C-stick Macro Specials (Smash Ultimate)

[@failboat]

You guys hear that? That's the sound of the training room being opened across the world

[@failboat]

Also real talk Im happy I found the soft chakram thing a couple weeks ago, makes me feel super cool

[@mephirez2274]

Omg Dan watches my smash corner

[@mephirez2274]

@@failboat I don't know if you will see this, or if it's been requested before, but you have you ever considered doing an alpharad-style cpu tournament but with the miis you've made during mii making

[@marcd.8051]

Leave

[@gabrielnunez8504]

Back when I used to watch you for Minecraft

[@GimR]

OH BABY! I KNOW THIS IS GONNA BE GOOD

[@spencernaugle]

But is it as good as Ryu's up air?

[@jaydenthiriot9946]

I know! I honestly feel this is going to be a huge shift in the upcoming meta.

[@researchinbreeder]

Time to go back to the lab again? Get that retreating bacon tech down?

[@kamrenblake7105]

Can you wavebounce 9? 🤔🤔

[@stomboyyuffie]

@@spencernaugle Did I miss something? Care to elaborate on Ryu's up air?

[@mysmashcorner]

0:25 how it works 1:56 control set up 2:48 side B wavebounce (buffered) 3:40 side B wavebounce (any time) 4:50 neutral B wavebounce (buffered) 6:04 down B wavebounce (any time) 7:27 ledge get up option 9:17 ledge trump punish mix up 10:55 Zelda application 12:07 Mii Swordfighter application 13:35 Mewtwo application Try it out, especially if you use a pro controller.

[@chocobovonhauske8518]

Whoaaa niiice, what a coincidence, I actually posted a comment in your attack canceling video about 2 weeks ago telling you about the applications of the tilt c-stick for specials, but until now I only really used it to wavebounce, but you amped the applications x1000, looking forward for your next video uwu

[@PanPonDom]

You even put time stamps! Dude your amazing i love your content so much!!

[@Rikana]

Hi Monday badminton guy

[@lukewenceslao8269]

Hey is it possible to map special to the X button and use claw grip instead of a shoulder button?

[@5baum]

I use the powerA GameCube controller which has 4 shoulder Buttons so it's mutch easier for mein.

[@SmashCentralOfficial]

Stop apologizing for the time in between your uploads :) your videos are always amazing and it's obvious they take a lot of work. Reminding people just adds an unnecessary sad/negative tone to the beginning of the video.

[@gundamxzero3]

Exactly, you have a life outside of videos. Any decent human should understand that.

[@ACE112ACE112]

it also makes it so the snash content we want is delayed by a few minutes

[@fyretech0603]

@@ACE112ACE112 it's actually only like 15 seconds

[@brennanmaghupoy238]

0:00 intro 1:01 c-bounce 3:48 wave bounce in air 4:51 neutral-b wave bounce 6:06 down-b wave bounce 6:58 wave bounce uses 7:29 ledge applications 9:30 wave bounce after ledge trump 10:54 specials with unique effects 13:57 outro/conclusion

[@elijaholsen8438]

Brennan Maghupoy thank you

[@tomdanub4231]

thanks!

[@gumbothefish2267]

The hero we needed

[@Ninkendo]

Tough times for GameCube Controller users PepeHands Well done as always brother 👍

[@brocori9803]

just use power-a gc controller. extra shoulder button

[@randomawsome]

horrorTerrorist Pressing 2 shield buttons at the same time can allow you to hold your shield and rotate it without dodging.

[@dentyo5238]

@@randomawsome That's minimum compared to an extra shoulder button...

[@Addeionized]

@@randomawsome while holding shield you only need to hold b at the same time to rotate shield. No need for 2 shieldbuttons

[@iznxai]

GC is actually worse than Switch pro because GC controllers arent in production nor have a similar product quality than the switch pro. the only actual "advantage" of gc controllers are the octagonal gates on the L stick.

[@jaysee6320]

Awesome video! I can tell you put a crap ton of work on it! The whole smash community appreciates your hard work! Thank you!

[@Wertyxl]

"Crap ton of work on it" so that means it sucked

[@rickster6755]

The Zelda one is huge for her. The shield on the Phantom is completely invincible, so she can safely charge against projectiles like Wolf's Blaster, Link's everything, Pikachu Thunderjolts etc. This allows her to utilize the delayed Phantom whereas she couldn't before without being interrupted I think it makes her an amazing counter zoner. Camping her out via projectiles will be so difficult with this plus Din's Fire and Nayru's Love. Piercing projectiles will still give her trouble but those are a minority

[@jacobrael9872]

It also looks like it could stop aerials approaches which are one of zeldas biggest weaknesses, all she would really have to worry about is Robins thoron or another zeldas din's fire or farore's wind

[@rickster6755]

@@jacobrael9872 Yeah it can be helpful against aerials since she's farther behind it. It would also put the opponent in hitlag giving her a minor frame advantage Fun fact: it will even block Bouncing Fish and force Sheik to bounce off. Zelda can then (if she started the phantom early enough) punish her. Or, if she started charging really early, Fsmash her while she's in hitlag. It's pretty good here since regular phantom can be punished from mid range on reaction by Sheik's BF

[@hatsunemiku8007]

can someone help me do this with a gamecube controller, I like to shield with L so idk if it's easier with setting R to jump or special

[@kirb942]

DAD FINALLY CAME BACK FROM GETTING CIGARETTES!

[@jakezepeda1267]

This isn't simple flips though

[@cjawesome9386]

Too real

[@RJ-gk3hc]

Jake Kirby why does he want cancer though?

[@quattro4468]

@@RJ-gk3hc smoking can be awesome after sex or on the roof of a really tall building.

[@IamXSublime]

Interesting how your essentially achieving the same result with sling shotting, I diddnt even know this was a tech 3 years ago. But sling shot being discovered makes all of this sooo much easier to do

[@alfonsogutierrez1204]

Time to learn something new again.

[@Tyan0A]

Good lord, seriously.

[@kaylone4174]

@@Tyan0A wym?

[@Tyan0A]

@@kaylone4174 There is a new technique for every miniscule situation, and if you're not learning it, you're not going to be as good as the people who do. And all of these new techniques involve re-mapping buttons or learning a new grip on the controller. Not to mention it doesn't just take a day to learn this stuff and implement it in actual matches. It takes a long ass time to actually develop the muscle memory for this stuff. It's cool, and exciting, but frustrating at the same time.

[@kaylone4174]

@@Tyan0A I see what you mean

[@o.o.4238]

@@Tyan0A par for the course, my friend. Par for the course.

[@danieldavid3766]

"The entire thing just feels like throwing out a back air" Yeah, but I can't throw out a back air.

[@YangyChaddyDad]

Maybe work on that and not look at the stupidly hard shit

[@mr.dr.prof.patrick3359]

Zackray boutta smoke everyone with this and his pro controller, watch out

[@b-d9099]

Wolf blaster will be so dumb with this

[@dddmemaybe]

yes, now i can use bowser fire in neutral even moar muahahahah. *big meaty claws* ;)

[@beastballchampions]

He sure did bro

[@yoyowatupimawsome]

DROP EVERYTHING, HE UPLOADED

[@jackawaka]

"how do you expect me to press those at the same time?" *Laughs in claw grip*

[@jobliar937]

gross

[@Touse107]

It’s amazing how you consistently make amazing videos for the community, so much respect for you

[@squidsofty8507]

consistently?

[@helpssb2698]

@@squidsofty8507 they mean consistently as in there has never been a bad my smash corner video

[@squidsofty8507]

@@helpssb2698 Very true, that is probably it haha

[@leloupsmash2567]

Thought people should know before giving up on trying this Zelda Technique with a GCC, its actually pretty easy to have the knuckle of your thumb on the C-Stick and the tip on the B button. I had more trouble inputing the instant reverse Dair than pressing B at the end. So give it a shot!

[@jamo1774]

Man, this is honestly game changing for some characters. I play sephiroth and being able to do a short hop wave bounce shadow flare in neutral is ridiculous. I use a gc controller, and idk if wired controllers don't have the extra should button, but the wireless one which is what I use does. I had both shoulders set to shield originally so I can angle my shield but I rarely use it. Also this is just so much more useful. So the change isn't an issue for me. I haven't quite mastered this 100% yet but am getting it pretty consistently. And it really is much easier and faster to do than a normal wave bounce. So glad I came across this video. Thanks for sharing!

[@augustobs24]

Maybe a little add-on to the guide: Macro cancelling can also be used to cancel Pivot Tilts and do aggresive wavebounces (bouncing into the enemy). For the Pivot Tilt Cancelling, just start a run animation to one side, tilt the control stick to the other side to star a slide animation and then, at the same time, press special and the C-stick to whatever direction you want (or just special to start a neutral special). This CAN be done without changing the controls (mostly neutral and side special are easy to do without c-stick cancels), but doing it with C-stick seems to maximise your slide distance, direction of the move (using the upper and lower right and left notches to instantly reverse the special and also helps tremendously when trying to execute a sliding up-special or down special, since you only slide with the control stick and choose the special with the C-stick (all the Links are benefitted by this, for example). This can be great for both retreating with a grounded special or making sure your specials cover more ground than usual (like Link's or Bayo's UpB). The video also focuses on defensive wavebounces (meaning, bouncing away from the opponent). If you want to do the opposite, just run away from them, jump and the immediately press Control stick in the opposite direction you were running + Special + C-stick in the direction you were running. Again, this can be done with a runaway b-reverse, but the C-stick cancel starts the special way faster that doing it the normal way. This will probably be reposted in Smashboards, but I thought a lot of people will see this video first or don't have a Smashboards account.

[@facade5050]

seeing this 3 years later but cool stuff

[@Howl_3DN]

My Smash Corner doesn’t speak often, but is so game-changing and thought provoking every time. Great vid and thorough research!

[@aaronfraga8809]

This is actually a shame... for me. I have spent countless hours mastering wavebouncing manually in Smash4 before Ultimate was announced, hoping that I can get an edge on my opponents (and I did finally master it). But now there's a technique that makes excuting it easier AND it has more applications. Glad you uploaded though :)

[@y.saknus]

Same

[@Uknkown]

Why didnt you C Bounce? its much more easier. Wavebounce was borderline abusive to the player lol

[@Frostbyte115]

@@Uknkown Actually I mastered it the within an hour back in sm4sh so in reality while it can be abusive there are people who can just do it because their muscle memory is built for it. Whether you choose C Bounce or manual wavebounce is based on player to player skill and preference and even character being used is a factor of whether or not you use it.

[@Lethal_Dankness]

Can you cbounce in smash4?

[@gluessb]

Lethalness yep, most tech people are finding in ultimate existed in smash 4, but they have way more applications in a faster game.

[@imbatrossthescrub2096]

Two game changing videos back to back. You are clearly the most vital piece in the puzzle right now.

[@jacksongriffin8371]

PRO CONTROLLER GANG (welcome back MSC, we don't deserve such a good content creator, keep up the good work)

[@tinyt.w.i.m7291]

Jax G pro controllers are superior. I’m an ex GameCube controller main. Tho they are good, pro con is better for me.

[@59hawks]

@@tinyt.w.i.m7291 *gasp* BETRAYER! (jk use what works best for you)

[@samdrabkin5912]

Y’all I’m pro controller till I die but I just can’t get these neutral b wave bounces. I miss the notches

[@normancampbell6647]

IM LITERALLY GOD AND HERE'S WHY I USE A PRO CONTROLLER THAT USES THE SHAPE OF A GAMECUBE ONE BUT WITH THE ADDITIONAL SHOLDER BUTTON.

[@cephuwu]

Love the format Easy-to-follow and accessible for newbies Also love the slow-motion and the way the buttons pop up to help with timing I can tell a lotta consideration went into this video, excellent work

[@Nyv0]

I missed you My Smash Corner

[@Zer0megAlpha]

One thing I noticed is that you can also fall off a ledge with a sharp angle back towards the stage using these methods, something that couldn't be done before. It's extremely useful for stages like battlefield. I haven't seen this mentioned yet.

[@gumbo64]

Can't wait to wave bounce falcon punch some poor sucker Edit: nvm ;(

[@bancholeo55]

You actually can wavebounce the Falcon punch :)

[@xavmarz755]

@@bancholeo55 no you can't

[@bancholeo55]

@@xavmarz755 Yeah, I found out some time after my original post.

[@davidkim301]

Holy shit how do you always find some intricate and fleshed-out technique that’s realistic and has massive potential that no one other person on the entire internet has covered to the same detail, if at all. Amazing work.

[@fettugenie749]

for wavebouncing forwards, what i’ve found helpful is to jump forward with the left stick, and then, instead of flicking in the other direction with the left stick, put it back in the middle and go in that direction again (as you’re hitting the special button and backwards on the c stick) don’t really know if this helps y’all that much, try it out! 😊😊😊

[@Braillionaire]

Watched this YEARS ago, and I just came back to it to share with some friends who are newer getting into Smash, and I learned some things I had forgotten or wasn't able to get yet when I was first learning these techniques!

[@riles-apple]

Thanks for the video. It was great and I enjoyed it. This technique also seems useful too.

[@benbaez6044]

I don't know how to say thank you enough. I doubt any of us could understand what it feels like to be you, to have so much pressure constantly weighing on you because people anxiously await your content. But I think you should know that even if it's just me, I care. I think your videos are perfect no matter how long they take to come out or how you think editing went, no matter how the music is or how mundane the tech explained, no matter how people respond or how complicated it might be to do. Your videos ALWAYS make me happy, your voice is great, your content is mentally stimulating and interesting, you always know exactly what you want to say, and you always say it so well. I'm sorry that (as far as I can perceive) the pressure of being "THE My Smash Corner" who "Takes forever to upload" is pressing down on you. You're a person, and you're a person who tries, and you're a person who tries their best. That's all anybody could ask from you, so don't feel like you need to be anything more. We all love you, and I'm sure everybody else feels the same way. Now, I'm going to go change my Pro's shoulder buttons to Jump and Special. See you next upload!

[@jen1447]

Nice technique but the superior technique is the Joestar technique

[@jgn]

*NIGERUNDAYO*

[@TheKidOfOnions]

*NIGERUNDAYO SMOKEY!*

[@Kiteminu]

Richter is just Joseph but with more holyness

[@salj.5459]

Yeah but the Zeppeli family’s rotation technique has been passed down for generations

[@deo222]

go head mistar joeesteer

[@Woodpli]

Fantastic video. The editing is flawless, and the information is helpful, detailed, well explained, and hasn’t been discussed in a KZbin video like this before. Catch me in the training room with this tech.

[@Joshua-ri6ci]

Is that a V I N C E Mii!!

[@michaelgear4598]

My boy vincent

[@tassetee]

*V I N C E*

[@michaelgear4598]

@@tassetee he may be a VINCE, but we all know that he's alpharad's VINCENT (or at least he is in our hearts)

[@sephil5712]

??*

[@gdawgs101]

@@sephil5712 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHrPfnp-Zch1a68

[@jaxsonfanta5420]

This video single handedly got my ZSS in Elite Smash. How can I show my gratitude to such an invaluable video.

[@iamdnorth]

NOT ENOUGH TIME HAS PASSED TO WATCH THE FULL VIDEO YET BUT I KNOW IM EXCITED

[@MashClash]

Used to watch all your videos. Glad you are back ;)

[@apatheosis8841]

I am so glad I never unsubscribed to your channel.

[@cloudgalaxy9231]

BIG FAT PRO TIP!!!! Buffer the backair before you jump so that you don't have to do it in 1 frame. You're welcome. (I.E. Push the C-stick back before jumping, then push special. So, hold forward, push c-stick back, jump, then special.)

[@angriff6466]

How is this not top comment. I know it's 8 months later but holy shit this makes it so much easier

[@shemassb3453]

You changed my life

[@zevfpizzorino7607]

I'm confused how you stay looking forward. I always get a b reverse with the wave bounce.

[@tomasmoledo260]

Same here

[@adamsmith4043]

@@tomasmoledo260 Same here. Anyone figure it out?

[@cpt11morgan57]

Try making sure you're pressing the left stick in the direction you want to bounce (backwards) when you do the attack, it worked for me

[@stephaniecurry45]

Learn the manual way

[@zevfpizzorino7607]

@@stephaniecurry45 nah

[@PrimeSonic]

I finally gave in and got one of the Power-A Gamecube controller shaped Pro controllers. Everything I love about the Gamecube controller with the added benefits of actually being a Pro Controller with all the extra buttons that come with it.

[@omniboo1762]

It's only changing your left bumper now but watch this turn into bidou 2 in a month

[@BuIIetBiII]

love you dude :) such a well made video. 1. Well explained 2. Included the instructions and how to do it on a controller 3. You discussed potential applications really appreciate the effort you've gone to make what can be quite fiddly tech easy to understand. :)

[@ecroy121212]

is anyone else just b-reversing? i feel like i always end up facing the other direction. Im playing like and instead of fading back and shooting the arrow i just shoot it other way.

[@elektrikProStats]

yep

[@TheAdwers]

I was having this same problem at first. The way to get around it is to treat it like a RAR (Reverse Arial Rush) and hit the controls stick in the opposite direction from that which you’re running right before executing the jump, this way the b reversal works in your favor and you can perform the wave bounce.

[@SSJUnderDog]

Alex Mungo I always get a forward air when I do this

[@CodyBMcGuire]

For awhile I was just Reversing with Dark Samus trying to do the neutral bounce. Make sure holding the direction stick forward. On a pro controller I'm finding it difficult to get the c stick at a downward angle. But I'm starting to get it.

[@BigCowProductions]

I have help!!! Sorta! Lol I had literally the same exact issue for awhile today. On normal speed it would be a b-reverse, but when I went to 1/4 speed, I got it almost every time. I was wondering why this was only broken on 1x speed. Obviously this was my fault, but it seemed like it wasn't. Once I realized that, and my own finger-bias for button pressing, I figured it out. When you b-reverse instead of wave bounce, you are hitting the Special button like a SPLIT SECOND too late. Once I started tricking my brain to 'pressing special early', since my thumb is faster in general, it compensated the speed to make them more direct. So like you should be doing... Over, jump-special-c stick. But I was subconsciously doing Over, jump-c stick-special I think... lol. Once I realized there was timing issues with my button inputs, I went to 1/4 speed til I got it down pat, then to 1/2, then 2/3, then 1x, etc. But I can GUARANTEE you that your timing of how you press the button and c stick is off. Either you're like me and your thumb moves too quickly, or maybe it's your index finger. But I got it working and was 100% doing b-reversals at first instead of wave bounces. I hope this helps!

[@geodawg2975]

My Smash Corner thank you so much for these videos. Just the two you've made so far have helped me a ton, can't wait to see more of your videos in the future!

[@dynoship5226]

I usually watch these kind of videos for entertainment, but I should start taking notes in these videos, I could get a lot better at smash if I use Techniques like this one.

[@smashgambits]

I don't know how you manage to find all these things....every video from you is a must-see!

[@InfernoCA]

I love your vids. Your knowledge is unbelievable

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

You're doing the lords work my friend. My first thought was "wow this really over complicates a fighting game." then I thought about other fighting games and how many quick inputs have to be done.

[@tobyvision]

"Here it is at actual speed." Okay, so I will never be doing that.

[@M1ch0aR]

Thank you so extremely much! I wasn't sure how to step up my game, but now I do! I was playing Sheik in Smash 4 and tried to learn and use all advanced techniques for her (she had so much crazy stuff...) And now I am finally able to play my favorite character Zelda in this game. I wasn't sure how to use the phantom in the neutral more safely, I knew about a technique that almost gets the phantom inside of Zelda, so she was a bit safe, but damn... Now I'm able to even switch positions with it!!! Thank you so much @MySmashCorner Keep making those great videos! Probably never missed a single one!

[@gravitygas3891]

That happy moment when you have a Power A "GameCube" controller with 2 "Z" buttons

[@TheWeedIsland]

How is that controller holding up? Wondering about the quality of 3rd party controllers bc the official ones pissed me off so many times with the Switch

[@gravitygas3891]

@@TheWeedIsland It's held up for me quite fine, though after getting my hands on some decent quality og gc controllers, I prefer the feel of them more than the Power A GC controller that I had. It's been perfectly serviceable otherwise imo.

[@stanleyhercules]

@@gravitygas3891 Have you noticed any latency when comparing the wireless power A (if its the one you have) to the GCN? Just got a hardwired game cube controller and the it feels much more responsive but I’m not sure if it’s just placebo from having the rumble feedback lol

[@gravitygas3891]

@@stanleyhercules I'll be perfectly honest, I don't play Smash a whole lot anymore, and even when I did, I wasn't good enough to worry about latency with my controller. For what it's worth though, I didn't really notice any latency change going from the Power A controller and an OG GC controller; if anything, I just noticed that the quality/feel of the parts were much better on the GCC than the Power A.

[@StraightOuttaLumby]

So I mastered the neutral b wave bounce but also found out that a slightly tweaked version of those inputs consistently gets me an instant rar. It’s so much more useful and easier than the other rar techniques!

[@spencernaugle]

I don't know what state your Patreon is in, at some point you said you disabled it. But I want to make sure you're getting my money.

[@mumblernumber7213]

Read the description

[@mysmashcorner]

Thank you.

[@marcusgrijalva6183]

This video honestly couldn't have come out at a better time. I just started to practice wavebounces and this makes it so much easier. And I don't mind changing my gamecube controls to have this many options available

[@draco7039]

For anyone struggling with the Zelda technique, I made an error list below. If you're consistently having problems, slow down, do each input slowly, and then slowly speed up back to regular speed (a regular exercise in training memory). You'll get it, give it time. For the reverse down air: If you get a tilt: you pressed jump too slow If you get a forward air: you pressed jump before the c stick If you get a back air: you did not move the control stick downward fast enough If you get a down air with no momentum: you moved the control stick downward too fast (before jumping) If you get a forward down air with backward momentum: you hit the c stick and jump on the same frame For the B reverse down air: If you get no B move: you pressed B too late If you get Din's fire forward: You pressed jump before the c stick, or you pressed B too early If you get Din's fire backward: You didn't move the control stick down fast enough If you get Knight backward: You pressed B before the c stick If you get the neutral B: Work on rolling the control stick from right/left to down. Don't return to neutral

[@leeku4963]

Draco Digiacomo can’t tell you how much this helped me, thanks 👍

[@BRLink1]

i'm jumping ahead of the knight and instead of behind it, any help here plz ?

[@draco7039]

@@BRLink1 practice the instant reverse down air more. Two things could cause your issue: 1. Not drifting backwards far enough - I've had this issue if you have very little grounded momentum. Rarely happens 2. Not properly performing the instant reverse down air. Without this, down b will always land behind zelda. Hopefully this helps

[@BRLink1]

@@draco7039 thanks 4 the help i'll keep trying

[@dpv202020]

@@draco7039 im getting nuts about it , can you record your hands xD?

[@princetonbrown3662]

@1:35 "Watch the flow of my movements as I demonstrate-" *MSC proceeds to do the tech at the speed of light*

[@fernandoerazo5879]

When showing imputs, could you show the sequence on the screen such as: A -> B -> C-stick + Shield? Otherwise, great video

[@sajidnoob]

this I'm guessing telling us the input order

[@mysmashcorner]

Ah, alright.

[@xeniadaisy]

finally an airdodge i can use in the xtreme smash ruleset, since its technically neutral but still has momentum

[@dagingerbreadman70]

My fingers hurt

[@betchaos7383]

This suits the custom controls I use perfectly! Another great video man! The quality of your tutorials are unrivaled!

[@jasminesrisouraj4008]

Did they do something to patch this or is my timing just really bad? I can consistently breverse now but wave bouncing is like 1/20 for me. I really want to learn this cause I'm playing ylink. run in -> jump -> cstick back -> special. When I try this it's normally I just throw a backair, otherwise I end up doing side b behind me. Can somebody help me figure out the timing on when i use the cstick and the special?

[@Gameboyycolor1]

i cant seem to wavebounce my boomerang when using Link, it just does a b reverse using this method 3:02

[@bhilder]

Yo, I'm trying to learn this as well and I was thinking the same, but I managed to get it. I practice by doing the tilt attack cancel into special the air at the peek of my jump instead of straight away so I can get the hang of the cancel. Also did it in 1/4 speed too. Hope it helps :)

[@itsepic_gabriel7371]

Welcome back buddy. Your videos are my favorite not only cuz you go really into details but you some how make it very relaxing

[@untitled_unmastered]

I wish he was back :,(

[@Axle075]

Fantastic video as always! I'm especially excited for this since I've had this control scheme set-up for about a month already. Now I just gotta practice the tech.

[@MrFloshadow]

it's weird, i can do almost consistantly a neutral wavebounce in 2/3 speed and lower, but at x1 i do a turnaround instead every single time :(

[@SallowDawn]

SAME. Did you ever figure it out?

[@MrFloshadow]

@@SallowDawn I think i know why. I tested it a lot and i figured out something with my labbers friends : in short, the lower speed game isn't exactly the same for the cstick. I think it's a 3-frames in a direction plus one press of let's say A, in a normal case scenario buuuut in 2/3 or lower speed world, when you do like a c-stick ftilt it's 4 frames in the given direction, plus one press of A we tested it with mega man in the training stage to be sure of it, and we are pretty confident about it So it's not possible to do it on the ground like that

[@SallowDawn]

@@MrFloshadow Wow, that would make a lot of sense regarding this problem, and I think you're the first person to notice that. That's an excellent find by you, my friend.

[@MrFloshadow]

@@SallowDawn i'm not the first to say that the training mode is broken :p (and to be fair that was a team effort)

[@miguelr246]

I actually discovered this a couple weeks ago but never knew hiw to use it to its full potential. Thanks for the in depth.

[@samuelmars731]

i keep getting b reverses instead

[@elektrikProStats]

same

[@IlanAs08]

What’s the difference ?

[@samuelmars731]

@@IlanAs08 b turnaround = changing direction your facing, not momentum b reversing = changing direction and momentum wavebouncing = changing momentum but not direction

[@IlanAs08]

Alright and what’s the goal of changing momentum ?

[@samuelmars731]

@@IlanAs08 movement mixups. the more options you have for movement in nuetral, the more diverse you can make your patterns. makes it hard for an opponent to read/punish you. you can bait with a jump in and then immediently back out and stuff like that i think it can be used in some combos too

[@1256936]

Thank you SO MUCH! I looked at your tutorial for B-reversing to learn it in ultimate, but I didn't want my 2nd stick to be set to special, and now I can have everything I want =)

[@bluemarb1e787]

Wait this could single handedly massively improve zeldas neutral viability that’s wild

[@dpv202020]

i'm been triying for weeks and i only get 1 out of 100 xD

[@BLamb]

I’ve constantly been switching between Pro and GameCube controllers since Ultimate’s release as I haven’t played Smash with a GameCube controller for years like other people and they both feel great to me. This video has definitely convinced me to stick with the Pro Controller. :)

[@stuffyx3478]

It’s so hard to pull off, i keep doing a b reverse and not a wave bounce

[@hiraku741]

This video is very VERY helpful! I hope you get to continue making content like this. I would like to add a few personal notes. The b-reverse is very inconsistent when I first started but when I let go of the control stick after the jump then immediately buffered the tilt+special+left it is coming out more consistent. I will continue to experiment with the other tech, but highly recommended! Thank you!

[@logandraws115]

YAY HE UPLOADED AGAIN!!! Edit: THANKS FOR 100 LIKES!!1!!1!!!1

[@logandraws115]

Yay I’m first

[@lnguyenhuu6821]

Nice idea to use the macro for B-reverse! I will try that. I was experimenting with C-stick mapped to Special before, but for some reason it only allowed me to do a B-reverse (wave bounce) when Time scale was 2/3 or less! (at least in the Training Room) To solve this I had to press B to confirm the reversed direction... So I might as well keep my C-stick for Tilt. I fear that C-stick only simulates low magnitude stick input though, which means we can only use the tilt version of specials with a tilt vs smash variant. Your example at 12:07 actually shows an advantage of a tilt variant, but sometimes I just need the smash variant. The fact that the C-stick as tilt maps to a low magnitude direction matches the fact that 45 degree C-stick + B => neutral B. At max magnitude, 45 degree + B would give a side B (and a bit below, a down B). It still good to know for all the specials without variant, while you can still use the classic B-reverse input with the main stick for an actual reverse smash B.

[@austinpowers3659]

This Is super good for Zelda

[@donny2147]

As long as a video’s out, a true supporter shouldn’t care about the time taken for it to come out. I’m just thankful for a new video ❤️.

[@iceypumpkinhead]

I'm not changing a single button on my controller because I don't even have this game.

[@elijaholsen8438]

Iceypumpkin head rip

[@TreeWizFGC]

All YL mains: i've been using this tech for a while (i didn't know about diagonal c stick though) and it's GOD SENT for everything! You can literally run at someone then wavebounce boomerang with ease to bait a shield grab or jump off stage and wavebounce angled boomerang to get extra ledge pressure. Highly recommend using. Great stuff as always!

[@Addeionized]

Yeah i know, i'm so happy about this lol

[@feral7225]

jesus that neutral b wavebounce is friggin impossible on pro controler

[@Kaanlanzer]

Can we appreciate the insane calm tone of his voice? This is straight up Smash Bob Ross, I love it.

[@ChristopherMoom]

Dad! You came back home!

[@coldjolteon5799]

You are everywhere!

[@Afrochilla]

And mine still hasn’t after 13 years

[@Fireshot844]

Thanks so much for the information. Recently I’ve swapped jump and right trigger grab to make C stick back airs easier on the Power A wireless GameCube controller and will possibly sub special into the left trigger keeping my shields open on the “analog” trigger for these new techs. Subbed for more! This is amazing!

[@sabotajxd]

*Joycons anyone... no just me?* *yeah*

[@pipedream7794]

Me as well fam

[@coldjolteon5799]

Nope

[@timothyestrada4549]

buy gamecube because its just better and is cheaper than a pro

[@CantiBun]

Not alone until I get e gamecube controller

[@uditpai4491]

Me too fam, can't afford a controller rn

[@markeza9989]

Seems useful. Can't wait to see people using it.

[@direwolf8093]

I feel like I’ve followed everything and am still just getting a neutral b reverse every time

[@Leoink1]

Yup I get the exact same thing my wavebounce just does a regular b reverse find a solution

[@nathanielcameron9039]

You have to time the c-stick movement with the special button carefully

[@Leoink1]

@@nathanielcameron9039 so which one goes first?

[@nathanielcameron9039]

@@Leoink1If I remember correctly I think you move the c-stick a little bit after you press the special button

[@commptonn]

I switched to a tilt stick with on of the triggers being jump and it made a crazy difference, I'm excited to try this too thanks man

[@zakariaal-omaisi4459]

If Masahiro Sakurai patches out this tehc I will flip

[@Vecderg]

c-bouncing has been around for a while, i doubt it'll get patched

[@sajidnoob]

he wouldn't, it's similar to planking from other fighting games (e.g. street fighter series)

[@snitchbug]

that is gonna be hard w the way c stick inputs

[@dddmemaybe]

he would need his team to find a new way to code how the game interprets c-stick inputs and potentially add a ton of bugs in doing so. probably not going to happen.

[@jambondepays1969]

1:18 "because of the thumb gymnastics, it was near impossible to execute in a match" Street fighter players: im about to end this man's whole career

[@Raza9428]

I love your vids!

[@LowellLoveMusic]

Times like these make me glad I've been claw gripping for years

[@potatogodbob7690]

Few seconds in this new tech already looks so damn cool.

[@torna6517]

God damn its good to see another one of your videos after awhile. Definitely going to at least try the wavebounce method after exams are over

[@eggonyofase]

Anyone else having trouble getting the neutral b version consistently?

[@paulmhessing]

eggonyofase Yes. I can do the down b and side b wave bounces easily but neutral b doesn’t work as described in this video

[@corellioncrusaderproductio4679]

@@paulmhessing Same problem here, I'm not sure what it is. Although, the angle directions on my Gamecube controller do not do angled tilts, and instead do down tilts. I have to aim the joystick slightly above the angle, to get the tilt attack.

[@paulmhessing]

@@corellioncrusaderproductio4679 I figured it out. To do the neutral special wave bounce you just tap the C-stick when doing the inputs.

[@delaisaka3318]

As a Zelda main this video is perfect. Thank you

[@MidwayWuzzupman]

Anyone know if you can do the same thing for non-buffered neutral special as you could with side special? EDIT: You can do a down special wave bounce by doing something similar to the side special wavebounce, but do c-stick diagonal forward instead

[@stephaniecurry45]

This tech is unrealistic, normal way is way better

[@avibi]

I found the video really interesting, especially the neutral airdodge to BF side platform part and the Chakram segment, but i'll keep doing my thumb gymnastics for B-reverses and wavebounces.

[@color0cean]

daddy is back

[@dieblauebedrohung]

_Apologizes at the start of the video_ _manages to always find semi-broken revolutionizing techs for the game_ dude, you are just the best, don't apologize to us!