Buying Used Bikes!

[@Eddiep80]

I just bought a 21 KTM 250 sxf with 4.2 hrs for 5k. Thing was mint, not a scratch on it. Excel wheels. Full system fmf. New Mx33’s. Flo levers. Pro taper bars. Guy wanted 6800 and I told him I was looking for a bike for my son and don’t want to spend more than 5. And he said he would do it for 5 because he’s a parent and understands. Guy was really cool!

[@78raarons]

We got a 23 250f w/44hrs for $7k.. dude also had a 22 with 90hrs for $5k.

[@clz_papi]

that’s insane lmao. im 14 so i dont have money but im experienced so i upgraded to a ‘22 XCF350 for $7k w 90 hours. you robbed him with a mask and everything 😂😂 good for you

[@Blockhead_teda]

Wasn’t for your son lol 😂

[@Eddiep80]

@@Blockhead_teda yeah it was lol he’s 17 and he rides the track with me

[@stevodakine1]

My favorite Craigslist quotes, “My loss, your gain!” or “Like new!!” That’s is an automatic move on to the next listing. Great video.

[@awesomefish100]

It’s quite crazy how much Facebook marketplace has changed the game. Craigslist was my go to for bikes up until a couple years ago. Now you’ll be lucky to see a couple on there in my area... Facebook marketplace has the majority.

[@hahnmowermotorsports179]

I’ve bought every bike and quad I’ve ever owned on Craigslist or marketplace. There are good deals out there and there are clapped out bikes. I’ve gotten a few killer deals

[@Dirt_Serpent]

That first tip is A #1. I just got a 2003 yz125, and it’s absolutely MINT. Talked to a ton of people, ended up liking the person with this bike and made the trip 2 hours away to go look at it. Pull up and there it is absolutely spotless, engine is frozen cold and starts on the first kick. Warm it up and rip up and down the street. Wide open feeling every gear, clean title in hand. Didn’t even try to negotiate, no work necessary, dude gave me a new set of tires to go with it. Even gave me new tires for my little brothers bike. Payed $2200 for it and compared to anything else on the market where I live in that price range I absolutely SCORED.

[@Dirt_Serpent]

Full disclosure, I got mine on Craigslist. I really had to search for it too. Everything I saw on Facebook marketplace was completely destroyed, not running, or had no title. The guy I bought mine from had a full history of the bike starting with the original owner. Definitely a lot to think about buying used.

[@dj27nitro]

Hell yeah good deal

[@Dirt_Serpent]

@@dj27nitro ended up getting lucky again and traded that bike straight across for a 1998 yz400f. Same exact thing all over again

[@dj27nitro]

@@Dirt_Serpent you gotta sick deal bro that’s awesome … right now I’m currently trying to decide what 250 I want..

[@Dirt_Serpent]

@@dj27nitro older or newer? And 2 stroke or 4 stroke?

[@bmotomo421]

For many years there was no better place than Southern California to buy used dirt bikes. Seemed like there was one in every other garage. For me, bone stock with low hours trumps all else. This was before the c0vid era used bike market surge.

[@EarthSurferUSA]

It's only been since 97 when I bought a new bike, and picked up a slightly used bike from a dealership in 2020 and it had a title. It is the first time I had a dirt bike with a title, as a title was only for legal road vehicles. When did we "have to" get a title for a off road bike?

[@narfer]

You should see the prices in Canada. One 2 stroke seems to be worth two 4 strokes

[@stevemarquez9628]

The 76 RM250 makes me a little leery because of the frame loop over the rear fender. Suzuki RMs didn't have that frame loop. It was there on the TS enduros.

[@EarthSurferUSA]

That is one thing about it. It looks to be a build from an enduro to a MX bike, or a MX bike to an enduro. I am going with the MX bike transferred into an enduro because that looks like the RM frame (sans the loop)/engine/pipe/forks/swing-arm with laid down shocks (enduro models did not have yet). It has the loop, and a kick stand that RM's also did not have. I think they were added to the RM, and there was no bigger tank for the woods at the time. :) I could be wrong, but it looks like a lot of good work either way. I do notice the channel says it would be a great nostalgic show bike. I don't think he knows how many old guys are racing vintage bikes. I am sure it has been sold.

[@TheCarlejoseph]

It's hard to find good deals rights now but it you look multiple times a day and you are quick you can still find a good deal. Calling and not texting is going to increase your success as well. Great video

[@leethomas556]

I picked up an 06 crf250r that looked like it had just been put together right out of the crate for $4200 last summer. Up here in the NW, I'd do it all over again too.

[@bradkaberline5828]

Liked the mid 80 mid 90 Honda cr then the frame change the 90s kx was great but they are all recreational rides so is about making it yours. Like riding your even getting another feels completely different rethal and pro tapers different feel 600 for any kx is good just them yrs but a used bike yoy know is been rode for most part but 600 is a good price for a kid to get in the ride instead of trying to sell a factory bike even if you got money in it take the lost and tell the buyer I hooked you up with pro circuit pipe stoke pipe chromed and a tag but still good

[@EarthSurferUSA]

The 2005 CR125 at min (10:40) looks like a fantastic deal to me, if you take into account only 20 hours on it with a better set of forks and other good things. A 125 set up for a 180lb rider is pretty sure to need lighter springs for the new lighter buyer (most likely), but if the bike is what the ad says, with the usual greasing and checking things, that thing is ready to ride (maybe a piston ring change to be safe, $100.00), for a season just like a new bike. I dig your channel and I can tell you have tons of experience with a great depth of knowledge. But on this, I don't think you pay enough attention to how old/used a bike may be. PS: I have seen the clutch cover on bikes get worn finish in 5 hours with a little mud in there. It mostly depends on how pidgin toed you are and how much you don't ride on your toes IMO. :) I think (if the ad is accurate), I would have trusted that bike before all the others. And since it is probably just as competitive as a new YZ125 or better,---go for it. But, since it has different triple clamps, you should find out how it may have changed the rake with a different offset. Reading Paul Thed's of Race Tech book. :)

[@dylanjames4537]

Its bad here in Australia for 2nd hand bike prices, waiting for the financial collapse here as well, cheap good bikes

[@EarthSurferUSA]

"The financial collapse" you may be speaking of also means you won't have any money. A real economic collapse, (caused by collectivism policy every time), is more than just stocks going down, and us not noticing much if we don't own stock, (like 2008). It is the total (or almost total) devaluation of our buying power, our money. During the 1929 depression, our money was not worth much more than toilet paper, and the cheap "new" bikes will sit on the showroom floor behind locked doors.

[@78raarons]

In my area, Pa, I'm seeing brand new 2023 125sx's for $6500 at the dealership.. Making room for the 24's.

[@EarthSurferUSA]

In reality, what is a 125cc 2-stroke good for today? Still too fast for a entry level bike (it is a race bike,---still.), but can't compete with 250cc 4-strokes on these fast tracks today. It is totally a bad woods bike for anybody, while being too tall for anybody under 6 foot tall, (which is almost always too heavy for a 125). The EPA forced 4-stroke left this bike no where to compete or excel at. It can only be fairly competitive with other 125cc 2-strokes with the bikes left on the market. No 125 cc class for racing, too zingy for the woods. A dirt bike with out a home, with last years sitting on the floor with the lowest retail price in the big bike market.

[@78raarons]

@@EarthSurferUSA we're using it for a step up bike, going from a supermini to a 250 was too big of a jump. But our friends just won GNCC National Championship on a 125. There's still a place for them, In a race setting, mostly for the step-up bike, like we're doing. But the local dealers say they sell a lot of them.

[@tonyd7164]

Number one rule for buying an older (10+ years) used dirt bike. Tear it down to the bare frame and replace every bearing and any rubber parts. Then rebuild the suspension, both ends. When it's completely apart you can find all the bad stuff. Eliminates surprises.

[@Dirtbiker901]

solid idea not always necessary i bought an 04 crf450r and it was necessary then but i just picked up a 06 250x and it’s still got the original chain and tires! you can generally tell the motor condition based on how beat the cases look.

[@78raarons]

I'm doing that now for the used 23 250sxf I just got.. Instantly went to Rocky Mountain & got every bearing & seal they had..

[@mritalianhillbilly]

Prices are crazy right now, almost 2k for bikes that don’t even start, or that are clapped out

[@EarthSurferUSA]

If it is a 2-stroke and you know how to fix it and able to get parts, they can be brought back to new condition, even if in bad shape, (everything, suspension top end including cylinder plating, bottom end all bearings/seals, tires, clutch, chain/sprockets, odds/ends.) for probably under another 2-grand. What better winter project could you have? Spring time? That bike will now be special to you, because you are part of it. :)

[@jamessullivan9468]

Had a lot messed up on my drz 250

[@_CashFlowTy]

Hey I been looking on marketplace for xr100 but no one has title I’m In Georgia

[@rockman49er]

I just restored a 98 kx250 4 grand into it its clean and fast i hope its worth 4 grand or more 😮 did i mess up 😢

[@Dat_Sun]

Here in Colorado just seeing a used bike for sale is a red flag.

[@sheepdawg6946]

LOL.

[@Eddiep80]

Oh whatever guy. I’ve bought plenty of used dirt bikes while living in Colorado that were just fine

[@Dat_Sun]

@@Eddiep80 That's an exception to the rule around here. When we blew the cold out of proportion, used bike prices went sky high and have not come back down. I do live up here in the rockies where prices are even higher though.

[@Dat_Sun]

@@Eddiep80 I just looked again, not one good deal. Unless you want a mx 4 stroke bike, gov bikes are dime a dozen.

[@StevieDee73]

Hey can you make a video on bikes that are in the same generation ? That be such a great idea, and very helpful, even though it was you that came up with the idea 😂

[@jamessullivan9468]

Yes iv had to do a lot to mine paid to much

[@dalepellerin]

People think way too highly of their bikes. In my opinion, I'd rather pay $11K for a new bike than a year or two year old bike for $9K. I think the day a bike hits the dirt it loses 30%. I do think there's a point to where there's a minimum value for a bike (just like a 4x4) where if it's running, it's worth $X. With the price of used bikes skyrocketing, it's almost easier to buy new. I know there's deals out there but I just see way too many high priced bikes.

[@EarthSurferUSA]

"People think way too highly of their bikes. In my opinion, I'd rather pay $11K for a new bike than a year or two year old bike for $9K." We don't understand how crazy that sounds compared to $5K for a big bore 2-stroke before the EPA forced the 4-stroke on the industry. And that 5G was elevated before, by the 1986 production rule. We don't understand that it is that kind of intervention of our industries that has raised the cost of a bike over 3 times what they should be. And we don't even wonder why the market share in the USA used to be at about 15 times larger per capita. I will stick with the 2-stroke YZ250. You can keep that bike pretty much mint for $500.00 year (if you ride 4-5 times a week), and add a few changes. You can keep that bike fresh, (no lack of parts, and more used out there than any bike), for a decade, for half the cost of what you are willing to spend on a new bike. But if you must have electric start,----that will cost you more than it is worth. :)

[@EarthSurferUSA]

The 8.5 grand 2017 Honda (4:30) is probably worth that much more than a "same model" but 7 years older can mean much more wear and tear. With a lot of riding, a 2-stroke crank lasts about 3 seasons, (probably similar for a 4-stroke), and I don't even want to change one of those, let alone deal with all the other 4-stroke working parts. If we go by hours running and see good maintenance, that is different,----"if". Bottom line. If I am going to buy a 7-10 year old bike, I know I am going to dump money into it if I want to make it reliable and performing like new, (or better). I would much rather take my chances with a 10 year old YZ250 2-stroke, (note, I never thought I would consider a bike over 2 years old), and at worst case scenario, assume the cost of a 4-stroke top end rebuild for the next 3 years of riding a perfectly maintained/tuned bike. Looks like getting lazy on a 4-stroke, (both mechanically and riding technique), is costing you guys a lot of money.

[@therealcountrybumpkin]

Give it another year! Or economy is gonna tank and dealers will be dropping prices like crazy!! Let’s go Brandon

[@fabioatwelve]

Brand new yz450 is 9999. I don’t see it bud.

[@dj27nitro]

@@fabioatwelvefacts yz 250 is 9gz crf 250 is 8299

[@mritalianhillbilly]

Market place took over, watch for the guy’s who say, I know what I got!

[@Pedrofs001]

Nice tips amigo!

[@thepokemacs4389]

I dont know if you’ll see this, but i’ve been looking at a KTM 250sx 2 stroke for $3500. Do you think that’s a good deal? ( the bike is in really nice condition)

[@SoCalMisfit712]

Buying used is miserable. Most are 1500-2000 too much. The old 2 strokes are not worth 5000$. I picked up a kx100 that the dude told me the top end was changed every 20 hrs. I got it home and found the power valves were sticking. Top end came off and the piston had more than 20 hrs on it 😂. Had to re jet it it was a bummer. Kid got to see what goes into keeping a bike up but it really sucks buying used. Was looking for a 125 for him since he’s getting too big for the 100. Wound up just buying a new one from chaparral. I’m not paying 3000$ for a 20 year old cr125. These new 2 strokes have the latest and the greatest on them. They are expensive but I know what I’m getting for sure. I also don’t care that you can’t register it. I’m not paying 2000$ more for a bike that has a red sticker.

[@seandp85]

I totally agree with you, I live in the south east USA and that the problem that we have down here, like you said I’ve been looking around all day every day for a yz, cr, kx, or rm 125 or 250 but as you stated I refuse to pay 3k for a bike that 15 to 20 + years old. Like tell these people selling these bike over and over it doesn’t matter what you do a to a 20+ year old bike at the end of the day it’s still a 20+ year old bike, and my state is a no inspection or no title state so I need not to say any more lol 😂

[@78raarons]

Locally, PA area, I'm seeing brand new 2023 125sx's for $6500, from the dealership..

[@robertreyes6613]

Why everyone wastes their time and money on two smokes is insane,man up 4stroke army

[@EarthSurferUSA]

I can ride 4-5 days a week (as I did when younger), and maintain a 2-stroke during the Michigan 3 month winter for an average cost today of about $500.00/year, and come out in spring with a mint, (and usually more modified/changed) bike every year------for a decade or more with that one bike. $5 grand maintenance for 10 years, and the thrill of tuning your bike the way you like it, is so much more enjoyable, then letting the epa force a bike they want you to make and ride at our expense. Buying a EPA forced 4-stroke? You wasted a lot more than money, (freedom actually), and the industry has never been more unhealthy. We really should stop this new communism from taking over our industries that more free people built. Reject it, and go back to a 2-stroke.

[@combatmedic91-b76]

WA state not many used dirt bikes & no 2 strokes! One 2 stroke Gas Gas 2012 ec 250 $3,500 in port orchard WA? Gas Gas?? Thanks for good tips.

[@_CashFlowTy]

So I’ve been looking online like Facebook for a user bike , looking for like a cr85 , xr100 type bike and no one usually has titles , I understand that it’s not like I would be trying to get a tag but how common is not having a title? I guess I could crate a bill of sale but I just feel it would be much better if whoever I’m Buying it from had a title , what do you guys think ? Am I not being realistic

[@victorflores3715]

How many hours is too many hours?

[@shoak4551]

i want to buy a bike and have never drove a dirt bike before im 16 and 5,10 what should i be looking for that is still affordable

[@dirtbiketv1]

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[@rosssmethurst9477]

Jay need some help what best mixture for cr125 2001 in a 5gallon fuel can

[@dirtbiketv1]

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[@peacefuldailychannel8757]

hi sir, im 5’6 height , what dirt bike suit to my height before buying? pls advice sir. many tnx.

[@Yoder52]

What are your thoughts on jd power average retail price?

[@dirtbiketv1]

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[@davidkanalos6710]

Bought 23 kx 450 for 6000 mom took bike away from her son rode down the road thats it never seen dirt .

[@EarthSurferUSA]

When I was a 12 year old kid back in the mid 70's, (an on later), my paretns could ground me, but could not take my bike away and sell it. Why? Because we were able to buy new bikes with our own earned money, and our patents had enough morals to know that is something you earned is taken away, it is steeling. But the best sotry of that I know personally is a friend a few years older than me. He was 8 around 1968 and his mom would not buy him one, (dangerous), and he could not keep up to the older kids on his bicycle, so he put his own together in the garage. His Mother saw him riding it in the yard, (no brakes, string tied on the thumb for a throttle), and morally said to herself, "I can't take it from he. He made it!". Later he raced MX and got into Mt. Bikes, and started a die shop, inventing things along the way for 2 wheeled things. Today, he is a millionaire with a 60,000sq/ft factory he built making motorcycle parts, like all the gas tanks and fenders for Indian Motorcycles., and other customers. Very robotic for production and 35 employees. This is just a recreational industry for us, but tell me, what kind of people are the real hero's of our society? I say it is guys/gals like that guy. And all he was doing was following his dreams with action. I just defined our freedom. :)

[@jeremydoblinger3609]

Everyone says its only got 5 hrs since new top end.. yea rite..the 99 rm 125 my son just got is one of those...its ratted out and were gonna have to rebuild it ofcoarse...all bs from seller always...people are crappy that way.

[@1morbidangel1]

If you don’t know how to work on them do yourself and everyone else a favor and buy a new one or don’t buy one at all!!!

[@motocross6539]

Wait till the crash late this year. Cheap bikes everywhere

[@EarthSurferUSA]

Happy new year! The hard part is figuring out when the economy hits the fan, (if it does. It is very resilient, as it is our lives.). But if it does, a real economic collapse that the USA has never had to endure so far, what makes you think you will have the money to buy and enjoy a less expensive bike?

[@James-pl4dw]

No one ever has the title. Red flag?

[@zachabbott6899]

Not necessarily. If it’s an older bike and mostly been ridden on private or races only you don’t need to register it so people don’t keep track of the titles.

[@Eddiep80]

I could care less about a title. Vin checks out and it isn’t stolen is good enough for me

[@wrenchone5003]

Totally depends on the state you live in

[@seandp85]

@@wrenchone5003 my state SC doesn’t require titles or registration for dirt bikes, but you have to be very careful and run that vin number because it’s very easy to receive stolen goods.

[@stevesmith756]

I’m waiting 6-9 months. Economy should be tanking

[@2StrokeSmoke701]

What do you mean by that are the prices going to drop for dirt bikes ?

[@stevesmith756]

@@2StrokeSmoke701 yes they should. Watch the car market. Everything is so inflated.

[@06springfield]

69😂

[@seandp85]

@@stevesmith756 the car market is already on its knees as we speak. The truck market is insane. I’m with you, I’ll wait it out until the end of the year when some people will giving those bikes away for little to nothing, what kills me is that these people still want those ridiculous Covid 19 prices when supply was short, but now that’s over and done with they still want 3k + for 20+ year old dirt bikes. I can go buy a bike brand new but I just can’t justify paying 9-12k for a dirt bike out of all things.

[@stevesmith756]

Just wait for the recession to start squeezing people. It’s usually the boats MCs and toys that go first. I remember that in 2009. Got good deals back then