BYD Atto 3 Technology Review

[@jimgraham6722]

Great review. The Atto3 is an outstanding vehicle, in Malta it would be in its element.

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Thanks

[@peteroffpist1621]

Don’t buy from Chinese owned companies like Volvo, Polestar, MG, BYD and so on. China is a dictatorship with no human rights or democracy. Giving them our money will backfire. Just like EU learned from doing business with Putin

[@sydjaguar]

BYD is selling very well in Australia. LFP Blade packs are good.

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Indeed

[@peteroffpist1621]

Don’t buy from Chinese owned companies like Volvo, Polestar, MG, BYD and so on. China is a dictatorship with no human rights or democracy. Giving them our money will backfire. Just like EU learned from doing business with Putin

[@martinwalker9234]

I have my bedroom and living room air cons wired to connect to both the house supply and EV separated with automatic transfer switches. During the day, the living room air con runs on my house supply which is mostly solar, switching to EV supply at 5.30 pm. At 10 pm I turn off the living room air, an ATS switches the living room air con (now on standby) to grid supply and my EV powers the bedroom air con for the rest of the night. Plugging the EV charger in the morning recharges the EV battery from my solar panels. It works well and saves me drawing around 12 kWh per night from the grid. I had to do it this way as the BYD Seal is only rated for 2.3 kW long term and both my air cons are 18000 BTU units rated at 2kW max so I cannot run both from the EV at the same time. In summary I can run an 18000 BTU air con from sunset to sunrise for free....

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Sir, this is pure genius! Love it

[@jimgraham6722]

I have had an Atto for 18 months so far no discernable battery degradation at all. Great vehicle.

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Great to hear :-)

[@philgreen2932]

The battery is great but the atto will be lucky to last its warranty period. RUST

[@jimgraham6722]

@@philgreen2932 No rust do far. Had a good look at underseal seems to be well up to par with jap and Korean models.

[@owenx94]

Seeing your video now and 14:45 made me smile as a year later and again we have powercuts. Great video!

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Indeed!

[@Batman.3.8]

I have a BYD ATTO3 for almost a year now (28000km) and I am more than amazed. Nothing to complaint ❤ Quick question thought, I know the blade battery can last very long but how long can e-motor can last? I hope long and long, because I don't want to sell this car 😊

[@TheFutureisElectric]

It’s great to hear about your first hand experience. The motor is also covered by an 8 year warranty, which is ahead most in the industry. Electric motors are very reliable, what can fail over time may be circuit boards which run them but the electric motors perce not really on a normal lifetime. There is a Tesla running about with an exceptional 2 million km! It’s had 3 motor changes in this time. At the same time, the earliest electric vehicles ever on the road some 100 years ago (now retired in museums), you will find that their original electric motor is still in working order!

[@Batman.3.8]

@@TheFutureisElectric thank you very much for your detailed answer.

[@Reddylion]

👍​@@TheFutureisElectric

[@peteroffpist1621]

Don’t buy from Chinese owned companies like Volvo, Polestar, MG, BYD and so on. China is a dictatorship with no human rights or democracy. Giving them our money will backfire. Just like EU learned from doing business with Putin

[@PatSch16]

Thanks Luke!! Great vid as always. Keep it up my dude!!!

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Thanks

[@dineshmalla3651]

Wonderful review of BYD , EV of the year worldwide.

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Thanks 🙏

[@stevenswann2835]

I'm curious about the battery life based on "cycles". Is a cycle a near-full discharge to (near)full? What about if I top-up my battery at home nightly, adding say 10% from 70 to 80%? Is that a charge cycle?

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Hey, a cycle is a full discharge 0-100%, topping up from 70-80% is 1/10th of a cycle

[@KhalilAmar]

I would say the battery would keep above 75% of the SoC above 15 years. Battery can last 18 to 25 years. And then they can be used as home batteries. A home needs 14 kWh battery. A car has 60 kWh roughly. A car battery can be divided to 3 homes.

[@stevejamieson1245]

Great Vid, I’m looking at this or the new long range MG ZS. Just on your VTL PORTION AND THE FUTURE possibilities. If you pair this with a Powerwall 3, you would be able to use the 11kw powerwall to run your whole house and then use the car to top up the battery (when solar isn’t optimal or at night time). This would give you 70+kw of battery to use in the house!!!

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Ow now that’s a fantastic idea! 💡

[@mishanshrestha9292]

1. First, we need to find out how many times the car will be charged in a year. Since you charge the car once every week, there are 52 weeks in a year, so the car will be charged 52 times a year. 2. Next, we divide the total charge cycles (5000) by the number of times the car is charged in a year (52): 5000 cycles / 52 charges per year ≈ 96.15 years So, the car would last approximately 96.15 years if you charge it once a week. However, this is a theoretical calculation assuming the battery degradation is solely determined by the number of charge cycles. In reality, other factors may influence the lifespan of the car’s battery.

[@TheFutureisElectric]

My workings exactly 👍

[@CharlesLeoYNWA]

Very clear and systematic delivery of the content. Thank you very much! Could I ask what is considered 1 charge cycle?

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Thanks, a charge cycle is a full charging from 0% to 100% and 100% back down to 0%

[@CharlesLeoYNWA]

@@TheFutureisElectric sorry for my ignorance but honestly, I don't really understand whether charging from 30% t0 80% would be considered a charge cycle or not? And if we avoid draining to 0% and then charging up to 100% would we "cheat" the battery out of extra charge cycles? (It is a genuine question, I am really trying to get my head around the concept of charge cycles). Thank you

[@jamescarter9973]

I've seen a few reviews that mention the regen on BYDs but that setting is just for one-pedal-driving. When you put your foot on the "brake" you up the regen. You can see this on the driver display go up to -35kW (should that be down to?) if you have to brake hard. The actual brake pads do much unless you really need to stop in a hurry. The brakes on my BYD feel like a regular car but I'm getting range back.

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Hey, thanks for watching. Correct braking does charge the car, what I am pointing to is the amount of deceleration you get from just letting go of the accelerator pedal when driving with the regen turned to maximum. It’s definitely less than most other EVs out there, and I would say you cant achieve the same one pedal experience as with other cars. This isn’t good or bad, it’s preference, though I wish we are given more options for regen strength.

[@jimgraham6722]

The Atto3 has about -10KW on throttle overrun. Applying the brake, regeneration occurs up to -80KW. Beyond that the mechanical brakes are applied. There is ample regeneration.

[@barry28907]

Thanks for that comment. It's misleading for commentators to confuse "one pedal driving" (how you signal for deceleration) with "regeneration" (how the car decides to provide deceleration, in combination with conventional friction brakes). Tesla is one of the very few manufacturers that do not provide blended braking, which has caused this confusion among those who don't understand the details.

[@brendanoreilly4846]

Excellent review these cars are becoming popular among Dublin taxi drivers,as a taxi driver myself im going to purchase one soon ...ps also hope to visit your beatiful country soon.....

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Thank you, you’re more than welcome to visit malta! You’ll see a lot of BYDs driving around

[@dominozonda]

Wait and buy the 2400 km range BYD It’s going to be amazing for taxi drivers and anyone in general!

[@beeemeet5008]

Many thanks for the video! I saw one other reviewer recommend AC charging over DC charging - do you have any thoughts on this? Also, I heard lower kw charging is healthier for the battery - assuming you have the 20-30 hour window a week you don't drive at all - why wouldn't it be best to use the basic cable?

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Regarding AC vs DC charging, I’ve seen studies and arguments on both sides of the table. However most early studies where based on the Nissan leaf, which lacked any form of battery cooling, meaning during charging the battery used to get very hot, which thus resulted in faster degradation. Nowadays nearly all models have cooling, meaning the battery does not get very hot, neither in the dc charging process. Regarding charging on slower socket, if you have the time no problem. The problem can come if the wiring inside the socket is not up to scratch and maintained, as that is a receipt for over heating in the plug

[@beeemeet5008]

@@TheFutureisElectric Many thanks for the reply!!

[@sachinwatve4414]

If u drive 350km per week which type of charging is better for the battery life? 1. Charge everyday for 6 hours, from wall socket at home, using BYD provided cable from 80% to 100%. 2. Charge once a week from 10% to 100% on Tesla fast charger? 3. Charge at home using 7kw wall charger at home on single phase 2-3 times a week?

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Given the battery is LFP, there is no reason, not to top up everyday. However any of the three you mentioned are fine in reality.

[@Logic807]

Considering that BYD is early in the battery game. They have the best batteries

[@hanumoluvenkateswararao3723]

Very well explained 👍

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Thanks

[@ChrisPavlides]

i wish, atto3 had lets say, 10 more kWh on its capacity. That should be AMAZING because this is the only "question" for me. The ~350km average distance, hmmm, need some more!

[@FlyingGoober]

Thank you for the review. There are two main factors that determine a batteries life = cycles and time. Unfortunately you are running's in the premise that if you never used a battery it would last forever, it wont. Yes the battery can have many cycles (8000+), however it will be down to around 80% after 10 years regardless (remember the 8 year warranty) and pretty much toast at 15 years. Good review though.

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Thanks for your comment, this is an LFP battery, not an NCM, they are offering warranties of 25 years on the same battery chemistry for their grid solutions, I highly doubt it would be 'toast' after 15 years in the case of a car. Time will tell I guess, my family's experience is with NCM EVs (we've got 20 of them!) the oldest is turning 7 years old with no range loss observed till this point in the Maltese use case.

[@FlyingGoober]

Hi, I am fully aware that it is an LFP battery, and I totally get that you and your family are enthusiastic around EV’s and that you want to share that enthusiasm with your videos. However it is absolutely ludicrous to say that this battery’s life span in going to be 100 years. It is also ludicrous to say in your comments that this battery will last 25 years (what happen the missing 75 years???) because BYD offer 25 years on their home/grid solutions that use the same chemistry as the battery in this car. Did you stop to think that although they share the chemistry, they are completely different (cell count/ voltage etc) and typically handle very different charging and load currents and shit man, even BYD aren’t confident of 25 years (let alone 100) otherwise why have only put and 8 year warranty on them? You don’t need to be a chemistry engineer to understand this, just need to use some simple logic and common sense. If you want to grow your audience, then coming out with ludicrous and bombastic statements like this, then it is going to be a tough road you as anyone can tell that what you are saying is just utter rubbish. @@TheFutureisElectric

[@remakeit2628]

Your claims are BS. There is real world experience that proves you do not know what you are talking about. BYD's battery life is determined more by the materials that hold it together than the battery itself. Your comments about what BYD claims are NOT the case. You have confused a SELLERS warranty with real life. Your idiot logic means that because a car warranty is only "x" years, the car will NOT last much longer. This is arrant nonsense as I have a classic car I drive and it is older than me (FJ Holden) and will last another 50 years with care.

[@agusedyanto3324]

​@@FlyingGoober What is stated above is "in theory", so it may or may not be true, so you don't need to overreact, okay

[@patrickfmckinley4072]

😊p​@@TheFutureisElectric

[@remakeit2628]

FYI the BYD's "regen" loses nothing versus a "one pedal" EV as BYD's braking system is fully regen and very little caliper braking ever occurs until you have to emergency brake. BYD's Atto 3s are becoming a hire car company car of choice because its seamless to change from an ICEv to an Atto 3.

[@TheFutureisElectric]

I agree, I discuss this in my driving video which is out on Thursday, however I miss the ‘slowing down feeling’ when lifting off the accelerator

[@remakeit2628]

@@TheFutureisElectric BYD could use an OTA to achieve "one pedal" driving, or just introduce a third option to their present high/low choices on the Atto 3 that would get there. But I think BYD wants - for the time being anyhow - to offer a point of difference to Teslas. Loved your video. I wish BYD added V2G instead of just V2L, as Nissan Leafs had vehicle to grid donkeys years back.

[@gregb1599]

​@remakeit2628 Kia EV are starting to include that, the EV9 is the first to offer V2X

[@chestercastillo2703]

Does the regenerative braking come into play in charge cycles?

[@TheFutureisElectric]

That’s a very valid point, and I’d assume yes. The car is charging the battery at that point in time. Cars recoup around 20% from regen, however keep in mind a charge cycle is a full 0-100%, so partial charging won’t count as a cycle, cumulative smaller charging add up to 1 charge cycle

[@chestercastillo2703]

@@TheFutureisElectric Ok got it. Thank you for replying.

[@grantyale]

Nice review, although one-pedal drive doesn't equal regen. This car triggers regen when you press the brake pedal. There's some debate whether one-pedal drive increase the risk of mistakenly accelerating when you need to brake. Personally, I think one-pedal drive should be implemented such that lifting the accelerator equals fully depressing brake on an ICE car. As for using it as a home battery - unfortunately it only has V2L, not V2H.

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Thanks for your comment

[@agusedyanto3324]

Having a V2L facility is more useful than not having one, because not all EVs have it, except for people who want too much

[@SpaceBound-1]

It needs refinement. Increased charging speeds as well. I don't know when they are going to refresh the model.

[@fiewu34hiuf]

Let's hope soon, since the model is more than 2 years old...

[@ivo4357]

what worries me a little is that 8 in 1 motor. It's nice to save space (although they haven't used that saved space for a frunk). What if 1 of these components fail, let's say the motor management. Will they have to replace the entire block? If so, that will be a massive cost.

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Fair point, I also thought about this. I’m sure the sections are modular and can be individually replaced. There is also an 8 year or 150,000km warranty on the drive unit, which you’re not going to get in many cars anyway…

[@jimgraham6722]

Yep it's just a module. The whole lot comes out and is replaced by a factory rebuild unit. Very good approach as everything is reset to O hours.

[@mahadev.s.vaishnav9287]

can you do speed test

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Speed no, but driving video coming up next

[@dpp186]

RAV4 HYBRID, TESLA MODEL Y OR BYD EXTENDED RANGE !!! NOT TO SURE WHICH TO BUY.

[@ChriseanAdolfoElechrisean]

Why did you multiply 7 days to thee 5000 cycles?

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Since that’s is how long it takes the average driver here in Malta to drive the range the car gives on a full charge, meaning 7*5000 cycles gives how long it takes to reach the batteries expected cycle life, since one cycle is being used every 7 days.

[@alexbob7032]

It is more like 1 million kilometers then 95 years. Assuming 14Kw per 100 km and 3000 recharges.

[@Reddylion]

Nice ev

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Indeed :-)

[@Day-night-9]

If they modify the interior , extend the range , there will be no competition with this car.

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Agreed

[@rockrock3607]

5000 charging cycles / 365 charges per year = 13.6986301369863 year, not 95 years 🤣🤪

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Erm no, you are not correct, that would imply charging the vehicle every single day, 420km on a single charge a day, in Malta the average driver takes 2 weeks to cover 420km, and I assumed charging once per week.

[@gregb1599]

Oh boy this crack pot channel thinks LFP batteries will last 100 years lol what a dreamer! You do realise there is a lot more to the battery than just chemistry, the battery components will wear out far sooner!

[@agusedyanto3324]

Only robots can drive 400 km a day without rest and never get sick, robots also need regular maintenance😂😂😂

[@wongcw08]

1 charging cycle = kWh capacity of the battery.

[@kamehameha22]

@@TheFutureisElectric wrong, I think you are sugar coating it. BYD, themselves clarified efficient performance average 10 years

[@geogetski666]

so are you saying byd is giving lifetime warraty if it could last 95years lol

[@accessoriesforbyd]

We are byd accessories shop, how about cooperate with you?

[@Ostap1974]

Using your formula, any electric car with 1.5k charge cycles should last 1500 * 7 / 52 = 28 years. Not too many cars live longer than that, so using a battery tech that is also not really good at cold climate, is pointless.

[@TheFutureisElectric]

My experience is from having 20 fully electric vehicles in my family, all of which so far have been of the NCM chemistry, the current oldest car is turning 7 years old, it was sold with a WLTP range of 300 km, and still frequently exceeds this range, so yes time will tell, but I believe they are going to last 30 years. Besides the higher cycle count of LFP, there are other critical advantages for why it is used, the number one being cost, it's cheaper.

[@zakariasanousi3718]

Whats 7 and 52 for?

[@FreddyGunawan]

We want strong regeneration

[@EbedTang]

Actually you can just divide it to 52. In case you charge 1 per week.

[@adofoi30]

However NO ONE uses all their battery every day. Double that if they empty it every 2 days since almost no one outside of the U.S. drives over 200 miles a week. It’ll probably last almost a century!

[@deansh8506]

It's very misleading you telling people not to install a 7.2kW(32A) charger in their home because it will overload the electrics of the home. It is standard practice in the UK now to install a smart charger which measures the home loads and can automatically adjust the 7.2kW (32A) supply. Not sure what it is like in Malta but most homes in the UK have a 80/100A main fuse.

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Hey, we only have a 40 amp supply in Malta for each household, unless that household opts for 3 phase (minority). I’ve been contacted countless times by people who installed a 32 amp charger and their home breaker keeps tripping as they start to charge the car. Correct a smart charger will help the situation.

[@you2bedimerda]

I was watching this video and kept saying, this guy sounds Maltese, weird... 😅

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Haha 🤣

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Iwa Malti ;-)

[@you2bedimerda]

Any idea if the smart #3 is coming to Malta soon? Incentives for EV are very tempting and I'm thinking to change car by the end of the year. I'm a bit undecided if I should be waiting for the new Smart which I hope will come in a similar price range or if I should go for the BYD A3 which is already available. Not many options EV options that can compete with this BYD other than the ones from MG maybe.

[@hklheman]

5000 cycle : 365 = 13.6 years or if you drive 25,000 km/year, the life span battery will give you 340,000 km

[@VYM]

A few basic moments from my personal experience: 1. I have BMW E46 325i year 2004 in my cars collection. So one day I saw a new Atto 3 on the road driving aggressively fast, overtaking other cars. Well, let's try to race, bro. First try he followed me. After 100kmh Atto 3 lost all power and just disappeared in my rear view mirror after I got to 160kmh. Second try he caught up with me aggressively sitting on my back, I let him overtake me and then I followed him. The result was exactly the same - after 100kmh I'm just driving away. 2. We had very popular news here a few months ago. Atto 3 hit some obstacle with the front right corner of his fancy blade battery. Verdict - need to replace the whole battery. Price was equal to the price of the new car. The insurance company did it for him, but then the poor guy was blacklisted due to an insane insurance payment. 3. After the battery warranty is finished you can just burn your EV because nobody on this planet will buy a second hand EV with a semi dead battery. 4. Real range with fully charged battery in a hot country where I live is not over 250-300km.

[@btfofffice]

Hired ob recently and would I buy it Answer No. Did not like the Nao. Prefer Google Maps, driving felt like ice skating. no sense of torque. , The main issue is charging, I live in the VBD and there is no overnight charging. The other concern I have is what will the resale value be in 19, 15 years,. I am looking forward to self-drive options. My next hire will be a Tesla to compare

[@dantebg100]

Bro is dreaming 😂😂

[@alexbob7032]

Wrong maths

[@niceboy60]

A bit misleading technically batteries might last 100 years however the same can't be said for the car frame, E motors nor the Remote Switch Off, minicab reached 120, 000 miles in 1 year he had 190 miles range in the morning someone from Tesla could have pressed a switch car went from 190 to 34 miles Tesla in hours service Center was 33 miles away, 😳 🤔 he end up paying close to 10k plus was give a refurbished battery with only 12 months warranty, for £10.000 would a company press a switch to maximise profits or its a conspiracy 🤔 companies would never try to get more money from you 🤑💰

[@TheFutureisElectric]

I never said the rest of the car would also last a 100 years, I’m just running the numbers on the battery :-)

[@markmd9]

Since when you believe Chinese numbers written on paper.

[@kamehameha22]

I think his math is wrong

[@TheFutureisElectric]

What’s wrong? …

[@victorking10281987]

how battrry can last for 100 years , are you working for BYD ? what a nonsense 😮

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Did you watch the part where I explain?

[@tark2464]

Your calculations are wrong. In the rest of the world. But must have special mathematics there.

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Please explain where I am wrong…

[@lesklower7281]

Your maths was wrong another comenter worked it out 28 years which is pretty good well l own a 26 year old Toyota Hilux and it will last easily another 26 years and with a little maintenance the battery may last 28 years time but will the rest of the car Chinese built vehicles are not famous for there build quality thus includes there ICE vehicles also and BYD have there rust issues in Australia also LDVs and another thing in China BYDs have caught fire regularly l have seen a lot of footage of this happening when they are recharging l have put thousands of litres of petrol in all of the 16 vehicles l have owned and diesel trucks l have driven also BYD have big plans for Australia lots of dealers they are going to take on Toyota in Australia were in Australia they are the largest selling brand in Australia although we do have EVs in Australia and when ever l see an EV l count the number if Toyota's l went for a drive today saw l Tesla to 115 Toyota's l saw and don't forget Toyota have the car if the future the Hybrid and they are used as taxis in Australia

[@TheFutureisElectric]

I don’t understand what is wrong with the math… it comes to 95 years to use up 5000 cycles if you’re charging once a week. Regarding rush ect, they are offering 12 years warranty on the body work. Reliability of the rest of the components we will have to see over time, but yes I think the battery is going to definitely outlast the car

[@lesklower7281]

@@TheFutureisElectric May l bring up a point that all Chinese built vehicles are not of the best build quality and it has been brought to my attention that BYDs are having rust issues were as my 26 year old Toyota Hilux has no rust issues at all has never been knocked back on its yearly registration inspection but once these BYDs are 5 years old they will have to have yearly registration inspection and the inspectirs will be warned about BYDs rust issues and they will fail also LDVs are prone to rusting well known Chinese build quality doesn't exist

[@torrhthc4103]

The catch is in the word byd, u trust chinese companies? How they prove that 5000cycles? Chinese and indian companies might not hv much integrity and words are cheap

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Time will tell…

[@Thecaptainblackadder]

You have no idea what u you oh are talking. Only thing you are right about what you said is - words are cheap - as you prove.

[@MrBesmir7]

Easy just charging.. drop unchanging when charging the second battery and second battery drop charging first battery.....it's chain test save energy 5000 cycle will finish 24/4=6 cycle per day or 5 for easy calculations 5000/5= 1000day near 3 years .. but are software that show tendency of charging over 100.200 300. Cycle. So need to be done all 5000 cycles tests

[@lsg9264]

BS, such old technology already outdated long ago!!

[@TheFutureisElectric]

Thanks for your constructive comment… care to explain further?

[@holycreation]

@@TheFutureisElectricfollowing