C1 Advanced vs C2 Proficiency, differences explained. Which Cambridge exam to take. CAE or CPE exam?

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What are the most important differences between the C1 advanced and C2 proficiency Cambridge English exams? Are you ready for the C2 proficiency exam? Which Cambridge exam is best for you? Which exam should you take?
In this video, I explain the how the CAE and CPE Cambridge English exams are different (and similar) in order to help you decide which exam is best for you and whether or not you are ready to take the C2 proficiency.
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[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

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[@geraldinecruz8358]

Thanks a lot Ben for this amazing video. It's been pretty useful since I'm right now preparing my CPE. I have just joined the telegram group, such an awesome proposal. Hope to find mates who are in the same line chasing this certification.

[@rafaelcarranza1677]

I am very happy to have found this channel, I did not have a formal Ingles language eduction, however being working in the Hotels and Cruises business for many years I ended up dealing with high level execs and revising contracts, agreements and extensive marketing communication material. Your videos are definitely world class thank you

[@thechatbox18]

Thank you Ben. I think I won't try a C2 examination at least in the near future. But your group is going to be a success!

[@Iridescent1904]

Thank you so much for your videos and clear and precise pieces of advice! They’re really helpful

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

You're welcome! Thanks for your comment 🙂

[@Kameleonic]

It's not about being 'better than a native speaker', that's not a good comparison to make. It's about demonstrating knowledge of language that native speakers won't necessarily use, on a daily basis. Realistically, a native speaker simply has better discourse ability, semantics, pragmatics etc., whereas a non native speaker will often have better lexis. And lexis is only one aspect of language. So, no, a C2 user is in no way 'better than a native speaker' because you're comparing something as simple as 5, 6, 7 years of classroom language study to 20, 30, 60, 80 years of language experience in context: school, clubs, work, social life on a daily basis. Neither is 'better', they are simply different.

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

Perhaps you're right. I was just trying to emphasise that, for the exam, the candidates need to use grammatical structures and vocabulary that native English speakers don't tend to use. Maybe 'better' wasn't the word to use.

[@danielnarcisozuglianello8281]

Every measure is bound to a metric. That the required level is 'better than native' is to be interpreted exclusively within the context of academic and literary language use. Were we to refrain from such crude contexts, we would invariably enter the realm of sociolinguistics, wherein no dialect deserves to be claimed 'THE standard'.

[@TakoGoksadze]

I think it was useful simplification to help us understand the difficulty of showing C2 level knowledge in a short time

[@LNVACVAC]

On CPE/C2 informal, gentry, and middle-class vernacular use of english will certainlly not be tolerated and deflates scores to CEFR C1 level. Political correctness and general textual/thematic politeness is also imposed/expected with similar effects. On CPE/C2 you are expected to write and speak almost flawlessly in General to Advanced Received Pronunciation/Grammar/Style, following the "New Oxford Style Manual" (post 2010), Fowler's "Modern English Usage, Revised Edition" (post 1997 - Burchfield and Fowler), and Gower (2014) "The Complete Plain Words", and most 1950 to 1970 grammar guides. Post 80's Grammar manuals are adulterated by leftie (cultural studies) scholars and their teleology. In resume at C2 level you need to demonstrate you are able to write and speak like Royalty, Nobility, Clergy, Government Ministers, Doctoral Professors, Embassators and Foreign Representatives, High Hierarchy/Prestige Office Elected Officials, and notable writters from The Times, Oxford University Press and Cambridge University Press, as well as proofreaders and copy-writers in ultra high-stakes bussiness. Anyway you must not use technical jargon or words in obsolescence unless it is expressly adequate to the theme, and situational context proposed on each test section. Soft to Middle strenght Indian and commonwealth accents (non-UK) are tolerated but will get you a lower to middle A score tops. On CAE high-middle class American and International English will get you CEFR C1's C to B Scores, and Multicultural London English will get you a CEFR B2 score tops if you have luck and they realize your first language or your family's first language isn't english. General Received English Pronunciation/Style and Grammar is still ideal if you are aiming at a C2 or a High B C1 Grade through CAE. Which certification will be apropriate to you will depend on how much time you intend investing. A fine way of studying for C2 is getting your Cambridge Delta. I would recomend you study for CAE and CPE concomitantly, sit a CAE test first and then go for a Delta Degree if you score middle to top C1, or even enroll an English Literature Degree. Only after a C2 will be relevant unless you work in million-dollar stakes bussiness. C1 Bussiness will get you past most Bussiness Carrers and Undergraduate University Courses up to an MBA. CAE is the ideal for other areas of inquiry. FCE is the test if you don't want be an academic. With an B at CAE/C1 ou are able to work as text translator or interpreter on most Academic and Low Stakes settings as long as you have equivalent C2 skill at your own mother language (which most people also doesn't possess) and understand the Status Quaestionis of the intended discussed topics. MOST NATIVE SPEAKERS WILL NEVER EVER OPERATE IN A GENERAL/CONSERVATIVE RECEIVED ENGLISH LEVEL LET ALONE PASS A C2 EXAMINATION OR EVEN GET A C1 HIGH B SCORE on CAE. It's not even a matter of how much or long you study or practice english, but a matter of general and verbal fluid intelligence. You get a B at CAE as a native you are a language geek and you are on the top 20% general and verbal intelligence population stratum.

[@marcellofadda9474]

@@LNVACVAC Thank you for your thorough remarks!

[@fainafaina1940]

I find CPE a challenge in terms of some bits of vocabulary because like you said, many native speakers couldn't answer correctly. In my case, I checked with British people and they were confused:))

[@bailarina1973]

Thank you so much for all your recommendations!

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

You're welcome

[@bladimirquispelazaro157]

Estudie el inglés americano.. pero ahora te escucho y déjame decirte que es el mejor acento británico que he escuchado 🎉

[@elenamortolacobhc]

Thank you Ben, your videos are always riveting and useful. I am looking forward to joining your telegram group. Take care!

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

You're welcome Elena! 🙂

[@TuneGrower]

This channel is amazing and I love to come here to get motivated to pass the exam !

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

Great! Glad you like it 🙂

[@brokentrigonfrollo2940]

The telegram idea is great for me because i cannot find people to motivate myself or practice with someone, huge thanks Ben.

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

Have you joined the group?

[@swethakiran3740]

Thank you so much Mr. Ben🙏

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

You're welcome 🙂

[@ozzystanely4414]

Just absolutely agree!!! You have to like English a bit more than your native in order to pass C1 or C2.... and having passed to keep up with srudying!!!!

[@annasakowska8502]

I really wish I had found this video sooner. I took the CAE exam because I'm considering studying english, my teacher advised me to go with this particular exam. I was a bit overconfident and didn't prepare much, basically just got familiar with writing forms and took some tests few days before the assesment date. I think that watching this video would've given me a motivation to actually study for it, I would've avoided so much stress. In the end I managed to pass with grade A, but that was the the trickiest english test I have ever taken and I greatly underestimeted it. Amazing video, very informative!

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

You did pretty well without seeing the video 🙂 Congratulations!

[@maddieb2763]

You passed and you wrote english instead of English? 🙄🙄

[@Diego-lt4wm]

Indeed, Cambridge exams are the most confusing exams ever. I have taken the TOEFL exam and got an equivalent to C1. In Cambridge I have never ever been able to surpass the B2 level, usually just by 1 point

[@vitorsouza4879]

@@maddieb2763 as if a single capital letter were so important in the big picture, right? ugh, i just can't with these trolls

[@maddieb2763]

@@vitorsouza4879 I'm not a troll, you stupid thing. A capital letter is important when you are taking a Cambridge exam like the B2 or C1. Even a single S is important if you leave it out when you shouldn't because it means one more mistake, a point you lose. Got that or shall I explain it to you again? ffs 🙄 I can't stand thick people.

[@monicakopycka1721]

I found this explanation very useful & informative. Thank you very much, Ben.

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

You're welcome! 🙂

[@carolinapavone2433]

Im taking the cpe exam in almost a week, wish me luck! (Im from Uruguay :))

[@galyabadalyan4128]

I really would't have known what to do with my exam CAE if i didn't watch your videos, thanks Ben you are doing such a good thing for those who want to pass these exams.

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

I'm glad I can help a little

[@zanjapan]

Thank you Ben. This video is quite informative. I'll start with CAE!

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

👍

[@victorcaballero9523]

Thanks!!!

[@gabrielasantana6782]

Great video 👏🏼

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

Thank you, Gabriela! Glad you liked it 🙂

[@ClaudiuVicol]

I am glad I came across your channel. I was wondering if you could explain how (if applicable) the BCCI IPEC C1 Excellence level is different from the C1 or C2 Cambridge level. I took and passed (85/100 points) this exam in 2001 when I was an Erasmus exchange student in Italy and I have never wondered until recently what the difference between them actually is (if any). As a matter of fact, I still haven't seen any exam worse than that one (when the Italian students complained about the 'Listening' being far too difficult), considering that ESP had to be used (economics to be more precise). The exam structure was similar to the CPE but there was another test specially designed for us: we had 5 minutes to deliver a presentation relating to an imaginary company and product(s) using specialised terminology and an additional translation test from Italian to English (which we didn't have to take since we were not Italian native speakers). All in all, the exam started at 9.00 a.m and ended around 5 p.m.

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

I'm not familiar with that exam, I'm afraid.

[@irinaishkova6928]

Hello, Ben😊 I enjoy watching you videos and I find them extremely useful for those who are preparing for the exams. I would also like to join your CAE telegram group🙏 How could I do that? I can’t find the link in the description to the video…

[@rossellaleonardi2908]

Hi Ben! If we take the C2 exam and fail the minimum requirements, can we still get a C1 level? Thanks!

[@Furentsu]

Hi Ben, thank you for all your effort in making these videos! I find them extremely helpful. Is it OK to prepare for the CPE and take the CAE? Are there significant differences in the parts that are shared between the two?

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

The formats of the two exams are very similar. The most significant differences are in the speaking and writing papers, so I recommend you make sure you're familiar with what is expected of you in those papers in particular

[@momar7067]

Hi Ben Thank you for these amazing explanations regarding C2 exams' portions, but if we are to compare C2 exam to GRE test, do think it is appropriate to say these two exams are at the same level of English proficiency especially in the writing section?

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

I don't know much about the GRE test, to be honest. But my understanding is that the C2 Proficiency Cambridge exam is a higher level.

[@momar7067]

@@tothepointenglishwithben. Thank you

[@ethiart]

There are great differences between the two exams. GRE is generally used for postgraduate entrance exam level (master, phd,...) so it focuses on verbal and math competencies. For the verbal per se, it focuses on logic, critical thinking, verbal reasoning, a good range of vocabulary (which is more or less academic relevant). Even in the writing part, the "verbal reasoning" essence and academic vocabulary/style should be salient in your writing. Plainly, you write in a way that a formal newspaper, a piece of academic journal, any formal form of communication medium writes, with logic and reasoning. Now, C2 is a completely different style. First, C2 does not have math evaluation. Second, C2 judges 4 skills (when GRE is only for 2 as explained above. To be fair, writing is a third component of a GRE test). Writing in C2 will encompass sentence transformation (which requires mastering idioms, phrasal verbs, colloquial phrases,...), vocabulary (well, from A1 to C2 of all things), and use of English (you need to master both detonations - dictionary meaning, and connotations - emotional meaning, of words). As the highest form of an English test, C2 outclasses any other exam because it is about everything that may or might appear in English language (at least in written form). To this extent, GRE measures something else and C2 is another thing (but much bigger). Let's take this as a decisive conclusion: validity of TOEFL/IELTS is 2 years; that of GMAT/GRE is 5 years, but that of C2 is permanent (life time). This alone is enough to say what C2 means. When you apply for postgraduate programs, no school will ask you a C2 but simply GMAT/GRE, not because they don't like C2 but because GMAT/GRE evaluates the things they need to see (math + verbal reasoning + writing in an academic way). However, if the program asks for TOEFL/IELTS and you don't have it but you have C2, I am 100% sure they will accept your C2 and have no complaint. In fact, they will love you more because even the native English speakers may not have C2 because C2 is e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g about English.

[@momar7067]

@@ethiart Thank you very much. I believe this is a thorough explanation for the difference between C2 and GRE/GMAT exams.

[@otaviomascarenhas9853]

Is the Telegram group mentioned on the video still available?

[@sheeriouslylvcy4101]

My boss told me to try c2, and I registered for it after reading a little bit about it, but now that I found this video I'm really worried that this won't end well for me :(

[@----zd1od]

Ik it's been over a year now, but how did it go?

[@sheeriouslylvcy4101]

@@----zd1odLuckily I passed with the grade C

[@silvioluizrodriguesdasilva4606]

@@sheeriouslylvcy4101 Hi! Can I ask you something? How long have you been learning English?

[@sheeriouslylvcy4101]

@@silvioluizrodriguesdasilva4606 about 10 years overall

[@silvioluizrodriguesdasilva4606]

@@sheeriouslylvcy4101 thank you very much! :)

[@elenarazumnykh1177]

To tell the truth, your words about one year period being not enough to prepare for CPE left me in despair. I'm CAE level at the moment and I've set the goal to spend one year studying hard and then apply for CPE.

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

Did I say that one year is not enough? I'd be surprised if I did because it depends on your current level and how much time you can dedicate to your studies. I think you can pass the C2 Proficiency exam in one year. You just need to be consistent, organised and focused.

[@eidlebanon5245]

Thanks a lot!! Are phrasal verbs important for this text? Or is it preferable to study latinate equivalents since they tend to be more precise and scholarly?

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

If your referring to the writing, it depends on the style you need to use. In an informal email, phrasal verbs are suitable but not in a formal report. In general, you will need to know advanced phrasal verbs and latinate expressions for the C2 proficiency. The more impressive the vocabulary, the better.

[@eidlebanon5245]

@@tothepointenglishwithben. That I will. Thanks for your reply! 👍🏻 And what about idioms, are they suitable for academic writing? Because I see them all the time in articles and newspapers.

[@annamayer1109]

When I go through the CEFR scale for C2, I am always rather confused as to what they exactly mean. Could you maybe make a video explaining those scales for speaking or writing and also what is necessary to fulfil those criteria? I‘m currently preparing for the C2 exam and I sometimes feel quite lost. Best, Anna

[@LNVACVAC]

At C2 you have knowledge and skill equivalent or necessary to hold a Bachelor's Degree in English Language or Linguistics. Only 2 to 9 percent of native speakers reach this level of proficiency, which could be called "Mastery". At C1 you have knowledge and skill equivalent or necessary to hold up to a Doctoral Degree in any field OTHER THAN English Language or Linguistics. Only 8 to 25 percent of native speakers reach this level of proficiency. At B2 you have knowledge and skill equivalent to 45 to 75 percent of native speakers. This is the level actually required to hold jobs in administration, technical/vocational courses or to enroll at most universities on exact sciences, natural sciences or IT related courses. Exam requirements are always higher than actual societal demands. Scoring High B's on FCE actually means you are proficient in practice, even if a C on CAE formally recognizes Operative Proficiency. Having an A on CAE or C on CPE means you are either a english language geek or a trained professional on the field.

[@hasrihashim9136]

@@LNVACVAC Interesting take on the differences between the tests. Is this your opinion or did you get this information from somewhere? Could you provide some sources? I'm just curious about these claims.

[@LNVACVAC]

On CPE/C2 informal, gentry, and middle-class vernacular use of english will certainlly not be tolerated and deflates scores to CEFR C1 level. Political correctness and general textual/thematic politeness is also imposed/expected with similar effects. On CPE/C2 you are expected to write and speak almost flawlessly in General to Advanced Received Pronunciation/Grammar/Style, following the "New Oxford Style Manual" (post 2010), Fowler's "Modern English Usage, Revised Edition" (post 1997 - Burchfield and Fowler), and Gower (2014) "The Complete Plain Words", and most 1950 to 1970 grammar guides. Post 80's Grammar manuals are adulterated by leftie (cultural studies) scholars and their teleology. In resume at C2 level you need to demonstrate you are able to write and speak like Royalty, Nobility, Clergy, Government Ministers, Doctoral Professors, Embassators and Foreign Representatives, High Hierarchy/Prestige Office Elected Officials, and notable writters from The Times, Oxford University Press and Cambridge University Press, as well as proofreaders and copy-writers in ultra high-stakes bussiness. Anyway you must not use technical jargon or words in obsolescence unless it is expressly adequate to the theme, and situational context proposed on each test section. Soft to Middle strenght Indian and commonwealth accents (non-UK) are tolerated but will get you a lower to middle A score tops. On CAE high-middle class American and International English will get you CEFR C1's C to B Scores, and Multicultural London English will get you a CEFR B2 score tops if you have luck and they realize your first language or your family's first language isn't english. General Received English Pronunciation/Style and Grammar is still ideal if you are aiming at a C2 or a High B C1 Grade through CAE. Which certification will be apropriate to you will depend on how much time you intend investing. A fine way of studying for C2 is getting your Cambridge Delta. I would recomend you study for CAE and CPE concomitantly, sit a CAE test first and then go for a Delta Degree if you score middle to top C1, or even enroll an English Literature Degree. Only after a C2 will be relevant unless you work in million-dollar stakes bussiness. C1 Bussiness will get you past most Bussiness Carrers and Undergraduate University Courses up to an MBA. CAE is the ideal for other areas of inquiry. FCE is the test if you don't want be an academic. With an B at CAE/C1 ou are able to work as text translator or interpreter on most Academic and Low Stakes settings as long as you have equivalent C2 skill at your own mother language (which most people also doesn't possess) and understand the Status Quaestionis of the intended discussed topics. MOST NATIVE SPEAKERS WILL NEVER EVER OPERATE IN A GENERAL/CONSERVATIVE RECEIVED ENGLISH LEVEL LET ALONE PASS A C2 EXAMINATION OR EVEN GET A C1 HIGH B SCORE on CAE. It's not even a matter of how much or long you study or practice english, but a matter of general and verbal fluid intelligence. You get a B at CAE as a native you are a language geek and you are on the top 20% general and verbal intelligence population stratum.

[@LNVACVAC]

At C2 you have knowledge and skill equivalent or necessary to hold a Bachelor's Degree in English Language or Linguistics. Only 2 to 9 percent of native speakers reach this level of proficiency, which could be called "Mastery". At C1 you have knowledge and skill equivalent or necessary to hold up to a Doctoral Degree in any field OTHER THAN English Language or Linguistics. Only 8 to 25 percent of native speakers reach this level of proficiency. At B2 you have knowledge and skill equivalent to 45 to 75 percent of native speakers. This is the level actually required to hold jobs in administration, technical/vocational courses or to enroll at most universities on exact sciences, natural sciences or IT related courses. Exam requirements are always higher than actual societal demands. Scoring High B's on FCE actually means you are proficient in practice, even if a C on CAE formally recognizes Operative Proficiency. Having an A on CAE or C on CPE means you are either a english language geek or a trained professional on the field.

[@hasrihashim9136]

Interesting take on the differences between the tests. Is this your opinion or did you get this information from somewhere? Could you provide some sources? I'm just curious about these claims.

[@LNVACVAC]

​@@hasrihashim9136 ​It's not my opinion. This kind of thing is discussed outside of UK in courses to become an examinator (not invigilator) after you reached C1 level and is aiming at certifying C2. In many cases after the test (CAE, CPE and IELTS Academic) The British Council representing Cambridge Assessment personally calls you to congratulate you, they even tell you their executives need to do and pass these tests and the almost totality of successful ones score B2 Overall, which is the required score to be invigilator also. Most natives will have very high scores in listening and speaking, scores above C2, but scores on writing and text comprehension will fluctuate in between B1 and B2. These scores tend to be higher in natives right after they leave high school but plumet after college. Foreigners at level B2 tend to demonstrate higher formal/normative knowledge than natives age 30 to 40. Also, general inteligence strongly influences natives results, and the score distribution reflects this.

[@hasrihashim9136]

​@@LNVACVAC I mean, I don't necessarily disagree with your statements. But without any references or sources, your statements remain unsubstantiated. Could you provide some reference/source links? Surely you got this information from somewhere, right? I'm just genuinely interested to know more, that's all.

[@LNVACVAC]

@@hasrihashim9136 These stats are insider information. Certifications are a product. It's not discussed openly in cientific literature.

[@LNVACVAC]

@@hasrihashim9136 kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4nbi4BooaiLZ9U

[@Omar-hv9pb]

Thanks, Mr ben, I wanted to know the structure of the CAE essay and the CAE graph article and how to maximize my marks in it. Thanks in advance (If you don't know what the CAE graph article is or you think it's the same as the IELTS graph article I can tell you what it is because it's pretty different than the IELTS one)

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

Hi Omar. I give lots of information about the structure of the CAE in my other videos. I recommend you check out the C1 Advanced playlist. Also, have a look at the official Cambridge Assessment English website. I'm afraid I don't know what you're referring to regarding the CAE graph article.

[@juangarviapastor6738]

Hi Ben! I´ve just watched your video and I want to join your Telegram Group because I like the way you explain things. Thanks a lot.

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

Hi Juan. The link is in the video description. 👍

[@aquarius4953]

So, prepare for the C2 for five years and when you are ready take the C1 .

[@AmitSingh-hi2mr]

How can we feel comfortable using them sir.

[@ProEnglishwithTetianka]

How do I enter your telegram groups of C1 and C2 proficiency levels? I couldn’t find the links. Thank you in advance!

[@kingjulian1202]

I am absolutely not sure if I should take the c1 or c2 exam, since I'm only planning to take it in 2 years, I don't know how good I'll be until then, I'm roughly c1 already, but I'm not sure if I'll get to c2 until then, since I don't learn anymore, I just interact with English naturally, have a lot of exposure and don't really face difficulty communicating

[@camila_motta]

Hi, everybody! I couldn’t find the link to the Telegram channel. Do you know where I can find it? Thanks!

[@DAG_M]

Retake exam is just a regular exam or is there any kind of discount?

[@florencepitaval5320]

Thank you so much for your video it is very interesting. I have a question : if you fail the C2 test but get a grade good enough for C1 do they give you the C1 certification ?

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

Yes, that's right

[@talisacademyeducationalhub]

Can you please tell me where I can see the Telegram group you mentioned in the video? I simply cannot see it in the description:) Thank you! :)

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

Here it is t.me/+Rx-VmR9QA9dInVlm

[@Maximilianniclasklee]

I am planning to take C1 or C2 to get a recognition for my lvl of english because I am moving out of my home country. Do you think from a employers perspective that there is a big diference between the 2?

[@danielcruz1443]

Hello teacher Ben! Do you recommend use contractions or all of us must avoid it and write any word properly?

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

It depends on the required register of the writing. In informal compositions contractions are acceptable but not in formal writings

[@danielcruz1443]

@@tothepointenglishwithben. Thanks a lot!

[@jaloliddinsharafiddinov4214]

Hello Ben, I watch your videos, they are very helpful for me, can I join your telegram group to practice speaking for CEFR C1 exam?

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

Sure.... The link is in the description

[@zs_c.8893]

Hi Ben, I just got my CAE result recently and I'm wondering if I should take the CPE test as I got a C1 on my CAE test and I personally think it is sufficient enough for applying universities and stuffs so what do you think?

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

Yes, the C1 Advanced is sufficient for most institutions... But some do ask for C2.

[@LNVACVAC]

You will only be required a C2 score if you plan to do a Master's or Doctoral study on English Language or Literature. Otherwise a C2 is Useless. Most native speakers will never achieve a C2 score even with preparation.

[@thisismyplaylist]

I can understand you completely, well I have a good level :D

[@iandj1]

Hello Ben! I just recieved my result for the CAE exam I took. I scored a 200 which puts me in the C2 category. Is that the same as C2 proficiency? I'm just not sure since it was a CAE test, not a CPE test but I did score within the C2 category.

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

That means that you will receive a C1 Advanced certificate specifying that you achieved a C2 level

[@LNVACVAC]

On CPE/C2 informal, gentry, and middle-class vernacular use of english will certainlly not be tolerated and deflates scores to CEFR C1 level. Political correctness and general textual/thematic politeness is also imposed/expected with similar effects. On CPE/C2 you are expected to write and speak almost flawlessly in General to Advanced Received Pronunciation/Grammar/Style, following the "New Oxford Style Manual" (post 2010), Fowler's "Modern English Usage, Revised Edition" (post 1997 - Burchfield and Fowler), and Gower (2014) "The Complete Plain Words", and most 1950 to 1970 grammar guides. Post 80's Grammar manuals are adulterated by leftie (cultural studies) scholars and their teleology. In resume at C2 level you need to demonstrate you are able to write and speak like Royalty, Nobility, Clergy, Government Ministers, Doctoral Professors, Embassators and Foreign Representatives, High Hierarchy/Prestige Office Elected Officials, and notable writters from The Times, Oxford University Press and Cambridge University Press, as well as proofreaders and copy-writers in ultra high-stakes bussiness. Anyway you must not use technical jargon or words in obsolescence unless it is expressly adequate to the theme, and situational context proposed on each test section. Soft to Middle strenght Indian and commonwealth accents (non-UK) are tolerated but will get you a lower to middle A score tops. On CAE high-middle class American and International English will get you CEFR C1's C to B Scores, and Multicultural London English will get you a CEFR B2 score tops if you have luck and they realize your first language or your family's first language isn't english. General Received English Pronunciation/Style and Grammar is still ideal if you are aiming at a C2 or a High B C1 Grade through CAE. Which certification will be apropriate to you will depend on how much time you intend investing. A fine way of studying for C2 is getting your Cambridge Delta. I would recomend you study for CAE and CPE concomitantly, sit a CAE test first and then go for a Delta Degree if you score middle to top C1, or even enroll an English Literature Degree. Only after a C2 will be relevant unless you work in million-dollar stakes bussiness. C1 Bussiness will get you past most Bussiness Carrers and Undergraduate University Courses up to an MBA. CAE is the ideal for other areas of inquiry. FCE is the test if you don't want be an academic. With an B at CAE/C1 ou are able to work as text translator or interpreter on most Academic and Low Stakes settings as long as you have equivalent C2 skill at your own mother language (which most people also doesn't possess) and understand the Status Quaestionis of the intended discussed topics. MOST NATIVE SPEAKERS WILL NEVER EVER OPERATE IN A GENERAL/CONSERVATIVE RECEIVED ENGLISH LEVEL LET ALONE PASS A C2 EXAMINATION OR EVEN GET A C1 HIGH B SCORE on CAE. It's not even a matter of how much or long you study or practice english, but a matter of general and verbal fluid intelligence. You get a B at CAE as a native you are a language geek and you are on the top 20% general and verbal intelligence population stratum.

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

I'm sorry but this is not true. Please, do not share misinformation about the exams here.

[@LNVACVAC]

@@tothepointenglishwithben. It is not misinformation. Maybe as a native you see things otherwise.

[@LNVACVAC]

@@tothepointenglishwithben. The reality of these tests and what is openly discussed are whole different things.

[@LNVACVAC]

@@tothepointenglishwithben. "Born on the outskirts of London many moons ago, I grew up in a (quaint) village in Cambridgeshire, South East England… skip the boring details…. I moved to Madrid, Spain 20 years ago and having been teaching English ever since (I now live in Asturias)". Your reality isn't our reality. And your reality as british, a specialist an someone who lived abroad most of your life isn't American's reality, neither the reality of now multicultural and poor populations in the uk. Around the world most people who come from poor countries has english as third language and is gifted. 6% top percentile and meets Renzulli criteria.

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

@@LNVACVAC It's not about how I see things. You made some assertions in your message which simply aren't true: "informal, gentry and middle-class vernacular use of English will certainly not be tolerated." " at C2 level you need to demonstrate you are able to write and speak like Royalty, Nobility..." etc Where did you get this from??

[@fleurblanche7642]

I like your use of English I Your students may well copy you to succeed tgese exams

[@josejaimevidalrosales8660]

❤❤

[@ivancarrasco2128]

Is the C2 I get in the C1 exam as valuable as a C2 in the C2 exam, regardless of the grades? As in can I say I have a C2 even if I only did the C1 exam?

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

Yes, you can say you have a C2 level but you won't have a C2 certificate. It depends on the employer/university etc as to whether they are of equal value. Some specifically ask for the certificate.

[@parveshsharma3222]

Sir Could you please tell me Some sources for learning Rp accent?

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

I don't think you should force an accent. Just let it develop naturally. However, as you asked, this guy gives some good pronunciation tips: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5i4poKqnK2Xfbs

[@parveshsharma3222]

@@tothepointenglishwithben. Thank you so much Sir

[@jonasbisang2103]

You may never read this but I still try:) I just took the b2 first about two months ago and passed with grade B. I haven’t studied at all for this exam and didn’t even sleep five hours… Now I want to take the c1 advanced exam and thought about taking a bigger step and try the c2 right away (with studying obviously). What are your thoughts about my idea? Do you think I could pass?

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

Hi Jonas. You could possibly take the C1 in a year or so (with a lot of studying) but it's a huge jump from B2 First to C2 Proficiency. You would need to dedicate all your time to English and even then it would take at least a couple of years.

[@Agustin-km1dz]

How did you do?

[@Diego-lt4wm]

Fuck me, I have C2 writing and reading skills, but my listening and speaking skills are so bad I always end up in B2. It is so frustrating I am becoming crazy

[@thierrysuhner]

Hi Ben, I've passed the First Certificate in May 2017 with Grade A (182 pt.). Now I have half a year to prepare for either the CAE or CPE. Which one do you recommend me to study for? At first, I thought I'm going to try the CPE as I already accomplished a Level C1 certificate, but now I'm unsure whether the gap from FCE Grade A to CPE is too big, and I would need more time to prepare for it. For your info, I've tried the Sample CPE Online Test and scored about 80% in the Listening paper, and 70% in the Reading and Use of English paper but see my weakness mostly in complex vocabulary. Thanks in advance for your help!

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

Judging by your scores in the sample paper and the fact that you have a year and a half to prepare, you should go for the C2 proficiency. You have plenty of time to expand you vocabulary... I'd recommend you read a lot in English - many different types of text. Also, keep a "personal dictionary" of words, phrasal verbs and expressions.

[@thierrysuhner]

@@tothepointenglishwithben. Thank you for your quick response, but I think you might have misread my sentence, I only have half a year to prepare not one and a half. Do you still think I should prepare for the proficiency with this situation?

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

Ah, sorry! But... yes, I still think it's possible for you to pass the C2 Proficiency but it would obviously depend on how much time you can dedicate to your studies over the next 6 months.

[@thierrysuhner]

@@tothepointenglishwithben. Okay, I'm able to dedicate around 3-4 hours per week for preparation. Would that be enough for the proficiency in your opinion? And if not, how much time per week would I need to invest to reach the CPE?

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

If those 3-4 hours a week are on top of watching films, series, documentaries, listening to radio/podcasts and reading in English, it should be enough.

[@SotraEngine4]

This would surely be a fail But it would be fun to just show up and see how well I would do on the C2 thingy I do write fantasy in English and I do get feedback on it from native English speakers I even give feedback to them sometimes I listen to KZbin all day And it would be something to have a document that kinda proves my boasts that I am as good at English as I am at Norwegian

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

Go for it 👍

[@niconicorom]

hi! how did it go?

[@dehondvandeburen7800]

So basicly, if you have an strong accent but the native speaker hasn't any triuble understanding you it isn't a concern?

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

As long as you're pronunciation is good enough to be understood and doesn't cause misunderstanding or confusion, your accent isn't an issue

[@noaprendaisingles6861]

Is achieving a C1 easier on the CAE or on the CPE?

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

There's no difference

[@mohammadhchaharm4872]

Excuse me sir having a full mark (230) out of 230 is something very hard yes??

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

Yes.

[@annevacher7094]

Hello Ben, my name is Ann, I am from france and would like to be added to the C1 telegram group. If this is still possible ? This year I will be teaching Bachelor 3 students in the Design field. So, I would like to encourage them to try and pass this exam. If interested, they will probably request to be added to the group too.

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

Hi Ann. You can access the group by clicking on the link in the video description. 👍

[@IberianOtaku]

Hi, I took the CAE exam and I got 198 out of 210... 2 more and I would have had the CPE C2 level. I truly believe I would have had the C2 if I had taken that exam instead, do you think it's worth it?

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

Congratulations on passing the C1! Whether you now take the C2 is a decision only you can take. It depends on your personal situation and whether the qualification will be useful to you

[@GreeKurdChannelMilan]

I'm guessing I'm one of the third group who thought this was about LG Oled C1 vs Lg C2, I am in the wrong neighborhood, peace out!...🤣

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

😆

[@ramaSwamp]

When you said "sensitive vocabulary" I guess you meant "sensible".

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

No, I meant sensitive 👍

[@ramaSwamp]

@@tothepointenglishwithben. Words have no feelings. It's just like saying "that movie is bored", makes absolutely no sense.

[@LilKrobik]

Oh.. so for proficency, I just need to speak like an idiot? (obviously a joke, but the climate change example made me think this)

[@undyingsoul3949]

These exams test you on skills that have little to nothing to do with your language skills. Just like in the English exams in Germany. It's upsetting, because you get a mediocre grade in the subject of English engraved in your report for life if you're not that good at these specific additional non-language skills but virtually on the level of a native speaker.

[@alexisdelafoy9021]

I can’t send you a message on telegram could you please help me?

[@tothepointenglishwithben.]

That's strange. This is the link: @BenGillTTP