

[@gettingtheretravel]

I haven’t read all the comments, but I will say don’t buy into the hype of “needing” an off road van. I’ve taken my van many places including the Gibb River Road. I’m sure you saw many vans on the Gibb that weren’t off road vans. I had zero dust issues and zero breakages. I put this down to driving to the conditions and having a StoneStomper. I met someone on the Gibb with the same van and he did have dust issues. Next day he overtook me at 80 - 100kph when I was doing 30-40kph. Speaks for itself. I currently have a Jayco and previously a Coromal, both semi off road. I would reassess your choices and possibly save money. I think van breakages on roads like the Gibb are mostly self inflicted by not driving to the conditions.

[@WildTouring]

Thanks for the comment. Ironically we just stumbled across one of your videos whilst watching Jayco reviews. You mentioned you wouldn’t buy another one due to many issues over the first 3000kms. Have you had a change of heart?

[@gettingtheretravel]

@@WildTouring No I haven’t. However it’s been over 2 years now and I haven’t had anymore issues. My issues were easily fixed and some people wouldn’t have a problem with this. Jayco were hard to go past when it came to ball weight which was a big factor for me. Some manufacturers now build composite vans which they weren’t when we were looking, so there would be others in the mix if I was looking now. I also have a lot more confidence now to take a semi off-road van into places where people say you can’t. If you’re considering a Jayco, you’re welcome to come and look at mine and I’ll show you what I’ve done and what the issues were.

[@matthewbrasier3034]

Absolutely hit the nail on the head with crappy web sites we were doing the same thing looking on caravan sales to see the different models Even the high end company’s like zone have there fair share of problems they used to a FB page called Zone with friends but they ended up deleting it because owners were posting problems and was turning some buyers away

[@WildTouring]

We absolutely expect to have some sort of issues along the way with any van we buy. That’s just the nature of dragging 3t over rough terrain for thousands of kms. It’s how the issues are dealt with and how much they impact our travels that’s important! Can honestly say we haven’t found a car/caravan/camper owners group that doesn’t have reports of issues yet 😂

[@johnb9356]

We have a JB van (18'6" duel axel) and one of the main reasons we went with them was owner feedback and also they allowed us to make changes we wanted (fridge, wheels, DRS, Solar to name a few), also the quality of the finish. Had it for 9 months now and really happy with our choice.

[@WildTouring]

Thanks for the feedback John. Thats one thing we've noticed with JB - the owners all seem to be really happy with customer service/support!

[@snoordman04]

Hey Cam and Tiff, very good video! I'm in a similar situation looking for a van. Question, don't you think that the lead times will drop fast when all borders will open and people will start travelling overseas again? Thanks for the info!!

[@WildTouring]

Cheers mate! Yeah I’m sure lead times will drop. I don’t think new vans will drop in price though, I think they’ll just plateau for a while.

[@Kasual_kampers]

Thanks for sharing. Great insight to problems facing RV buyers at the moment. Not in the market for a new RV, but excellent info.

[@WildTouring]

Thanks mate! It’s a good time NOT to be in the market for a new RV 😂

[@ultimateadventuresblog6564]

so in january we decided to hit the road fulltime, 4 days later we bought a van, new, pick it up in july, from another state. Man we do things way different to everyone else. We did the same when we bought our camper, no intention, saw one, 2 weeks later bought one. PS. We settled on a JB gator X after looking at 3 brands

[@WildTouring]

Haha we used to be a bit like that. We sold our forward fold camper on a whim a few months out from our lap and bought the MDC without looking at anything else or doing all that much research! 😂

[@mrvillagepunk]

Owned a couple Jayco's and now own a JB. It's great owning a van that can be used like a van should be.

[@WildTouring]

Didn’t rate the Jaycos?

[@mrvillagepunk]

Two completely different vans. JB will go off road and will stay in one piece. No need for 300 service centers.