Flipping The Old Town Salty PDL - How Stable is it? The TRUTH!

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Flipping The Old Town Salty PDL - How Stable is it? The TRUTH!
How stable is the Old Town Salty PDL? That is the question that I get asked the most lastly. The truth about the Salty PDL is that it is not meant to be the most stable platform, but to be an offshore boat that is made for big swells.
The best thing about the Old Town Salty PDL is that it is the Most affordable Old Town PDL kayak that they have to offer. Truly I thing it is an affordable powerhouse that could be a great fishing kayak. Today we decided to do a Old Town Salty PDL Flip Test! How stable is it? Let's find out the real TRUTH! Old Town does not advertise that this kayak is a very stable platform and that is rightfully so. The old town sportsman salty pdl 120 is probably the least stable of the Old Town Sportsman series, but where it lacks in stability it gains in speed. The Salty PDL is the fast kayak that old town has to offer. I promise you that this kayak will not let you down when it comes to speed. You can get to every fishing spot that you need before anyone else that is on a kayak, it is that FAST! Now, Flipping the Old Town Sportsman Salty PDL was a bit easier that I thought that it would be. But, it is weird.... it recovers very well from almost tipping. So when you think that it is super unstable, maybe its just "lighter on it's feet? All I can tell you... is regardless of how stable the Salty PDL is, it is still a fishing machine and will destroy the offshore swells. So, is the Salty PDL is it worth it? We will find out in future videos to come! If you are interested in the Old Town Sportsman Salty PDL 120 take a closer look HERE: bit.ly/sportsman_chris_canning
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[@CaptChrisCanning]

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[@andrewbeck844]

The Salty is faster not just because they designed it for speed but for ‘secondary stability’, which is what you need for surf, currents and rough water. The fact you got nervous as it leans is part of the design. You naturally corrected. The Topwater’s are for calm, inland waters that emphasize ‘initial stability’ which isn’t good for waves, surf etc.. They feel really stable right up to when they tip. No warning. No chance to correct. A hull for secondary stability is usually going to be faster.

[@truthof7382]

That makes perfect sense

[@josephsaeteurn9158]

when it comes to surf, if it hits you sideways, you are going to flip no matter how stable the kayak is. you dont want to be standing in the ocean anyway so saltwater is better for speed..

[@raptradventures4544]

I've had Ocean Kayak Malibu 2 hulls for twenty years; surf, river, wind, etc. The fact that the Salty hull is modeled after the Mal 2 hull is a big plus in my opinion.

[@salvadorcecilio8713]

The tippy behavior (lack of primary stability) is a characteristic of a v-hull kayak. It will handle better taking on larger waves from the side, as the kayak will lean into waves maintaining an upright position (secondary stability) rather than tilting to the surface of the wave, which does lead to flipping of kayaks. It's better to compare this kayak to the Hobie Revolution, Wilderness Systems Thesher, or Ocean Kayaks. This kayak is designed for big water, windy rougher conditions, boat wakes, surf, and off shore situations. The other Old Town kayaks are designed for calmer waters, rivers, and lakes on calmer days. A better test to illustrate this would be to test this kayak in the ocean with 1 to 2 foot waves.

[@shred5]

the V hull also makes it significantly faster as well.

[@HungNguyen-ee4xi]

Good job, brother. This is one of the most realistic reviews anyone can ask for. Thanks for doing it!

[@osvaldoumana4494]

Dude... as much as I wanted to laugh at the flipping test, I must say it was such an eye opener. I am looking to get into kayak fishing and this video gave me tons of info.... TONS..... thanks a lot!!!! really appreciated...!!!!!

[@larrypitts7237]

Thank you so much for this test!!! As a 70 yo I was concerned with the tipping point and how I can get back in the kayak. ( bought one the other day) Now I can confidently try this myself and not have to wonder about what method to use. Thanks again!

[@CaptChrisCanning]

I got you 💯

[@raptradventures4544]

How do you like your Salty? I am considering that or a BOTE.

[@HHH-nv9xb]

Thank you. How to flip and get back on the kayak is a real important safety information.

[@txmexnittro]

I just got my OT PDL 106 and love that thing!! Thanks for sharing

[@michaelcampbell01985]

I bought the top water pdl120 for my first kayak. I've gotta say it's definitely stable. I'm 6'4 and it has plenty of room to stand and move around. I'm a first timer but I love my Old Town. Customer service is awesome also.

[@mlangfordcamper]

Yes my first turn in my salty was a weird feeling felt like it was going to tip, we just got one a few days ago can't wait to post our findings

[@BJGreaves]

That was very entertaining! Good video! Josh was hilarious laughing at you trying to flip the kayak back over!

[@CaptChrisCanning]

Lmao, that's how it goes. It was fun filming it too

[@jettercool]

It might not be as stable as the other Sportsman but the stability is not bad either. Thank you for this demo. I hope to see more videos on this kayak

[@bigo8192]

Good info. Nice job explaining the stability. 😁😎🤙🏼🐟

[@marcusyoung2870]

Josh's laughter is contagious. I thought you lost your hat for a second there Chris 😂

[@CaptChrisCanning]

Almost lost it! Very contagious, we had a good time

[@sipius22]

It took me about 30 minutes and then i was confident and not even thinking about balance anymore as I moved and adjusted with it......if you turn the rudder and give it a fast 1/4 turn of the foot pedal it will turn in place like the hand of a watch, important for me when fishing lake shore lines, lili pads, reeds, and tight areas....very happy with the salty PDL.....not fancy, just what you need and a little added more.

[@johncampbell1191]

Looks perfect for trolling off the beaches. Need that speed!

[@stevehogan8829]

This was a great video. Thanks. Of importance is how much the pedal drive helped you right the kayak. From a old fat guy point of view, that could be a lifesaver as trying to flip it while swimming is a bit tough if it's a paddle yak.

[@surgeche1664]

Great video, thank you!

[@jorgeoquendo7837]

Thanks Chris. That kayak will never flip unless you do it on purpose. In my opinion, I will choose that Kayak over the Top Water PDL120 for the speed, price, weight, no front hatch (don't need) and looks. There is no perfect kayak. Every kayak has limitations one way or another. You have to compromise one thing to get another. There is always going to be something, on any particular kayak, that you would like to have and it doesn't or that you don't like and it is there. I prefer extreme speed over extreme stability. The more you use it, the more you realize internally your limitations. It becomes second nature.

[@TwoStageTrigger]

I prefer all the extra storage in the front without a hatch. Being able to set coolers and tackle boxes in the front is better than a tiny hole to get water in.

[@xeroblastx]

Honestly i dismissed the salty when i figured out it doesnt have the front hatch but then it hit me “Why do i need a hatch??” Like i never really use it on my topwater but to store stupid crap… Now im sold!

[@cglarsen26]

Sure wish I had watched this prior to tipping my Bigwater PDL today. Next time I'll grab the prop to flip it back over instead of swimming it in to get my feet underneath me. I was most worried about losing my gear - that is for sure! Thanks for the video.

[@rickhiggs4303]

Hey Chrissypoo.. Loved how much that cruel Josh laughed at you getting wet .lol. Nice test and to me it does have a lot of stability problems. But as you use it the more adjusted to it you would become and know where those tipping points are and how to avoid it.. Great video and I'm sure lots of people learned a lot from it . Great job and thanks for sharing with us... Always your friend, fan, and subscriber..

[@TridentDriver]

They aren't problems. They are something you deal with to get speed

[@pamelaklemp5615]

I've seen a bunch of flip tests BUT this one was awesome. It looked real world, like being there in it with you. Slow enough to watch the actions and fast enough to be honest. Bravos! For my needs I bought the 106 double uhaul for slow but stable lakeshore 🎣.

[@CaptChrisCanning]

The uhaul is awesome! I have experiences in both. I think it just depends on what you are doing for what kayak is best for YOU! Thanks for watching my video, this was a blast to film. What brought you here?

[@pamelaklemp5615]

@@CaptChrisCanning I came because I recently bought a new Sportsman 106 (paddle only version) and was seeing how other people flip and re-enter theirs.

[@CaptChrisCanning]

😊 glad to hear you enjoyed the videos Hopefully you’re enjoying you kayak

[@pamelaklemp5615]

@@CaptChrisCanning SERIOUS YES, LOVIN IT.

[@frankceci5538]

Seems very similar to my Ocean Kayak Trident 11 in terms of stability. I can lean to one side and have water come over the gunnels and still not tip. I can stand on mine and use it like a paddle board if want on a calm day, but wouldn't do that with all my gear on board. Can't wait to see more content!

[@manfredstrappen7491]

Was told that the Salty is much more stable than the Trident. Ordered the Salty to replace my Trident for lakes and ocean.

[@frankceci5538]

@@manfredstrappen7491 That is great news.

[@johnryan296]

Nice job, you could probably keep a short line attached to one side and throw it over the hull to pull it back over. It might make it easier to right.

[@raptradventures4544]

Great idea!

[@AliexFolgueira]

Not fair! i wanna see all 15 flips!

[@jettercool]

You need to collaborate with Chris on the stability test. We want to see you walking from stern to bow

[@garydirks8223]

Very informative video. I would rather have stability as a top option for my fishing needs. It looked like you hard to really put effort into flipping so that model looks fairly stable as is.

[@jettercool]

It looks like is more stable than my Vibe Sea Ghost 110 for sure

[@ronseguin7289]

I'm glad I bought the Topwater 120 PDL after watching the tipping Salty PDL alias Malibu PDL.

[@CaptChrisCanning]

To each their own brother, thanks for watching! The Topwater is still a baddddddd boat

[@yhuang9]

Hi Bro, thank you so much. hopefully I don't need to use the skills you give us today. I'd say those are very important and helpful.

[@matthewhamilton1833]

I was considering getting this but I need something I can stand up and throw a cast net from

[@jimmcclead9448]

I’m considering the purchase of a pedal kayak with my primary interest, at least at this point, in exploring the lakes in my area. Might do some fishing. Might do some camping, but speed is primary, therefore my interest in the Salty. I have no experience with pedal kayaks, so I’m seeking your input on what other brands I should consider. I do want to buy American made.

[@davepalmetto]

Good to know

[@Saltyscales]

That was fun lol. Fast and fun! 😎

[@keviny3366]

Nice video, thanks for doing. What propeller are you using on your drive? Thanks

[@dividedbytimestudios]

How are the lock boxes on the drive? If I had my phone and keys in there and flipped over a few times, could you be confident they would remain safe in the box?

[@CaptChrisCanning]

I must say I have NEVER gotten water in mine.

[@Fishin-mission1]

Do u think when added fishing gear weight it helps the stability?

[@CaptChrisCanning]

Ehhhh maybe just a bit! I’ve had it pretty loaded down in the past

[@rdo075]

😆 awesome 👍🏼

[@jessicatyler6387]

OMG that was truly hilarious! I could watch that a few times LOLOLOL

[@odoylerulez1427]

such a sexy vessel!!! Has to be hands down the best kayak on the market. Nice to have Josh's POV as well!

[@stephenholcomb3284]

I love my salty. I am 275 and set the hook, standing up and didn't flip. I am super glad it was the yak I chose

[@anxiousbeachbums]

Appears that if you're reasonably athletic, have a sense of balance and decent reflexes, the Salty would be fine. My biggest concern would be halibut fishing in the SF Bay and getting unexpectedly wacked by a two-foot wave from an oil tanker that passed five minutes earlier a mile away. Staying balanced shouldn't be a problem (and I'm 63 yrs. old). But getting blindsided by the unexpected "could" be an issue..........and that's why I'm considering the PDL 120 vs. the Salty. However, the jury is still out.

[@andrewbeck844]

Anxious Beachbum The Salty has better Secondary Stability, which is what you want for rough or wavy water. It’s designed for stability in rougher conditions than the Topwater or Sportsman which are inland, calm water designs with emphasis on Primary Stability.

[@jelly_fishing]

Really enjoyed the flip. Do you have any tips to ensure that your rods and equipment on the yak don’t fall out?

[@Cermagine]

Leash up or tie down anything you don't want to lose. The bungee at the front and back well should do for your bulkier gear and if you look at the flush mounted rod holders on the old towns they have attachment points for your rods. Rod leashes can be annoying but you aren't going to be flipping out the blue in most kayaks and definitely not this one IMO. Throw them on when you're on the move or coming back through surf/rough water.

[@jelly_fishing]

Fulltime Panda Thanks for the feedback

[@noujaiyang1513]

I had a little good laugh. 👍

[@CaptChrisCanning]

LMAO!

[@davescheer5038]

Josh , if you flip your kayak does it mess up any of the electronics? 🤔 Chris do they make a trolling motor set up that fits in place of the pedal unit ?

[@TheBeze88]

I just ordered the OT Sportsman PDL 106 and can’t wait to put it in the water. Great video and I will definitely avoid doing the tip test.

[@MetalRush666]

It's good to push the limits of it so your more comfortable and confident in the boat. Might want to take it to the pool and practice rentry though 😂🤙🤙

[@JMag1]

I have a predator 13 paddle yak and I live near the Northern California coast where we have big surf and cold water. I have only flipped her once thankfully, but I would always choose stability over speed. You don't want to get in that water and get hypothermia because it doesn't matter how fast you can go, if you never make it home.

[@matthewdeveny27]

Great video!! Since I fish primarily smaller lakes with some boat wake I'll take the speed and $$ of the Salty.

[@FishOnChannel]

great video I always will choose stability we're going fishing not racing 😀

[@CaptChrisCanning]

Haahahaha I like that way of thinking. Puts it into perspective for some

[@jedediyahaaronyisrael7118]

I hardly fish in shallow waters and I sometimes stand to dish so I will never sacrifice stability for ANYTHING, speed included. I don’t want my kayak flipping in 35+ft of the ocean.

[@andyjohnson675]

Good test run , at least your more comfortable with it but I think I would go for more stability I’m a big guy, 6’ 1” 320 lbs lol

[@Theophilus1968]

Haha. Fun vid. Would you fish that thing out in the bay & ocean or would you go for more stability?

[@CaptChrisCanning]

It is suppose to be made for more open water. She does better in roller waves, not chop

[@Victorkayak]

So final thoughts is it worth it or not

[@CaptChrisCanning]

Go watch my other Salty PDL videos :) I actually love the yak

[@MrKelley0222]

That's was awesome!!!

[@CaptChrisCanning]

Thanks for watching!

[@charlesharris6404]

I have a five 1:30 I think it's similar to the to the salty so I think I can handle the stability of the salty so I think I'll be more interested in the speed but I wouldn't turn down either or Old Town has a fine line a personal watercraft

[@keithpurvis5595]

Good Job! Appreciate the video it was very helpful

[@havoc_64]

Pedal vs Motor? I am looking at the Old Town Auto Pilot vs this PDL. How much work is it to pedal this? How about against a current in a creek or river?? any ideas?

[@CaptChrisCanning]

If you have the money go for the AUTOPILOT! It's the best kayak on the market hands down. But it isn't lightweight. not the salty PDL is cake to move around

[@andrewmoe1192]

Thanks for recommending this video too. Very informative.

[@CaptChrisCanning]

Thanks for watching brother 💯

[@shutterfish]

What if you have it fully rigged with rodholders, sonar etc. How do you get in the kayak as easy?

[@CaptChrisCanning]

Well, this is going to be something that is individual. You really should practice in a real-world application

[@jons7677]

Stability for me. Brand new to the kayak fishing, which OT pedal drive is the most stable? How do they compare to the Hobie Angler? I think I'm going to go with Old Town just due to the $$ compared to the Hobie line.

[@CaptChrisCanning]

I would def pick the Old Town over the Hobie... Better bang for the buck! Thanks for watching

[@boognish593]

If you move your center of mass beyond the edge of any kayak then you are going swimming. This one just feels less stable until the secondary starts displacing water because it has a v hull design. The pontoon or W shaped hulls only feel more stable right up until the flip with no warning, which occurs like all kayaks, at the point you shift your center of mass past the edge

[@geeyoupee]

More salty videos as there aren't that many. Why did you decide to get the salty over the sportsmen 106 or 120? For the speed?

[@devilkicln]

For fishing Speed all day. stability can be base on the person..

[@TridentDriver]

Get a revo 13 to compare it to at 29 inches wide instead of 34.

[@RadReelingFishing]

Good job as always. Don't drop you hat in the water where there's a lot of current, ha ha...

[@CaptChrisCanning]

I actually couldn’t find it a couple times 🤦🏻‍♂️🤣

[@edwin6709]

Lol! 🤣 Love this episode

[@TravisDoesKayakFishing]

That is a nice kayak.

[@EdSki4Life]

Can you tow someone with another kayak if they are limited to a “paddle only” kayak?

[@CaptChrisCanning]

Ed Sutherland you definitely could. But you’d be doing all the work 😂 if it’s for your girl though 🤷🏻‍♂️ you get brownie points

[@EdSki4Life]

Lol... lol unfortunately wifey is a fan of fishing only after the catch has been prepared & ready to be served. I was thinking if the person being towed paddled at the same time, it could be way more effective. I’m getting older and paddling is getting old too...lol...

[@rickygarcia5615]

I really didn’t think it would flip that Easy.

[@CaptChrisCanning]

By comparison yes!

[@mountaineer4066]

Would you trust this for surf launches and BTB, really would hate to take a dip in the surf during the fall

[@andrewbeck844]

ThSalty is the Sportsman model Old Town recommends for surf launches, currents and rivers. There’s a difference between Primary Stability like the Topwater PDL and ‘Secondary stability’ in the Salty. Secondary is better for waves and rough water.

[@user-ny2iu2ks8f]

How easy does the 120 flip verses the 136

[@CaptChrisCanning]

What kayaks are we talking about here? There is no 136 other than the Auto Pilot. If we are comparing the two they are both EXTREMELY Stable

[@i2aspire]

Whats up all wet you mean you didn't want to do this test in the tarpon pond. Chris instead of pulling on the drive connect a rope to the handle and loop it over to bottom and pull it over

[@tim03b_48]

That’s how the navy seals flip there dingies.

[@Cermagine]

Stability is a bit overrated IMO! need more videos of people actually fishing and landing fish off the salty.

[@RadReelingFishing]

I feel like stability is the number one concern for any person new to kayak fishing.

[@CaptChrisCanning]

Content takes time to get my man. I’m working on some videos NOW

[@CaptChrisCanning]

I’d second this. Especially in the oct

[@Cermagine]

​@@RadReelingFishing yeah definitely understand it being a concern. No one likes going into the drink when the plan is to fish but most fishing kayaks aren't going to tip unless you push the situations they're designed to be in. Inexperience on the water/in a kayak is another thing though. It's why having days like this is super important for any kayak and I think a lot of people would be surprised at what it takes for some of the kayaks that are considered less stable. Especially while in actual fishing conditions.

[@jackstein5486]

Nice vid! I could accept the stability of that boat if I could only afford those dollars.

[@AliexFolgueira]

Any 🐊🐊 👀👀👀👀

[@CaptChrisCanning]

There’s 1-2 in there. They didn’t bother me obviously

[@2explore1]

Thanks for 'flippin out'

[@2explore1]

This far I owned a Fish Eagle Pontoon, Belly Boat, and now sm 1 man pontoon boat from Costco. That said: I do want a Kayak for faster entry (less set up time) on the water and exit time. And want stability as well, because I'm out fishing and not swimming. Thanks for the pointers Chris.

[@skim4me]

I've got a Big Water 132 and I don't think it's even capable of accidentally flipping..

[@mrguppy1016]

Lol good stuff

[@CaptChrisCanning]

Thanks for watching my man

[@vahallarising0114]

You definitely got a thumbs up from me Chris. I just don't know what to say after watching that video. You just like to put yourself through hell don't you? Like the other comment said joshes evil laugh, I don't know if hes torture you or you're torturing yourself Chris. I got one question which 1 of you is beavis in which 1 you is butt head. Awesome review, But I think I'll stick to my skiff.

[@terryd2634]

You said the salty is the fastest kayak in the Old Town lineup. So how fast is it. Give us a speed test.

[@CaptChrisCanning]

Check out my last video that I posted before this one 👀 I did it there, trust me... it’s FAST

[@terryd2634]

Ok thanks

[@willshaneswearingen]

Whats the point i can tip any kayak if i want to.......ive done it. What anyone wants to know is if in normal conditions chooy, windy comditions etc.....does it just flop over or does it flip because i hade a third of my body dangling over the side.

[@gwddmt1]

*Well Chris... On rough wake and shake water... Inside your head, you might be doing a Jerry Reed-Cletus The Snowman and saying, "East Bound and Down... Hold on to yer Azz Fred ... We're Go'n for a Tide of a Ride" Besides that.. Flipping Yaks is better than Flipp'n smash burgers at an I-75 choke and puke all summer* ..gw

[@shred5]

It doesn't seem like it handled too badly especially considering it was designed more for speed than stability. That said, I would just get the Bigwater it's at least as fast but as someone who is 6'3"/300lbs I was able to get it going 6+ mph, turn the rudder hard to the left and not flip, I just had to hold the seat so I didn't fall out.

[@rickgarcia8481]

I will take the speed any day. Cruising 4 mph. Without breaking a sweat. Sweet... I have to paddle hard to reach 4 mph. And couldn't maintain it more than a minute.

[@windowclean100]

Oh I’m telling Aliex 🤣

[@CaptChrisCanning]

Noooo don't do it! lmao

[@41bigdeer]

Gitrdunn how bout it.. Chrissy poo style. Yes sir 👍

[@ernestlee5280]

Stability, I’m up in age.

[@CaptChrisCanning]

The sportsman 120 might be the way to go for you then, just being honest.

[@eduardomagana5420]

Stability

[@abdrahmanabdullah3113]

Every kayak capsize no mater how stable it is.

[@CaptChrisCanning]

Amen to that

[@Xt1000]

Stability in cold water. Speed in warm water.

[@BrownTrout1238]

This right here is how not to flip a kayak. Climb on top, and pull it towards you.

[@mattmeir9211]

It's hilarious to watch you guys trying to race these pedal drive kayaks.ALL of you miss the point of them they are not race boats,they are designed to be stable and get you from point "A" to point "B" that's it!!

[@CaptChrisCanning]

WE have a lot of fun brother! Thanks for watching! They are absolutely made for comfort and fishing ability , but what guy doesn't like to race hehehe

[@larrypitts7237]

Also if you’re needing to “cover” water the speed is nice. Also handy in current I imagine.

[@IBFISHING813]

i feel like people that make these kind of videos are bias to a certain kayak.