Why You Shouldn't "Side Grade" Your PC

[@alexone-420]

You just set on fire all the "just benchmarking" communities , all the "6 cores is all you need " and all the "ryzen 5 5600x outperforms the i9 10900k " with straight facts. That's the tech deals I love

[@MartGameFails]

Of gaming is all you need and don't have an actual cpu an ryzen 5 5600x WILL outperform an i9 9900k especially for the money, "upgrading" from a 9900k to a 5600x is just stupid. Noatter the benchmarks.

[@Peep18m]

agreed, problem i see now is everyone goes off benchmarks. when in reality a benchmark isnt even reality. who plays on a test bench w nothing else going on? not anyone that i can think of thats for sure. im new so i was going off benchmarks not knowing test circumstances. now i use that in conjunction w other tests. not the end all be all. i also like how these guys use more realistic test computers instead of 8-10k test bench that 99% of people do not own. i got sick of all the ridiculous setups doing tests.

[@Forkyouu]

@@MartGameFails how about an i78700k to the 5600x? Because thats the upgrade path i went with instead of the 9900k due to the ryzen being newer.

[@jahluu6825]

@@Forkyouu same cores and threads, and only a increase in ghz, bad choice I woulda went for 8c 16t from there

[@Forkyouu]

@@jahluu6825 but why would I need more cores and threads when it wouldn’t help with overall gaming performance

[@cahoutcharles961]

Tech "Let's Take a Walk" Deals

[@Bensjammin69]

Whilst I get your point, and it's a point well made, I've done this exact "sidegrade" on my pc (except on B450 rather than x470) and I can absolutely say I don't regret it. There's something you haven't touched on and that's power draw and heat. The 2700x is like a square piece of lava and although the Wraith Prism can keep it under max temps, the entire system heats up significantly. You could say "upgrade the cooler to an aio or something" but I prefer air cooling as I had a bad leaky experience with a Corsair Hydro in the past and the 5600x stays significantly cooler. It can have a decent overclock under the Prism and the whole system being significantly cooler on the whole means my 5700xt boosts about 100mhz higher due to temps. Also noise is significantly reduced too. I'm not saying this is a great upgrade for everyone. The 5600x is expensive. But for me, I only game. I don't stream, Spotify or any of that other stuff during gaming. Just play. And my 5600x does that better than my 2700x did.

[@JaytheJaskonian]

I had $350 to buy a new CPU back in November. I had a 3600 and planned on upgrading to whatever 8 core Zen 3 cpu they released. On the day they revealed the Zen 3 processors and I realized that the only thing I would be able to afford is a 5600x, I turned around and bought a 3900x off of eBay

[@miniweeddeerz1820]

👍

[@sebastiengauge2995]

I made the exact same move :-) Tired of waiting for a BIOS update, and the availbility of the 5600x at a raisonnable price. 3900x is a nice upgrade over my 3600, it has twice the core count and offers a significant clock improvement (4.1 => 4.4Ghz). I feel like going to the 5600x would be sort of a downgrade, now...

[@totalbummerdude]

​@@sebastiengauge2995 I upgraded about a week ago from my 3900x and I was able to overclock my R5 5600 to 4.75ghz at 1.3v... it absolutely crushes my 3900x in gaming... I'm honestly surprised at how dramatic the difference is. I'm running it with a 3080 and 32GB 3200mhz cl16 RAM.

[@sebastiengauge2995]

@@totalbummerdude there's no doubt the higher IPC of the 5600x gives it a clear edge in some gaming situation (high FPS). But in a GPU bound situation like mine (2070 SUPER in 1440p Ultra Wide @ 100Hz), I'm more after 1% low FPS, and in this situation, the 3900x shines.

[@8bitsamurai6]

Yea I think a 3900x for close to the same price is a much better buy. No one should really buy 5000 unless you got extra money to burn. With the prices of 3000 just hard to pass.

[@Kraven83]

5:29 "the use-case is benchmarking" Yup, very elegantly said.

[@rangersmith4652]

I agree fully. If you go by benchmarks exclusively, you'll be misled. They are a good starting point, but remember, reviewer benchmarks are derived from perfectly tuned PCs that do nothing but benchmarking. That's not the real world.

[@aviroblox6624]

And if you ignore benchmarks, you can end up believing stuff that has no evidence or basis to back it up. Benchmarks can really be anything, all it means is to measure and "benchmark" performance in an objective way. "Smoothness" can be objectively measured by frame time graphs. "Lag/Latency" can be measured by high refresh rate cameras. "Performance" can be measured by average and 1% frame rates. Everything relevant to the experience using a PC for gaming can be benchmarked. For example, If you want to measure how a 6 core CPU handles multi-tasking with Gaming, run a control test without any background tasks and test again with a set amount of background tests, and run the same test for an 8 core or a 12 core. This has already been done on youtube and there isn't much of any difference at all.

[@danielchan4699]

the look on her face at 5:33 because he completely mis-understood (or ignored) what she was saying hahaa i love your channel you guys have such great dynamics.

[@DarkRei7]

Some people are rabid about IPC increases and 5-6 fps increases in games

[@jonathanoxlade4252]

Cpus are slowly becoming gpu limited since look lol 8k 30fps on a 3090 why do I feel that 8 cores 6 cores he'll you could run fucking quad core at that point when does the resolution make cpus obsolete when the cpu is bairly doing fuck all whats spending £1000on a cpu gonna fucking do I may be having a angry rant I bet at 1080p the cpu is easily pushing 40fps and 3090 is booting it to over 200fps lol yet at 8k around 60fps maybe 10fps but then it's like what's the point when your cpu is only giving what it can give its pointless going up in more cores he'll it may push your 6 core more in battlefield since you have 6 cores with there finger up there fucking ass being lazy lol

[@jankees4037]

@@jonathanoxlade4252 For gaming a 10700k or 5600X is quite enough at 4K or 1440p.

[@mikem9536]

@@jankees4037 Yes, as you go up in resolution, you actually don't need as strong of CPU as you do at say 1080p.

[@ushinkou8569]

The sad reality with the tip, "Get a Ryzen 9 with more cores", is that today. They're all out of stock and extremely hard to find. Where as a 5600 and a 5800 are readily available. At least in my location/situation.

[@ghjong001]

I got a 5600X with the intention of selling it at a slight loss and buying a 5900X once it's available. Someday. That is still a major upgrade from my i7-920.

[@wolfshanze5980]

Sometimes there's a reason why a product is in stock... nobody wants to buy it.

[@Errol246]

@@wolfshanze5980 Woof. That is certainly not the case for the 5600x in my country. All Zen 3 CPUs are sold out, including the 5600x.

[@williamfrederickiii1683]

Bought 3 5800x because I needed 3 new machines and those were the Ryzen CPUs I could find. Would have bought Ryzen 9 but not for over $200 above MSRP prices and on ebay. Very happy with performance so far, no overheating issues as described elsewhere. Again what most YT tech people are missing is that their ideas about appropriate prices are divorced from market prices and availability.

[@jackandeson6302]

You can always go intel

[@AdriNox777]

Love the benchmarks bash. A true benchmark should be a game running with an OBS window, KZbin, Twitch, and Discord running in the background. Oh, and Windows has an update for you.

[@2FICGamingHD]

I have been searching for a tech channel that goes into detail with many different use cases for examples when explain PC building and parts and everything associated with pc tech….. you have got a new Sub

[@scannerz1986]

Feel like I just upgraded my 3800x, just by using an aio cooler. Unnecessary I know, but the wraith prism cooler kept speeding up and slowing down, the chip stays at a solid 4.4 - 4.5ghz now, doesn't keep dropping to 3.9ghz every 5 seconds. That's enough for me.

[@jamesondeschain2654]

@Jack S - Last month I had to replace my youngest's R7 3700x in the PC I'd built for his CAD engineering college classes after the AIO pump failed (He panicked and jerked both the CPU and the AIO pump off his mobo, so LOLwarranty.) Scored an R7 3800x on a flash sale for less than a new 3700x BUT grabbed a Noctua NH-D15S for this time around. If necessary I can always put a second fan on it, plus it has a wider range of co-component flexibility than the vanilla NH-D15 does. (Tho they are both roughly the same size as a semi truck, just FYI.) Based on everything I've found this cooler performs equal or greater to most off the shelf AIOs, even with only the one fan. Noctua is known for their extremely quiet fans, even under load. - tl;dr - Same boat but discovered inexpensive mechanical cooling system with amazeballs feedback after catastrophic AIO failure.

[@jamesondeschain2654]

[To clarify, when he jerked the AIO mount and CPU off his mobo in a panic he also busted a pin off the CPU. Tore off the contact pad and chip layers in the process. RIP 3700x.]

[@scannerz1986]

@@jamesondeschain2654 ouch! Must admit I was a bit worried about getting one, always had air coolers, maybe I'll look into it. Everyone says the noctua ones are really good, just don't like the beige and red.

[@apoconkbm]

Let me make it clear for all. Buy 5600x if all you want to do is gaming and some times livestreaming else if you want to mostly do rendering work buy a high core count cpu

[@tmkongen]

Mmmm I dunno really, got the 5800x myself for like 400 bucks. Coming fromt he 3600xt gaming at 1440p on a RTX2080 I saw the 3600xt bottleneck in certain areas in CP2077. 8 cores just seem more futureproof for me.

[@apoconkbm]

@@tmkongen if that was a case why didn't you bought a 10900k it has 2 more cores

[@tmkongen]

@@apoconkbm I'm already on B550 man lol.. Besides the 10900k is like 600 bucks here and the 5800x is just as good anyway. The 10900k cost the same as 5900x so wouldn't go Intel anyway.

[@umairchang]

Everyone was showering praises on 3300x when it launched it scored better than 3600 in gaming benchmarks but on cyberpunk 2077 even 2600 outperformed that chip. For now 6 cores may be enough but 8 cores is the future

[@MotionXE]

even streaming would be better on an 8 core Zen2 chip than a 6 core Zen3 chip....

[@Muslimman570]

The look of tech when rogue said he will go from 8 cores to 6 cores 😂😂

[@nikyclau3966]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@joshanderson4658]

You're a savior, I placed an order on a 5600x the other day to replace my 2700x and kept telling myself despite the fps gains in games I wasn't gaining much more and losing 2 cores. I just cancelled my order in the middle of watching this vid. Going for a 5900x when it becomes more readily available.

[@kuma-bw1we]

ya why would u want to take 2 step forward and 1 step back? getting 5600x would loose you 2 cores, I mean even xbox and ps5 have 8 cores now, and people are still trying to buy 6 core cpu in 2020!?

[@joshanderson4658]

@@kuma-bw1we exactly, will also be just throwing more cash down the drain which is not the brightest idea to atm.

[@YourSkyliner]

I'm missing objective tests on this, Tech. All we have is your subjective experience, which is fine I guess, since you're working with these parts all the time. But still I'm having a hard time correlating this to my experience of everyday usage. Maybe I'm just not attentive enough to notice a difference. But I'm sure there would be some way to objectively show the better user experience you claim to get with say a 2700x vs a 5600x. Frame time plot comparisons for sure. Maybe there is also a way to measure responsiveness, like time in seconds it takes to switch 10 times between fullscreen and windowed or something. Or measure install/file transfer duration with versus without a game running in the background. I'd love see something like that on your channel. Like, you keep claiming that FPS benchmarks are not everything, and I agree to some extent, but maybe there is actually a way to also objectively benchmark the user experience part of it.

[@AdriNox777]

Probably running a benchmark involving multiple common processes running like Windows Updater, a browser, Discord, a game, and maybe a file transfer. Probably already exists.

[@jankees4037]

I have had a 2700X, and it is a good allrounder, but the 4000mhz all core is not very fast. Then a 5600X with loads better IPC and 4700mhz all core outdoes the 2700X on most fronts. Maybe in a few all core loads the 2700X wins, but the rest of the medals goes to the 5600X. Response in everything will be better too as it´s more modern. Little maths. 8x4000 makes 32000mhz total performance. 6x4700x1.15x1.19 (IPC improvement from 3000 and 5000 series) makes 38500mhz total performance. So getting a 5600X will render and convert video faster than a 2700X.

[@YourSkyliner]

@@jankees4037 I agree, even in blender or cinebench a 5600x will outperform a 2700x. 3700x vs 5600x might be a more fair comparison. Edit: Since they also go for the same price. I‘m pretty sure Tech would recommend getting the 3700x if they are the same price.

[@rpospeedwagon]

Upgrading my 2700x to a 3800x on sale was a huge upgrade. I'm convinced my 2700x was the worst 2700x in the silicon lottery. Of course it originally came on a prebuilt.

[@jasonmay1978]

ANYTIME you get a NEW cpu i recommend upgrading the mobo at the same time. The reason is simple. Its when the new cpu comes out they have a lot of features the old cpu's dont have and to be able to take advantage of them you have to have the new mobo thats designed to handle them. For example tdp, ddr support, faster pcie, etc. And please dont fall into the super expensive mobo racket. For around 250$ you can get a sick mobo that will be able to 128gb or ram and be able to handle any cpu you throw at it with ease. Unless youre a professional that runs quad sli for development or making movies for pixar you dont need a 600+$ mobo. And I recommend a minimum of 8 core for cpu. Games dont currently take advantage of more than 8 cores yet, but they will soon. And the more cores help if like me you run windows media player or youtube while playing games, or if you plan on doing any streaming the more cores and threads the better.

[@mate0821]

the current market prices for the Zen 3 cpus here in Hungary: -5600x: ~425 USD -5800x: ~545 USD -5900x: ~780 USD -5950x: ~1125 USD imma just wait it out with my r7 2700

[@itsludacris721]

Same here bud

[@ancalagon1919]

broooo in my country I can get the 5600x for 255 USD today 21/01/2021.

[@itsludacris721]

@@ancalagon1919 how that’s crazy lol

[@2ndplaceagain648]

I made a side grade with my build, don't regret it,but admittedly it was more impulsive than I would have liked

[@RafitoOoO]

Tech Deals: Don't side grade your PC Me after side grading my PC: oh no!

[@BenL0nd0n]

Watching nearly every video on this channel, I feel like I'm being beaten over the head with the same repetitive message over and over: 6 cores aren't enough, 32 GB RAM isn't enough. Just to be clear: I'm one of very few lucky sons of b*itches in the world, who were able to build a dream gaming PC in December 2020 and got their hands on a Nvidia 3080, Ryzen 5 5600X and top grade 32 GB G.Skill RAM. And not even above MSRP, for a bit over 2 grand all in. Hell, my Corsair RM1000i PSU is now sold out here until April 2021 or so. I lucked out beyond imagination! I have played over 110 hours of Cyberpunk on near-max settings and it's been bloody amazing! You guys are living on a different planet right now.

[@JB-ys5bf]

Did this from the 1700X to the 3600. Realised it was a bad idea when I could no-longer stream the games I wanted to on the 3600 that the 1700X had no problems with. Single threaded, it was an upgrade, any multitasking I wanted to do was much more difficult. Recently got a 5900X so I don't have to upgrade for a long time and I believe it will be worth it in the long run

[@PhillipLemmon]

The beginning of the vid.... "8 core to 6 core. BAD idea?" Tech deals: "It depends"

[@chenzhuozhu700]

I like my 2700x and 5700xt combo. Though I did put a crosshair 7 hero motherboard and an 850 watt PSU in the machine. Gonna upgrade in one or two years XD.

[@MartGameFails]

Just get a freesync monitor if you don't have one it will make your pc way smoother hence you won't need an upgrade in 2 to 3 years

[@chenzhuozhu700]

@@MartGameFails True. I have an Asus 1080p 144hz monitor, but I don't think it has G/F sync... Maybe I should just "upgrade" that part lol

[@MartGameFails]

@@chenzhuozhu700 it doesn't have freesync? Look it up

[@chenzhuozhu700]

@@MartGameFails No, it doesn't... Its newer model does... But I can easily sell it and get a freesync enabled one.

[@MartGameFails]

@@chenzhuozhu700 do that and trust me you won't feel "low" fps unless your pc can't output more than 48fps and by that point and upgrade will be necessary in 2 or 3 years!

[@UnitedHornet]

Exactly the video I needed. So I'm keeping my 2700x with my x470 gaming plus. Thanks alongside it a 3070 cause right now I have a 1060 and I'm gonna get a 3070 when possible.

[@UnitedHornet]

@@ruxandy yeah, Im gonna keep my 2700x cause I've lately been doing video editing and the 2700x has similar performance to a 3600, so I'd prefer slightly slower performance with 8 cores and 16 threads to do what I've been doing lately

[@tomcanty8856]

What resolution do you play games at btw? Just wondering as it might even help cement your decision/decisions.

[@UnitedHornet]

@@tomcanty8856 I play on a 165hz 1080p monitor.

[@darkwolf1739]

@@UnitedHornet I know this is a 3080 but a 3070 isn't like its half the performance, really if you're playing games at 1080p a 2700x isn't great and will bottleneck pretty hard even with the highest settings at 1080p

[@UnitedHornet]

@@darkwolf1739 yeah I might go with a 3060ti or 3070 but if I go with a 3070 I'm gonna upgrade the cpu later

[@Guckkasten85]

Just ordered a ryzen 5 3600 for 160usd. With a b550 motherboard, and 16gb dd4 ram (next month it will be 32). Upgrade from my i7 920i @3.99ghz. Hope civ 6 and cyberpunk will be happy ^^

[@butifarras]

Used?

[@YecrozGaming]

Dayuuum well done :)

[@Guckkasten85]

@@butifarras not used. I live in south korea. The market here is very different than us market because many play games in pc cafe's (not while corona) but because of that often stuff of the same generation is sold out quickly and 50~100 bucks more expensive than in the us but the last generation gets cheaper quickly. Ryzen 5600x is here 420usd now. Rtx 3060ti is 900usd rtx3070 is 800usd right. Prices change all 12 hours ㅠㅠ

[@Guckkasten85]

@@butifarras also cannot buy used because (lucky me) gets every year some money which i only can use for gaming or gaming related education (work in a korean video game company) by my company. So i need a receipt.

[@butifarras]

@@Guckkasten85 So Korea has good prices lol. Not all hope is lost

[@CBCuster]

I see it all as a trade off... I got the r5 3600 and with that money saved for forgoing a higher end CPU, I'll buy a muuuuuch better GPU than I otherwise would especially since my goal is 4k resolution. Rather have an r5 3600 paired with an rtx 3080 than have a r9 5900 with a 3060ti

[@mbrj3idi830]

Exactly. The higher the resolution the less of cpu effects. Depends on what/how you are using your pc will determine what major factor you should seek for.

[@zosamy4567]

I upgraded my strix x-470-f motherboard 2 year old bios to support zen 3 and now it runs like a dream . Think I’ll hold off upgrading until the 5900x supply debacle calms down . Hopefully 6 months

[@lynnmckenney1987]

*me, going from a 2600k to a 5600x" "Is this what it's like trading a civic for an evo?" Either way, I'm planning on this new cpu lasting at least as long as my 2600k has while playing aaa games in 3440x1440. So, 8-9 years. To be honest, my cpu is just NOW becoming a limiting factor with overclocking, so oc'ing the 5600x a few years into using it will help me extend its usable life as well.

[@Ondrarix]

I just went from R5 3600, 16Gigs RAM to R9 5900X 32Gigs Ram. It´s Marvelous upgrade, truly worth the money..

[@FinnLovesFP]

I remember having this conversation with my dad not long ago, when I got my 3800X and 1080 Ti. I could go to a 2080 Super. Around same performance, and I'd get RTX features, but at a cost of Vram. Once you go high end, there's no goin back unless there's no choice, ex. Your GPU gives out. and similar with CPU like you said here, if you have a 2700x and go to a 5600x, it'll be a faster CPU, but at the cost of losing cores and possibly stability for games that like having more cores, especially if you're a multi-tasker that has chrome tabs and videos on a 2nd monitor while playing GTA, or Doom Eternal, or in my case, playing Cyberpunk. It's definitely more notable in the CPU area, that once you go to a higher tier CPU, you're best bet is to stay with that tier or climb. I was on a Ryzen 7 1700, then went to a 3800x. while a 5600x may be faster than my cpu, i'd have potentially less stability while playing a game while watching videos, or god forbid I video edit, or use FL Studio while gaming. Morale of the story, Once you climb to the higher tiers, it's best to stay in that range.

[@MrEricmopar]

The 5800X is about $30 too expensive, but I have one and am thrilled with it. 15055 average multicore on Cinabench R23 and it's running stock. The BIOS is all stock except for the case fan curves and it learned it's got a good Noctua NH-U14S cooler and runs up to 4.95ghz on lightly threaded apps and programs. Again, I haven't OC'd it. My only complaint was the price was a bit high, but I did get it for the list of $449 at Micro Center, and it's still cheaper than the 16 core part. If I had bought a 16 core R9 I would have needed a new cooler to go with it and there is even more money down the tubes. I have plenty of cores for me into the future, and kept my trusty Noctua. When I first built the new rig a few weeks ago and started to decompress driver files for install, I thought something was wrong at first, because the 5800x was decompressing so fast, the little windows just popped up for a second then vanished. I thought there was an error and the operation was cancelled. LOL My i7-7000k never in the best of times expanded compressed folders that fast and ran just as warm on the same cooler, with only 4 cores instead of 8.

[@BonanzaPilot]

I built my 3700x system 4 months ago with the intention of putting in the 5000 series chip in it when I could get my hands on one. I run nearly 4k res though so even with a 3080, I am GPU bound in almost all situations. AND the prices of the 5000 chips were too much. When I can get a 5800x (or 5700x?) for about $330, I'll make the swap. edit: you mention exactly this at the end!

[@cahoutcharles961]

Probably not until zen 4. The 5700x will likely be 399$, the 5600 will likely be 239$

[@cahoutcharles961]

at 240$, the 5600 will not be a great value

[@BonanzaPilot]

@@cahoutcharles961 they will be competing with similar performance cpu's soon. When that happens and availability normalizes, we will see price cuts.

[@cahoutcharles961]

@@BonanzaPilot you think amd will cut prices when people buy AMD no matter what? AMD is selling a 6 core, 12 thread cpu for 300$ in 2021 and people are lapping it up, calling it the best value ever. AMD has the mindshare now when it comes to most PC gamers, and as such they don't need to cut prices. People now see them as the premium brand.

[@miniweeddeerz1820]

Stick with your CPU until Am5.

[@F.A.--]

currently I have a 3600x, and after watching like 20 of your videos, and by the time I upgrade I'm going to get something with 10 or more cores.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi62]

Do you still have your 3600x?

[@F.A.--]

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi62 yes, I do

[@MrSiloterio]

While I do get the sentiment in considering "real life" usage of doing other things besides playing the game, I find it self-defeating to assume that ALL gamers do other things while gaming in real life. I for one NEVER do other things while gaming, and even if I did, it's just KZbin on my other monitor. I upgraded from a 2700 to a 5600x and the difference in my experience is so drastic that I can now play single-core demanding games without bottlenecking my GPU. I cannot comprehend how one would think GTA IV, Crysis, Watch Dogs 2, Kingdom Come Deliverance, Far Cry 5, Call of Duty, and Ghost Recon Wildlands running on a 2700 with drops below 60 FPS is something "smoother". On my 5600x, all of those games and then some are fully maxing out my GPU usage which allows me to hit my 144hz refresh rate. And even if I watch KZbin while playing a game, the framerate stays the same. So I really don't get the "8-cores are far more smoother". Maybe if you run all your applications at once. But is that really indicative of all gamers? I think we should be particular of every consumer's behavior instead of presuming how they behave before giving out prescriptions.

[@ByteSizeTech]

You haven’t tried a 5800x or 5900x…. You should do that before assuming that 5600x is amazing. :)

[@MrSiloterio]

@@ByteSizeTech that just assumes that my perception of value between a 2700 and the 5600x is comparable to the difference between a 5600x and the 5800x. And that also does not take into account that 5800x is priced higher, and would necessitate a higher power supply. Therefore, this supposed "smoothness" of the 5800x, which is unquantifiable and borderline placebo, must justify the added cost over the 5600x while considering my own use case scenario where I just focus on a game without anything in the background.

[@mauzz]

you put the finger in an open wound! I really can’t explain smoothness when someone asks me what is that I’m talking about, its so hard to explain because is something you feel, its like driving a premium car against a budget even though you are running both at 80 mph comfort and easy driving like a good walk in the park.

[@Omizuke]

Something about benchmarks is that they will show how good the game run. When its JUST the game running. But if you are like me, and many other people, you end up with lot of stuff running in the background sometimes parallel. Like a browser, that no matter which you use they are all so hungry now. There are chance many game will be affected by this. Specially on responsiveness. Higher fps doesn't always mean smoother gameplay. Oh look, you point that out. And thanks for mentioning the texture thing. Even for games that don't have those texture pack natively. Many of us mod the games and the one thing we worry the most when modding is GPU. Specially since some of them eat away at the VRAM. And texture is among the first thing we improve when modding for visuals. And very few people take into consideration CPUs when modding.

[@3Black.1Red]

"use case is benchmarking, not gaming" so true. charts are not real life/in practice performance. you need headroom, especially in core-counts

[@xXHairRazorXx]

I am using a x470 Asus Crosshair VII Hero, with a 3900x at the moment. There is Bios which is ( #4007 which I am currently using at the moment, which at one point was beta, it is now an official release ) There is a new beta bios out # 4102, Which added AGESA V2 PI 1.1.9.0. I can currently ( if I can find it ) upgrade to a 5900x and the board will run it. Now in my case I don't think it would be needed to upgrade to a x570 board just for PCI-e 4.0. The CPU support that is lost on this board as of bios 4007 seems to be a few first gen CPUs which I have zero intention of using anyway. I suppose I am saying that if you have a premium x470 board like the Crosshair VII, you don't need to upgrade boards, that would be a waste of money if the board can support it and run just fine. I would consider upgrading to x570 if I could find the Dark Hero ( fan less chipset ALL the way. ) Otherwise I think a top of the line x470 is just fine for Zen 3. Skip AM5 for the first gen, let prices drop and bugs be worked out. This setup above will hold you for some years if anyone has something similar.

[@Mriceman604]

Upgraded all my components to the latest. What a huge jump in performance from 2600 going to 5600x w 3070FE from 980ti. ..... Performance is amazinggggggg

[@abigailsy7607]

I'll be honest I have upgraded my 1700 to 3600x i noticed the difference yeah 3600x has better fps but 1700 is smoother i wasted my money for nothing techdeals exposed all tech youtubers channel benchmark

[@tayyabhameed9559]

More fps but not more smoother?,would you like to explain what u r trying to get at?.

[@tayyabhameed9559]

@@ugamez0 yea I was scrolling down nd was reading cmnts at that time 🤣,then he got to tht point,now I kinda understand

[@pocpc1788]

@@tayyabhameed9559 high fps doesn't mean smooth if it's not consistent, that's why minimum fps matters.

[@erutherford]

@@pocpc1788 That's one reason that I like sites that show interframe timing charts so you can see if you get "stutters" or similar. Average .. or even 1% low is meaningless to me. What I want to know is what kind of stutters might I see which can show up on those graphs if it's over a long enough time.

[@Shoddragon]

@@tayyabhameed9559 A big part of smoothness is frametimes. A CPU that has higher IPC and clockspeeds but less overall threads might get you higher FPS but frametimes might be erratic, leading to a choppy experience. It's why older I7's pretty much always outperform newer i5's overall.

[@JaZoN_XD]

I actually would disagree that 2700X -> 5600X is a sidegrade. Multithreaded performance is faster overall on 5600X, heck I can get an undervolted overclock on 5600X that increases performance even more. Sure, you can say that these are "only benchmarks" but the reality is that if we wait a year or more for most popular games to start really taking advantage of 8 cores and more, do you really think 2700X's per core performance which help make up it's overall all-core performance will be enough to overcome the 5600X when considering for all the additional game engine overhead etc.? In other words, another way to approach is that will 5600X's 12 threads not be enough to be well utilized in more multithreaded games in the future? I would argue it would be perfectly fine and even better compared to 2700X given that "benchmarks" today show that 5600X performs better overall in both multithreaded and single-threaded workloads. My friend upgraded from a 2700 to a 5600X, instant 25% to 50% FPS gain on Warzone (relatively recent game) with his same GPU (GTX 1070, 1080p). When I was running that 2700 in my system, I was constantly frustrated that my GPU was always bottlenecked. It would run at only about 50 to 60& utilization because the 2700 was pegging it. On top of this you of course get the benefit of better power and thermals. My 2 cents :)

[@mikem9536]

Well the 2700 is quite a bit slower than the 2700x.

[@lukesanders2827]

The 5600x has a higher multi core score than the 2700x in cinebench r23 despite lacking 2 cores. Does that matter?

[@jankees4037]

Yes, that is you being objective while the YT is subjective on the matter.

[@codyl1992]

I agree with you almost all the time. Sometimes someone might have over-bought previously, so their next upgrade they dont have to go with the same tier product, but otherwise you are exactly right for the average tech enthusiast. I have made the mistake of side-grading a few times and regretted it.

[@DylanCStubbs3]

I think this has helped me with my decisions. I've been debating since July/August of 2020 of upgrading my wife and I's computers from a Ryzen 5 2600 to either a Ryzen 5 5600x(Maybe non x if it gets released) or a Ryzen 7 3700x. I helped some friends who built there systems off the Ryzen 7 3700x and wow I noticed a huge difference in start up, loading, benchmarks, gaming, etc. It felt like going from a v6 to a v8 in a vehicle tbh. The only issue is if I go with getting the Ryzen 5 5600x/Possible 5600 is my wife's motherboard may not be supported and if that's the case then the Ryzen 7 3700x would be our best bet. I'm hoping it drops down to $270sh price and I'll be gobling that up in an instant. Now deciding on what graphics card to get... 3060, 3060ti or maybe the 3070, 3070ti or go over board and get the 3080, 3080ti if either of them will become available... maybe switch to AMDs RX 6800, 6800XT...

[@jjoncm1]

Would have gotten a 5900X but too hard to get right now, i went with a 5800X from my 10600K (10600K replaced a ryzen 1600 in my MRS. computer)

[@Chibling]

10600k was not enough?

[@jjoncm1]

@@Chibling The 1600 was starting to show its age in my wife’s PC so I just upgraded her to mine and got myself a 8 core. The 10600k was fine for normal usage and gaming.

[@Chibling]

@@jjoncm1 That's so sweet and romantic and equally as nerdy.

[@evers6214]

Wow. I like how you think about this stuff but I like even more how you are not afraid to say “ thats a stupid idea” when you KNOW it’s going to trigger at least a portion of your audience :D

[@laurikuusisto5580]

I have been going with a rule that I only upgrade my parts when I'm able to get about double the performance compared to my existing parts. So far I've done GTX 750ti + FX 6350 -> GTX 970 + FX 8370 (yeah I know that CPU was a stupid upgrade but I was kinda new to this stuff) -> GTX 1080 + 8600K -> RTX 3080 + R9 5900X. I know I've also been climbing the price ladder but it's always been within what I can afford. And the real rule is that I'm only willing to pay 10€ per 1% average performance gain. That's been working pretty fine for me and it's always nicer to gain huge difference in gameplay and usability than to gain a measly few fps in some random benchmark. But of course everyone does what suits them the best.

[@imo098765]

3700X to 5600X nah thats a waste, 2700X to 5600X is a noticeable increase. Yes yes, cores count but the user experience even on a 5600X is the same but games perform better especially the lows is more consistent

[@Grena567]

3700x to 5600x is noticeable as well for fps in games

[@rangersmith4652]

Maybe, but it depends on the GPU involved.

[@grandparamsayy5068]

Actually the 5600x actually beats the 2700x in multi core performance. More count dont always mean that they are better in multicore

[@imo098765]

@le tree It depends really what you want, for me at around $300 for a 5600X isnt worth the upgrade but to someone else it is. If it was a 5600 non X closer to 230 then grab it while its hot, assuming it can boost or OC close to 5600X

[@butifarras]

It's way better. I've heard someone said that he went from 3700x to 5600x and said that it feels More responsive, probably pure placebo, same as techdeals lol

[@Conga48]

My next system I'm buying intel. I bought a 1st gen ryzen 7 1700 and an expensive x370. I had the intention of keeping the board and upgrading CPUs, but zen 3 doesn't support my board that I was told would be upgradable.

[@crazyahhkmed]

Same here. I went with the 10850k.

[@mbrj3idi830]

But your motherboard supports 3000s AMD cpu.. Right? Why would you build a new system while you can only upgrade your cpu.. 3000s AMD 8 cores or above gonna last for +3 years I believe.

[@mbrj3idi830]

@@crazyahhkmed can't you install a 12 cores AMD 3000s cpu on your motherboard?.. I think will make more sense than buying a whole new 10th intel system.

[@Conga48]

@@mbrj3idi830 while you are correct, I remember at the launch of ryzen, when it was said that your 1st gen, 300 series motherboard would last you the entire way through. I bought into this platform with unstable memory, incompatibility issues, and lower clock speeds. I waited and saved my money when I was 14 to afford this. Now I'm being told that this platform that I bought into will not fulfil one of the promises it made. I would rather shill out enough for a xeon platinum server than spend another penny on ryzen. At least intel tells you that rocket lake will have a new chipset. I value honesty in a company more than performance. That's why I preferred 1st gen ryzen to kaby lake. That was and saying, "intel is ripping you off, look at what we are capable of, and what they are." Now they did not meet their pitch. Maybe am5 will be different, but I will upgrade before then, and it will not be with amd.

[@mbrj3idi830]

@@Conga48 Yeah, with Intel you really have a peace of mind from compatability issues. And was weird decision from AMD to not support 300s while it using same socket (I believe some other technical factors were the limits). I mean even if they supported zen3 on 300s it won't get all of its power. And to be fair I remember AMD said they will support 300s to 2020, but they didn't specified if up to or through it, and that was their mistake by letting people have expectations and they didn't clear it out at that time. Anyway going to intel 10th gen I think it's not a wise decision, it will be as more as a side grade. As they don't support pcie 4.0 as I know. Going to intel 11th gen would be a worthy one from amd 300s.

[@shadowthegreat4304]

I wouldn't call it a side grade, you get slightly better multicore performance and over 30% per core performance so much faster fps in games for example whether that's worth $300 is the question.

[@MrDean421]

I have a 5600x and have to disagree with you on experience gaming is smooth games launch quick no issues what so ever I don't get your hate of them I understand you saying they won't last for years I agree 2 years and you will have to upgrade but for now for gaming it's fine not a expensive and can be sold to upgrade when new chips come out

[@miniweeddeerz1820]

He doesn't have an issue with the CPU he has an issue with the price.

[@Shoddragon]

the problem is that $300 for a 6 core CPU is kinda poopy. You can often find a 3700x for cheaper, it's actually available all the time AND will be better for multi-tasking. Try playing a AAA, CPU intensive game on a 5600x and streaming and you'll find yourself struggling very quickly. On a 3700x or 9900k, those extra two cores make streaming a breeze, even on AAA games.

[@MrDean421]

@@Shoddragon thing is if you don't stream and just game the 5600x for now is better in games

[@Shoddragon]

@@MrDean421 yes but that is why it's a sidegrade and not an upgrade.

[@MrDean421]

@@Shoddragon but for just gaming a upgrade and especially from a 2700x and if you're running a powerful gpu

[@nosee8466]

what about a new build instead??? would you go for a r7 5800x or a r9 3900x?

[@matthewsmith2385]

Depends

[@nosee8466]

@@matthewsmith2385 on what?

[@madgodzilla12465]

3900x. 5800x is really expensive for what it is, 10700k is a better value until if and when they make a 5700x.

[@miniweeddeerz1820]

I would buy the i9 10850k rather than either

[@matthewsmith2385]

@@nosee8466 use cases

[@dabj9546]

But is that really a downgrade in multicore performance?

[@rangersmith4652]

Swapping a 2700X, a really good CPU with plenty of multitasking headroom, for a 5600X, a faster CPU with fewer cores and threads, is probably not wise. Add the fact that the 5600X is unavailable, and a bad idea gets worse. The 5600X performs better in gaming at 1080p, but at any higher resolution nearly every PC in most games is GPU limited anyway, so a 2700X is more than fine.

[@MrDean421]

That is not the case at 1440p 4k yes but 1440p can still be quite cpu heavy

[@robertp457]

I just checked GamersNexus review of the 5600x and in nearly every case the 5600x beat the 2700x by a large margin. In only one test, blender, did the 2700 x bean the 5600x, but it was by 3.5%. The 5600x beat the 2700x in gaming by up to 40%.

[@rangersmith4652]

@@robertp457 Sure it's better. But is it $300 better, and that itself hinges on whether you could even find a 5600X at MSRP. And again, to Tech's point, you're talking benchmarks.

[@pocpc1788]

@@rangersmith4652 if people want a 6c12t cpu so bad, why not buy a 8700k when it launched for $350, much better for it's time IMO.

[@josipbakovic6501]

I swapped my 2700X with 5600X and it destroys 2700X in everything like total destruction both games and editing.

[@ridefast0]

Strange, my wife never says 'correct' when I tell her those type of things.

[@printicewhite]

I am rocking a 1700, and had the idea of building a new machine around a 5600x, but then I realized that I can't find a gpu that would actually be fully utilized with a 5600x, plus I value eye candy over frame rate. My gpu will always be taxed more than my cpu. I like oversampling to 1440p on my 1080p monitor, and at 1440p the gpu is almost always the bottleneck on any cpu.

[@shuvool1]

Not to be a wet blanket, but the reason there's double the on-chip cache for the 5900X and 5950X isn't to make it "better than the 5600X and 5800X", it's because the 5600X and 5800X use a single chiplet to hold all the cores while the 5900X and 5950X use 2 chiplets with half the number of total cores each. The L3 cache is doubled out of necessity because each chiplet needs a cache to pull from and using the same cache for separate chiplets is less efficient, as seen in Zen, Zen+, and Zen 2. You're not "getting more cache with the higher end processor" per se, you're getting double the cache because the processor would have markedly higher latencies compared to the single chiplet versions if it didn't have it. I'd like to see some real comparisons of load times, frame rate consistency, and task switching between a 5800X and a 5900X, because I bet they'd be negligible, especially since overclocking capabilities between the two are pretty close, so it's only when you get a benefit from more than 8 cores or 16 threads that the 5900X would pull ahead of the 5800X.

[@corysmaze6190]

In English please🙏

[@shuvool1]

@@corysmaze6190 CPUs have this really expensive and comparatively (to the stuff you stick into your motherboard) small amount of memory called cache. It's measured in megabytes rather than gigabytes and doesn't exceed double digit megabyte amounts in mainstream processors. For example, the 5600X has 35 MB of total cache and the 5800X has 36 MB of total cache compared to the 5900X with 70 MB and the 5950X with 72 MB. If you were to take the cover off the CPU and look at the silicon dies underneath, the actual chips, you'd find that the 5600X and 5800X have an IO die (where the infinity fabric and memory controller live) and a chiplet with cores on it, 6 for the 5600X and 8 for the 5800X. There would also be a spot that looks like a second chiplet would fit perfectly. If you took the cover off a 5900X or a 5950X you'd see a second chiplet in that spot, everything else would look identical. That second chiplet has the same number of cores as the first, and for all intents and purposes is identical to the first, so you could essentially say a 5900X is 2 5600X chiplets on one CPU substrate and a 5950X is 2 5800X chiplets on one CPU substrate (the substrate is the green circuit board stuff). If the cache is on the chiplet where it gets used by the cores on that chiplet, and you add a second one, you're not only going to double the number of cores, you're going to double the amount of cache because it's on the die (the silicon) as well. The cache from one chiplet doesn't directly get used by the cores on a different chiplet, that would be inefficient, and is more or less how Zen 2 and prior Ryzen processors worked. That's not to say a process might not take an instruction from cache, feed it into a core, take that output, put it into the cache of another core and process the next step of the instruction there, that's different and also is beyond the scope of this because at this point we get into how a CPU executes instruction sets and that has a lot of variables. The TLDR version of all this is yes a 5900X has double the cache of a 5600X and a 5950X has double the cache of a 5800X. It needs to because it would run terribly if it didn't, compared to the 5600X and 5800X. The cache is used directly by the cores and the 5900X has double the cores of the 5600X, with half the cores on a second die called a chiplet. Exact same scenario for the 5950X and 5800X just with the cores in groups of 8 instead of 6.

[@corysmaze6190]

@@shuvool1 thanks for your time and effort this is more understandable and really educational

[@sakkidis]

Does the 2 year architecture improvement from ZEN+ to ZEN3 make up for 2 less cores? I mean, on CR20 , A 5600X scores high on both single and mult core performance than an 2700X. Also it is way more power Effiecient, so OC the 5600X to match an 2700X stock consumption is even better.

[@kennethd4958]

Yeah this wouldn’t be a side grade like they’re saying. 5600x kills a 2700x.

[@miniweeddeerz1820]

Well the thing is he said 2 steps up 1 step down. So it's still a step up and an upgrade.

[@TriWaZe]

Yes but no reason this dude couldnt just wait and save up a little more and make the right choice. Cheapos pay twice and they will most likely regret their purchase soon after. This is why all these things depend. Hes just telling people how to make the smartest choices.

[@kennethd4958]

@@miniweeddeerz1820 True. I agree if you need more cores then this would be a side grade but he just wants to game so I think he’d be ok. But I buy new cpu and GPU’s every year so I try not to go crazy with price.

[@faithful2008]

@@kennethd4958 I bet at the end of this year or in january 2022 we will talk about Ryzen 6600x with +25 IPC impruvement who would beat 5900x in games like the 5600x beat right now the 3900x:D, not to mention that would be on the new socket AM5 motherboard with pcie5 and DDR5, so i don't see the point now why you sould spend 250 $ more now for 5900x if you anyway next year you would have to change the motheboard to new tehnology DDR5 Pcie5 and new CPU +25 % impruvement? just to sell 5900x at half of the price next year? i mean if you need more multicore production or streaming just buy an 3700X/3900X and if you just want gaming browseing just buy an 5600x right now for your old B450/B550 and don't buy X570 +5900x? why cause anyway next year it will be new socket AM5 DDR5 Pcie5 and new +25 % IPC Ryzen 6600x/6800x/6900x? - Not to mention i see some bech where if you pair 5900x with rx 6900xt/ rtx 3090 you have + 50 FPS at 1080p vs 5600x + same rx 6900xt/ rtx 3090 so looks like is worth that plus + 50 FPS at 1080p ; - But then i see some bench where if you pair 5900x only with rtx 3080/rx6800xt it's has ony +10 +15 FPS at 1080p vs 5600x + same rtx 3080/rx6800xt, and at 1440p it,s has only +10 FPS vs 5600x + same rtx 3080/rx6800xt, and that king sax 250 $ more for +10+15 FPS more ? - Not to mention at 4K you will get same FPS with any of 3600x/5600x/5900x cause anyway you will be bottleneck by gpu at 4k even with by rtx 3090 at 4K.

[@Grena567]

I disagree here. The 5600x is faster multicore and insanely faster single core. There will be no point in time where the 2 extra cores make up for the lack of speed for gaming

[@nicolasyang7457]

3900x competes with 5800x and loses to 5900x.

[@Lahoje]

Also 2700x only supports up to 2933mhz RAM speed (3200 OC)

[@butifarras]

@@Lahoje i was running 3800mhz stable on my 2600x

[@technologu]

well said, and you should have started your vid with it: "in 2 years Intel will come forward with 16 core consumer chip while AMD will have 20 cores. YOU GO NOW FOR 6? "

[@poseidon5003]

I put a Ryzen 5 3600 in my March 2020 build and mated it to a RX5700. I thought I would be good at 2k for years. LOL But I also built it to upgrade. Now I'm thinking of getting a 12 core because that seems like the proper plan for future proofing the thing. Replace the vid card when I can't play at 2k anymore, which may be coming soon. Thanks for the info Tech.

[@Zaptosis]

You see, I just continue running an FX-8350 cause it suits my needs & I have no reason to upgrade. So long as this CPU does the job, I will continue to use it. It's 8 years old right now, I'll probably get another 5 years out of it being realistic.

[@unclej3910]

That's fine if you are like under 40 yrs. old. I'm not playing the waiting game any more. Not at my age.

[@mikem9536]

Except that CPU is a glorified quad core... any newer 6 core will wipe the floor with that FX chip.

[@Phynellius]

2700x is a nice enough processor, but if all you're doing is gaming the new 6 core could be quite an enticing upgrade. I mean, I went from a 3900x to a 5800x, but I have a second pc with a 3950x so I didn't need 2 multi-core monsters. The memory latency issues on Zen 2 and before had a noticeable performance impact on certain game engines, which the single 8 core ccx 5800x alleviated substantially. The new 6900xt pairs nicely with the new 8 core, wanted to get the most out of that card. Also, in regards to the 5600x vs everything before it, yes it does have better gaming performance... if you remember to kill your background tasks. 6 cores are the new 4 cores, they're good enough for gaming for now

[@erutherford]

The problem is not "side-grading". The problem is that an "upgrade" needs to be a worthwhile upgrade and a lot of people do upgrades that don't re-energize their gaming system. Most people with 2-3 year old systems would likely want to upgrade GPU first and then get a big enough CPU to match that GPU & resolution. If it matters I'm opting for the Ryzen 5900X and hoping that it lasts a good long time ... unlikely but hoping :)

[@TopHatCat1989]

I upgraded from a 2400G to a 3600, I usually just upgrade my PC's parts one component at a time since my goal is the best bang for the buck I can get. The 3600 will probably last a good year or two before I build a new computer and relegate my 3600 build to serve as a home media server/htpc.

[@NoLuv4Hoz]

One important question I didn’t hear asked is what gpu the person has or is planning to get and what resolution they play at. This helps determine if the 5600x will be faster at gaming at all vs. the 2700X. For example, at 4k ultra, there would be almost no difference and at 3440x1440p little difference.

[@mbrj3idi830]

Exactly. And in gaming the person should start think to upgrade GPU, if the specified gpu will be bottlenecked, then upgrade other things.

[@Fhjfhhcgihhj]

Went from a 2700x to a 5950x and Im noticing such a better user experience and smoothness not just in fps but just in general multitasking

[@hunter4229]

Wanted to upgrade from 3900X to 5950X but couldn't justify the price so I went with the 5900X. I was able to sell my 3900X for $460 effectively only losing $40 for the year I used it.

[@aspecreviews]

Side-grading for EFFICIENCY - valid? I currently have an RX 580 and 2600X. Both were efficient when new, but I've been looking at the R5 5600X and RX 5600. Planning to exploit the IPC improvements so I can underclock even more aggressively while keeping about the same performance.

[@mikem9536]

Just gotta ask yourself, how long is it going to take to recover the cost of the 5600x via power savings...

[@non-fungibletoken5075]

The word you were thinking about is degrading but I truly agree with yalls concept. If your going to upgrade you might as well do an all-out when the time is right.

[@princekermit0]

going from a 4 core AMD APU on a hp laptop, to a R5 5600x .... 299.00 for a cpu was a great deal. My game of choice is WoW... which will run on a potato.

[@harishvijayakumar6491]

she acts a lot like holly from the office hahaha

[@pedromartins4847]

Omg so true

[@bezziekleta9180]

Hi. I'm not sure if this is the place to ask questions, But I currently have Xeon x3440 4core 8 thread CPU overclocked to 3.5 GHz. With 8GB of ram, gtx750ti. (ya pretty old) Planning to build my next PC and I have about 1 year to save up. My expected savings should be around 2000 USD. Would you recommend getting the latest gen of that time (2022-2023), or get the last-gen ( which is the current-gen ) This applies to CPU, GPU, Mobo, ram, etc. Thanks!

[@user-td6ws6sp6p]

not going to do anything dangerous; but if I dont get a 30 series card...I'm literally going to start a new platform and make The Donald...CEO

[@1StanTheMan1]

Went from a 5 1600x to a 3600, changed GPU to 2070 from a 1050ti. That was 6 months ago. It’s fine for gaming, best upgrade(s) I’ve made. AB-350n MB. Ryzen 9 and new MB planned for a @ 1 year out, or so depending upon prices.

[@dag1704]

Considering all of this, what are your thoughts on the 11 series Intels? As far as I remember, they said, it will come with maximum 8 cores. Do we maybe have a situation where it makes more sense future wise, buying the 10 core I9 10900 over the 8 core I9 11900?

[@crazyahhkmed]

I would get the i9 10850k over the 11900. The main benefit of rocketlake over comet lake imo is PCIe 4 support, but it's also a drop in for many z490 boards. However alderlake and probably zen 4 will support PCIe 5, making PCie 4 short live and the whole PCIe 4 vs 3 irrelevant.

[@dag1704]

@@crazyahhkmed single thread performance for me is very important, for example, I play a lot of Supreme Commander, a I think ten years old game, without multithreading, that can bring even modern day CPUs to their knees, because it uses only one core. So that puts me a bit in favor of the rocket lake cpus. But that they give Rocket lake only 10 cores is really odd and puts me off a bit. How futureproof is rocket lake? I mean it is still Skylake architecture. As far as we know, the new 12th gen gets a new architecture and socket also, so upgrading then is not really an option, unless I want to throw the MB out with the CPU. And that really is a bit to much money and time. Yeah I guess I wait, what the tests say and look a bit closer at the bench. Lets see what it delivers.

[@SaintInix]

Still love my 2700x, got it on Ebay just before things got crazy for like $200.

[@9axxh]

Its almost like this situation, r3 3300x which is faster than r5 3600 but that chip is 4 cores, r5 3600 is 6cores

[@allanlansdowne340]

Ryzen 2 in Australia are still selling for normal price and in some stores they are selling for AUD900

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Good video. My current set-up is the following ; MB = Asus ROG STRIX X470-F Gaming - CPU = R7 2700x - Ram = 32 gb of ddr4 @ 3k mhz - GPU = Gigabyte RX Vega 64 OC 8 gb - Cpu Cooler = Deep Cool Captain 240 rgb aio - Storage = 1 tb Samsung 970 evo - PSU = SeaSonic Prime 650w fm 80+ Titanium - Case = Thermal Take Commander G42 - Logitech KB Mouse for games F710 Wireless Gamepad runs very well and more then meets my needs at the moment.

[@abtahirahman6580]

pls make a video on 5600x vs 3700x

[@warrenpuckett4203]

370/470? Some have problems with 3000 series. Most Crosshair VI will, BUT mine was one of those that would kinda sorta work. It struggled with booting a 3800X. So much had to take the side off and boot from the buttons on the board in a specific sequence. Once it got into win 10 it would run for days, but at default setting only. It also ran noticeably better and faster without using any benchmarking. Yep did not need it to see the difference. The NVMe function was the same but what it did with windows that was just better. But a 5000? Nope again some of the same boards do it. There is an issue in one of the controller chips on the Crosshair VI board. Some were made with them and some were not. But there is no way of identifying which ones do not comply. Solution: Put the 1600 back in and live with 3.850 Mhz daily driver speed with the 3200 speed RAM. Get a X570 or B550 that meets the same specs as a the Crosshair VI. But note the Crosshair VIII exceeds the Crosshair VI. Got a Asrock Steel Legend X570. It is fine with a 3800X and the same 3200 speed RAM. Oh and if you want a quieter system and don't care about LED lighting get a Mugen 5 rev B. Do not expect much in the OC department. But you will have a cooler running CPU. Plus a stable temperature no matter what CPU torture test you try on it.. The 3800x has an INTERNAL 140 watt limit. I would bet this also is a feature with the 5800x. Save the included 3800X cooler for a 65 watt HTPC build. The 1600 compared to the 3800X. Like comparing a 2021 4 cylinder Mustang to a 2021 GT Mustang. Hint: The GT will will do sustained wheel stands and the 4 banger won't. The first time the doing that in a GT had me trying to look out over the handle bars. The lead hinted I should not do that with test cars any more.

[@SussyBaka-em9rq]

Just went from a I5-4670K with idk what motherboard and I just got a Ryzen 5 3600X and an Asus TUF X570-Plus

[@jamiej619]

I’m rocking a similar build to the guy with the question, 2700x with a x470 strix. Would you put a 3900x on it today? Or worth doing a rebuild with a 5900x and new board for AAA gaming/ multitasking

[@mbrj3idi830]

If you talk about gaming, first thing you should think about is gpu. You should ask: Will the gpu I want be bottlenecked in my current system? If no, why would you upgrade it. For multitasking I believe 2700 is capable to do it.

[@K_eM]

I got a 2700x on a B450 motherboard with an RTX 3060 Ti and a 1440p monitor and it's totally sufficient for my current triple A gaming. Next upgrade will be prolly 12 cores and RTX 4000 in two years or so.

[@rpospeedwagon]

Go 3090 and 4K/160hz LG 27GN950 *today.* You won't regret it.

[@rpospeedwagon]

@Professor Waffle you will love it. Don't forget to download the RGB software and connect the USB as well as the DP. Lastly, the OC mode allows up to 160hz in case you want that as well.

[@rpospeedwagon]

@Professor Waffle The software is "LG UltraGear Control Center." There are one or two other programs for the LG monitor, so I wanted to be sure you knew which one to get. You are lucky to get one now. When I first got my monitor in November, the software did not work, and when the screen went into sleep mode, you literally had to unplug and replug the monitor. Not joking. They finally patched the flaw, thankfully.

[@alaw6163]

but i thought we only need a single core processor, closing all programs before opening a primary program, and waiting for the computer to switching to things

[@Bdot888]

I could have easily went from my 3600x to a 5600x. But i knew it wouldn’t satisfy me in the long run so I went with a 5700x. The extra cores were well needed!

[@thaNZdon]

So many more questions that need answering here. Whats he doing on his rig? What resolution is he running? What ram speed does he have? What gpu is it paired with?

[@Amaterasu108]

hmm i hoped to have seen this video sooner.. So a question. I had a ryzen 7 1700x and upgraded recently to a ryzen 5 5600x.. was that a good decision though?

[@kemicallx]

I disagree, I had the 2700X with a 2070. I upgraded the GPU to a 3070 and a 240 Hz monitor and my game couldn't reach that frame count. It wasn't until I upgraded to the 5600x that I saw a major improvement. I would highly recommend anyone looking to do the upgrade to do it. You need to look and see that for gaming, single core speed is what matters. That's why the CPUs with the highest single core speeds have the highest demand on the market. You will not see a difference missing those extra cores. I game of and stream on the same platform, dual monitor setup. Mind you, if that guy has the money, I'd recommend just getting a Ryzen 5900x (that's my next CPU)

[@Tom-101]

So I'm building my first PC and I'm currently thinking either 3600, 3700x or 5600x. 5600x I heard good things about but its out of stock and seems very expensive. I kind of wanted 8 cores so am currently thinking of 3700x and then when GPUs are back in stock either a 3060ti or a 3070.

[@pocpc1788]

5600x is great for gaming, but $300 6c12t in 2020-2021? Rather pull the trigger on $299 9900k at Microcenter.

[@aviroblox6624]

Honestly, that doesn't make sense. Core counts aren't going to change the total multi-core performance of the processor. Even if you assume that every game will become like Cinebench and leverage multi-core cpu's perfectly at 100% each core the 9900k would only just barely edge out the 5600x by maybe 10% (The multi core score of a i9 9900k is only 10% higher than the 5600X). Of course, that ridiculous scenario will never happen because games aren't Cinebench and unevenly utilize cores, relying more on single core performance. So you're trading cheaper motherboards, PCIE 4.0, AM4, power efficiency (cheaper cooler), and a real upgrade path for what? The chance that you might get 10% better performance in the far future when 32 core CPU's exist and using an 8 core on a game is akin to running Cinebench (Where you'd need to upgrade anyways)? People always talk about a "smoother" experience with background apps running but that would only be true if Windows 10 had no proper task priority and scheduling. In reality, fullscreen games will take priority and something like discord or steam will be negligible in terms of performance degradation. Keep in mind for streaming, the i9 9900k will only be max 10% better, you'd still need something better. If you get too blinded by core counts over everything you might end up like those people who bought into "8 core" FX CPU's over far better performing 4 core Haswell/Skylake chips.

[@pocpc1788]

@@aviroblox6624 as of now it's impossible to find or get Ryzen 5000 series in stock and for MSRP, so I'll leave it at that. Not a fanboy, I have both Intel and AMD cpu.

[@xar_spentz6195]

hey so my brother gave me a pre built pc it is the omen obelisk and i have the intel i7-8700k i wanted to ask what is the best cpu that my motherboard can support

[@tobyzieglerrr]

I don't disagree here completely - but it depends ;-) LOL you know. I think this side grade should really be considered wisely because what do you expect and what is the estimated gain here... i actually did a kind of a side grade from 7700k to 10600k. I just wanted to get some better multi core performance and at least keep the single core perf. Since i wanted to go to z490 platform, i am ok with it. It is kind of a intermediate step before going 11th gen intel 10 core or something. Mostly the side grading is not recommended... and always never a good cost to performance ratio comes with it. But i do not agree that 5600X or 10600k are not viable CPU options - especially the 10600k is available and at a reasonable price.

[@miniweeddeerz1820]

That's not a sidegrade. The 10600k has better binned skylake cores so they'll run faster, hence they'll be better cores and due to the IHS improvements they'll be cooler per core, you have more cache and you have +50 percent cores. That's a full upgrade.

[@dend1]

So don't upgrade 10900k to whatever the new Intel chip is?

[@Blaquegold]

No at this point you have a good cpu if you can I think you should wait for 12th gen. As good as 11th gen sounds I will hold on to my 9900k to at least 12th gen.

[@1Rictec]

how come i used my ryzen 1700 and use it to upgrade the asus b550 to a version that supported a 5600x cpu? ..this board the b550 prime plus from asus dont have any alternative to flash the bios you need a cpu that works and mine first gen ryzen did work

[@Peep18m]

i have a question, if you just purchased a i9 10850k would you be interested purchasing a 11900k. as we all know the i9 11900k is 8 core 16 thread vs the 10 core 20 thread 10850k. i just built my first pc and have been watching youre videos. ive learned alot from you in regards to this topic in video. hence why i went w 32gb of ram and an i9 that i got on sale. any help or adviced is appreciated. my mobo is an e gaming z490 btw. i like youre channel and advice. you use more realistic test computers that most of us can and do own. unlike many other testers that own 8-10k test benchs. being a new builder you give a new guy sound advice and the real world differences. keep up the good work. its much appreciated thats for sure.

[@DEE_MYZE]

so my going from msi z270 gaming pro carbon/i7 7700k build to a z490 msi mag tomahawk/i7 10700k is a good upgrade than ? if it matters i paid around 450$ for the z490 mobo and 10th gen cpu (brand new) .

[@wvan87]

This video saved me. I am keeping my 2700x until availability and price for 5900x improves.